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<v Garry Stewart>Hello everyone. Welcome to our session on the art of nature.

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<v Garry Stewart>I'm Gary Stewart, the Artistic Director of Australian Dance Theatre.

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<v Garry Stewart>And we've just finished a season of The Beginning of Nature

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<v Garry Stewart>and I'm making a number of works over the next few years called The Nature Series

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<v Garry Stewart>and sort of interrogating different aspects of nature through my choreographic practice.

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<v Garry Stewart>And given that our dance festival is on concurrent with the Adelaide Festival of Ideas,

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<v Garry Stewart>and we thought it was kind of a great opportunity to assemble a number of artists

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<v Garry Stewart>to speak about their relationship with nature through their own work.

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<v Garry Stewart>So today we have the wonderful and esteemed Dr Lisa Slade, who's a curator and writer.

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<v Garry Stewart>She's currently the Acting Co-Director of the Art Gallery of South Australia

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<v Garry Stewart>and the Chair of ArtLink Magazine. So welcome, Lisa.

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<v Garry Stewart>Thank you, Gary.

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<v Garry Stewart>And then next, Victoria.

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<v Garry Stewart>Victoria Hunt. Victoria is an Australian Maori performance artist living on Gadigal land in Sydney.

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<v Garry Stewart>She works to reinstate the power of Indigenous creativity and knowledge into contemporary staging.

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<v Garry Stewart>And finally, on the end, we have Dr Julie Goff, a visual artist.

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<v Garry Stewart>So Dr Julie Goff is a Tasmanian Aboriginal artist, writer and curator of Indigenous cultures

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<v Garry Stewart>at the Tasmanian Museum and Art Gallery and continues her visual arts practice in Tasmania.

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<v Garry Stewart>So interesting that this Adelaide Festival of Ideas is titled with the question,

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<v Garry Stewart>Who's at the Wheel?

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<v Garry Stewart>And I was thinking of a quote by Kurt Vonnegut about artists being at the wheel.

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<v Garry Stewart>And this quote says,

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<v Garry Stewart>I sometimes wondered what the use of any of the arts was.

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<v Garry Stewart>The best thing I could come up with was what I call the canary in the coal mine theory of the arts.

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<v Garry Stewart>The theory says that artists,

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<v Garry Stewart>they're useful to society because they are so sensitive.

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<v Garry Stewart>They are super sensitive.

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<v Garry Stewart>They keel over like canaries in a poison coal mine,

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<v Garry Stewart>long before more robust types realise there is any danger whatsoever.

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<v Garry Stewart>Which I thought was a really wonderful quote.

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<v Garry Stewart>Lisa also chimed in and said that artists are like cockroaches

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<v Garry Stewart>because we hang in until the very end as well.

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<v Garry Stewart>And we're sort of there long before everyone else has disappeared.

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<v Garry Stewart>So, you know, controversially,

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<v Garry Stewart>we're in the...

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<v Garry Stewart>Anthropocene period.

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<v Garry Stewart>And which is...

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<v Garry Stewart>I don't think it's kind of like a textbook geological era.

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<v Garry Stewart>It's more sort of like a popular culture term.

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<v Garry Stewart>But it seems that we are in this point in history

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<v Garry Stewart>where the impacts of human action are creating mass extinctions

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<v Garry Stewart>of plant and animal species and pollution of the oceans

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<v Garry Stewart>and the altering of the atmosphere amongst other lasting impacts.

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<v Garry Stewart>So a lot of artisan now will have been...

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<v Garry Stewart>had practices focused on nature.

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<v Garry Stewart>But sort of, I think, increasingly,

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<v Garry Stewart>we're seeing more and more artists responding to nature.

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<v Garry Stewart>So first off, it's Lisa to talk about a number of artists

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<v Garry Stewart>and their relationship to nature and their work.

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<v Garry Stewart>Thank you, Lisa.

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<v Lisa Slade>Thanks, Gary.

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<v Lisa Slade>Hi, everyone.

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<v Lisa Slade>Thank you for joining us here today.

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<v Lisa Slade>I'd like to commence by acknowledging, of course,

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<v Lisa Slade>that we meet on Kaurna country and pay my respects,

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<v Lisa Slade>my deep respects to elders past, present,

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<v Lisa Slade>and the emerging elders.

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<v Lisa Slade>And to the elders of the future.

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<v Lisa Slade>It's a real delight to be here in such wonderful company.

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<v Lisa Slade>And I'm kind of going to speed through

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<v Lisa Slade>so that we can get to Victoria and Julie.

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<v Lisa Slade>Because like you, I feel as though I'm in the audience today.

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<v Lisa Slade>A very special thank you to Gary to comprising this panel,

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<v Lisa Slade>particularly in the midst of a festival.

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<v Lisa Slade>It's a very difficult thing to do when there's so much going on.

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<v Lisa Slade>So congratulations to ADT and to the team.

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<v Lisa Slade>I'd like to kick off by announcing that yesterday,

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<v Lisa Slade>and in fact today, somewhere in the world,

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<v Lisa Slade>it is international.

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<v Lisa Slade>International Non-Binary Day.

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<v Lisa Slade>Now, whilst Non-Binary Day in this context alludes to gender,

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<v Lisa Slade>I'd like it to be an invitation for us all to consider the non-binary

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<v Lisa Slade>with regards to the relationship between art and nature

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<v Lisa Slade>or the relationship between culture and nature.

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<v Lisa Slade>And that provides the kind of conceptual framework

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<v Lisa Slade>for the quick trot we're going to have to do now

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<v Lisa Slade>through a series of case studies.

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<v Lisa Slade>As Gary mentioned, I'm a curator, probably first and foremost,

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<v Lisa Slade>and a writer.

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<v Lisa Slade>So I'm going to just talk about a number of projects.

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<v Lisa Slade>Some of them are current,

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<v Lisa Slade>and some of them may be quite familiar to you.

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<v Lisa Slade>But I want to talk about them within this kind of crucible

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<v Lisa Slade>of thinking around these oppositions that we cling to

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<v Lisa Slade>and are so comfortable with in the West.

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<v Lisa Slade>And the first one I'd like to kick off with is an exhibition

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<v Lisa Slade>that opened just a week ago, the MCA in Sydney.

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<v Lisa Slade>And it's a co-developed exhibition between the Art Gallery of South Australia

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<v Lisa Slade>and the Museum of Contemporary Art in Sydney.

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<v Lisa Slade>And it positions the four,

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<v Lisa Slade>40-year career of Gunungu artist John Mawunjul

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<v Lisa Slade>at the heart of the exhibition.

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<v Lisa Slade>Now, what John Mawunjul's work does is blow apart

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<v Lisa Slade>all of the binaries that we've become so accustomed to.

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<v Lisa Slade>It positions the local.

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<v Lisa Slade>And when I mean local,

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<v Lisa Slade>John Mawunjul is one of only 200 Gunungu speakers.

