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<v Chair>The Australian History Association of Australia Distinguished Lecture.

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<v Chair>My name is Naomi Mathers and I'm the Deputy Chair of the SIAA.

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<v Chair>Before we start our very interesting format, there are a few housekeeping issues I've been asked to deal with.

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<v Chair>Please, I will ask you all to be courteous and turn off your mobile phones.

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<v Chair>I'm sure Megan can come up with a suitable punishment for anybody whose phone goes off during the session.

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<v Chair>All funding will be cancelled for your project.

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<v Chair>We encourage you to connect via social media.

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<v Chair>Please use the tweet handle at ADIFOI, the hashtag ADIFOI, and also on Instagram and it's in your program.

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<v Chair>I'm not going to try and read that out.

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<v Chair>We ask you please not to record this session.

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<v Chair>It is being professionally recorded and it will be made available to you by the Space Industry Association and the Festival of Ideas.

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<v Chair>So just a warning that tonight's session will be recorded, both video and audio.

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<v Chair>So on behalf of the SIAA Board, I'd like to start by acknowledging that the land we meet on today is the traditional land for the Kaurna people

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<v Chair>and that we respect their spiritual relationship with their country.

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<v Chair>We also acknowledge that the Kaurna people,

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<v Chair>as the traditional custodians of the Adelaide region,

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<v Chair>and that their cultural heritage beliefs are still important to the living Kaurna people today.

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<v Chair>I'd also like to acknowledge the organisers of the Festival of Ideas for welcoming us within their program.

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<v Chair>What a perfect subject for a Festival of Ideas, for nothing excites new ideas like space.

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<v Chair>From the exploration of our solar system to the use of space to manage our earthly resources,

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<v Chair>space stimulates new technologies and applications.

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<v Chair>It motivates students to study science, technology, engineering and mathematics.

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<v Chair>It challenges our lawyers to develop new legal frameworks.

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<v Chair>It inspires our artists and provides new business opportunities.

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<v Chair>Australia is rich with talented and creative people working in the space industry.

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<v Chair>The SIAA has been bringing these people together and advocating their needs for 25 years.

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<v Chair>And now we have more than 170 members nationally.

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<v Chair>In September last year, the SIAA hosted the International Astronautical Congress,

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<v Chair>here in Adelaide, to showcase this expertise to the world.

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<v Chair>This Congress attracted more than 4,500 of the world's space experts.

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<v Chair>The SIAA was thrilled that the government chose this global stage

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<v Chair>to announce the establishment of the Australian Space Agency.

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<v Chair>The SIAA advocated for the establishment of an agency in its 2017 white paper,

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<v Chair>Advancing Australian Space,

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<v Chair>outlining both the need and the benefits of a coordinating agency.

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<v Chair>We're pleased that the government acted on this advice,

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<v Chair>and on the 1st of July, only a few weeks ago,

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<v Chair>the Australian Space Agency came into being.

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<v Chair>Such an ambitious endeavour, which carries with it the expectations of a nation,

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<v Chair>requires an exceptional leader.

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<v Chair>And we believe Dr Megan Clark is the perfect choice.

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<v Chair>Dr Clark has a distinguished career in the mining sector,

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<v Chair>before leaving CSIRO.

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<v Chair>She has served on the Prime Minister's Science, Engineering and Innovation Council,

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<v Chair>as well as the Prime Minister's Taskforce on Manufacturing.

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<v Chair>In 2014, she was appointed a Companion of the Order of Australia

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<v Chair>for eminent service to scientific research and development through fostering innovation,

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<v Chair>to science administration through strategic leadership roles,

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<v Chair>and to the development of public policy for technological sciences.

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<v Chair>This experience made her an excellent choice to chair the Commonwealth Government's

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<v Chair>Space Policy Expert Reference Group,

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<v Chair>that also included our SIAA Chair, Michael Davis.

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<v Chair>On the 1st of July, she became the inaugural head of the new Australian Space Agency.

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<v Chair>It's my great pleasure to welcome to the stage,

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<v Chair>this year's SIAA Distinguished Speaker, Dr Megan Clark.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Thank you very much, and thank you for that warm introduction.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I also wanted to acknowledge the traditional owners,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>particularly as we're talking about Australia's future in space.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I think it's wonderful to look back tens of thousands of years,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and I know the Kaurna people had a wonderful connection with space.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>In fact, from their stories, according to Duane Hamacher,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>the people of Kaurna,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>all of the Adelaide Plains saw the Great Milky Way

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<v Dr Megan Clark>as a winding river with the huts alongside the edge of the Milky Way.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And the dark patches of the Milky Way,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>they saw as the deep, swirling and dangerous parts of that river.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And the Southern Cross, they saw as one of the great eagles' will do.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>It's a wonderful connection, I think, with space.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>It's a real honour to deliver the SIAA oration,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and in particular, I wanted to thank the very many people

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<v Dr Megan Clark>who, every step along the way,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>made it possible for us to have a space agency.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>They worked tirelessly for many decades.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Many of those people are here in the room,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and I just want to personally thank them.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Each and every one of those people who actually made this possible.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We literally started just over a week ago,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>so it does seem very new.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I can tell you that we are absolutely excited

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<v Dr Megan Clark>that after the efforts of many, we can get going.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I have to say, on the Monday morning,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>which was July 2nd, we had geared up to start,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>we literally wandered around in circles for about an hour

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<v Dr Megan Clark>because we had worked so hard for that day.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And suddenly it was here, so we...

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I let the team, as I walk around for a bit,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>said, right, that's it, now we've got to get to work.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So we are so keen to do our very best to serve this nation,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>but to also serve your vision.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We listen to the vision of the nation,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and when you do something like this,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I think the nation is very wise,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and so we listened to the wisdom of the nation,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and we simply reflected that simple and very coherent vision

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<v Dr Megan Clark>back to the government.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>What could be simpler?

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And of course, I was very lucky that the nation

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<v Dr Megan Clark>had a very single voice, and knew exactly what it wanted.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I think it was born a little bit out of frustration,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>so it knew exactly what it wanted,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and that was delightful.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I did want to acknowledge and absentia Michael Davis,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>who is the chair of SIA.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>He was part of the expert review group

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and a wonderful, wise council for the team.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And of course, Naomi Mavis, the deputy chair,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and with us the Deputy Lord Mayor as well,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>is with us tonight.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So I just wanted to acknowledge that.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Like many of you,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I welcome the resounding $300 million investment

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<v Dr Megan Clark>by the federal government in the space sector

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<v Dr Megan Clark>in the May budget.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>It was not just a commitment to the agency,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>but this was a very strong and firm statement to the world

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<v Dr Megan Clark>that we were very serious this time.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Also, the government supported all key recommendations

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<v Dr Megan Clark>of the review into Australia's space industry capability,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>which was really the nation's voice.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>The budget had $260 million

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<v Dr Megan Clark>to do three very important projects,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and I just want to quickly outline those for you.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>$161 million went to Geoscience Australia

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<v Dr Megan Clark>that network that allows us to know where we are

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<v Dr Megan Clark>all those GPS chips that sit in so many devices.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We were behind the world.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We had five, 10-metre accuracy,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and the rest of the world was a lot more accurate

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<v Dr Megan Clark>in how they positioned.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>This investment,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>that lifts that accuracy to 10 centimetres.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>It's not very big.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>10 centimetres across all of our land,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and across our airspace.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So that brings us up to world-class standard.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>But what the budget did was go even further

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and provided $64 million

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<v Dr Megan Clark>so that in our capital cities,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>by using the additional mobile phone networks,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and we will have three centimetre accuracy from GPS.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>That is going to be world-leading.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So not only do we catch up,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>that will allow us to be world-leading.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I can assure you that sends a very strong message to the world.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>The budget also provided $37 million

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<v Dr Megan Clark>to commercialise some extraordinary work that's been done.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I'll talk a bit more about that later,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>called Digital Earth Australia.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Which is something that we could set the world standard for.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And I'll talk a bit about that.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>It also provided the ongoing funding

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and gave us $15 billion to kick-start

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<v Dr Megan Clark>the international discussions.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So quite an extraordinary investment.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>of course, you see the impact of the Defence investment.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And the Defence will be investing $10 billion

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And that's a fantastic foundation and ballast

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<v Dr Megan Clark>to growing the industry.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So not just Defence, but those companies

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<v Dr Megan Clark>also supplying into the similar area.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So every day we almost forget

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<v Dr Megan Clark>how space is used in banking,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I'm always astounded when you go to the wheat farms

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and you see the rows that are planted

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and then next year's row is planted

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And that is because you can use space

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We forget that all of our agriculture

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<v Dr Megan Clark>need space to communicate.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>But we are also a country

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<v Dr Megan Clark>where 99% of Australians

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<v Dr Megan Clark>but actually only 30% of our geographic population

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So 70% of Australia,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>because you know what it feels like

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<v Dr Megan Clark>70% of Australia does not have communications

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and that, of course, will need space.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>But add to that our maritime jurisdiction.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We have one of the largest maritime jurisdictions

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So tonight I wanted to share a little bit

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<v Dr Megan Clark>about the purpose of the Agency.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I wanted to also share

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<v Dr Megan Clark>the strategic priorities of the Agency.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And then, given that this is the Festival of Ideas,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I wanted to put to you

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<v Dr Megan Clark>that Australia can and should step up

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and be a responsible global citizen in space

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and look at how we might do that.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Space is going to become the defining domain

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<v Dr Megan Clark>for human ambition for decades to come.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And we absolutely must be part of that as a country.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Your Agency has a very clear purpose

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<v Dr Megan Clark>It's also to increase the use of space

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Everything we do is to increase

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<v Dr Megan Clark>The use of space, we could lead in that.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Our partnerships internationally

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Australia said we want to be inspired

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<v Dr Megan Clark>by what Australia can and will do in space.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And of course we need to improve

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We simply can't do this alone.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We're certainly not the biggest

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So our efforts must be underpinned

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<v Dr Megan Clark>by very strong international partnerships

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<v Dr Megan Clark>if we're going to run through the legs of giants.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I've been really astounded

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<v Dr Megan Clark>has reinforced one thing for me.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We were missing one door and one voice.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And as soon as we had that,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Even...we've only been up and running

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We are already in discussions

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<v Dr Megan Clark>for country-to-country cooperation agreements

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<v Dr Megan Clark>with the European Space Agency, with Japan,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and others have already reached out to us.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And that tells us that there's a need

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And it's been actually quite astounding.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>On the other side,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I think there's hundreds of us sitting at the Space Agency

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and really there's only a few of us.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So it's been kind of interesting.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>On the positive side, we did have one discussion.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I know I mentioned the country.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>It was a very large country.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And we said we'd like to build a ground by October.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And they sort of said,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>well, that's not going to be possible for us.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And they asked our first,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And he sort of thought,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>well, I have to talk to Magnus,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and then we'll write it up.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Yeah, that's possible for us.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>It's a lot less bureaucracy.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We certainly want to open the door

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<v Dr Megan Clark>so that industry and research can move through.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And to do that, of course,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>we need to understand the strategic priorities

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<v Dr Megan Clark>of industry and research.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So it's not just about building our industry as well.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We definitely want to step up

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and be a much more responsible global citizen

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<v Dr Megan Clark>because we need to be part of ensuring safe and secure operations in space

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and, of course, healthy operations in space and on Earth.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We also want to share with all Australians

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and we want to share with Australians

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<v Dr Megan Clark>some of the really exciting things that are going to be happening

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<v Dr Megan Clark>so that Australians can feel proud

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and you can feel proud of the companies,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>of the researchers,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>of some of the students

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and some of the extraordinary things

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We want to connect parents and children

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<v Dr Megan Clark>with their curiosity,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>that natural curiosity that they have of space

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and want to learn more.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>You're all curious,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>that's why you're here.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And I know Mary was saying

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We want to connect that curiosity.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We want to connect that curiosity

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and have it grow

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<v Dr Megan Clark>because it's certainly an opening into technology

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and engineering, science and maths.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>It's a wonderful, wonderful door.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And we're going to do some seriously cool things

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and we want to share that as well.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We'll work closely, very closely,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>with our federal colleagues

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<v Dr Megan Clark>such as the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We'll work with CSIRO.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We'll work with the regulators such as ACMA and CASA.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We'll work with the states and territories and industry

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<v Dr Megan Clark>to craft national policy and strategy for civil space.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>A lot of people would argue that we are late to this party.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I think Iceland now becomes the only OECD country

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<v Dr Megan Clark>that doesn't have a space agency.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And it's true.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We are late to this party.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Many of you would remember Australia's entry into space

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<v Dr Megan Clark>several decades ago in the 60s.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We were one of the countries that was right in there

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and then we sort of...

