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>Can you put up the hashtags and the hashtags and everything go up there.
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You could see if they want to know.
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So in the previous presenters, they've just mentioned it
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welcome, everybody.
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Welcome to this afternoon session or within a future of media,
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I'm Lowen Steel from challenging thinking.
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And I'm here to just monitor this today, long to the conversation.
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We are fortunate to have some fantastic speakers here with us.
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First, before I get into that, I can do a little bit of housekeeping.
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So phones to silent, please. I'm sure everybody's aware of that.
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The session is being recorded by Adelaide radio Adelaide on behalf of the
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Adelaide festival of ideas.
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So that we a future podcasts coming from all of this and there's video recorded
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by daylight breaks. We will have a Q and a session.
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Actually the Q and a session is going to be a little bit different to the way
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it's normally program. We're going to include that throughout the session.
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Further housekeeping is that there is the hashtag.
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I'm just got to find my hashtags here.
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The tweet handle is at Adelaide FOI and the hashtag for
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Instagram is Adelaide FOI slash at
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Adelaide FOI. That makes sense to everybody. I would hope so.
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We have to run to a tight time schedule, so I'll keep us on time.
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And what I'll do now is introduce our speakers to you. So, as I said,
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we're really fortunate with the caliber of speakers attending today.
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We've got Amanda Pepe from publishing she's the publishing director of opinion
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media with a long career in media communications and management under her belt.
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Amanda now oversees print and online publications,
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including the iconic Adelaide masthead. The Adelaide review prior to this,
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Amanda was the publisher at solstice media. So we welcome you today, Amanda.
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Chris Graham, some of you I'm sure know who Chris is,
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I'm sure you know who most of these people are today.
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Chris founded the national indigenous times and the magazine tracker he's won a
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Walkley award, a Walkley high commendation and two human rights awards,
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his reporting, and is here today as the ad, as the editor of new Matilda,
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we also have Peter professor Peter Fray.
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Who's the co-director of the center of media transition at the university of
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technology in Sydney. So as a reporter editor and academic,
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Peter has lived through the digital revenue revolution and news media and
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spending his waking hours wondering how to harness it for public good.
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Don't we all? So what are we going to do?
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We had a lounge for each speaker and speak for 10 minutes.
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What we decided to do here is it's going to be a more informal conversation
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between the speakers and I'll manage to in fact,
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manage the conversation so that we hear from everybody,
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but it gives you the audience an opportunity to ask a question,
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we've changed the format.
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So we're going to have you have the opportunity to ask a question to of the
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speakers as we go. Now, there is a microphone here,
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so put up your hand and we'll get a microphone to you.
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So what I'll do is I'll start off with Amanda, maybe I'll start with you?
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You've seen a great change and a great transition in media having come from
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solstice media to where you are now and embracing the digital platform.
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I thought it'd be good to hear from you what that experience has been like and
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what some of the learnings and challenges maybe.
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Thanks a lot. Well, I spent three years as
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[inaudible] here in south Australia. So digital only
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news service and that
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[inaudible] they actually started as a public
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[inaudible] and it's hardest to become an alternative breeding
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source.
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And it was difficult that current chair solstice Eric winter came along and
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suggested that a digital was the way to go and to the head at the time.
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he was kind of waiting for us and he said that it is not an easy
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road.
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And obviously my screen yet realized for their financial
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support and it's free service. So there was no spiritual fee,
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but journalists need to be paid in this probably your biggest
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[inaudible] Australia or the world is what is content worth.
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So that was a struggle behind him.
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[inaudible] To move on to horrible, but
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[inaudible] kind of your hand experience,
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but we are focusing very hard on the online side of it as well,
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because I think that the, there is involved or you just do anyway,
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if you received information yeah. Would use it.
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A product is about getting underneath the stimulant ideas of issues.
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That will be more and more about, so it's not a news breaking publication,
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which might sort can really get in there and spend time on a story
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and color side. It was being covered already. You get it,
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let's just take a different angle, but we have online
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because it is a different way of getting information out and a different class
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of information, better industry.
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information of all the classic information in there?
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perhaps not always.
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So Chris in the work that you're doing, what are you seeing in this,
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in this sort of space, as far as this online space, how's this impacted for you?
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and I didn't have the foresight unfortunately to
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embrace online, in fact, when I was at rural press.
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[inaudible] but eventually lost out and then eventually interested in
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the, I love the NBC.
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that leads to some pretty sloppy reporting. Sometimes you see across media,
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fact that it crosses all the meetings, cause I work in radio as well as
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classically. So in theory
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[inaudible] in reality Amanda, I was looking at it. It's just,
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I have absolutely no understanding whatsoever of what goes
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and why or what should go home or, or have write something to go borrow.