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<v Lisa Slade>He, in fact, is from a part of the world

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<v Lisa Slade>that is argued to be the most linguistically diverse part of Australia

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<v Lisa Slade>and, in fact, part of the world itself.

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<v Lisa Slade>So he speaks...

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<v Lisa Slade>He speaks one language among many from this particular area.

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<v Lisa Slade>So he proves to us that the local can be international.

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<v Lisa Slade>He also underscores that tradition can be concurrent

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<v Lisa Slade>or confluent, if you like, with innovation,

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<v Lisa Slade>and that the ancient can be absolutely contemporary.

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<v Lisa Slade>Through the materials he uses, he, of course, also informs us

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<v Lisa Slade>that, indeed, nature can be culture.

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<v Lisa Slade>This particular image that you can see,

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<v Lisa Slade>which is actually on screen, two images here.

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<v Lisa Slade>One, the image on your left-hand side,

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<v Lisa Slade>is the artist himself, John Mawunjul,

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<v Lisa Slade>and he's holding manjilk.

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<v Lisa Slade>And manjilk is the sedge grass that grows prolifically

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<v Lisa Slade>on Gunungu country and through most of Arnhem Land.

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<v Lisa Slade>It's actually the brush that's used to make the extraordinary raak

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<v Lisa Slade>and the crosshatching that you know,

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<v Lisa Slade>that kind of vibrates with that incredible brilliance

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<v Lisa Slade>which is the saltwater crocodile,

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<v Lisa Slade>and that's a work from the Art Gallery of South Australia's collection from 1988.

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<v Lisa Slade>So he's demonstrating this ancient and contemporary technology,

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<v Lisa Slade>this local and global reality, using, of course,

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<v Lisa Slade>nature to become culture, nature to become art,

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<v Lisa Slade>I'd really encourage you to see this exhibition in Sydney if you can.

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<v Lisa Slade>Of course, if you can't, it will be here in Adelaide in October.

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<v Lisa Slade>Now, the first artist, when I was invited to be part of this panel,

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<v Lisa Slade>the artist who did spring to mind immediately

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<v Lisa Slade>was the inimitable Fiona Hall.

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<v Lisa Slade>She needs very little introduction.

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<v Lisa Slade>She's recently moved from our fair city

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<v Lisa Slade>and she now lives in Julie's Fair City in Hobart, as it happens.

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<v Lisa Slade>Fiona once said to me,

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<v Lisa Slade>and it was that quote that did spring to mind

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<v Lisa Slade>On screen is the artist herself,

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<v Lisa Slade>but also one of her works that began here in Adelaide in 1990

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<v Lisa Slade>with the first Adelaide Biennial of Australian art,

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<v Lisa Slade>and it's a work from the Paradisus Terrestris series.

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<v Lisa Slade>She takes the human and natural world

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<v Lisa Slade>and the anatomy and creates a statement of equivalence

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<v Lisa Slade>between botany, between the natural world and the human body.

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<v Lisa Slade>The resonances here are even deeper than they appear.

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<v Lisa Slade>Of course, there is a visual semblance

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<v Lisa Slade>between the lotus form and the human navel,

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<v Lisa Slade>The lotus form, as many of you would be aware,

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<v Lisa Slade>has a real polyvalence cross-culturally

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<v Lisa Slade>and is a very important symbol cross-culturally.

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<v Lisa Slade>The navel is sprouted...sprouts from the dirt

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<v Lisa Slade>Sorry, the lotus, I mean, sprouts from the dirt,

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<v Lisa Slade>but is the ultimate kind of symbol of purity.

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<v Lisa Slade>So you've got this wonderful polyvalence

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<v Lisa Slade>or many levels happening in this work

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<v Lisa Slade>between nature and culture, between nature and art.

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<v Lisa Slade>The lotus is played out here, and we are back in Adelaide.

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<v Lisa Slade>This is, of course,

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<v Lisa Slade>the Botanic Gardens, and this is a body of work

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<v Lisa Slade>that was produced very recently for Erica Green's 2018 Adelaide Biennial.

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<v Lisa Slade>This work is a ricochet back to pre-Raphaelite imagery,

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<v Lisa Slade>It was Ruskin who, mid-19th century,

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<v Lisa Slade>believed that art could rarely compete with nature

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<v Lisa Slade>and urged artists to emulate nature in all of their forms.

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<v Lisa Slade>Tamara Dean, 200 years on,

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<v Lisa Slade>creates an allusion to that very reality

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<v Lisa Slade>working very closely with the dancers from ADT.

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<v Lisa Slade>Tamara produced a body of photographs

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<v Lisa Slade>which were shown at the incredible Museum of Economic Botany,

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<v Lisa Slade>which enabled a kind of meeting in the middle of art and nature

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<v Lisa Slade>for this series, which is called In Our Nature.

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<v Lisa Slade>This painting is on view if you come down to the gallery any time soon.

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<v Lisa Slade>It's called Kangurukanguruku,

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<v Lisa Slade>which in Pinjarra translates as A Sister's Story.

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<v Lisa Slade>And this painting, to me,

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<v Lisa Slade>is an extraordinary reminder of the custodial responsibilities

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<v Lisa Slade>when it comes to nature, when it comes to country.

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<v Lisa Slade>Now, we've got the five Ken sisters here, Anangal sisters,

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<v Lisa Slade>painting for the very first time with their mother, Panini Mick,

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<v Lisa Slade>who's pictured on the right-hand side,

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<v Lisa Slade>to create these incredible renderings

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<v Lisa Slade>of two very important,

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<v Lisa Slade>dreamy stories.

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<v Lisa Slade>One of them is the Kungurankupa, which is the Seven Sisters.

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<v Lisa Slade>And if we had time, we could look at the Seven Sisters in great detail,

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<v Lisa Slade>because that story in itself underscores the confluence of art and nature

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<v Lisa Slade>as they spring from the celestial down to the terrestrial

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<v Lisa Slade>and every space in between.

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<v Lisa Slade>So this painting, this triptych, really kind of underscores

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<v Lisa Slade>how very deeply held those entwined relationships are for Anangal

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<v Lisa Slade>And very finally, what does it mean then?

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<v Lisa Slade>You know, what does it mean to play between the space of art and nature

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<v Lisa Slade>if you're an artist who, like Rico Reni, has been removed from his family history

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<v Lisa Slade>or has been...

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<v Lisa Slade>It has been in some ways kind of repurposed,

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<v Lisa Slade>What Rico Reni does in this work,

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<v Lisa Slade>and he chooses a car made in the year he was born,

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<v Lisa Slade>it's a Rolls Royce Rico Reni RR,

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<v Lisa Slade>and he drives that Rolls Royce painted with this incredible camouflage

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<v Lisa Slade>performatively back on his own country,

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<v Lisa Slade>Ongamilaroi country,

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<v Lisa Slade>a country that's known for Bora rings

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<v Lisa Slade>and as a male initiation ceremony site.