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I don't know how to put it. We lost the plot a little.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And we lost that sense of urgency.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We want to get that back.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>But we're entering at a really important time.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We're entering at a time

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<v Dr Megan Clark>when space is moving from predominantly in the government domain

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<v Dr Megan Clark>into the commercial domain.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So it used to be several decades ago.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Three quarters of what was done was in the government side.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And now that's completely flipped into the commercial.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So we're coming into a realm

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<v Dr Megan Clark>where how we do that and how we work with our industry

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<v Dr Megan Clark>has completely changed.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And that does give us a blank piece of paper.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We've set the purpose of our agency to be industry-focused.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We will be.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>One of the most industry-focused agencies in the world.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We have to be focused because we're small.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And we don't have a lot of money.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>But we do believe that this is where the future is going.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So we're very keen to deliver on your vision,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>the vision of the nation,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and we're keen to produce an agency

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<v Dr Megan Clark>of which all Australians can be really proud.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I wanted to cover the strategic priorities.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So for the nerds and tech heads,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and I know there's some of you in here,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I wanted to go into a little bit of that

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and share where we think Australia can go.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And I think that's where we're going to step up.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We have to make choices.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We have to make strategic choices.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We have to lean on our strengths

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and also nurture some of the areas

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<v Dr Megan Clark>where we can lead in the world.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We do have a lot of strengths.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Where we are in the Earth

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<v Dr Megan Clark>as we look out into both the solar system and the galaxy,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>where we sit in the southern hemisphere,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>is extremely advantageous to us.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We've got wonderful education.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We've got an entrepreneurial spirit,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>that kind of Aussie can-do attitude.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And this can really set us forward.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>But we've chosen six areas

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<v Dr Megan Clark>where we believe that we need to focus.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>The first, of course, as I mentioned, is communication.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Three-quarters of the current space industry

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<v Dr Megan Clark>here in Australia is connected

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<v Dr Megan Clark>with using space for communication.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So data, not so much voice anymore,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>because as you know, when you make a satellite call,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>that little delay is annoying to us.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>It didn't used to be 20 years ago.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We were grateful,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>but now it's deeply annoying.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And so space being much more used now for data.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>But space will be a key node

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<v Dr Megan Clark>in all future communication networks.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And when you think of that future,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>we simply cannot be left out of that future.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>This is the country that brought Wi-Fi to the world.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>We can't be left out of the next generation

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<v Dr Megan Clark>of telecommunications.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And this is all sorts of things.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>It includes high-altitude platforms.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So putting communication platforms

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<v Dr Megan Clark>that can sit kind of almost where balloons would sit.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So not what you would consider space,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>but much lower down,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>but can provide instantaneous communication.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I think you might need that

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<v Dr Megan Clark>when the football grand final's here in Adelaide.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>It also means things like constellations

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<v Dr Megan Clark>of smaller satellites that can talk to each other

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and sit much lower down.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And can give us much lower latency,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>much quicker communication,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and can be resilient and talk to each other

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and are cheaper to get up and running.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So just to give you a sense of that cost,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>we have our NBN SkyMuster satellites.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Billions of dollars over 18 months,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>very heavy, sit high up,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and take a long time to build.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>It's said 18 months.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>I was recently at one of the factories in France

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<v Dr Megan Clark>where some of these satellites are.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>They're like, that will go into the constellations.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Can produce one every eight hours

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<v Dr Megan Clark>in a manufacturing train that produces two a day.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>That's the difference that we're talking about.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>18 months to two a day.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>This is completely transforming.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>In terms of the future,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>just recently a company, ABA,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>with German research group, DLR,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>did a trial using lasers.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So using light, using the property of light,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>that it can also be a wave,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>but it also can take packets and packets of data.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And they used light,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>they used it from the lab to a mountain top.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>So it wasn't from space to earth,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>but it was a test.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And they got a new record of 13 terabytes of data a second.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Now to put that in perspective,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>that's everything that's ever been written in 30 seconds.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And I said to a bunch of high school kids,

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<v Dr Megan Clark>And even they were stunned.

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<v Speaker 3>Because they said,

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<v Speaker 3>well, the generation's got to figure that out.

446
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<v Dr Megan Clark>This is an enormous chunk in bandwidth.

447
00:22:04.560 --> 00:22:06.120
<v Dr Megan Clark>And this is the next generation,

448
00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:07.840
<v Dr Megan Clark>and we certainly need to be part of it.

449
00:22:08.020 --> 00:22:09.640
<v Dr Megan Clark>We are, as I mentioned,

450
00:22:10.260 --> 00:22:14.520
<v Dr Megan Clark>70% of our land mass is not covered by our mobile networks.

451
00:22:14.840 --> 00:22:17.640
<v Dr Megan Clark>And we need to make sure space is part of that.

452
00:22:18.360 --> 00:22:21.000
<v Dr Megan Clark>Very few countries would put in their strategy

453
00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:23.020
<v Dr Megan Clark>that they want to have ground stations.

454
00:22:23.800 --> 00:22:25.620
<v Dr Megan Clark>We say, well, it's a low margin,

455
00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:26.900
<v Dr Megan Clark>why do we sort of need that?

456
00:22:27.000 --> 00:22:30.040
<v Dr Megan Clark>But it absolutely makes sense for a country like Australia

457
00:22:30.040 --> 00:22:30.740
<v Dr Megan Clark>to have ground stations.

458
00:22:30.740 --> 00:22:33.220
<v Dr Megan Clark>We cover 12% of the world's rotation.

459
00:22:33.440 --> 00:22:35.760
<v Dr Megan Clark>We're the perfect place to put the connections

460
00:22:35.760 --> 00:22:37.020
<v Dr Megan Clark>from space to Earth,

461
00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:39.340
<v Dr Megan Clark>and the connections from Earth to space

462
00:22:40.040 --> 00:22:41.300
<v Dr Megan Clark>for our part of the world.

463
00:22:41.420 --> 00:22:43.080
<v Dr Megan Clark>So that's certainly part of our strategy,

464
00:22:43.220 --> 00:22:44.360
<v Dr Megan Clark>and we want to attract that.

465
00:22:44.580 --> 00:22:48.660
<v Dr Megan Clark>We currently host the deep space communication centres

466
00:22:48.660 --> 00:22:50.200
<v Dr Megan Clark>for NASA in Tidbinbilla,

467
00:22:50.340 --> 00:22:53.220
<v Dr Megan Clark>and for the European Space Agency in New Norcia

468
00:22:53.220 --> 00:22:54.440
<v Dr Megan Clark>in Western Australia.

469
00:22:54.700 --> 00:22:55.980
<v Dr Megan Clark>And the reason for that,

470
00:22:56.120 --> 00:22:58.780
<v Dr Megan Clark>I remember when I was at CSIRO,

471
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<v Dr Megan Clark>and NASA was over and I was talking to one of the senior officials

472
00:23:04.540 --> 00:23:08.740
<v Dr Megan Clark>and saying they wanted to invest $400 million in Australia

473
00:23:08.740 --> 00:23:10.000
<v Dr Megan Clark>to upgrade the facility.

474
00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:13.800
<v Dr Megan Clark>And he gave me this enormous rationale.

475
00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:15.620
<v Dr Megan Clark>It took about five minutes

476
00:23:15.620 --> 00:23:18.020
<v Dr Megan Clark>as to why this money needed to be invested.

477
00:23:18.860 --> 00:23:21.480
<v Dr Megan Clark>And he said to me,

478
00:23:21.500 --> 00:23:23.860
<v Dr Megan Clark>you know, really, you wouldn't invest it if you didn't have to.

479
00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:26.120
<v Dr Megan Clark>And then he kind of shrugged his shoulders and says,

480
00:23:26.120 --> 00:23:26.660
<v Dr Megan Clark>we have to,

481
00:23:26.740 --> 00:23:28.760
<v Dr Megan Clark>because Australia looks into this,

482
00:23:28.780 --> 00:23:29.520
<v Dr Megan Clark>we look into the solar system,

483
00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:32.900
<v Dr Megan Clark>and therefore we need you for all of our solar system missions

484
00:23:32.900 --> 00:23:35.300
<v Dr Megan Clark>to be part of that critical network

485
00:23:35.300 --> 00:23:38.200
<v Dr Megan Clark>of California, Spain, and Australia.

486
00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:41.360
<v Dr Megan Clark>And that, of course, made more sense to me.

487
00:23:41.460 --> 00:23:44.580
<v Dr Megan Clark>So it's a wonderful location for that.

488
00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:48.560
<v Dr Megan Clark>The second area was this position navigation and timing,

489
00:23:48.740 --> 00:23:50.300
<v Dr Megan Clark>which is our global...

490
00:23:50.300 --> 00:23:52.620
<v Dr Megan Clark>Not just the GPS of knowing where you are,

491
00:23:52.780 --> 00:23:55.960
<v Dr Megan Clark>but also there's very important information around timing

492
00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:58.420
<v Dr Megan Clark>that's used for the banks as well, precise timing.

493
00:23:58.780 --> 00:24:00.880
<v Dr Megan Clark>And so I mentioned a little bit about that.

494
00:24:01.060 --> 00:24:03.900
<v Dr Megan Clark>But that investment from the budget, as I said,

495
00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:08.760
<v Dr Megan Clark>will allow us to now fully automate everything that moves,

496
00:24:08.940 --> 00:24:11.020
<v Dr Megan Clark>whether it's an aircraft, whether it's people,

497
00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:14.860
<v Dr Megan Clark>knowing where you are, whether it's vehicles, et cetera.

498
00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:16.360
<v Dr Megan Clark>We will have the infrastructure

499
00:24:16.360 --> 00:24:19.480
<v Dr Megan Clark>and by position navigation and timing to do that,

500
00:24:19.560 --> 00:24:21.880
<v Dr Megan Clark>and we can certainly go forward.

501
00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:25.100
<v Dr Megan Clark>That's absolutely vital for our oil and gas,

502
00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:26.440
<v Dr Megan Clark>our mining, our agriculture,

503
00:24:27.020 --> 00:24:28.700
<v Dr Megan Clark>also for our transport network,

504
00:24:28.780 --> 00:24:32.000
<v Dr Megan Clark>if you've ever been on the transport networks

505
00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:33.620
<v Dr Megan Clark>from Darwin and through to Brisbane,

506
00:24:33.860 --> 00:24:35.680
<v Dr Megan Clark>these are the sort of networks

507
00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:37.700
<v Dr Megan Clark>that would be wonderful to fully automate.

508
00:24:38.260 --> 00:24:42.800
<v Dr Megan Clark>We will already have the largest robot on Earth,

509
00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:45.440
<v Dr Megan Clark>which will be the automated train system in the Pilbara.

510
00:24:45.800 --> 00:24:48.060
<v Dr Megan Clark>And when you explain that, when you go to the UK

511
00:24:48.060 --> 00:24:49.100
<v Dr Megan Clark>to try and make it sense,

512
00:24:49.180 --> 00:24:51.780
<v Dr Megan Clark>this is an automated train system

513
00:24:51.780 --> 00:24:53.700
<v Dr Megan Clark>that is bigger than the United Kingdom itself.

514
00:24:54.220 --> 00:24:57.960
<v Dr Megan Clark>It starts to make it real to them.

515
00:24:58.120 --> 00:24:58.760
<v Dr Megan Clark>This is the...

516
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<v Dr Megan Clark>The third area is space situational awareness,

517
00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:04.940
<v Dr Megan Clark>and recently Frank Rose from the Brookings Institute

518
00:25:04.940 --> 00:25:08.240
<v Dr Megan Clark>did a wonderful paper that outlined the state of play

519
00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:10.780
<v Dr Megan Clark>around space situational awareness,

520
00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:12.900
<v Dr Megan Clark>which is a couple of things,

521
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:16.860
<v Dr Megan Clark>but importantly the debris that's moving around in space.

522
00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:20.120
<v Dr Megan Clark>And the US Air Force is currently tracking

523
00:25:20.120 --> 00:25:22.480
<v Dr Megan Clark>22,000 pieces of space debris

524
00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:24.520
<v Dr Megan Clark>that's bigger than 10 centimetres.

525
00:25:24.580 --> 00:25:26.840
<v Dr Megan Clark>So it's quite... they're quite large, right?

526
00:25:26.840 --> 00:25:28.660
<v Dr Megan Clark>But what's extraordinary

527
00:25:29.840 --> 00:25:31.360
<v Dr Megan Clark>is the speed at which they're travelling.

528
00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:33.960
<v Dr Megan Clark>Now, we all have Roombas in this country,

529
00:25:34.020 --> 00:25:36.340
<v Dr Megan Clark>so we're used to objects

530
00:25:36.340 --> 00:25:38.800
<v Dr Megan Clark>that you don't particularly want to hit on long drives,

531
00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:42.980
<v Dr Megan Clark>but these are travelling at 28,000 kilometres an hour.