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I don't want to take place, but to give you an example,
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striving filaments.
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[inaudible] Probably want to go because it went religiously,
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this is probably 30 journalists at the most.
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and Filipinos entirely for the, for the incidents.
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[inaudible] It had said on Australia instead.
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The story went viral in Australia and the Philippines.
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24 hours but
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[inaudible] we spent a week you missed [inaudible], but w
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e spent a substantial amount of time, legal risks. [inaudible]
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so long story short.
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I laugh and I absolutely
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think it is a democracy is
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is riding the buses share-ability democracies.
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So I don't think it's necessarily all that good for these places.
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So Peter, on that topic, your position,
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because you do a lot of study around what's happening in this space,
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look to you and look at you.
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And when I read about some of the work you're doing, and we talk about,
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you know, where trust comes within media these days and what are we doing?
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What impact is this digital space having on trust and, and journalism?
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in a sense, just to get a bit Dickensian here, we're in the best of times,
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because we've never had as much choice.
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We have more media, there are pockets of that choice,
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which are considerable amount of threat, but everyone in this room,
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they assess the best, the worst times with this as well.
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and I thought about this for a long time.
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All the way along this journey, the thing that troubled me, right?
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What do you trust? And, you know,
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I'm interested in what the audience thinks about this because I was asked to pay
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my central question is how every survey will tell you that it was trust
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a lot of institutions in the active processes
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trusted institutions that have essentially news media
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legacy journals is very much part of that trust because I think we took the
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audience. And that goes again, back to the business model,
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because we didn't have to worry about the audience.
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The audience was this invisible mass. You know, I was a reporter.
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I occasionally get a letter from a member of, you know,
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reader and it will take some two weeks to get to me and capital be,
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you know, and you try it in the, and never read it or baby either way.
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It was instant. You know, Chris,
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[inaudible] there in your face.
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The readers are in the face all the time in the Twitter,
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Twitter and other social platforms that are essentially an executive change.
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So my my trust is I think we can recapture trust
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if we understand this
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build relationship trust in any
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relationship. I think the news media is guilty taking for granted for a long,
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long time now and its
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potential to recapture that trust. But to do that,
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and I think we need to be unified as a service. So, you know,
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every service that you value, you pay for
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[inaudible]. But as a rule at the earliest time with
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digital, we habituated the readers to expect culture three of us
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at the same morning here, I would say, Hey, why are we giving this
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away? And the answer was because we had to make things go nuts and that led to cat videos and Kardashians, and we're still suffering
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so suffering. And I think there's a real issue we need to define what is
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quality, we need to redefine public interests
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. And we have to define, or we have to make them if you like
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between the journals [inaudible].
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Amanda, then just ask you,
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because I think the model for how journalism was passed,
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did you drive some of that?
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[inaudible] Driving the island
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proposition because the additives be journalism and
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[inaudible] is a broken model. It doesn't actually work.
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[inaudible] in south is how do you do something that is more
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[inaudible] and how they want to access that information and then getting it
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into that format. But in some ways also for the organizations doing the work,
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it is not a simple
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understand, that's what we offer them,
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but it's a double-edged sword because some people will see that as, yes,
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that's fair enough. And others desperate,
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you don't pass this many organizations on the age of his life. I think.
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That science and asking people to pay for it,
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then there is this issue of journalists or the role of the journalist
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and whether, if you were asking people to pay for stuff,
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then they therefore get to say what you do and
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to run the guardian.
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So they have this whole model,
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Peggy really and of course you invite the audience and then the audience would
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say, well, why did you, why didn't you, you know?
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And so there's that kind of interesting, again, another top back part of that,
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which is what does the audience expect?
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So does the audience expect just because it gives it money because it really
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does involve objectivity
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and subjectivity. I know there's an interesting time.
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We are in a very federal time when it comes to the relationship between news
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media and the rest of society, we actually try and
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on that we've very much sort of the more we would be Jesus
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primarily [inaudible] our business side at the time since
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crap, but also free. So anybody can access this service in time.
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[inaudible] So we do have a baby model, but we consistently try.
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[inaudible] [inaudible]
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but having said that,
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I think the model is
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pretty much Australia and I'm surprised you think maybe you
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have [inaudible]
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[inaudible] in the
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[inaudible] I think maybe the government gave them
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thing for a long time. So pretty crap.
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I think too, there's a result that was on the germs to
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understand
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[inaudible] do you need someone that is strong and has a grasp of ethics and
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understand what their role is so that they can actually not get sucked into
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arguing about this word because it's,
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it is a fine balance. I think it's always been really changed.