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<v Lisa Slade>So here he creates his own revisiting or repatriation of that ceremony.

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<v Lisa Slade>Thank you.

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<v Garry Stewart>Wonderful. Thank you, Lisa.

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<v Lisa Slade>Thank you.

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<v Garry Stewart>Brilliant in eight minutes.

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<v Garry Stewart>And next we have Victoria Hunt,

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<v Garry Stewart>choreographer and performance artist from Sydney.

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<v Garry Stewart>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Please be gentle with that one-minute call.

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<v Speaker 3>I was born in the land of the Yugambeh people.

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<v Speaker 3>That's at the Gold Coast in Queensland.

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<v Speaker 3>I was raised in the land of the Turrbal and Jagera nations,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was born in Brisbane.

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<v Speaker 3>And as you said, I'm living in Gadigal,

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<v Speaker 3>on the land of the Gadigal people in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'd also like to acknowledge the traditional custodians,

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<v Speaker 3>the Kaurna people,

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<v Speaker 3>and pay my respects to their elders past, present,

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<v Speaker 3>and yet to be born.

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<v Speaker 3>I acknowledge your mountains and your lakes and your rivers

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<v Speaker 3>and your lands and your languages, your culture,

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<v Speaker 3>your relationships and your commitment to communities,

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<v Speaker 3>and also to your activisms.

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<v Speaker 3>I acknowledge that we are gathered here on unceded land,

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<v Speaker 3>always was, always will be.

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<v Speaker 3>And I acknowledge myself as a settler on these lands,

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<v Speaker 3>or in my mother's tongue, we call it maruhiri,

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<v Speaker 3>which means guest.

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<v Speaker 3>And as a guest on the whenua, the whenua is the land,

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<v Speaker 3>but the whenua is also the placenta.

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<v Speaker 3>So tangata, meaning the people, we bring those two concepts together,

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<v Speaker 3>tangata whenua, the people of the land.

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<v Speaker 3>So I extend my respects to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people

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<v Speaker 3>who are here today, and to all of you,

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<v Speaker 3>and all of the places and ancestors and languages

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<v Speaker 3>that you have brought to this gathering.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm very humbled to be sharing this platform with you all.

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<v Speaker 3>And so tena koutou katoa.

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<v Speaker 3>So I've always wanted to understand the world as an artist.

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<v Speaker 3>My body is the site of my art.

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<v Speaker 3>How do I, as a dancer ancestor, embody the transitional spaces

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<v Speaker 3>of an ancestral meeting house, hinemihi?

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<v Speaker 3>How do I, through a performative language based on Maori cosmology,

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<v Speaker 3>body weather and personal practice, dance the house?

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<v Speaker 3>Body weather is a synthesis of eastern and western dance

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<v Speaker 3>and theatre practices and thought, and it originated in Japan with Mintonaka,

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<v Speaker 3>and it considers the body as an environment within a greater environment

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<v Speaker 3>that is constantly changing and infringing.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm very humbled to be sharing this platform with you all.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm very humbled to be sharing this platform with you all.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm very humbled to be sharing this platform with you all.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm going to start with a story about Hinemihi.

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<v Speaker 3>So there are multiple ways to tell the story of Hinemihi.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a story of origins, a story of traumatic events,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's a story of colonial violence.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm just going to start with her materialist history.

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<v Speaker 3>Hinemihi is a female ancestor, a meeting house, a marae,

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<v Speaker 3>and a ceremonial space where people gather

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<v Speaker 3>for the important rituals in life.

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<v Speaker 3>It's where the core business is relationships,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's where the living ritually engage with the dead,

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<v Speaker 3>who in turn guide the living.

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<v Speaker 3>Her carvings are imbued with complex Maori concepts

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<v Speaker 3>of creation and cosmology,

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<v Speaker 3>and the deeper feelings that connect Maori with their marae remain intangible.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a place of belonging, a standing place,

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<v Speaker 3>expressing a deeply spiritual relationship

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<v Speaker 3>in which one identifies as tangata whenua.

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<v Speaker 3>On the north island of New Zealand,

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<v Speaker 3>just outside Rotorua on Te Arawa land,

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<v Speaker 3>is our sacred mountain, Tarawira.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a photo I took not so long ago.

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<v Speaker 3>In 1886, Tarawira erupted and wiped out the pink and white terraces,

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<v Speaker 3>which were the eighth wonder of the world at the time,

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<v Speaker 3>and entire sub-tribes vanished under ash and mud.

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<v Speaker 3>Hinemihi was one of the only buildings not to collapse,

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<v Speaker 3>and the 60 people who took shelter inside Hinemihi

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<v Speaker 3>were the survivors of that fateful night.

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<v Speaker 3>So I owe my life to Hinemihi for her protection.

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<v Speaker 3>My great-great-uncle, he carved the Hinemihi,

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<v Speaker 3>and my great-great-grandfather-in-chief,

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<v Speaker 3>he commissioned the building of Hinemihi on behalf of the people.

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<v Speaker 3>The sacred burial grounds within the mountain

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<v Speaker 3>were scattered during the eruption,

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<v Speaker 3>which turned the land into a mass grave, into a urupa,

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<v Speaker 3>so no Maori could live there.

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<v Speaker 3>To non-Maori people, leaving the land was interpreted as abandonment,

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<v Speaker 3>and the land was acquired by the New Zealand government

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<v Speaker 3>and subsequent settlers, and has not been returned since.

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<v Speaker 3>Three years after the eruption,

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<v Speaker 3>Governor-General of New Zealand, Lord Onslow,

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<v Speaker 3>he acquired or bought Hinemihi for 50 pounds

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<v Speaker 3>from a decimated tribe who had lost their land and heart

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<v Speaker 3>for the moment to the eruption.

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<v Speaker 3>So Hinemihi now sits in the grounds of an English mansion in Surrey Hills.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's a whole other story.

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<v Speaker 3>The removal of Hinemihi,

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<v Speaker 3>from her place of origin,

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<v Speaker 3>her dislocation and alienation,

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<v Speaker 3>is experienced as an ongoing act of colonial violence.

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<v Speaker 3>She's been used as a boathouse, goat house, cubby house, nightclub,

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<v Speaker 3>and a backdrop for weddings.

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<v Speaker 3>All this perpetuates a state of pain and shame

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<v Speaker 3>which can only be healed when Hinemihi is returned to her homeland.

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<v Speaker 3>The intergenerational nature of this pain and shame

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<v Speaker 3>cannot be underestimated as it is ongoing,

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<v Speaker 3>and pain is not the same as loss.

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<v Speaker 3>I visited Hinemihi in 2008,

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<v Speaker 3>2007, 2010, and again in 2013,

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<v Speaker 3>and I have produced a suite of works since then

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<v Speaker 3>about Hinemihi and stolen artefacts.

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<v Speaker 3>But I just want to touch on three projects.

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<v Speaker 3>This work is called Day of Invigilation.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a directional gallery performance.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in a plinth for one to three hours.