532
00:25:43.120 --> 00:25:47.960
<v Dr Megan Clark>Can you imagine hitting a kangaroo at 28,000 kilometres an hour?

533
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:50.220
<v Dr Megan Clark>Can you imagine hitting a kangaroo's fingernail

534
00:25:50.840 --> 00:25:52.840
<v Dr Megan Clark>at 28,000 kilometres an hour?

535
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:54.940
<v Dr Megan Clark>So this can do enormous damage,

536
00:25:55.040 --> 00:25:56.820
<v Dr Megan Clark>not just with something that's small,

537
00:25:56.840 --> 00:25:58.440
<v Dr Megan Clark>but that's that large that we're tracking,

538
00:25:58.600 --> 00:26:00.040
<v Dr Megan Clark>and there's 22,000 of those,

539
00:26:00.220 --> 00:26:03.520
<v Dr Megan Clark>but when you get down even to much smaller specs.

540
00:26:03.860 --> 00:26:07.340
<v Dr Megan Clark>And I understand that there's a toothbrush and a wrench

541
00:26:07.340 --> 00:26:08.780
<v Dr Megan Clark>out there somewhere as well.

542
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:10.620
<v Dr Megan Clark>I wouldn't want to be hit with those

543
00:26:10.620 --> 00:26:13.520
<v Dr Megan Clark>at 28,000 kilometres an hour.

544
00:26:13.760 --> 00:26:15.240
<v Dr Megan Clark>We've also seen...

545
00:26:15.840 --> 00:26:19.120
<v Dr Megan Clark>China in 2007 did a destructive missile test

546
00:26:19.120 --> 00:26:20.740
<v Dr Megan Clark>in one of its own assets in space,

547
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:24.180
<v Dr Megan Clark>and that resulted in 3,000 pieces of debris

548
00:26:24.180 --> 00:26:25.840
<v Dr Megan Clark>that were larger than 10 centimetres.

549
00:26:26.040 --> 00:26:27.440
<v Dr Megan Clark>And some of that debris

550
00:26:29.080 --> 00:26:31.040
<v Dr Megan Clark>potentially would have jeopardised

551
00:26:31.040 --> 00:26:34.220
<v Dr Megan Clark>one of China's own assets in space.

552
00:26:34.620 --> 00:26:36.080
<v Dr Megan Clark>So I was kind of thinking,

553
00:26:36.220 --> 00:26:38.100
<v Dr Megan Clark>does the star man in a red tassel,

554
00:26:38.180 --> 00:26:39.340
<v Dr Megan Clark>or is that space asset,

555
00:26:39.520 --> 00:26:41.440
<v Dr Megan Clark>or is that space junk going round the sun?

556
00:26:41.540 --> 00:26:43.200
<v Dr Megan Clark>So I'm not sure of the answer to that.

557
00:26:44.860 --> 00:26:46.380
<v Dr Megan Clark>On top of the space debris,

558
00:26:46.560 --> 00:26:50.900
<v Dr Megan Clark>we also have the development of anti-satellite systems

559
00:26:50.900 --> 00:26:54.240
<v Dr Megan Clark>as a very pressing challenge globally.

560
00:26:54.600 --> 00:26:56.020
<v Dr Megan Clark>So Australia can really do a lot

561
00:26:56.040 --> 00:26:57.460
<v Dr Megan Clark>and respond to some of these challenges.

562
00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:00.220
<v Dr Megan Clark>I think firstly, we can develop resilient

563
00:27:00.220 --> 00:27:02.300
<v Dr Megan Clark>and advanced communication networks

564
00:27:03.040 --> 00:27:04.480
<v Dr Megan Clark>and have constellations,

565
00:27:04.560 --> 00:27:06.240
<v Dr Megan Clark>resilient constellations in space

566
00:27:07.040 --> 00:27:10.360
<v Dr Megan Clark>that give us more security

567
00:27:10.360 --> 00:27:12.920
<v Dr Megan Clark>than simply a single satellite.

568
00:27:13.280 --> 00:27:16.020
<v Dr Megan Clark>We can and will become a critical node

569
00:27:16.020 --> 00:27:18.560
<v Dr Megan Clark>in the global space situational awareness.

570
00:27:18.760 --> 00:27:19.920
<v Dr Megan Clark>You sort of need us down here

571
00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:23.980
<v Dr Megan Clark>as the Earth rotates and we see certain parts of space.

572
00:27:24.700 --> 00:27:26.720
<v Dr Megan Clark>We also need us because sometimes

573
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.220
<v Dr Megan Clark>if somebody's not looking,

574
00:27:30.760 --> 00:27:33.200
<v Dr Megan Clark>some of those assets in space will move

575
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:35.180
<v Dr Megan Clark>and then move back before somebody looks at them.

576
00:27:35.300 --> 00:27:38.000
<v Dr Megan Clark>So we're needed for that.

577
00:27:38.580 --> 00:27:40.640
<v Dr Megan Clark>No guesses as to who might be doing that.

578
00:27:42.380 --> 00:27:44.980
<v Dr Megan Clark>Also, we can do advanced on-orbit technologies.

579
00:27:45.600 --> 00:27:47.180
<v Dr Megan Clark>We were just chatting today to a group

580
00:27:47.180 --> 00:27:48.840
<v Dr Megan Clark>here in South Australia that's doing that.

581
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:50.620
<v Dr Megan Clark>Because if you've got something coming at you

582
00:27:50.620 --> 00:27:52.940
<v Dr Megan Clark>at 28,000 kilometres an hour

583
00:27:52.940 --> 00:27:55.080
<v Dr Megan Clark>and you know it's going to come close,

584
00:27:55.120 --> 00:27:57.220
<v Dr Megan Clark>you might just want to sidle a little to the left

585
00:27:57.220 --> 00:27:59.640
<v Dr Megan Clark>or sidle a little to the right and get out of its way

586
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:03.420
<v Dr Megan Clark>because your satellite or your piece of equipment

587
00:28:03.940 --> 00:28:05.720
<v Dr Megan Clark>is incredibly valuable.

588
00:28:07.180 --> 00:28:09.780
<v Dr Megan Clark>And of course, I think lastly and in a bigger picture,

589
00:28:09.840 --> 00:28:12.580
<v Dr Megan Clark>we can become a responsible citizen globally

590
00:28:12.580 --> 00:28:16.140
<v Dr Megan Clark>to help with both a rules-based order

591
00:28:16.140 --> 00:28:18.020
<v Dr Megan Clark>with the laws and regulations

592
00:28:18.020 --> 00:28:20.120
<v Dr Megan Clark>and also the behavioural norms

593
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:22.920
<v Dr Megan Clark>that will be needed in space.

594
00:28:23.560 --> 00:28:26.080
<v Dr Megan Clark>We're already responding in some of those areas.

595
00:28:26.300 --> 00:28:29.940
<v Dr Megan Clark>So Australia is already expanding

596
00:28:30.500 --> 00:28:34.180
<v Dr Megan Clark>and with the recent relocation

597
00:28:34.180 --> 00:28:37.760
<v Dr Megan Clark>of the US SeaBan space surveillance radar

598
00:28:37.760 --> 00:28:40.320
<v Dr Megan Clark>at Harold Holt in Exmouth.

599
00:28:40.760 --> 00:28:44.040
<v Dr Megan Clark>And soon we will have the space surveillance telescope

600
00:28:44.040 --> 00:28:47.560
<v Dr Megan Clark>for the much higher orbits that will use those as well.

601
00:28:47.760 --> 00:28:49.520
<v Dr Megan Clark>I think, Pam, you helped develop those,

602
00:28:49.600 --> 00:28:51.560
<v Dr Megan Clark>so we'll be tapping on your shoulders

603
00:28:51.560 --> 00:28:52.920
<v Dr Megan Clark>for the next two weeks.

604
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:53.060
<v Dr Megan Clark>We're working on that.

605
00:28:53.060 --> 00:28:53.680
<v Dr Megan Clark>We're working on the next generation of those.

606
00:28:53.940 --> 00:28:55.320
<v Dr Megan Clark>But we've also got...

607
00:28:55.320 --> 00:28:58.100
<v Dr Megan Clark>So we will be a key part of that military node

608
00:28:58.100 --> 00:29:01.740
<v Dr Megan Clark>and a key part of the US military tracking

609
00:29:01.740 --> 00:29:03.660
<v Dr Megan Clark>and keeping a catalogue of that debris.

610
00:29:04.120 --> 00:29:06.820
<v Dr Megan Clark>But as more and more companies are in space,

611
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:11.040
<v Dr Megan Clark>we also need to provide services to the civilian

612
00:29:11.040 --> 00:29:14.240
<v Dr Megan Clark>and to the civil space areas.

613
00:29:14.560 --> 00:29:17.640
<v Dr Megan Clark>So we've got some little gems here

614
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:19.940
<v Dr Megan Clark>that we may be able to expand those gems

615
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:22.260
<v Dr Megan Clark>to provide that service.

616
00:29:22.920 --> 00:29:24.920
<v Dr Megan Clark>We've got things like there's a network

617
00:29:25.580 --> 00:29:27.220
<v Dr Megan Clark>around Western Australia and Australia

618
00:29:27.220 --> 00:29:29.100
<v Dr Megan Clark>that tracks meteorites coming in

619
00:29:29.100 --> 00:29:30.440
<v Dr Megan Clark>called the Desert Fireball Network.

620
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:31.740
<v Dr Megan Clark>We might be able to use that.

621
00:29:32.080 --> 00:29:35.360
<v Dr Megan Clark>The Big Square Kilometre Array Telescope

622
00:29:35.980 --> 00:29:39.580
<v Dr Megan Clark>can join up with other telescopes in New Zealand

623
00:29:39.580 --> 00:29:43.120
<v Dr Megan Clark>and form basically like a massive telescope

624
00:29:43.120 --> 00:29:44.200
<v Dr Megan Clark>that we can use.

625
00:29:44.300 --> 00:29:45.940
<v Dr Megan Clark>And that team tells me we can use that

626
00:29:45.940 --> 00:29:47.120
<v Dr Megan Clark>for space debris.

627
00:29:47.700 --> 00:29:50.440
<v Dr Megan Clark>University of New South Wales has also got a Falcon telescope.

628
00:29:50.860 --> 00:29:52.640
<v Dr Megan Clark>And some of the universities like Gara,

629
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.040
<v Dr Megan Clark>RMIT are working with companies

630
00:29:55.040 --> 00:29:56.640
<v Dr Megan Clark>on algorithms for orbit.

631
00:29:57.340 --> 00:29:59.100
<v Dr Megan Clark>So we've got lots of little pieces

632
00:29:59.100 --> 00:30:00.700
<v Dr Megan Clark>that we may be able to bring together

633
00:30:00.700 --> 00:30:05.360
<v Dr Megan Clark>and look at how we service our border commercial ground.

634
00:30:05.540 --> 00:30:07.860
<v Dr Megan Clark>We can't do everything at the global level,

635
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:11.040
<v Dr Megan Clark>but I think in this particular area we can step up.

636
00:30:11.660 --> 00:30:13.940
<v Dr Megan Clark>Earth observation was our fourth area.

637
00:30:14.380 --> 00:30:16.620
<v Dr Megan Clark>Now this is where we stepped out a little.

638
00:30:16.800 --> 00:30:19.160
<v Dr Megan Clark>Nearly every other country we spoke to said,

639
00:30:19.360 --> 00:30:21.920
<v Dr Megan Clark>yes, we use satellites to look down on Earth

640
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:23.300
<v Dr Megan Clark>and there's this fantastic data

641
00:30:23.300 --> 00:30:24.680
<v Dr Megan Clark>and we have them moving around

642
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:27.040
<v Dr Megan Clark>capturing different sorts of data.

643
00:30:28.060 --> 00:30:29.600
<v Dr Megan Clark>And most countries said,

644
00:30:29.740 --> 00:30:32.320
<v Dr Megan Clark>well, we want to set up a series of small companies

645
00:30:32.320 --> 00:30:35.640
<v Dr Megan Clark>that can provide data analytics,

646
00:30:35.840 --> 00:30:36.880
<v Dr Megan Clark>provide different services,

647
00:30:37.020 --> 00:30:38.140
<v Dr Megan Clark>whether it's looking at the ocean,

648
00:30:38.300 --> 00:30:39.400
<v Dr Megan Clark>whether it's looking at farms,

649
00:30:39.560 --> 00:30:40.880
<v Dr Megan Clark>whether it's looking at how plants grow,

650
00:30:41.620 --> 00:30:43.320
<v Dr Megan Clark>whether it's looking at how water changes.