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It's not that it's not a,
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but I think where we're hitting that strength of an editor to be able to stand
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up and say, no, that doesn't fit, you know, not wanting to do that,
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but this is fine. My son
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[inaudible], as the information gets out.
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[Inaudible], you know, sometimes do we do things that really [inaudible]
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cover that uniquely comprehensive
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[inaudible] absolutely. We have media driving
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[inaudible] more than twice. And
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some people respected the fact that even though serious abortion,
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do you want to have that discussion again?
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It's sort of, what would it take
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from granted? We killed it on
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[inaudible]. What are you invested in the beauty of online costs to get out of
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class? Well, I remember the, in that sense and the cost of [inaudible],
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but we all right. So 500 grand, you know, for the humans to [inaudible]
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and you've got to value that sort of jails and it's not, what am I,
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she's fine. [inaudible], [inaudible].
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research around trust and what would it take for people to trust
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journalists and news media?
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the three traditional loads where things like that.
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and they also wanted us to be objective objectively all the time,
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but in the digital space, it also real clever and for transparency.
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And it means what the audience actually want wanting
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you jump in at any time here.
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was done, how it was done, who this journalist is and whether the,
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what else needs, what they don't know. So there's this kind of moment of truth,
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which we skirted while we have the trusted,
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we'll have to fess up to the fact that actually we didn't know everything.
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but we was kind of the severities and this idea that we actually had the truth,
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the truth. We never had the truth. We've been seeking the truth in journalism,
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journalism. That is a true seeking activity.
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It's not the truth necessarily finding it too, to be quite Frank about it.
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So we need to be Frank about what we don't know as much as what we do now,
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this sort of arrogance is going on in the news media for a long time.
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I can hear you. Great. I always say
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I'm very upfront about objectivity is, is subject to
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[inaudible] the ministerial affair.
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At some point as an editor at any new cycle,
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you have to decide what's in and what's out. Now you can't cover everything,
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but it's happened and immediately less subject because you have to make
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decisions based on something. And as a human being, you know,
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despite the best terms and training, and, you know, whatever else at some point,
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your personal biases come in well-trained
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but it's still happening. So to say to your completely reject immediate a lie,
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transparency, I think is absolutely
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seeking and being a much more disciplined about
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[inaudible] organizations that don't have to serve,
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because I think that was a lot more damage
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then sort of misplaced. Does anyone have a question?
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No, that's actually going to come to you, Chris,
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because I'm really interested in the work that you've done over the years.
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You do really heavy hitting investigative journalism, you know,
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and it always appeared to be without fear or favor.
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And that's what, that's where I was coming from with this conversation.
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You know, you become accountable for some of yours. You've had some,
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you've had the
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so what where's that now what's happening doing today?
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is aware of an environment now where this is more readily available. I mean,
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we see Royal commissions and things going on now that comes from yeah.
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[inaudible] expert in Syria, but I've watched this as an excuse for me to
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reporting and they don't want to talk about it tomorrow. I don't care.
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But this excuse from the Australian media are all the reasons why we're not
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wrong.
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And certainly those two stories is because of the early restricted in Australia.
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I think that's absolutely crap. I think the reason why we not
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[inaudible] and maybe this man or
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vocal minority can't repair might have some,
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a little bit of a war who would control this stories,
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have stake in not coming out. You know,
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their investigative services is difficult and you can be exceedingly expensive.
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We have really Xs on boilers, but you still have your own insurance.
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We don't actually them.
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But it's expensive and it is it takes a lot of resource and it,
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and it can say a lot of risks, but ours
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you know,
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so it's there, it's just,
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I watched you know,
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[inaudible] and you sort of rushed in my view, absolutely. The momentum
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particularly sort of rushing about a reporter with the Jeffrey Rush story.
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I don't know yet if I was to, I lost
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I just think the [inaudible] I think that maybe I have
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parents as the model classes and they're not investing so much in that terms
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it's done, but it still gets done fear of access plant.
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You know, we see there's some fantastic investigative stuff as well,
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but they're,
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[inaudible] stories on watch the contract. You can track
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when the [inaudible].
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Not to add to that, but I totally agree.
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And I think that that movement has struggled to retain the mental game. And
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[inaudible] the fact that optionally, most of the first meters,
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I asked you certainly around braid
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other people that I'm aware of.
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And I want to get an opportunity to travel around the country.
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And to me it was that sort of really tiny stream.
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We don't have that sort of money to go and have a chat with Colleen.