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<v Speaker 3>I keep my eyes open for the entire time.

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<v Speaker 3>My body is covered in a thin layer of Rotorua mud from my homeland,

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<v Speaker 3>and the eyes go through a stage of welling up with tears,

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<v Speaker 3>and then crying, and then welling up, and drying, and welling up.

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<v Speaker 3>So over the time, there's groove of...

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<v Speaker 3>It comes through the mud and leaves a puddle at the base of the plinth.

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<v Speaker 3>So this work looks critically at Western ways of knowing

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<v Speaker 3>that approach subject-object positions very differently to how I feel

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<v Speaker 3>and what I know from an Indigenous Māori perspective.

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<v Speaker 3>The work raises questions about ethnography, objectification,

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<v Speaker 3>and the guardianship of culture.

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<v Speaker 3>By performing both the observer and the observed,

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<v Speaker 3>the invigilator and the invigilated,

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<v Speaker 3>this work implicates the audience into the colonial gaze.

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<v Speaker 3>It is an intervention into colonial museums and gallery spaces.

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<v Speaker 3>This draws attention to the debilitating mechanisms

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<v Speaker 3>which maintain cultural artefacts as commodities.

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<v Speaker 3>Copper Promises.

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<v Speaker 3>My practice is bound up in relationships and accountabilities,

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<v Speaker 3>and these relationships take time.

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<v Speaker 3>So Copper Promises was my first major dance solo,

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<v Speaker 3>and it took 10 years before I was ready to perform this work.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is my auntie, Roses.

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<v Speaker 3>A key question in this work is how do I dance the history of the house?

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<v Speaker 3>And I was guided by Minnie to gradually understand my role

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<v Speaker 3>as a kaitiaki, or custodian.

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<v Speaker 3>I am the house, and the house is me.

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<v Speaker 3>I dance the history of the house, and she reveals my history.

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<v Speaker 3>This dance allowed me to perform my cosmology in whakapapa

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<v Speaker 3>and make it comprehensive to a non-Māori audience.

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<v Speaker 3>So Tangi Wai is the last work I want to speak about briefly here.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a large-scale ensemble work which merges installation, theatre and dance,

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<v Speaker 3>and it embodies female authority, ceremony and protest.

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<v Speaker 3>And it also works to reinstate, as I was introduced,

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<v Speaker 3>the Indigenous knowledge and creativity, but into contemporary staging.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is Hinemihi's carved door lintel.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the door lintel on Hinemihi.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's currently in Paris under an auction for two million.

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<v Speaker 3>I found out that online.

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<v Speaker 3>I was disgusted to know that Lord Onslow had gifted my grandmother's pelvis

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<v Speaker 3>to his friend HG Robley, and this is a trigger warning.

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<v Speaker 3>So he was very instrumental in trading shrunken heads

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<v Speaker 3>And that's probably enough for that one.

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<v Speaker 3>So the deeper purpose of the work began as an honouring of Hinemihi's carved door lintel,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was also an entering into knowledge that is specific

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just finish.

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<v Speaker 3>Tangi. Tangi wai this water.

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<v Speaker 3>Tangi is tears. It's the tears when you're happy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's also the tears, for instance, if you see a friend that you haven't seen for a long time

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<v Speaker 3>and you start to cry because you can't work out what happened in my life

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<v Speaker 3>to create a disconnect.

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<v Speaker 3>Why haven't we seen each other for so long?

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<v Speaker 3>Tangi hanga is the tears when you're farewelling the dead at a funeral.

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<v Speaker 3>Wai is spirit.

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<v Speaker 3>It's short for wairua, which is the meeting of the two waters.

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<v Speaker 3>Form and spirit.

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<v Speaker 3>And waiata is to sing.

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<v Speaker 3>So just finishing, I've been invited to talk on this panel about art and nature.

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<v Speaker 3>We are all indigenous to the earth, but it's important to know where you come from,

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<v Speaker 3>who you come from, what lands you come from,

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<v Speaker 3>because we all have a responsibility to the future generations.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'd like to end with a provocation.

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<v Speaker 3>Whose Anthropocene are we talking about here?

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<v Garry Stewart>Brilliant. Thank you, Victoria.

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<v Garry Stewart>And now we have Dr Julie Goff. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd firstly like to thank you, Victoria,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'd like to pay my respects to the Kaurna people whose land

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<v Speaker 4>I'm very privileged to be visiting.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm also very grateful to be part of this panel,

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<v Speaker 4>and thanks for all of you coming today.

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<v Speaker 4>The slides are automatic, so I'll try this as a new technique

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<v Speaker 4>to work my way through different means and motivations for making work

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<v Speaker 4>that kind of interconnect with the term nature, which brought me here.

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<v Speaker 4>However, I'm going to start by speaking oppositionally,

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<v Speaker 4>again, in the way that binaries are not helpful,

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<v Speaker 4>that Lisa raised first.

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<v Speaker 4>So these works are from and of country.

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<v Speaker 4>They're materially from often the plants, the animals, the furs,

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<v Speaker 4>the shells, the cuttlefish, the stones.

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<v Speaker 4>And I see us, our people, and I'm Trawalway from northeast Tasmania.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm my mum's family.

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<v Speaker 4>We are of Tebrakoona.

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<v Speaker 4>My dad's a Scottish immigrant,

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<v Speaker 4>and I have also ancestry from people transported

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<v Speaker 4>for various misdemeanours to what was called Van Diemen's Land.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really rapid, but anyway.

426
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<v Speaker 4>The works that I have created since the early 90s

427
00:21:57.180 --> 00:22:01.040
<v Speaker 4>have been about explaining or communicating

428
00:22:01.040 --> 00:22:03.920
<v Speaker 4>through my own journey of understanding myself

429
00:22:03.920 --> 00:22:08.720
<v Speaker 4>what has happened in Tasmania, particularly from the early 1800s,

430
00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:11.760
<v Speaker 4>the colonial period by which our people were displaced,

431
00:22:11.760 --> 00:22:14.080
<v Speaker 4>our ancestors were moved to museums,

432
00:22:14.260 --> 00:22:16.700
<v Speaker 4>and our cultural objects exiled.

433
00:22:16.900 --> 00:22:20.840
<v Speaker 4>So all of the work is about reconnecting things

434
00:22:20.840 --> 00:22:22.020
<v Speaker 4>that should not be separated.

435
00:22:22.580 --> 00:22:26.580
<v Speaker 4>And so binaries such as nature, culture,

436
00:22:26.640 --> 00:22:30.520
<v Speaker 4>and terms such as wilderness versus country

437
00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:34.700
<v Speaker 4>are kind of useful at this time for us

438
00:22:34.700 --> 00:22:38.140
<v Speaker 4>to realise how detrimental and damaging they've been

439
00:22:38.140 --> 00:22:41.300
<v Speaker 4>for, in particular, Indigenous peoples, but all of us.