651
00:30:43.660 --> 00:30:47.120
<v Dr Megan Clark>And we actually took a very different track.

652
00:30:47.280 --> 00:30:48.100
<v Dr Megan Clark>It might not be right,

653
00:30:48.220 --> 00:30:49.340
<v Dr Megan Clark>but we took a different track.

654
00:30:49.460 --> 00:30:50.980
<v Dr Megan Clark>And the reason we took a different track

655
00:30:50.980 --> 00:30:51.900
<v Dr Megan Clark>is everyone said to us,

656
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:55.200
<v Dr Megan Clark>because Australia didn't have its own satellite,

657
00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.740
<v Dr Megan Clark>we didn't have our own data that we would call our own.

658
00:30:58.780 --> 00:31:00.440
<v Dr Megan Clark>We didn't get distracted by that

659
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:04.180
<v Dr Megan Clark>and therefore we learnt to use everybody else's data

660
00:31:04.180 --> 00:31:06.480
<v Dr Megan Clark>that was coming from space.

661
00:31:07.620 --> 00:31:09.500
<v Dr Megan Clark>And we learnt how to stitch it together.

662
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:12.480
<v Dr Megan Clark>In fact, I think what Geoscience Australia did

663
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:13.600
<v Dr Megan Clark>was absolutely extraordinary.

664
00:31:14.180 --> 00:31:17.220
<v Dr Megan Clark>While other countries were spending hundreds of millions of dollars

665
00:31:17.220 --> 00:31:18.260
<v Dr Megan Clark>to put satellites up,

666
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.720
<v Dr Megan Clark>Geoscience Australia took 30 to 40 years

667
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:25.060
<v Dr Megan Clark>of data that we already had from satellites,

668
00:31:25.320 --> 00:31:27.160
<v Dr Megan Clark>from the US Landsat and other satellites.

669
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:30.020
<v Dr Megan Clark>They drove, and when I say drove,

670
00:31:30.060 --> 00:31:32.580
<v Dr Megan Clark>I mean physically drove those tapes

671
00:31:32.580 --> 00:31:35.100
<v Dr Megan Clark>to the supercomputer in Canberra.

672
00:31:35.380 --> 00:31:37.100
<v Dr Megan Clark>And they loaded it all up

673
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:40.380
<v Dr Megan Clark>and they spent $300 to $400 million

674
00:31:40.380 --> 00:31:44.640
<v Dr Megan Clark>and for every 10 square kilometres

675
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:48.360
<v Dr Megan Clark>across all of our land and all of our coastal region,

676
00:31:48.520 --> 00:31:50.400
<v Dr Megan Clark>they took every one of those images,

677
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:51.480
<v Dr Megan Clark>they corrected them,

678
00:31:51.620 --> 00:31:53.120
<v Dr Megan Clark>they corrected them for cloud,

679
00:31:53.520 --> 00:31:55.140
<v Dr Megan Clark>they corrected them over time,

680
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:56.420
<v Dr Megan Clark>they even corrected them,

681
00:31:56.520 --> 00:31:58.940
<v Dr Megan Clark>because in that time Australia's moved a little bit north

682
00:31:58.940 --> 00:32:00.400
<v Dr Megan Clark>with plate tectonics,

683
00:32:00.980 --> 00:32:02.280
<v Dr Megan Clark>they even corrected for that

684
00:32:02.280 --> 00:32:06.160
<v Dr Megan Clark>and they created for every one of those 10 square kilometres

685
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:08.400
<v Dr Megan Clark>a series of views over time.

686
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:11.120
<v Dr Megan Clark>No other country has done that.

687
00:32:11.620 --> 00:32:14.560
<v Dr Megan Clark>And it means now that if you're a company or a researcher,

688
00:32:14.560 --> 00:32:16.380
<v Dr Megan Clark>you can say, just give me this area

689
00:32:16.380 --> 00:32:18.340
<v Dr Megan Clark>and you don't have to bother

690
00:32:18.340 --> 00:32:20.300
<v Dr Megan Clark>with correcting or fixing it.

691
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:20.940
<v Dr Megan Clark>And believe me,

692
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:22.160
<v Dr Megan Clark>as someone who started their life

693
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:23.360
<v Dr Megan Clark>looking at satellite images,

694
00:32:23.560 --> 00:32:24.840
<v Dr Megan Clark>it was the bane of my life

695
00:32:24.840 --> 00:32:25.900
<v Dr Megan Clark>because nothing quite matched.

696
00:32:26.140 --> 00:32:28.060
<v Dr Megan Clark>It all matches, it's absolutely beautiful

697
00:32:28.060 --> 00:32:30.760
<v Dr Megan Clark>and we are going to export that technology.

698
00:32:30.940 --> 00:32:34.500
<v Dr Megan Clark>So hopefully make that a global standard.

699
00:32:34.800 --> 00:32:36.620
<v Dr Megan Clark>So I think that's been extraordinary

700
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:39.740
<v Dr Megan Clark>and the investment to do that means

701
00:32:39.740 --> 00:32:43.820
<v Dr Megan Clark>that Australian companies can now just sit on top of that

702
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:46.240
<v Dr Megan Clark>and produce data that's useful.

703
00:32:46.340 --> 00:32:47.100
<v Dr Megan Clark>When I say useful,

704
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:50.000
<v Dr Megan Clark>I saw the most beautiful use of that data recently

705
00:32:50.520 --> 00:32:53.840
<v Dr Megan Clark>where they've taken 30 years of data over a small area

706
00:32:53.840 --> 00:32:56.380
<v Dr Megan Clark>and said, let's just look at the water,

707
00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:59.160
<v Dr Megan Clark>the lakes, the rivers, the water, the rain

708
00:32:59.160 --> 00:33:02.620
<v Dr Megan Clark>and they shied a map of how that had changed over 30 years.

709
00:33:02.780 --> 00:33:04.840
<v Dr Megan Clark>They did this work quickly and beautifully

710
00:33:04.840 --> 00:33:06.120
<v Dr Megan Clark>and it was just glorious.

711
00:33:06.380 --> 00:33:08.880
<v Dr Megan Clark>And that's the sort of thing we can do.

712
00:33:09.300 --> 00:33:12.280
<v Dr Megan Clark>We've got some, last two areas,

713
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:15.500
<v Dr Megan Clark>we've got some areas of strength in our research

714
00:33:15.500 --> 00:33:17.260
<v Dr Megan Clark>such as our astronomy,

715
00:33:17.460 --> 00:33:20.380
<v Dr Megan Clark>such as our radio astronomy here in South Australia.

716
00:33:20.380 --> 00:33:23.640
<v Dr Megan Clark>Of course you know the over the horizon radar work

717
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:24.980
<v Dr Megan Clark>that's been done by Defence.

718
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:27.480
<v Dr Megan Clark>So we've got areas to leverage

719
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:29.380
<v Dr Megan Clark>that we will stand on those strengths

720
00:33:29.380 --> 00:33:32.380
<v Dr Megan Clark>but we've also got these little kernels,

721
00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:34.800
<v Dr Megan Clark>these little nuggets of areas

722
00:33:34.800 --> 00:33:36.720
<v Dr Megan Clark>where we in no way lead the world.

723
00:33:36.980 --> 00:33:39.700
<v Dr Megan Clark>But if we nurture them, if we support them,

724
00:33:39.860 --> 00:33:42.620
<v Dr Megan Clark>we just might be able to step up.

725
00:33:42.840 --> 00:33:45.280
<v Dr Megan Clark>Things like artificial intelligence, the robotics,

726
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.000
<v Dr Megan Clark>as I mentioned, the data analytics to pull things together.

727
00:33:48.260 --> 00:33:50.300
<v Dr Megan Clark>We've got companies here in South Australia

728
00:33:50.380 --> 00:33:51.840
<v Dr Megan Clark>looking at the incident of things.

729
00:33:52.020 --> 00:33:54.080
<v Dr Megan Clark>How they help a dairy or a farm

730
00:33:54.080 --> 00:33:55.980
<v Dr Megan Clark>with sensors all over that farm

731
00:33:55.980 --> 00:34:00.020
<v Dr Megan Clark>to be able to use satellites and constellations

732
00:34:00.020 --> 00:34:02.300
<v Dr Megan Clark>to access that data

733
00:34:02.300 --> 00:34:04.940
<v Dr Megan Clark>and control what they're doing on their farms.

734
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:08.360
<v Dr Megan Clark>We've got companies that are doing wonderful cyber security.

735
00:34:08.620 --> 00:34:11.740
<v Dr Megan Clark>How do you make your communication in space secure

736
00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:15.340
<v Dr Megan Clark>using things like quantum keys, using quantum mechanics?

737
00:34:15.660 --> 00:34:20.020
<v Dr Megan Clark>We've got some wonderful kernels of optical laser capability.

738
00:34:20.380 --> 00:34:24.520
<v Dr Megan Clark>And particularly here at the universities in South Australia.

739
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:27.260
<v Dr Megan Clark>We've got companies that are looking at

740
00:34:27.260 --> 00:34:29.020
<v Dr Megan Clark>the very next generation of propulsion,

741
00:34:29.300 --> 00:34:31.260
<v Dr Megan Clark>whether it's 3D fuel,

742
00:34:31.520 --> 00:34:33.840
<v Dr Megan Clark>whether it's 3D rockets we're printing in Victoria,

743
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:36.720
<v Dr Megan Clark>whether it's new propulsion systems

744
00:34:36.720 --> 00:34:38.020
<v Dr Megan Clark>and advanced propulsion systems.

745
00:34:38.180 --> 00:34:40.400
<v Dr Megan Clark>So these are all little nuggets

746
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:41.720
<v Dr Megan Clark>and we think they should be supported.

747
00:34:42.180 --> 00:34:45.740
<v Dr Megan Clark>Our last area is one I think Australia will lead the world.

748
00:34:46.780 --> 00:34:49.560
<v Dr Megan Clark>We call it Earth to Space is Space to Earth.

749
00:34:49.560 --> 00:34:52.480
<v Dr Megan Clark>Australia leads the world in remote asset management.

750
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:57.040
<v Dr Megan Clark>As I mentioned we have control rooms in Queensland, in Perth, here.

751
00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:00.420
<v Dr Megan Clark>They control assets thousands and thousands of kilometres away.

752
00:35:01.540 --> 00:35:06.000
<v Dr Megan Clark>And we have the largest amount of automated trucks.

753
00:35:06.180 --> 00:35:07.880
<v Dr Megan Clark>We have the first world's automated train.

754
00:35:08.100 --> 00:35:10.640
<v Dr Megan Clark>We have our offshore oil and gas platform.

755
00:35:11.040 --> 00:35:13.680
<v Dr Megan Clark>What we do in Australia will be done in space

756
00:35:13.680 --> 00:35:17.640
<v Dr Megan Clark>and what's done in space will be really useful to us.

757
00:35:17.720 --> 00:35:18.640
<v Dr Megan Clark>Those Mars rovers?

758
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:19.540
<v Dr Megan Clark>You know, they're not...

759
00:35:19.560 --> 00:35:21.660
<v Dr Megan Clark>I can see them out in the Flinders Range.

760
00:35:21.780 --> 00:35:24.620
<v Dr Megan Clark>I really can, but they're going to be very useful.

761
00:35:25.120 --> 00:35:29.280
<v Dr Megan Clark>And it's why the Woodside Petroleum Company

762
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:30.760
<v Dr Megan Clark>is partnering with NASA.

763
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:32.960
<v Dr Megan Clark>So NASA recognised this capability

764
00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:35.200
<v Dr Megan Clark>and said we're developing Robonaut,

765
00:35:35.380 --> 00:35:37.920
<v Dr Megan Clark>which is a torso robot,

766
00:35:38.120 --> 00:35:40.300
<v Dr Megan Clark>sort of from here up, very dexterous.

767
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:43.740
<v Dr Megan Clark>So Robonaut has very good use of its hands.

768
00:35:46.260 --> 00:35:49.460
<v Dr Megan Clark>And NASA says we need to use it.

769
00:35:49.460 --> 00:35:50.940
<v Dr Megan Clark>And we've done it on the International Space Station

770
00:35:50.940 --> 00:35:53.260
<v Dr Megan Clark>to do maintenance where we're taking humans out.

771
00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:55.920
<v Dr Megan Clark>And Woodside goes, well, we've got an oil rig

772
00:35:56.460 --> 00:36:00.100
<v Dr Megan Clark>that's about as complicated as an International Space Station

773
00:36:00.100 --> 00:36:01.780
<v Dr Megan Clark>and we need to do the same maintenance

774
00:36:01.780 --> 00:36:04.180
<v Dr Megan Clark>and have two or three Robonauts.