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And you also asked me, I asked you this, the start of that
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early mockery that it's reported on an extremely well, let me saying,
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I think the ABC animal,
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there is another really important topic for us to do
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because they are
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[inaudible] in Australia. So again,
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put them in a [inaudible]
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. These are the sorts of changes that we need to be aware if, if that pulling back resources,
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that [inaudible]
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logical conclusion, which is nothing as a measure,
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you put it down on the story. It doesn't always come up in a spin story.
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Sometimes, you know, there are dead ends in journalism
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but there's no money for dead ends anymore.
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So you need to make the story and that's can be not good for the
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professional.
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I actually want to jump in on ABC for a second.
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Come weeks ago the economist
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Hayden was commissioned to do a study about the impact of
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public interest. And I'm not sure where to find it. We try to get it.
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But one thing he said about the ABC, and I think there is,
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there is a truth in this and that is this, that the
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[inaudible] us consumers in this country to having free content.
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And I think we are all sitting ready to go a lot,
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a lot of the problems we've got right there.
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So we need to move. This is following recent touch.
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Not necessarily a breakup DMC would get there, but I'm saying it is true,
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right? Free content on every platform.
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One of the things that had been floated
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if we thought there was a crisis of public interest journals in this country,
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is it therefore as a
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[inaudible], could you carve off, have a
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video that will have to video that and make it contestable other organizations? That's an interesting idea.
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[Inaudible].
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[Inaudible].
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The process for applying for these funds and access to use for
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their, what their stated
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meeting or community idea to do more.
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And it's not the easiest time to get hands-on.
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It's not actually, they don't want to give it to journalists.
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I mean, $16 million a year, over three years, very far,
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but small publishers, like both of you
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[inaudible] and ridiculous editorial that is not going to find some,
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getting a nearest and we weren't, well, I think the solution to,
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to [inaudible] your sister's name,
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which cannot say we rented it out and that's essentially what the media industry
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[inaudible], but also [inaudible]
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doing the same thing that goes in your position is necessarily going to be, oh,
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suddenly this is a three is I think you've shown me for three years to find
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[inaudible], but [inaudible] [inaudible]
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come up with a sustainable business model.
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[inaudible] Getting much,
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this look is that's the reality
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[inaudible] to fill in the gaps.
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And now I actually think the
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I'm wondering if everybody's got some questions from the audience, you know,
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we said we could have chit chat along the way,
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and we're coming down to our last sort of less than quarter of an hour.
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So we've got any questions, anyone glad twice.
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We've got a question at the back there. You can get a mic there.
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So [inaudible] conversation,
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[inaudible] language into something readable.
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I haven't arrived concession. What are the lbs thoughts on that?
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Is that a trustworthy source? Does that compete with the fair hats,
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et cetera, from the compensation?
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And it was that in me, but I can stay at.
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A higher germs.
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[inaudible] And occasionally that I review as well.
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And I think it's a good solution for a Strat media industry in
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the content it's problematic in some ways, because it's not really much.
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So it is, it can cause as many hands as it can opportunities.
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[inaudible] Probably a closer relationship between giving one of the
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compensation. So it would be really helpful.
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I don't know whether anyone wants to start to do that. I had approached them,
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but I don't even have to,
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to work with them to try and make it more adapted to
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what the need is, but I don't think it's a bad thing.
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Concession as is a great Australia to mention the story of the world.
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And I suggested it should be,
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I don't think it's the absence of anything much. I mean,
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it's essentially, it's a great, well, all terrifically, a very talented,
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flowery research opinion, pieces,
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comments, free, essentially stuff.
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Really good free
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[inaudible] I don't think as a business, it's not really a business model.
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The business model,
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the compensation is taking money off of universities and making their
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academics.
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[inaudible] There's nothing wrong with that. Absolutely not the world.
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No, I agree. I think my session did a nice job
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over here. I just,
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just a sort of an idea that this
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[inaudible].
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[Inaudible] so my worry about firewalls or
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what have you ended up with this sort of
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[inaudible] that's the way.
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You know,
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[inaudible] you know, quality gems. Well,
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you can get some really good quality [inaudible]
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[inaudible], you know, [inaudible] saying
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[inaudible] consistently but that's
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[inaudible] statute here.
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[inaudible]
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Use you probably master different field.
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But I agree with you when I'm
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[inaudible]. I mean, I think the model is
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a little bit more, a bit more nuanced, just because public interest, journalism, i
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nvestigative journalism, you'll never charged the regular costume.