440
00:22:41.760 --> 00:22:44.240
<v Speaker 4>In working through together at this time,

441
00:22:44.280 --> 00:22:47.020
<v Speaker 4>while we can communicate in platforms like this,

442
00:22:47.760 --> 00:22:52.680
<v Speaker 4>how to heal the devastation of colonisation globally

443
00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:53.900
<v Speaker 4>to Indigenous peoples,

444
00:22:54.020 --> 00:22:58.760
<v Speaker 4>but how we have all inherited a very damaged earth.

445
00:22:59.120 --> 00:23:00.340
<v Speaker 4>So this...

446
00:23:00.340 --> 00:23:03.080
<v Speaker 4>It sounds holistic, and it probably is.

447
00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:04.620
<v Speaker 4>That's what I'm working through,

448
00:23:04.700 --> 00:23:08.780
<v Speaker 4>is trying to, like I said, express and explore

449
00:23:10.020 --> 00:23:10.740
<v Speaker 4>that...

450
00:23:10.740 --> 00:23:12.560
<v Speaker 4>..that what appears like dissipation

451
00:23:12.560 --> 00:23:15.440
<v Speaker 4>and almost has felt interminable or unfixable,

452
00:23:15.500 --> 00:23:18.840
<v Speaker 4>the amount of damage that our people have,

453
00:23:19.060 --> 00:23:20.800
<v Speaker 4>particularly Tasmanian Aboriginal people,

454
00:23:20.860 --> 00:23:24.420
<v Speaker 4>I'm looking at through my own eyes and family experience,

455
00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:27.720
<v Speaker 4>to how can we come back to country

456
00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:29.220
<v Speaker 4>and heal it and ourselves.

457
00:23:29.360 --> 00:23:32.940
<v Speaker 4>So it's all a process for me of reuniting

458
00:23:32.940 --> 00:23:35.520
<v Speaker 4>and working this difficult history,

459
00:23:35.620 --> 00:23:39.660
<v Speaker 4>which is in our bodies, in those that move to, for example, Tasmania,

460
00:23:40.740 --> 00:23:45.060
<v Speaker 4>and have that same, I feel, experience of extreme displacement.

461
00:23:45.280 --> 00:23:48.200
<v Speaker 4>And it's a destabilising place

462
00:23:48.740 --> 00:23:50.140
<v Speaker 4>where many histories have been...

463
00:23:52.600 --> 00:23:53.120
<v Speaker 4>..erased,

464
00:23:53.280 --> 00:23:56.660
<v Speaker 4>and that does include the colonial convict story as well.

465
00:23:56.820 --> 00:23:58.040
<v Speaker 4>So it's hard to know what...

466
00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:00.740
<v Speaker 4>..what is happening when you're there.

467
00:24:00.840 --> 00:24:02.220
<v Speaker 4>Like, what are you feeling?

468
00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:05.900
<v Speaker 4>Is it, you know, death and...

469
00:24:07.060 --> 00:24:10.720
<v Speaker 4>..and damage to people sent against us?

470
00:24:10.740 --> 00:24:11.580
<v Speaker 4>And, of course, there will be damage to people

471
00:24:11.580 --> 00:24:17.300
<v Speaker 4>or to 45,000 years of Aboriginal generations of families.

472
00:24:17.800 --> 00:24:21.580
<v Speaker 4>So the difficult history, how to broach it

473
00:24:21.580 --> 00:24:26.360
<v Speaker 4>and how to show through, hopefully, the nature of my work

474
00:24:26.360 --> 00:24:29.880
<v Speaker 4>and bringing together shells or timbers

475
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:36.380
<v Speaker 4>to, I suppose, share where we have come from in this instance.

476
00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:38.700
<v Speaker 4>Our ancestors are island-wide.

477
00:24:40.740 --> 00:24:41.920
<v Speaker 4>Many parts of the island.

478
00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:43.660
<v Speaker 4>And this...

479
00:24:43.660 --> 00:24:46.200
<v Speaker 4>And, again, this notion of wilderness or nature

480
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:48.780
<v Speaker 4>has done us no service or favour

481
00:24:48.780 --> 00:24:53.340
<v Speaker 4>in implying that much of the place was not inhabited.

482
00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:54.600
<v Speaker 4>Or...

483
00:24:55.700 --> 00:24:58.380
<v Speaker 4>In terms of the Greens movement,

484
00:24:59.940 --> 00:25:03.200
<v Speaker 4>in understanding that to protect a place

485
00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:05.280
<v Speaker 4>doesn't mean you must erase its human history.

486
00:25:05.560 --> 00:25:09.680
<v Speaker 4>And so it's been a very interesting 20 years together,

487
00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:13.080
<v Speaker 4>working with other communities in Tasmania,

488
00:25:13.300 --> 00:25:14.480
<v Speaker 4>with Aboriginal community,

489
00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:17.340
<v Speaker 4>working with other, such as the Greens movement,

490
00:25:17.560 --> 00:25:21.400
<v Speaker 4>in determining that we must include, be inclusive

491
00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:23.640
<v Speaker 4>and understand Aboriginal people,

492
00:25:24.540 --> 00:25:26.600
<v Speaker 4>continue to occupy and care for,

493
00:25:26.800 --> 00:25:29.820
<v Speaker 4>and in returning to so much of the country

494
00:25:29.820 --> 00:25:34.680
<v Speaker 4>that's seen as remote or World Heritage on some levels.

495
00:25:34.820 --> 00:25:36.280
<v Speaker 4>The terminology hasn't been helpful.

496
00:25:37.460 --> 00:25:39.080
<v Speaker 4>These works now showing

497
00:25:39.080 --> 00:25:41.840
<v Speaker 4>are about this idea of how to reinstate

498
00:25:41.840 --> 00:25:44.560
<v Speaker 4>or repatriate objects so far from home.

499
00:25:44.800 --> 00:25:48.120
<v Speaker 4>And, for me, our objects are us and inseparable.

500
00:25:48.360 --> 00:25:50.160
<v Speaker 4>And so each one of these stone tools

501
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:53.160
<v Speaker 4>that are in Cambridge University Museum in England

502
00:25:54.060 --> 00:25:55.520
<v Speaker 4>are parts of us.

503
00:25:55.580 --> 00:25:56.620
<v Speaker 4>They're our lost ground.

504
00:25:56.900 --> 00:25:58.900
<v Speaker 4>And while so much of it is displaced,

505
00:26:00.560 --> 00:26:01.600
<v Speaker 4>it's very...

506
00:26:01.600 --> 00:26:04.080
<v Speaker 4>It's more than the country that's fragmented.

507
00:26:04.160 --> 00:26:07.700
<v Speaker 4>It's an understanding of how we lived once

508
00:26:07.700 --> 00:26:09.380
<v Speaker 4>and being able to revisit

509
00:26:09.380 --> 00:26:11.260
<v Speaker 4>and feel that we've tended to it properly.