775
00:36:04.200 --> 00:36:06.380
<v Dr Megan Clark>And that's exactly where Australia can do this.

776
00:36:06.420 --> 00:36:07.780
<v Dr Megan Clark>This is such a glorious partnership.

777
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:11.980
<v Dr Megan Clark>So you can see a lot more of that happening already.

778
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:13.860
<v Dr Megan Clark>Our mining industry will, of course,

779
00:36:13.860 --> 00:36:17.380
<v Dr Megan Clark>need to connect with the space industry and solar agriculture.

780
00:36:17.380 --> 00:36:19.840
<v Dr Megan Clark>So I wanted to conclude tonight,

781
00:36:20.060 --> 00:36:22.580
<v Dr Megan Clark>and I think we're going to have a bit of Q&A,

782
00:36:22.720 --> 00:36:26.060
<v Dr Megan Clark>as to why I think Australia must reinvigorate

783
00:36:26.060 --> 00:36:31.220
<v Dr Megan Clark>our space diplomacy with our allies and with our partners

784
00:36:31.220 --> 00:36:33.860
<v Dr Megan Clark>and also in our region

785
00:36:33.860 --> 00:36:38.600
<v Dr Megan Clark>and step up and be a responsible global citizen

786
00:36:38.600 --> 00:36:44.520
<v Dr Megan Clark>for safe, secure and healthy operations in space.

787
00:36:45.020 --> 00:36:47.160
<v Dr Megan Clark>Why is this really important?

788
00:36:47.180 --> 00:36:47.360
<v Dr Megan Clark>Because it's important.

789
00:36:47.380 --> 00:36:49.620
<v Dr Megan Clark>Because space is becoming more contested,

790
00:36:50.380 --> 00:36:52.180
<v Dr Megan Clark>it's becoming more congested

791
00:36:52.180 --> 00:36:55.080
<v Dr Megan Clark>and it's becoming much more highly competitive

792
00:36:55.080 --> 00:36:56.840
<v Dr Megan Clark>than it has ever been.

793
00:36:58.620 --> 00:37:00.080
<v Dr Megan Clark>It's also a resource.

794
00:37:00.240 --> 00:37:01.360
<v Dr Megan Clark>We don't think of that,

795
00:37:01.460 --> 00:37:05.440
<v Dr Megan Clark>but it's also a resource that we need to approach wisely

796
00:37:06.380 --> 00:37:10.000
<v Dr Megan Clark>and we need to think about how we do that.

797
00:37:10.060 --> 00:37:13.200
<v Dr Megan Clark>With new states coming in, with new countries coming in,

798
00:37:13.300 --> 00:37:16.480
<v Dr Megan Clark>with commercial entities, with multilateral entities,

799
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:20.260
<v Dr Megan Clark>with even non-state players coming into that area.

800
00:37:20.700 --> 00:37:24.240
<v Dr Megan Clark>And the access to space is obviously vital now,

801
00:37:24.520 --> 00:37:26.160
<v Dr Megan Clark>but as I've outlined,

802
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:30.700
<v Dr Megan Clark>the access to space will be even more important in the future.

803
00:37:31.520 --> 00:37:35.480
<v Dr Megan Clark>Australia's had a very, very long and enduring interest

804
00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:38.480
<v Dr Megan Clark>in the peaceful use of outer space.

805
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:42.740
<v Dr Megan Clark>We were one of the 24 founding members

806
00:37:42.740 --> 00:37:46.000
<v Dr Megan Clark>of the United Nations Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space,

807
00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.840
<v Dr Megan Clark>which is called the UN COPUS in 1959.

808
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:53.000
<v Dr Megan Clark>And Australia has continuously chaired

809
00:37:53.700 --> 00:37:55.960
<v Dr Megan Clark>the Scientific and Technical Subcommittee

810
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:58.820
<v Dr Megan Clark>for over 30 years in the United Nations.

811
00:37:58.980 --> 00:38:02.500
<v Dr Megan Clark>So we do actually have a very respected role there.

812
00:38:02.700 --> 00:38:06.240
<v Dr Megan Clark>Just recently, Alex Zanetta from the Australian Space Agency

813
00:38:06.240 --> 00:38:10.060
<v Dr Megan Clark>was at COPUS and presented our national statement,

814
00:38:10.100 --> 00:38:12.780
<v Dr Megan Clark>which highlighted the new agency,

815
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:14.920
<v Dr Megan Clark>but it also reaffirmed

816
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:17.800
<v Dr Megan Clark>Australia's commitment to our obligations

817
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:21.140
<v Dr Megan Clark>consistent with the United Nations space treaties.

818
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:25.360
<v Dr Megan Clark>We're absolutely committed to strengthening the rules in space,

819
00:38:25.420 --> 00:38:26.780
<v Dr Megan Clark>the regulations in space,

820
00:38:27.040 --> 00:38:31.480
<v Dr Megan Clark>and also the norms of behaviour in space,

821
00:38:31.620 --> 00:38:35.000
<v Dr Megan Clark>and that includes the military uses of space.

822
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:37.120
<v Dr Megan Clark>I think it's evident for that

823
00:38:37.120 --> 00:38:40.320
<v Dr Megan Clark>we are one of only 16 countries in the world

824
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:43.640
<v Dr Megan Clark>that has party to all five United Nations treaties.

825
00:38:43.640 --> 00:38:46.100
<v Dr Megan Clark>So we'll work with our partners,

826
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:48.960
<v Dr Megan Clark>we'll work through the United Nations Committee,

827
00:38:49.200 --> 00:38:51.320
<v Dr Megan Clark>we'll work multilaterally and bilaterally

828
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:53.940
<v Dr Megan Clark>to strengthen those rules and laws and norms.

829
00:38:54.300 --> 00:38:57.460
<v Dr Megan Clark>We're also planning to engage with the United Nations strategically

830
00:38:57.460 --> 00:39:01.020
<v Dr Megan Clark>in their next strategic planning phase to 2030,

831
00:39:01.340 --> 00:39:03.800
<v Dr Megan Clark>and particularly how we use space

832
00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:08.140
<v Dr Megan Clark>to pursue the United Nations Sustainable Development Goals.

833
00:39:08.200 --> 00:39:08.920
<v Dr Megan Clark>It's going to be interesting.

834
00:39:09.060 --> 00:39:09.920
<v Dr Megan Clark>We go into space,

835
00:39:10.700 --> 00:39:13.620
<v Dr Megan Clark>and we're going to learn about how to care about our own space.

836
00:39:13.620 --> 00:39:16.400
<v Dr Megan Clark>We're going to plan a new space to do that.

837
00:39:18.620 --> 00:39:21.500
<v Dr Megan Clark>Those multilevel obligations and multilateral obligations

838
00:39:21.500 --> 00:39:25.160
<v Dr Megan Clark>are actually very important as well for industry.

839
00:39:25.780 --> 00:39:28.820
<v Dr Megan Clark>And we're in the process as a country

840
00:39:28.820 --> 00:39:33.580
<v Dr Megan Clark>of upgrading our regulations, our framework, and our laws

841
00:39:33.580 --> 00:39:35.280
<v Dr Megan Clark>to modernise them,

842
00:39:35.420 --> 00:39:37.440
<v Dr Megan Clark>to make sure we don't inhibit innovation,

843
00:39:37.900 --> 00:39:42.040
<v Dr Megan Clark>but also to balance what we do with our international obligations.

844
00:39:42.640 --> 00:39:43.140
<v Dr Megan Clark>So,

845
00:39:43.620 --> 00:39:46.600
<v Dr Megan Clark>we had a Space Activities Act in 1998,

846
00:39:47.120 --> 00:39:50.780
<v Dr Megan Clark>and that sort of implements our obligations

847
00:39:50.780 --> 00:39:52.480
<v Dr Megan Clark>under the United Nations Treaty.

848
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.880
<v Dr Megan Clark>And it established the licensing frameworks

849
00:39:56.620 --> 00:39:58.600
<v Dr Megan Clark>for activity in space.

850
00:39:59.260 --> 00:40:02.300
<v Dr Megan Clark>The Space Agency now will look after that responsibility.

851
00:40:03.740 --> 00:40:05.780
<v Dr Megan Clark>But we needed to review that

852
00:40:05.780 --> 00:40:07.760
<v Dr Megan Clark>because the technology's changed,

853
00:40:08.080 --> 00:40:10.580
<v Dr Megan Clark>because we don't want to inhibit innovation.

854
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:12.620
<v Dr Megan Clark>Really, things have changed fundamentally.

855
00:40:12.850 --> 00:40:17.950
<v Dr Megan Clark>The cost, the entry, the mechanisms, the orbits have all changed.

856
00:40:18.210 --> 00:40:21.970
<v Dr Megan Clark>And so we need to upgrade our frameworks and our legislation.

857
00:40:22.350 --> 00:40:23.590
<v Dr Megan Clark>So where are we at with that?

858
00:40:23.690 --> 00:40:25.950
<v Dr Megan Clark>My friend Steven Freeland,

859
00:40:26.070 --> 00:40:27.790
<v Dr Megan Clark>who was also on the expert review group,

860
00:40:27.890 --> 00:40:30.490
<v Dr Megan Clark>did a review of the Space Activities Act

861
00:40:30.490 --> 00:40:34.650
<v Dr Megan Clark>and presented his work in November 2016.

862
00:40:35.230 --> 00:40:36.750
<v Dr Megan Clark>And then in May this year,

863
00:40:37.410 --> 00:40:41.030
<v Dr Megan Clark>the Australian government introduced the Space Activities Amendment,

864
00:40:41.290 --> 00:40:42.270
<v Dr Megan Clark>which is from launches.

865
00:40:42.270 --> 00:40:43.490
<v Dr Megan Clark>And for returns.

866
00:40:43.730 --> 00:40:47.310
<v Dr Megan Clark>And that bill was just put into Parliament.

867
00:40:47.690 --> 00:40:50.950
<v Dr Megan Clark>So it won't be debated yet until the spring season,

868
00:40:51.050 --> 00:40:53.490
<v Dr Megan Clark>which is in August to December.

869
00:40:54.170 --> 00:40:56.330
<v Dr Megan Clark>But it's currently being looked at

870
00:40:56.330 --> 00:41:00.270
<v Dr Megan Clark>by the Senate Economic Legislation Committee.

871
00:41:00.710 --> 00:41:04.670
<v Dr Megan Clark>I finally managed to say those four words in the right order.

872
00:41:04.790 --> 00:41:05.690
<v Dr Megan Clark>It's taken me a while.

873
00:41:07.150 --> 00:41:09.450
<v Dr Megan Clark>I had to practise that actually this afternoon.

874
00:41:10.510 --> 00:41:11.970
<v Dr Megan Clark>So the committee then,

875
00:41:11.970 --> 00:41:13.650
<v Dr Megan Clark>looks at that.

876
00:41:13.830 --> 00:41:15.950
<v Dr Megan Clark>The committee is receiving submissions right now

877
00:41:16.970 --> 00:41:18.750
<v Dr Megan Clark>from interested parties that will do its report.

878
00:41:19.250 --> 00:41:21.570
<v Dr Megan Clark>And then there will be work done

879
00:41:21.570 --> 00:41:24.350
<v Dr Megan Clark>on producing this new regulatory framework.

880
00:41:24.670 --> 00:41:26.310
<v Dr Megan Clark>So the agency will work on that

881
00:41:26.310 --> 00:41:27.590
<v Dr Megan Clark>and will engage, of course,

882
00:41:27.630 --> 00:41:32.110
<v Dr Megan Clark>with stakeholders on its draft position.

883
00:41:33.350 --> 00:41:35.050
<v Dr Megan Clark>So we do have this opportunity,

884
00:41:35.950 --> 00:41:37.190
<v Dr Megan Clark>as I've outlined,

885
00:41:37.330 --> 00:41:40.010
<v Dr Megan Clark>to be a global leader and to really step up.

886
00:41:40.050 --> 00:41:41.410
<v Dr Megan Clark>And we've got some exciting areas

887
00:41:41.970 --> 00:41:42.990
<v Dr Megan Clark>that we think we can lead.

888
00:41:43.550 --> 00:41:45.630
<v Dr Megan Clark>I've mentioned we need to step up

889
00:41:45.630 --> 00:41:48.710
<v Dr Megan Clark>as a global responsible citizen

890
00:41:48.710 --> 00:41:51.590
<v Dr Megan Clark>for the safe and secure operations in space.

891
00:41:52.030 --> 00:41:54.630
<v Dr Megan Clark>And we also need to provide a regulatory framework

892
00:41:54.630 --> 00:41:56.990
<v Dr Megan Clark>that gives certainty to industry

893
00:41:56.990 --> 00:42:00.530
<v Dr Megan Clark>and allows our industry to be competitive internationally.