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So the business law isms that's
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charged people 50 bucks a story, whatever the story is, five,
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all the other ways to make that travel is
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the pay. And then your public, your public self to the public is we do these
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amazing drills. So I don't know. I mean, is there
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kind of a hundred or 200 bucks a year, too much to pay because
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this is where the good food thing
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doesn't actually work because lots of people spend lots of money on crap. Well,
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you go spend money on fresh.
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>[Inaudible].
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I just think that first year
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is not very effective and I'm going to say
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[inaudible] and
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[inaudible] he's changed,
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but I used to find on your own kids.
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And I don't think anything that I would pay for information,
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but are curious about the world. They mean, but
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very strange town.
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It's very direct and to the subjects that you're
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interested in.
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And the only thing that bothers me is they don't see all the answer.
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If you don't know what you don't know, which is why, you know,
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freeze has always been, you know, tonight,
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January incredibly
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national scrolls were a combination and you come up with stories or information
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that you didn't think you needed to know nothing about.
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And then all of a sudden you do it and that's your experience as well. So
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[inaudible] all.
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Right. We've got another question here. I'm just looking at the time too.
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So if you can kind of carry.
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My daughter is doing journalism act angry
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And she says over 50% of young,
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80 year olds want to be sports journalists and another
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25% of the girls who are long wanting to move on to television,
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what do you think is going to be to the future of our young journalist?
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[Inaudible]? The Truth Is that when I was in journalism
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school so I think the, I think what the roll edge case is to be incredibly re
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alistic. you know, in the first year I had 350 undergraduates an
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d I say, don't leave because the skills you're going to lose the skills to le
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arn all sorts of roles. I think this is one thing is that journalists in
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a way is kind of ready to talk to anyone. They don't have to lie to me. They do
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n't have to news aggregate thoughts. you know, some journalists are ver
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y useful, the skills of journalism, very useful. An
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d it's interesting when you look at where a lot of journalism get
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s made, it gets made at angios and it gets made in places where, who empl
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oyed journalists to do that work. So it's not, you know, the mumble, th
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ere are a lot more choose it's just that we
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don't have a lot of money. Oh yeah. I actually wrote the world's [inaudible]
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I think that is,
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I remember the video I remember it was like
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the [inaudible] why I feel.
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I'm going to move this on time for one more question at the back. Thank you.
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Certainly there's sort of social media platform Spears and interesting.
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It's very interesting question because we curing our face in Facebook or
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whatever, or wherever we decide to see it.
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So there is a huge danger that when you're in that space,
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you are hearing the opinions of people who are very much like yourself.
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So it doesn't expose you to the actual issue and what the world is
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about. And it just exposes you to a lot more friends and, you know,
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people in similar social economic situation to you think,
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so it is a danger when I'm not anti social media pages
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on Twitter and Facebook and out,
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meaning that once use them like everybody these days and reward on loan
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and take the stats in front of potential advertisers and what we're dealing with
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now.
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But I do think it's a little bit of sort of use it or be aware in that space
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and can be pretty small and starting a conversation as well mean if you want
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to sort of chocolate [inaudible], can you hear me
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? Social media is a great way to starting out.
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I think it's one of the biggest problems facing society genuinely.
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I think
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there's normalizing views across social media is a major major.
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And as a site,
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I make sure I get my news sort of many different sources because I'm trying to
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do that, but, you know,
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and when you're in the middle of the Twitter storm, when you're being cheered,
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it's awesome. When
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you're on a it's not. So but generalists,
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I think, well, people, I think we get worse
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polarized, and I think
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[inaudible] obviously, but there's standard portion of the [inaudible]
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camps in the U S at least, at least
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[inaudible]
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talk about social a lot, but I think yes, I mean,
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Trump has become sort of the assignment for a generation of journalists.
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But I, I do think just there are some positives in social. Every one of them is,
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you know, there are lots of platforms
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for politicians to share.
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I think if you look at Snapchat discovery, for instance
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economist publishers on Snapchat, discover, discover,
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discover a million new readers by putting a visual graph visualizations of its
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world. And I, I have a father,
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but 30 over the 40 world.
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And it gives me a lot sometimes to apply that loose on Instagram
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because they ain't going to discover anywhere else. Right.
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So I think we need to work out how to harvest YouTube, Instagram,
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Snapchat. I mean,
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this is the most single powerful thing that
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we need to harvest that, and I don't think it's an option.
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Thank you. We don't have time for any more questions. I'm sorry.
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I do want to just remind you that there's a coffee shop out here and enjoy your
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coffee. You've got your programs and there's the wonderful book shop here.
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So I'd like to say on behalf of all of us, all of us here, Amanda Pepe,
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Chris Graham, and professor. Thank you so much.
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[inaudible].
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[Inaudible].
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Because you're the second person
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[inaudible].