510
00:26:11.540 --> 00:26:14.980
<v Speaker 4>So this became a virtual repatriation of the photographs

511
00:26:14.980 --> 00:26:17.480
<v Speaker 4>where I couldn't return the actual objects.

512
00:26:18.160 --> 00:26:21.180
<v Speaker 4>And other stone tools have been...

513
00:26:21.180 --> 00:26:24.600
<v Speaker 4>I've painted them and worked with film footage

514
00:26:24.600 --> 00:26:28.740
<v Speaker 4>in attempting to bring attention to,

515
00:26:28.800 --> 00:26:30.700
<v Speaker 4>towards the eventual, I hope,

516
00:26:31.460 --> 00:26:35.620
<v Speaker 4>actual repatriation of so many of our cultural objects held elsewhere.

517
00:26:35.980 --> 00:26:37.680
<v Speaker 4>So, yeah, I think that I've...

518
00:26:37.700 --> 00:26:43.080
<v Speaker 4>I see myself as more activist or undercover agent than artist.

519
00:26:43.320 --> 00:26:46.360
<v Speaker 4>But being such a benign term, it's useful.

520
00:26:46.520 --> 00:26:50.200
<v Speaker 4>Artists are allowed into places where activists aren't.

521
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:53.300
<v Speaker 4>You know, so that's quite helpful.

522
00:26:53.420 --> 00:26:58.360
<v Speaker 4>But I find it's taking on a term that doesn't really fit, really,

523
00:26:58.500 --> 00:27:00.560
<v Speaker 4>how I see myself necessarily as artist

524
00:27:00.560 --> 00:27:06.160
<v Speaker 4>or, you know, places as environment or wilderness or the word nature.

525
00:27:06.260 --> 00:27:07.400
<v Speaker 4>All of this is...

526
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:08.620
<v Speaker 4>is just a way to...

527
00:27:08.620 --> 00:27:11.260
<v Speaker 4>If we sit and discuss through these terms,

528
00:27:11.360 --> 00:27:13.660
<v Speaker 4>we can make some change together.

529
00:27:14.020 --> 00:27:16.780
<v Speaker 4>This is about trying to find locations

530
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:19.580
<v Speaker 4>that are so overgrown and uncared for.

531
00:27:19.700 --> 00:27:21.180
<v Speaker 4>It's been quite a journey,

532
00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:24.400
<v Speaker 4>with family members more and more involved in...

533
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:26.620
<v Speaker 4>I suppose we're documenting something.

534
00:27:26.860 --> 00:27:28.680
<v Speaker 4>And again, maybe pretending it's art,

535
00:27:28.760 --> 00:27:32.780
<v Speaker 4>but solving a missing person case.

536
00:27:33.060 --> 00:27:36.580
<v Speaker 4>But it's for art purposes, perhaps.

537
00:27:36.660 --> 00:27:37.160
<v Speaker 4>But...

538
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:39.540
<v Speaker 4>Otherwise, I see this as a responsibility.

539
00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:43.840
<v Speaker 4>And we can get a bigger audience sometimes through an art gallery

540
00:27:43.840 --> 00:27:45.920
<v Speaker 4>than by other means.

541
00:27:46.320 --> 00:27:50.000
<v Speaker 4>I share what I find in the archives on various websites and blogs

542
00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:52.760
<v Speaker 4>because often people don't have the means

543
00:27:53.740 --> 00:27:56.780
<v Speaker 4>to access microfilm or original documents

544
00:27:56.780 --> 00:27:59.320
<v Speaker 4>and find out what happened in the first 50 years

545
00:27:59.320 --> 00:28:01.460
<v Speaker 4>of post-colonisation in Tasmania.

546
00:28:02.020 --> 00:28:02.580
<v Speaker 4>So...

547
00:28:03.500 --> 00:28:05.560
<v Speaker 4>This is, yeah, the problematic legacy.

548
00:28:05.900 --> 00:28:06.680
<v Speaker 4>I have these notes.

549
00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:07.960
<v Speaker 4>But the...

550
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.880
<v Speaker 4>And how to overturn that by partly running with it.

551
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:14.420
<v Speaker 4>How to communicate also with our visitors,

552
00:28:14.500 --> 00:28:15.440
<v Speaker 4>not just our locals,

553
00:28:15.520 --> 00:28:18.780
<v Speaker 4>because tourism is apparently what's going to rescue Tasmania.

554
00:28:20.080 --> 00:28:23.120
<v Speaker 4>And equally problematic is...

555
00:28:23.120 --> 00:28:24.820
<v Speaker 4>Oh, that's my eight minutes.

556
00:28:25.020 --> 00:28:28.260
<v Speaker 4>The last image which you had for 18 seconds was...

557
00:28:28.260 --> 00:28:31.060
<v Speaker 4>I think I will close on that, which was us holding fire.

558
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:35.880
<v Speaker 4>And our community today are more and more equipped in many ways

559
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:38.220
<v Speaker 4>to work through our trauma.

560
00:28:38.300 --> 00:28:42.160
<v Speaker 4>And we are working with various bodies,

561
00:28:42.280 --> 00:28:44.000
<v Speaker 4>such as the Indigenous Land Corporation,

562
00:28:44.320 --> 00:28:45.620
<v Speaker 4>the Tasmanian Land Conservancy,

563
00:28:45.760 --> 00:28:47.900
<v Speaker 4>and sometimes government,

564
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:49.920
<v Speaker 4>but mainly with each other, Aboriginal communities,

565
00:28:50.100 --> 00:28:53.660
<v Speaker 4>in carrying fire together and welcoming people with fire.

566
00:28:53.820 --> 00:28:57.000
<v Speaker 4>And that is where I believe, if you want to use the word nature,

567
00:28:57.080 --> 00:28:58.640
<v Speaker 4>that is where I feel it's...

568
00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:03.180
<v Speaker 4>We are really reigniting through what is ceremony

569
00:29:03.180 --> 00:29:05.860
<v Speaker 4>in a contemporary sense to welcome our people.

570
00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:06.080
<v Speaker 4>And that is where I feel that we are working with ourselves

571
00:29:06.080 --> 00:29:08.300
<v Speaker 4>and others to a special space to share.

572
00:29:08.560 --> 00:29:09.020
<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

573
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:10.240
<v Garry Stewart>Okay, fantastic.

574
00:29:10.820 --> 00:29:11.620
<v Garry Stewart>And now Gary Stewart.

575
00:29:11.800 --> 00:29:13.220
<v Garry Stewart>And now Gary Stewart, yes.

576
00:29:15.660 --> 00:29:18.100
<v Garry Stewart>Well, I guess my practice as a choreographer

577
00:29:18.100 --> 00:29:20.480
<v Garry Stewart>has primarily been through Australian dance theatre.

578
00:29:20.660 --> 00:29:24.200
<v Garry Stewart>And in 2006, I'll show you a little bit of video in a moment,

579
00:29:24.280 --> 00:29:25.660
<v Garry Stewart>I made a work called Devolution,

580
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:28.540
<v Garry Stewart>which was kind of quite an epic and monumental work.