894
00:42:01.470 --> 00:42:07.010
<v Dr Megan Clark>So no other industry can inspire nations like space.

895
00:42:10.150 --> 00:42:11.630
<v Dr Megan Clark>And, you know,

896
00:42:11.630 --> 00:42:15.110
<v Dr Megan Clark>I say that because it's where human ambition

897
00:42:15.110 --> 00:42:17.570
<v Dr Megan Clark>can set its sights on interplanetary missions.

898
00:42:17.950 --> 00:42:20.470
<v Dr Megan Clark>It can set its sights on colonising.

899
00:42:20.890 --> 00:42:24.030
<v Dr Megan Clark>It can set its sights on even finding new life.

900
00:42:24.350 --> 00:42:28.030
<v Dr Megan Clark>It can set its sights on looking back on its own planet

901
00:42:28.630 --> 00:42:31.410
<v Dr Megan Clark>and taking care of our own planet.

902
00:42:32.630 --> 00:42:35.030
<v Dr Megan Clark>And we've been able to dream, I think, this big

903
00:42:35.030 --> 00:42:38.330
<v Dr Megan Clark>because we've seen that technologies

904
00:42:38.330 --> 00:42:40.030
<v Dr Megan Clark>that have been developed through space

905
00:42:40.030 --> 00:42:43.090
<v Dr Megan Clark>have completely transformed the way we work

906
00:42:43.090 --> 00:42:44.310
<v Dr Megan Clark>and the way we communicate,

907
00:42:44.650 --> 00:42:47.010
<v Dr Megan Clark>and certainly will do in the future.

908
00:42:47.090 --> 00:42:47.790
<v Dr Megan Clark>Thank you very much.

909
00:42:51.610 --> 00:43:00.990
<v Chair>Thank you very much, Megan.

910
00:43:01.430 --> 00:43:04.230
<v Chair>We do have 15 minutes for Q&A.

911
00:43:04.430 --> 00:43:07.890
<v Chair>So please, if you put your hand up if you have a question,

912
00:43:07.970 --> 00:43:10.010
<v Chair>and we have some voting models.

913
00:43:10.030 --> 00:43:10.210
<v Chair>If you have any other questions,

914
00:43:10.210 --> 00:43:11.050
<v Chair>we'll go to Mike's, which...

915
00:43:13.030 --> 00:43:13.150
<v Chair>One...

916
00:43:13.150 --> 00:43:14.590
<v Chair>One of the...

917
00:43:14.590 --> 00:43:16.730
<v Chair>There's one up here.

918
00:43:17.070 --> 00:43:17.870
<v Chair>Mike?

919
00:43:19.150 --> 00:43:19.830
<v Chair>Mike?

920
00:43:22.790 --> 00:43:27.590
<v Audience>Will you be considering any science missions in the future?

921
00:43:28.770 --> 00:43:30.130
<v Dr Megan Clark>It's a great question.

922
00:43:30.190 --> 00:43:33.670
<v Dr Megan Clark>In our discussions with the various agencies,

923
00:43:34.130 --> 00:43:37.830
<v Dr Megan Clark>we're already looking at potential joint missions,

924
00:43:38.070 --> 00:43:39.930
<v Dr Megan Clark>and we're particularly looking at

925
00:43:40.030 --> 00:43:42.690
<v Dr Megan Clark>at the lens of how do we get Australian technology,

926
00:43:42.930 --> 00:43:45.110
<v Dr Megan Clark>how do we showcase what we're doing in that industry,

927
00:43:45.310 --> 00:43:50.730
<v Dr Megan Clark>but also where those missions can provide a broader,

928
00:43:50.850 --> 00:43:54.850
<v Dr Megan Clark>if you like, broader value to our economy.

929
00:43:55.130 --> 00:43:56.350
<v Dr Megan Clark>So we are looking at that,

930
00:43:56.530 --> 00:43:59.050
<v Dr Megan Clark>and I think some of the science missions

931
00:43:59.610 --> 00:44:02.570
<v Dr Megan Clark>allow you to ask some pretty extraordinary questions,

932
00:44:02.770 --> 00:44:04.590
<v Dr Megan Clark>so we'll be certainly looking at those things.

933
00:44:05.170 --> 00:44:06.110
<v Dr Megan Clark>We're not...

934
00:44:06.110 --> 00:44:07.110
<v Dr Megan Clark>It's not about...

935
00:44:07.110 --> 00:44:08.470
<v Dr Megan Clark>It's really not about...

936
00:44:09.970 --> 00:44:12.710
<v Dr Megan Clark>having the budget that someone like NASA does

937
00:44:12.710 --> 00:44:14.070
<v Dr Megan Clark>of $20 billion a year

938
00:44:14.070 --> 00:44:16.910
<v Dr Megan Clark>to be able to find significant missions,

939
00:44:17.150 --> 00:44:19.590
<v Dr Megan Clark>but we absolutely want to be part of those

940
00:44:19.590 --> 00:44:20.990
<v Dr Megan Clark>and where it makes sense for Australia.

941
00:44:22.910 --> 00:44:23.390
<v Dr Megan Clark>Hello?

942
00:44:24.610 --> 00:44:27.230
<v Audience>I'm just wondering about secondary education as a teacher.

943
00:44:27.410 --> 00:44:29.950
<v Audience>I'm wondering if this is a push out of your brief,

944
00:44:30.030 --> 00:44:32.150
<v Audience>if there's any scope for secondary education.

945
00:44:33.210 --> 00:44:35.250
<v Dr Megan Clark>There's certainly, I think, the scope...

946
00:44:36.350 --> 00:44:37.930
<v Dr Megan Clark>Not... All the way through,

947
00:44:38.470 --> 00:44:41.430
<v Dr Megan Clark>but how do we capture that curiosity at the very beginning?

948
00:44:41.530 --> 00:44:44.070
<v Dr Megan Clark>How do we bring it all the way through the education system?

949
00:44:44.310 --> 00:44:46.210
<v Dr Megan Clark>And then how do we have the skills

950
00:44:46.210 --> 00:44:50.030
<v Dr Megan Clark>that we're going to need for this industry?

951
00:44:50.990 --> 00:44:52.550
<v Dr Megan Clark>And then how do you bring back

952
00:44:52.550 --> 00:44:54.950
<v Dr Megan Clark>and make sure we're educating people like Mary

953
00:44:54.950 --> 00:44:56.590
<v Dr Megan Clark>to be able to educate their kids?

954
00:44:56.690 --> 00:45:00.090
<v Dr Megan Clark>So how do we do that whole loop as well?

955
00:45:00.470 --> 00:45:04.650
<v Dr Megan Clark>We had discussions today with the South Australian government

956
00:45:04.650 --> 00:45:07.070
<v Dr Megan Clark>when this particular issue came up as well,

957
00:45:07.110 --> 00:45:08.230
<v Dr Megan Clark>particularly the skills base.

958
00:45:08.470 --> 00:45:10.390
<v Dr Megan Clark>So it's an enormous challenge,

959
00:45:10.650 --> 00:45:12.910
<v Dr Megan Clark>but on the other side, it's a wonderful opportunity

960
00:45:13.470 --> 00:45:17.890
<v Dr Megan Clark>because you see the way that kids' curiosity responds to space,

961
00:45:18.070 --> 00:45:19.450
<v Dr Megan Clark>and so it's just a wonderful mechanism

962
00:45:19.450 --> 00:45:23.970
<v Dr Megan Clark>to teach such a broad spectrum of engineering and maths

963
00:45:23.970 --> 00:45:24.930
<v Dr Megan Clark>and all of those things.

964
00:45:25.330 --> 00:45:27.910
<v Dr Megan Clark>I haven't been to Hamilton.

965
00:45:28.110 --> 00:45:29.030
<v Dr Megan Clark>Are you at Hamilton?

966
00:45:30.330 --> 00:45:35.230
<v Dr Megan Clark>I went to the Victorian Space School Education Centre

967
00:45:35.230 --> 00:45:36.290
<v Dr Megan Clark>where they have...

968
00:45:36.290 --> 00:45:38.270
<v Dr Megan Clark>Half the class is on...

969
00:45:38.270 --> 00:45:41.290
<v Dr Megan Clark>..the surface of Mars or in their spacesuits,

970
00:45:41.330 --> 00:45:42.310
<v Dr Megan Clark>and she loved them speaking,

971
00:45:42.470 --> 00:45:44.190
<v Dr Megan Clark>and the other half is in the control room.

972
00:45:44.810 --> 00:45:47.390
<v Dr Megan Clark>I've never seen, you know, two bunches of kids

973
00:45:47.390 --> 00:45:51.790
<v Dr Megan Clark>that were more engaged and working as teams, et cetera.

974
00:45:51.910 --> 00:45:52.470
<v Dr Megan Clark>It was just phenomenal.

975
00:45:52.890 --> 00:45:55.130
<v Dr Megan Clark>And you know that they were going to go home that night

976
00:45:55.130 --> 00:45:58.190
<v Dr Megan Clark>and share that with their brothers and sisters and families, et cetera.

977
00:45:58.630 --> 00:46:00.970
<v Dr Megan Clark>It was just an extraordinary experience for them.

978
00:46:01.010 --> 00:46:04.390
<v Dr Megan Clark>And I felt like I was 10 again, so it was pretty exciting.

979
00:46:05.310 --> 00:46:07.530
<v Chair>Our next question is Jennifer and Greg.

980
00:46:07.810 --> 00:46:08.250
<v Chair>Sure.

981
00:46:08.270 --> 00:46:10.570
<v Audience>Should Australia be able to develop a launch cabin

982
00:46:10.570 --> 00:46:12.050
<v Speaker 3>where there is no gate for us?

983
00:46:13.050 --> 00:46:14.090
<v Dr Megan Clark>It's a great question.

984
00:46:14.230 --> 00:46:18.490
<v Dr Megan Clark>I mentioned that the nation was very united in its advice to us.

985
00:46:18.590 --> 00:46:20.730
<v Dr Megan Clark>The one area where it was not united was locked.

986
00:46:21.190 --> 00:46:23.610
<v Dr Megan Clark>So at one end of the spectrum, there was,

987
00:46:23.610 --> 00:46:26.690
<v Dr Megan Clark>look, we've got lots of launch capacity in itself.

988
00:46:27.290 --> 00:46:28.750
<v Dr Megan Clark>It's not where the value is.

989
00:46:28.770 --> 00:46:30.790
<v Dr Megan Clark>It's the value of getting your assets into space.

990
00:46:31.530 --> 00:46:32.850
<v Dr Megan Clark>That was one end of the spectrum.

991
00:46:33.130 --> 00:46:36.030
<v Dr Megan Clark>At the other end of the spectrum, we had advice saying,

992
00:46:36.110 --> 00:46:38.050
<v Dr Megan Clark>we're going to have so much new demand.

993
00:46:38.050 --> 00:46:40.590
<v Dr Megan Clark>We're going to have smaller satellites and constellations

994
00:46:40.590 --> 00:46:42.970
<v Dr Megan Clark>that may be launched.

995
00:46:43.250 --> 00:46:45.650
<v Dr Megan Clark>And somewhere in the middle of things like space tourism

996
00:46:45.650 --> 00:46:47.590
<v Dr Megan Clark>and weather-managed activities.

997
00:46:48.410 --> 00:46:52.610
<v Dr Megan Clark>Really where we landed in the review was to say that this is not an area

998
00:46:52.610 --> 00:46:54.870
<v Dr Megan Clark>that we recommend for taxpayers' dollar.

999
00:46:55.470 --> 00:46:59.430
<v Dr Megan Clark>But it was an area where if there was a commercial opportunity,

1000
00:46:59.690 --> 00:47:01.990
<v Dr Megan Clark>a commercial group could see that market,

1001
00:47:02.130 --> 00:47:03.790
<v Dr Megan Clark>could feel that they could establish themselves,

1002
00:47:04.130 --> 00:47:07.190
<v Dr Megan Clark>then there was a role for government to support and facilitate that

1003
00:47:07.190 --> 00:47:08.970
<v Dr Megan Clark>and make sure the obligations were clear.

1004
00:47:09.570 --> 00:47:11.290
<v Dr Megan Clark>So not an area we were recommending.

1005
00:47:11.650 --> 00:47:13.770
<v Dr Megan Clark>I think the other aspect is it was,

1006
00:47:14.590 --> 00:47:18.250
<v Dr Megan Clark>it's just quite hard to see that supply-demand position right now.

1007
00:47:18.330 --> 00:47:22.830
<v Dr Megan Clark>I think it will develop and we'll get a clearer picture of that.

1008
00:47:23.430 --> 00:47:27.390
<v Dr Megan Clark>So again, not an area that certainly didn't have a single answer.