581
00:29:29.380 --> 00:29:32.980
<v Garry Stewart>I was collaborating with a roboticist,

582
00:29:33.060 --> 00:29:34.440
<v Garry Stewart>a French-Canadian roboticist,

583
00:29:35.940 --> 00:29:36.640
<v Garry Stewart>who was a very good dancer.

584
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:41.980
<v Garry Stewart>Devolution was the notion of colliding together two ecosystems...

585
00:29:41.980 --> 00:29:46.240
<v Garry Stewart>..or two bodily systems and corporeal systems

586
00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:47.420
<v Garry Stewart>into one ecosystem.

587
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:51.080
<v Garry Stewart>And that was the corporeal system of these machinic robots

588
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:53.780
<v Garry Stewart>that provided the kind of mise-en-scene,

589
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:56.600
<v Garry Stewart>and there were also robotic prosthetics

590
00:29:56.600 --> 00:29:59.020
<v Garry Stewart>attached to the bodies of the dancers.

591
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:03.320
<v Garry Stewart>And then bringing them together into one ecosystem

592
00:30:03.320 --> 00:30:06.520
<v Garry Stewart>through a choreographic assemblage.

593
00:30:06.820 --> 00:30:10.800
<v Garry Stewart>And I guess in that sense, that work,

594
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:13.440
<v Garry Stewart>and also my most recent work, The Beginning of Nature,

595
00:30:13.660 --> 00:30:18.760
<v Garry Stewart>were more so about bringing the human body

596
00:30:18.760 --> 00:30:24.300
<v Garry Stewart>into the materials and fabric and conceptual framing of nature.

597
00:30:24.620 --> 00:30:28.400
<v Garry Stewart>And the conceptual framing of nature in itself is tricky

598
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:33.300
<v Garry Stewart>because our idea of nature in the West is very complex.

599
00:30:33.300 --> 00:30:36.380
<v Garry Stewart>It's been reinforced through Romanticism.

600
00:30:36.520 --> 00:30:42.580
<v Garry Stewart>And we objectify nature as something outside of human existence.

601
00:30:42.780 --> 00:30:45.140
<v Garry Stewart>And it's something, through objectification,

602
00:30:45.260 --> 00:30:48.020
<v Garry Stewart>that we can misuse and abuse

603
00:30:48.020 --> 00:30:52.860
<v Garry Stewart>and we can see in our current state where that has landed us.

604
00:30:53.320 --> 00:30:56.680
<v Garry Stewart>So I think my most recent work, The Beginning of Nature,

605
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.560
<v Garry Stewart>is very much about bringing the human body and human consciousness

606
00:31:00.560 --> 00:31:03.280
<v Garry Stewart>and being into the material.

607
00:31:03.300 --> 00:31:03.320
<v Garry Stewart>And I think that's the most important thing

608
00:31:03.320 --> 00:31:05.100
<v Garry Stewart>in terms of the rhythms and processes of nature.

609
00:31:05.600 --> 00:31:06.920
<v Garry Stewart>The Beginning of Nature,

610
00:31:07.700 --> 00:31:10.820
<v Garry Stewart>we first presented that at WOMAT as a 50-minute version

611
00:31:10.820 --> 00:31:12.300
<v Garry Stewart>and then later developed it.

612
00:31:12.580 --> 00:31:15.300
<v Garry Stewart>And then we've toured it to Columbia and Amsterdam

613
00:31:15.300 --> 00:31:17.040
<v Garry Stewart>and now most recently here.

614
00:31:17.660 --> 00:31:20.360
<v Garry Stewart>So it's been a long gestation over a couple of years.

615
00:31:21.300 --> 00:31:23.720
<v Garry Stewart>We've worked with the Zephyr Quartet,

616
00:31:23.820 --> 00:31:25.600
<v Garry Stewart>the string quartet, Zephyrs,

617
00:31:25.700 --> 00:31:29.120
<v Garry Stewart>as well as two singers singing in the Kaurna language,

618
00:31:29.340 --> 00:31:31.840
<v Garry Stewart>which is the language of the Adelaide Plains.

619
00:31:33.300 --> 00:31:34.800
<v Garry Stewart>And we've worked with the human voice in that work,

620
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:37.860
<v Garry Stewart>but it didn't make sense to use English, really,

621
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.860
<v Garry Stewart>in a work that was so firmly about our relationship with nature.

622
00:31:42.060 --> 00:31:45.980
<v Garry Stewart>And so I approached some Kaurna elders

623
00:31:45.980 --> 00:31:48.380
<v Garry Stewart>and explained the project to them

624
00:31:48.380 --> 00:31:50.580
<v Garry Stewart>and asked for their permission to use the language.

625
00:31:50.760 --> 00:31:54.000
<v Garry Stewart>And fortunately, they were very encouraging in that

626
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:56.400
<v Garry Stewart>and incredibly enthusiastic.

627
00:31:56.580 --> 00:31:59.480
<v Garry Stewart>That was Leanne Buckskin and Uncle Lewis O'Brien,

628
00:31:59.700 --> 00:32:01.980
<v Garry Stewart>who directed me toward Jack Buckskin,

629
00:32:03.300 --> 00:32:05.420
<v Garry Stewart>a young Kaurna man who's a cultural leader

630
00:32:05.420 --> 00:32:09.240
<v Garry Stewart>and has taught himself to be fluent in the Kaurna language.

631
00:32:09.500 --> 00:32:12.580
<v Garry Stewart>And so we're very privileged to use this language.

632
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:14.840
<v Garry Stewart>What was interesting in the process

633
00:32:14.840 --> 00:32:19.960
<v Garry Stewart>is that I'd made the work pretty much coming from the perspective

634
00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:23.700
<v Garry Stewart>of Western understanding of nature

635
00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:27.220
<v Garry Stewart>through ecology and ecosystem processes and biology,

636
00:32:28.300 --> 00:32:32.940
<v Garry Stewart>looking at rhythms and patterns that exist within nature,

637
00:32:33.300 --> 00:32:36.680
<v Garry Stewart>such as flocking, herding, swarming, the tides,

638
00:32:37.300 --> 00:32:39.800
<v Garry Stewart>the patterns of the seasons and day and night,

639
00:32:39.860 --> 00:32:41.540
<v Garry Stewart>the circadian rhythms and so forth.

640
00:32:42.060 --> 00:32:43.700
<v Garry Stewart>But when Jack saw the work,

641
00:32:43.760 --> 00:32:46.220
<v Garry Stewart>he saw it through the prism of his own cultural understanding,

642
00:32:46.460 --> 00:32:48.720
<v Garry Stewart>which I thought was a really beautiful kind of collision

643
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:53.040
<v Garry Stewart>of two knowledge bases coming together to form a unique whole.

644
00:32:53.320 --> 00:32:57.620
<v Garry Stewart>As I said, I think nature is sort of a difficult conceptual consideration

645
00:32:58.300 --> 00:33:00.200
<v Garry Stewart>and, you know, we inherit...

646
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:03.280
<v Garry Stewart>We've inherited from the Enlightenment period,

647
00:33:03.840 --> 00:33:05.660
<v Garry Stewart>and through Romanticism,

648
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:09.580
<v Garry Stewart>this notion of nature as something that's separate to being human.

649
00:33:09.780 --> 00:33:11.520
<v Garry Stewart>And so we still grapple with that.

650
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<v Garry Stewart>And through my work as an artist, you know,

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<v Garry Stewart>I guess that's one of the tensions that I'm playing with.

652
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<v Garry Stewart>And they're not necessarily answers,

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<v Garry Stewart>like, you know, a problem that's solved through an essay,

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<v Garry Stewart>but more sort of presenting a kind of a poetic space

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<v Garry Stewart>for contemplating those kind of tensions.

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<v Garry Stewart>An earlier work that I wrote,

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<v Garry Stewart>or before the beginning of nature, was called Multiverse.

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<v Garry Stewart>And I work with 3D stereoscopic graphics with Deakin University,

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<v Garry Stewart>a place called the Motion Lab,

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<v Garry Stewart>where they experiment with dance and new technologies.

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<v Garry Stewart>And so the dancers...

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<v Garry Stewart>Sorry, the performers would watch the performance with 3D glasses on,

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<v Garry Stewart>and it was a convergence between 3D graphics and live dancing,

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<v Garry Stewart>which is sort of a...

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<v Garry Stewart>..two very difficult mediums,

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<v Garry Stewart>mediums to bring together.

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<v Garry Stewart>But that work was...

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<v Garry Stewart>It looked at processes on the quantum level,

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<v Garry Stewart>such as string theory

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<v Garry Stewart>and other associated theories to do with the sort of quantum mechanics,

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<v Garry Stewart>and also the macro field of cosmology.

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<v Garry Stewart>The way...

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<v Garry Stewart>For example, the function of gravity

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<v Garry Stewart>and the way that gravity operates within the universe.

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<v Garry Stewart>And also light,

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<v Garry Stewart>and sort of...

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<v Garry Stewart>So it's concepts in relationship to the visible world,

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<v Garry Stewart>but also concepts in relationship to this imaginary invisible world.

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<v Garry Stewart>Another work that I'm working on is called North-South,

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<v Garry Stewart>and that's a collaboration with a Norwegian choreographer,

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<v Garry Stewart>Ine Kristall Johansson.

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<v Garry Stewart>And in that work,

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<v Garry Stewart>we're both responding to the polar regions of the planet.

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<v Garry Stewart>Ine's making a piece on Australian dance theatre called North,

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<v Garry Stewart>which is her reflections upon living in the Arctic Circle,

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<v Garry Stewart>and she most recently made a piece called Frozen Songs

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<v Garry Stewart>as a result of a residency at the Svalbard Seed Vault

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<v Garry Stewart>in the Svalbard Archipelago,

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<v Garry Stewart>which is north of Norway,

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<v Garry Stewart>sort of deep into the Arctic Circle.

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<v Garry Stewart>The Svalbard Seed Vault is a repository of all the world's seeds

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<v Garry Stewart>to the world's compendium of agricultural plants,

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<v Garry Stewart>and it contains about a billion seeds.

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<v Garry Stewart>So she was seen to be the right fit for this work.

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<v Garry Stewart>She's also been working in broaching the polar regions,

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<v Garry Stewart>so she'll be coming to the company later this year to make North.

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<v Garry Stewart>So in Making South, I've focused on Douglas Mawson's journey

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<v Garry Stewart>from Adelaide to the South Pole in 1912.

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<v Garry Stewart>He was part of the whole exploration era at the turn of the century,

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<v Garry Stewart>which was kind of framed by a certain kind of heroism

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<v Garry Stewart>that was required as, I think,

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<v Garry Stewart>the kind of PR that was required

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<v Garry Stewart>by the PR of being an explorer at the time

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<v Garry Stewart>in order to attract money and funding and support.

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<v Garry Stewart>But he went there as a geologist,

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<v Garry Stewart>and I think he had kind of quite sort of...

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<v Garry Stewart>..much more sort of humble ambitions

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<v Garry Stewart>rather than just conquering the land.

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<v Garry Stewart>But really, his story is really kind of quite a sad, depressing tale

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<v Garry Stewart>where he lost a couple of his men and most of his dogs and supplies,

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<v Garry Stewart>and he had to eat his dogs in order to survive,

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<v Garry Stewart>to get back to the base camp.

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<v Garry Stewart>And so it's kind of used

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<v Garry Stewart>as an interesting allegory.

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<v Garry Stewart>The descent of his journey kind of is an equivalent

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<v Garry Stewart>to the descent and deterioration of Antarctica

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<v Garry Stewart>and the polar regions at this point in history.

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<v Garry Stewart>You know, it's interesting,

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<v Garry Stewart>I came across the writings of Eleanor Glasberg,

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<v Garry Stewart>who's an American feminist cultural critic

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<v Garry Stewart>who talks a lot about Antarctica

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<v Garry Stewart>and the artwork that's made about Antarctica.

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<v Garry Stewart>And rather than just being kind of a terra nullius,

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<v Garry Stewart>a place of alienation,

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<v Garry Stewart>it's actually stamped with colonial imprints and footprints,

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<v Garry Stewart>particularly in the most recent era through science.

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<v Garry Stewart>So even though there's a treaty, which was signed in 1959,

728
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<v Garry Stewart>that no-one can own Antarctica,

729
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<v Garry Stewart>we all lay claims to it through scientific programs.

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<v Garry Stewart>So it's sort of like a proxy colonisation of Antarctica.

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<v Garry Stewart>And even, interestingly,

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<v Garry Stewart>Argentina sent a woman,

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<v Garry Stewart>a woman to Antarctica to give birth to a child in 1977

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<v Garry Stewart>because they have a kind of an ongoing argument with Chile

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<v Garry Stewart>about ownership of a certain peninsula in Antarctica,

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<v Garry Stewart>which is an extension of the Andes mountain range.

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<v Garry Stewart>So giving birth to a child,

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<v Garry Stewart>there seemed to be a sort of way of owning Antarctica.

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<v Garry Stewart>We also have currently on at the South Australian Museum

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<v Garry Stewart>what's called the Cubic Museum,

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<v Garry Stewart>which is a three-metre Perspex cube,

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<v Garry Stewart>where we've commissioned three local choreographers

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<v Garry Stewart>to work with the researchers of the museum

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<v Garry Stewart>and make performance dance pieces for the Cubic Museum

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<v Garry Stewart>in relationship to the research of the museum

746
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<v Garry Stewart>and also in the context of the Pacific Gallery

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<v Garry Stewart>where the Perspex cube is located and the tension of that.

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<v Garry Stewart>So that's currently on as part of the Adelaide Dance Festival.