1009
00:47:28.250 --> 00:47:29.490
<v Dr Megan Clark>I think it's best off the bat.

1010
00:47:30.430 --> 00:47:36.230
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I think there are people that are thinking from opportunities

1011
00:47:37.190 --> 00:47:40.210
<v Speaker 3>and we've been back to a better space,

1012
00:47:40.430 --> 00:47:46.070
<v Speaker 3>a really remarkable achievement in the solar system and technology.

1013
00:47:46.770 --> 00:47:50.190
<v Speaker 3>But we really haven't spoken about the risks and downsides

1014
00:47:50.710 --> 00:47:52.530
<v Speaker 3>of ordinary citizens.

1015
00:47:53.210 --> 00:47:56.430
<v Speaker 3>So at the same time that all the things we're talking about

1016
00:47:57.190 --> 00:47:57.750
<v Speaker 3>are happening,

1017
00:47:59.370 --> 00:48:02.770
<v Speaker 3>the interest for me is we've become a far more aware

1018
00:48:02.770 --> 00:48:06.190
<v Speaker 3>that cyberware, cyber-computers,

1019
00:48:06.190 --> 00:48:07.990
<v Speaker 3>are part of our public health team.

1020
00:48:08.190 --> 00:48:12.730
<v Speaker 3>That mass surveillance is now part of our public health team

1021
00:48:12.730 --> 00:48:15.030
<v Speaker 3>and they're really engaged with the business community

1022
00:48:15.030 --> 00:48:20.750
<v Speaker 3>and can further multiply or uplift our normal quality of guest technology.

1023
00:48:21.790 --> 00:48:24.450
<v Speaker 3>We're talking about international cooperation

1024
00:48:24.450 --> 00:48:27.590
<v Speaker 3>and the reality of how the system works.

1025
00:48:28.830 --> 00:48:32.230
<v Speaker 3>We're talking about the Texas area of industries

1026
00:48:33.190 --> 00:48:35.950
<v Speaker 3>and the massive reach of those.

1027
00:48:37.230 --> 00:48:40.490
<v Speaker 3>And we're talking about the massive, massive area.

1028
00:48:40.970 --> 00:48:44.070
<v Speaker 3>But one where the average citizen

1029
00:48:44.070 --> 00:48:49.350
<v Speaker 3>has absolutely no influence or leverage

1030
00:48:49.350 --> 00:48:52.170
<v Speaker 3>and a lot of information is not.

1031
00:48:52.310 --> 00:48:54.910
<v Speaker 3>Where even the most sophisticated journalists

1032
00:48:54.910 --> 00:48:57.550
<v Speaker 3>have the ability.

1033
00:48:57.970 --> 00:49:00.730
<v Speaker 3>And where, and there are information leaks,

1034
00:49:01.050 --> 00:49:04.710
<v Speaker 3>those leaks are part of the reason we're here today.

1035
00:49:10.550 --> 00:49:14.270
<v Speaker 3>And we know that some of the information is also used

1036
00:49:14.270 --> 00:49:16.130
<v Speaker 3>to focus on the living,

1037
00:49:16.310 --> 00:49:17.930
<v Speaker 3>and the same is true for every time.

1038
00:49:18.390 --> 00:49:21.350
<v Speaker 3>So that's interesting to me that this industry

1039
00:49:22.750 --> 00:49:24.610
<v Speaker 3>and the whole of the industry

1040
00:49:24.610 --> 00:49:25.990
<v Speaker 3>and the industrial complex,

1041
00:49:27.750 --> 00:49:30.730
<v Speaker 3>we need to find a way as citizens

1042
00:49:30.730 --> 00:49:33.990
<v Speaker 3>to get some more accountability on this system.

1043
00:49:34.210 --> 00:49:35.890
<v Speaker 3>I think that's something that we're all very concerned about.

1044
00:49:35.890 --> 00:49:36.170
<v Speaker 3>And I think that's something that we need to do.

1045
00:49:43.630 --> 00:50:06.150
<v Speaker 3>I think nose

1046
00:50:06.150 --> 00:50:08.110
<v Dr Megan Clark>there's the light and the shadows

1047
00:50:08.110 --> 00:50:10.350
<v Dr Megan Clark>and you highlighted some of the shadows

1048
00:50:10.350 --> 00:50:11.950
<v Dr Megan Clark>some of the cyber risks

1049
00:50:11.950 --> 00:50:13.770
<v Dr Megan Clark>which are invading

1050
00:50:13.770 --> 00:50:16.130
<v Dr Megan Clark>a lot of what we're doing in the data space

1051
00:50:16.130 --> 00:50:16.810
<v Dr Megan Clark>as well

1052
00:50:18.230 --> 00:50:19.730
<v Dr Megan Clark>highlighting some of the

1053
00:50:19.730 --> 00:50:21.830
<v Dr Megan Clark>potential uses of space

1054
00:50:21.830 --> 00:50:23.990
<v Dr Megan Clark>for military use etc

1055
00:50:23.990 --> 00:50:25.950
<v Dr Megan Clark>as I mentioned that sort of

1056
00:50:25.950 --> 00:50:28.190
<v Dr Megan Clark>anti-satellite areas so there are

1057
00:50:28.190 --> 00:50:29.530
<v Dr Megan Clark>shadows and light and I think

1058
00:50:29.530 --> 00:50:32.170
<v Dr Megan Clark>it's very important to highlight the shadows as well

1059
00:50:32.170 --> 00:50:34.170
<v Dr Megan Clark>as the light so I completely agree

1060
00:50:34.170 --> 00:50:35.910
<v Dr Megan Clark>with you and then if we take

1061
00:50:36.150 --> 00:50:38.410
<v Dr Megan Clark>those shadows how do we

1062
00:50:38.410 --> 00:50:40.410
<v Dr Megan Clark>make sure as you said

1063
00:50:40.410 --> 00:50:41.230
<v Dr Megan Clark>that those shadows

1064
00:50:41.230 --> 00:50:43.710
<v Dr Megan Clark>are clear and

1065
00:50:43.710 --> 00:50:46.230
<v Dr Megan Clark>that we eliminate what's actually

1066
00:50:46.230 --> 00:50:48.090
<v Dr Megan Clark>happening there and that there's a

1067
00:50:48.090 --> 00:50:49.790
<v Dr Megan Clark>sense of oh I've missed out

1068
00:50:49.790 --> 00:50:54.230
<v Dr Megan Clark>my discussion

1069
00:50:54.230 --> 00:50:56.070
<v Dr Megan Clark>on why Australia

1070
00:50:57.070 --> 00:50:58.330
<v Dr Megan Clark>can step up

1071
00:50:58.330 --> 00:51:00.150
<v Dr Megan Clark>and should step up as being a responsible

1072
00:51:00.150 --> 00:51:02.250
<v Dr Megan Clark>citizen in part

1073
00:51:02.250 --> 00:51:04.370
<v Dr Megan Clark>is to respond to some of

1074
00:51:04.370 --> 00:51:05.550
<v Dr Megan Clark>these aspects of the shadow

1075
00:51:05.550 --> 00:51:07.670
<v Dr Megan Clark>and Australia

1076
00:51:07.670 --> 00:51:09.390
<v Dr Megan Clark>can be recognized

1077
00:51:10.250 --> 00:51:11.730
<v Dr Megan Clark>as somewhat of a

1078
00:51:11.730 --> 00:51:13.490
<v Dr Megan Clark>neutral broker we're not that

1079
00:51:13.490 --> 00:51:15.810
<v Dr Megan Clark>threatening in that we don't have

1080
00:51:15.810 --> 00:51:17.350
<v Dr Megan Clark>a huge presence

1081
00:51:17.350 --> 00:51:20.110
<v Dr Megan Clark>but we also have a significant presence in our region

1082
00:51:20.110 --> 00:51:21.830
<v Dr Megan Clark>and I think we will take those

1083
00:51:21.830 --> 00:51:23.810
<v Dr Megan Clark>steps carefully and we will

1084
00:51:23.810 --> 00:51:24.850
<v Dr Megan Clark>take those steps slowly

1085
00:51:26.010 --> 00:51:27.470
<v Dr Megan Clark>but we do see that

1086
00:51:27.470 --> 00:51:28.990
<v Dr Megan Clark>I think it's a responsibility

1087
00:51:29.770 --> 00:51:31.750
<v Dr Megan Clark>to make sure that we have a voice

1088
00:51:31.750 --> 00:51:33.850
<v Dr Megan Clark>in making

1089
00:51:33.850 --> 00:51:35.390
<v Dr Megan Clark>sure we're managing those shadows

1090
00:51:35.550 --> 00:51:36.710
<v Dr Megan Clark>and that people feel comfortable

1091
00:51:36.710 --> 00:51:38.610
<v Dr Megan Clark>in that area so I mean

1092
00:51:38.610 --> 00:51:40.410
<v Dr Megan Clark>we could have a whole

1093
00:51:40.410 --> 00:51:41.950
<v Dr Megan Clark>another evening on that

1094
00:51:41.950 --> 00:51:43.190
<v Dr Megan Clark>but thank you for highlighting

1095
00:51:43.950 --> 00:51:46.030
<v Dr Megan Clark>as I said the light and the shadows

1096
00:51:46.030 --> 00:51:46.970
<v Dr Megan Clark>on all of these issues

1097
00:51:49.850 --> 00:51:51.710
<v Audience>Thank you Dr Clark

1098
00:51:51.710 --> 00:51:53.850
<v Audience>my question

1099
00:51:53.850 --> 00:51:55.890
<v Audience>in some way builds on that

1100
00:51:55.890 --> 00:51:57.630
<v Audience>but puts us back the other way

1101
00:51:57.630 --> 00:51:59.830
<v Audience>we just had this wonderful example

1102
00:52:00.950 --> 00:52:02.450
<v Audience>this week with Adelaide

1103
00:52:02.450 --> 00:52:05.090
<v Audience>and Dr Harry Harris helping

1104
00:52:05.090 --> 00:52:07.430
<v Audience>lead a wonderful collaboration

1105
00:52:07.990 --> 00:52:08.630
<v Audience>international collaboration

1106
00:52:08.630 --> 00:52:12.470
<v Audience>rescue those entire boys in a cave

1107
00:52:13.130 --> 00:52:16.670
<v Audience>so I guess it brings me to the positive side

1108
00:52:16.670 --> 00:52:20.310
<v Audience>of how we can use the space agenda

1109
00:52:20.310 --> 00:52:22.150
<v Audience>I guess I want to play just a

1110
00:52:22.150 --> 00:52:22.850
<v Audience>little bit of collaboration

1111
00:52:23.490 --> 00:52:26.110
<v Audience>so this week we had a great example of focus

1112
00:52:26.110 --> 00:52:28.170
<v Audience>and the need to collaborate

1113
00:52:28.630 --> 00:52:30.370
<v Audience>and I just wondered whether you might be able

1114
00:52:30.370 --> 00:52:32.250
<v Audience>to unpack a bit of what your thoughts are

1115
00:52:32.250 --> 00:52:34.630
<v Audience>and there's no doubt from a lawyer point of view

1116
00:52:34.630 --> 00:52:36.130
<v Audience>about the need for collaboration

1117
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<v Audience>but someone's easier said than done

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00:52:39.050 --> 00:52:41.250
<v Audience>in the way the spirit states of being

1119
00:52:41.250 --> 00:52:42.550
<v Audience>that your attention

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00:52:42.550 --> 00:52:45.110
<v Audience>and the game that the world wants you to do

1121
00:52:45.110 --> 00:52:47.530
<v Audience>can you just tell me to speak to the challenges

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00:52:47.530 --> 00:52:49.090
<v Audience>and the priorities around collaboration

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00:52:49.090 --> 00:52:49.730
<v Audience>to the people

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Yeah well it was a good start

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00:52:52.210 --> 00:52:55.290
<v Dr Megan Clark>that the nation had a coherent and single voice

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00:52:55.290 --> 00:52:56.490
<v Dr Megan Clark>that was a really good start

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00:52:56.490 --> 00:52:58.630
<v Dr Megan Clark>I've been involved in lots of things

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<v Dr Megan Clark>and I think as I said to the Prime Minister

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00:53:01.030 --> 00:53:04.070
<v Dr Megan Clark>I've never been involved in anything where the entire nation

1130
00:53:04.630 --> 00:53:05.370
<v Dr Megan Clark>has actually done what it wanted

1131
00:53:05.370 --> 00:53:07.470
<v Dr Megan Clark>and not just do exactly what it wanted

1132
00:53:07.470 --> 00:53:08.950
<v Dr Megan Clark>it did what it wanted government to do

1133
00:53:08.950 --> 00:53:11.190
<v Dr Megan Clark>and I said that's never happened to me before in my whole life

1134
00:53:11.190 --> 00:53:14.250
<v Dr Megan Clark>and it actually said it wanted government to do something

1135
00:53:14.250 --> 00:53:15.610
<v Dr Megan Clark>which was extraordinary

1136
00:53:15.610 --> 00:53:19.530
<v Dr Megan Clark>so I think we do have quite a united position

1137
00:53:20.170 --> 00:53:22.670
<v Dr Megan Clark>yes there's been quite a bit of talk in the media

1138
00:53:22.670 --> 00:53:24.550
<v Dr Megan Clark>about the competition that's going on

1139
00:53:24.550 --> 00:53:25.870
<v Dr Megan Clark>between the states and territories

1140
00:53:25.870 --> 00:53:28.390
<v Dr Megan Clark>but actually when I work with all of the players

1141
00:53:28.390 --> 00:53:29.990
<v Dr Megan Clark>and you talk with them

1142
00:53:29.990 --> 00:53:31.830
<v Dr Megan Clark>there's actually an enormous sense of

1143
00:53:31.830 --> 00:53:34.290
<v Dr Megan Clark>an enormous sense of collaboration and national views

1144
00:53:34.630 --> 00:53:39.410
<v Dr Megan Clark>so certainly what's portrayed is not what I'm seeing on the ground

1145
00:53:39.410 --> 00:53:43.430
<v Dr Megan Clark>and the third aspect is how we collaborate internationally

1146
00:53:43.430 --> 00:53:46.510
<v Dr Megan Clark>and this is really about shared ambitions

1147
00:53:47.430 --> 00:53:51.090
<v Dr Megan Clark>we need to understand the ambitions of our countries and our partners

1148
00:53:51.630 --> 00:53:54.650
<v Dr Megan Clark>and understand our own and share those

1149
00:53:54.650 --> 00:53:56.370
<v Dr Megan Clark>and that sounds very simple

1150
00:53:57.130 --> 00:54:00.070
<v Dr Megan Clark>but I think we can certainly do that

1151
00:54:00.070 --> 00:54:03.170
<v Dr Megan Clark>and the way we've been welcomed into these collaborations

1152
00:54:03.170 --> 00:54:05.890
<v Dr Megan Clark>why do they want to collaborate with us?

1153
00:54:06.810 --> 00:54:12.170
<v Dr Megan Clark>I think there's a real recognition of the ingenuity and smarts of Australia

1154
00:54:12.170 --> 00:54:16.470
<v Dr Megan Clark>that's deeply respected and perhaps we forget that sometimes

1155
00:54:16.470 --> 00:54:20.850
<v Dr Megan Clark>and so I've certainly seen an enormous welcome to say

1156
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<v Speaker 3>let's bring some of the clever things that Australia does into this realm

1157
00:54:24.450 --> 00:54:25.890
<v Dr Megan Clark>so there's an opportunity for us

1158
00:54:25.890 --> 00:54:26.770
<v Dr Megan Clark>we can't do everything

1159
00:54:28.130 --> 00:54:30.890
<v Dr Megan Clark>but we can work with those countries where it makes sense

1160
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<v Chair>OK we have five more questions

1161
00:54:33.170 --> 00:54:33.270
<v Chair>we've got four minutes

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<v Chair>we're going to have one, two and three questions

1163
00:54:36.170 --> 00:54:38.290
<v Chair>and I'll ask you to give a very sharp question

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00:55:03.170 --> 00:55:07.450
<v Audience>what is the role of the Australian National Government in training people

1165
00:55:08.570 --> 00:55:10.590
<v Audience>for Australians and international citizens

1166
00:55:11.370 --> 00:55:14.170
<v Audience>in exchange for the right to send a pilot to the citizens' heart of the pond

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00:55:14.170 --> 00:55:15.710
<v Audience>and other nations who want to pick them up?

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00:55:15.990 --> 00:55:17.210
<v Dr Megan Clark>It's a great question

1169
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<v Dr Megan Clark>and you can probably answer some of this question

1170
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<v Dr Megan Clark>what really struck me was that Australia has also been advising

1171
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<v Dr Megan Clark>on the medical aspects of human space travel for decades now

1172
00:55:29.570 --> 00:55:32.630
<v Dr Megan Clark>through the work that we've really led

1173
00:55:33.170 --> 00:55:37.210
<v Dr Megan Clark>and our tactical monitoring model doing in Antarctica and our teams etc

1174
00:55:37.210 --> 00:55:38.590
<v Dr Megan Clark>so we've actually been part of this

1175
00:55:38.590 --> 00:55:41.830
<v Dr Megan Clark>but my understanding is we've never been able to have in Australia

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00:55:41.830 --> 00:55:44.550
<v Dr Megan Clark>even as a lead medical officer on those missions

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<v Dr Megan Clark>as well as you mentioned we've had Australians in space

1178
00:55:49.130 --> 00:55:52.230
<v Dr Megan Clark>but even getting into space is changing

1179
00:55:52.230 --> 00:55:54.830
<v Dr Megan Clark>so now we have the opportunity of space tourism

1180
00:55:54.830 --> 00:55:59.190
<v Dr Megan Clark>we have the commercial players in terms of servicing things

1181
00:55:59.190 --> 00:56:01.610
<v Dr Megan Clark>like the International Space Station

1182
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<v Dr Megan Clark>so

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<v Dr Megan Clark>we also want to look at what that might look like in the future

1184
00:56:06.530 --> 00:56:08.950
<v Dr Megan Clark>and it might not look like it looked in the past

1185
00:56:08.950 --> 00:56:11.670
<v Dr Megan Clark>and so I think that's quite a broad question

1186
00:56:11.670 --> 00:56:13.550
<v Dr Megan Clark>and what those opportunities are

1187
00:56:14.170 --> 00:56:17.790
<v Dr Megan Clark>and we're engaging on all of those fronts

1188
00:56:17.790 --> 00:56:21.270
<v Dr Megan Clark>and one of the thoughts that we had is that

1189
00:56:21.270 --> 00:56:24.070
<v Dr Megan Clark>and I think the Australians actually do want to see that

1190
00:56:24.070 --> 00:56:25.630
<v Dr Megan Clark>so we're looking at

1191
00:56:25.630 --> 00:56:28.930
<v Dr Megan Clark>we're even thinking about how you might crowdsource that with 25 million people

1192
00:56:28.930 --> 00:56:31.610
<v Dr Megan Clark>so all sorts of ideas

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00:56:32.370 --> 00:56:32.530
<v Dr Megan Clark>but

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<v Dr Megan Clark>importantly

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00:56:34.170 --> 00:56:36.810
<v Dr Megan Clark>how you put humans in space is also the rich area as well

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks for your talk

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00:56:40.970 --> 00:56:43.270
<v Speaker 5>for the last many years

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<v Speaker 5>on the first week in October

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<v Speaker 5>the Women's Peace Group that I'm involved with

1201
00:56:47.790 --> 00:56:50.730
<v Speaker 5>we've always observed keep space for peace week

1202
00:56:51.370 --> 00:56:54.310
<v Speaker 5>and so of course we're a bit nervous hearing all about this

1203
00:56:54.970 --> 00:56:58.350
<v Speaker 5>but we were pleased to come and hear about the good side of it too

1204
00:56:58.350 --> 00:56:59.790
<v Speaker 5>but I'm just wondering

1205
00:57:00.370 --> 00:57:02.210
<v Speaker 5>I mean we've got a Prime Minister

1206
00:57:03.170 --> 00:57:03.890
<v Speaker 5>who joined with the US

1207
00:57:04.790 --> 00:57:07.290
<v Speaker 5>now how are you going to be able to

1208
00:57:07.290 --> 00:57:09.350
<v Speaker 5>if he says come on you've got to do something

1209
00:57:09.350 --> 00:57:12.070
<v Speaker 5>the US want the use of this for military

1210
00:57:12.770 --> 00:57:16.850
<v Speaker 5>how can we genuinely really keep space for peace?

1211
00:57:21.410 --> 00:57:25.650
<v Dr Megan Clark>I think it's a great question because we have our obligations

1212
00:57:25.650 --> 00:57:27.370
<v Dr Megan Clark>we've set international obligations

1213
00:57:27.370 --> 00:57:30.170
<v Dr Megan Clark>we're working at that at the United Nations level

1214
00:57:30.170 --> 00:57:32.030
<v Dr Megan Clark>on the peaceful use of our space

1215
00:57:32.030 --> 00:57:34.830
<v Dr Megan Clark>we also have our strong allies

1216
00:57:34.830 --> 00:57:39.490
<v Dr Megan Clark>one of which and one of our strongest allies of course being the United States

1217
00:57:39.490 --> 00:57:41.110
<v Dr Megan Clark>and a partner for us

1218
00:57:41.110 --> 00:57:46.270
<v Dr Megan Clark>so Australia has always balanced our international obligations

1219
00:57:46.270 --> 00:57:49.110
<v Dr Megan Clark>our commercial relationships as well in the region

1220
00:57:49.110 --> 00:57:52.990
<v Dr Megan Clark>with our fundamental mateship with our allies

1221
00:57:52.990 --> 00:57:56.150
<v Dr Megan Clark>and I think we can balance those

1222
00:57:56.150 --> 00:57:57.850
<v Dr Megan Clark>we've certainly balanced them in the past

1223
00:57:58.670 --> 00:58:01.730
<v Dr Megan Clark>and we'll need to continue to balance them in the future

1224
00:58:03.130 --> 00:58:03.410
<v Dr Megan Clark>as well

1225
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<v Dr Megan Clark>Other follow up question?

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<v Speaker 6>Some might think I've nose

1227
00:58:30.250 --> 00:58:34.610
<v Speaker 6>Personally, I think it should be in Canberra and that each of the states should have a

1228
00:58:34.610 --> 00:58:37.430
<v Speaker 6>representative of the industry department relating to it.

1229
00:58:37.570 --> 00:58:41.630
<v Speaker 6>I think if you don't have the agency in Canberra, you're going to be isolated in the discussions

1230
00:58:41.630 --> 00:58:46.750
<v Speaker 6>with other government departments, CSIRO, Geoscience, and all the defence, etc.

1231
00:58:47.010 --> 00:58:53.070
<v Speaker 6>It's much more important that the agency, you as the CEO, start in those dialogues face

1232
00:58:53.070 --> 00:58:54.390
<v Speaker 6>to face every day.

1233
00:58:54.530 --> 00:58:56.150
<v Speaker 6>I think that's really, really important.

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<v Speaker 6>The second point is about this recent legislation over the forum we had a couple of weeks ago.

1235
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<v Speaker 6>Someone stood up and we thought only 30 would turn up.

1236
00:59:06.730 --> 00:59:08.270
<v Speaker 6>85 people turned up.

1237
00:59:08.370 --> 00:59:12.170
<v Speaker 6>We had a lack of seats, etc., and the enthusiasm.

1238
00:59:12.430 --> 00:59:15.410
<v Speaker 6>But one bloke stood up and said, I've read this new legislation.

1239
00:59:15.770 --> 00:59:22.170
<v Speaker 6>Why can't we have at the introduction, at the first page, a statement of why Australia's

1240
00:59:22.170 --> 00:59:26.130
<v Speaker 6>policy should be in space, rather than going to the first clause and talking about the

1241
00:59:26.150 --> 00:59:27.030
<v Speaker 6>second clause and talking about some regulation?

1242
00:59:27.290 --> 00:59:30.570
<v Speaker 6>Our association's phrasing that, I don't know if others are.

1243
00:59:30.870 --> 00:59:37.370
<v Speaker 6>So we would like a statement of policy in that legislation and ultimately one day I'd

1244
00:59:37.370 --> 00:59:43.570
<v Speaker 6>finish with the chances of this agency becoming a statutory authority under law established

1245
00:59:43.570 --> 00:59:48.610
<v Speaker 6>by parliament, responsible direct to a minister and the cabinet, rather than as a section

1246
00:59:48.610 --> 00:59:49.150
<v Speaker 6>of the department.

1247
00:59:49.290 --> 00:59:53.930
<v Speaker 6>Because I think it's far too important to be a subsection of a department that's using

1248
00:59:53.930 --> 00:59:56.130
<v Speaker 6>statutory authority with its own budget.

1249
00:59:56.150 --> 00:59:58.070
<v Speaker 6>It's only responsible to a minister.

1250
00:59:58.390 --> 01:00:02.570
<v Speaker 6>I know in the next four years there's going to be a real, but I hope it doesn't take four

1251
01:00:02.570 --> 01:00:03.830
<v Speaker 6>years to get a positive answer.

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<v Dr Megan Clark>Thanks, Chris, and thanks for all your help to help get us where we are.

