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<v Chair>I'd like to start by acknowledging that today we are gathered on the traditional country of the Kaurna people of the Adelaide Plains.

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<v Chair>I'd also like to introduce myself a little bit further.

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<v Chair>I have a company called Bridge8, which is a foresight and science communications consultancy.

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<v Chair>So the sort of work that we do is using futures to understand the way that the world could be,

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<v Chair>and using science to understand the way that the world works.

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<v Chair>And so I'm particularly excited to introduce you to Laura Brooks today,

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<v Chair>because when I first met Laura a week ago when we were planning this session,

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<v Chair>I said to her, you know, what is your motivation for what you do and why you do it?

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<v Chair>I really got this feeling that what pushes Laura is understanding the way the world works.

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<v Chair>So taking those fundamental ideas and knowledge of the world we live in and the world around us,

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<v Chair>transferring those to real world scenarios and seeing the direct applications of that

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<v Chair>to design things in a better way and to make the world work in a better way.

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<v Chair>So I'm really excited to be able to introduce Laura to you today.

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<v Chair>So a little bit more about Laura.

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<v Chair>Laura is a lecturer in the School of Mechanical Engineering at the University of Adelaide.

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<v Chair>She has a Bachelor of Engineering with Honours and PhD from the University of Adelaide.

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<v Chair>She was awarded the prestigious Fulbright Scholarship to research underwater sound transmission

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<v Chair>at Scripps Institution of Oceanography in California.

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<v Chair>And she has completed a postdoctoral appointment at Victoria University in Wellington, New Zealand.

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<v Chair>Her research has included underwater acoustics, micro-seismes and flow-induced noise.

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<v Chair>And in order to design for reducing the noise,

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<v Chair>her current interests include acoustic signal processing techniques

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<v Chair>and fundamental understanding of the noise-producing mechanisms of flow over bodies.

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<v Chair>Bodies like aircraft, wind turbines and submarines.

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<v Chair>So I'd now like you to welcome Laura to explain what that's all about

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<v Chair>and give you an insight into her work and her study.

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<v Chair>Thank you.

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<v Laura Brooks>Thank you for your kind introduction, Kristen.

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<v Laura Brooks>Okay, I think Kristen's actually been through my journey from where I started.

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<v Laura Brooks>As an undergraduate student at the university to where I am now as a lecturer.

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<v Laura Brooks>I've been fortunate to be involved in research in quite a few different areas

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<v Laura Brooks>in the short period for which I have been a researcher.

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<v Laura Brooks>Today I'm just going to talk about two of those areas.

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<v Laura Brooks>Ocean acoustics, which is what my PhD focused on.

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<v Laura Brooks>And aeroacoustics, which is what I'm working on now.

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<v Laura Brooks>Just due to time limitations, we'll skip over the seismics.

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<v Laura Brooks>But that was cool fun as well.

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<v Laura Brooks>Okay.

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<v Laura Brooks>Okay.

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<v Laura Brooks>Some of you here probably know a lot.

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<v Laura Brooks>About acoustics, some not so much.

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<v Laura Brooks>Acoustics is quite simply the study of sound.

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<v Laura Brooks>And when we think of sound transmission through a fluid,

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<v Laura Brooks>so through something like the air or through water,

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<v Laura Brooks>it is simply a fluctuation about the ambient pressure.

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<v Laura Brooks>So at the moment we're standing here, we're surrounded by air pressure,

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<v Laura Brooks>which is about 101 kilopascals.

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<v Laura Brooks>As I speak to you, the pressure goes up and down ever so very slightly about that value.

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<v Laura Brooks>Now, I'm going to talk about the

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<v Laura Brooks>sound transmission.

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<v Laura Brooks>Now, sound travels as a longitudinal wave.

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<v Speaker 3>It's this picture down here.

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<v Laura Brooks>And what that's showing is that we get particles which will compress and then expand as a sound

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<v Laura Brooks>wave transmits through it.

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<v Laura Brooks>However, when we think about sound, we often picture it as a sine wave.

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<v Laura Brooks>So that thing that we've drawn at the top there.

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<v Laura Brooks>What we have is our ambient pressure, which is the dashed dot line around the middle.

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<v Laura Brooks>And then we have the sound will increase above that and then decrease below it.

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<v Laura Brooks>And then we have the amplitude.

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<v Laura Brooks>The sound has an associated amplitude, which is simply the, I guess, the peak, peak value.

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<v Laura Brooks>And the amplitude is simply how loud is the sound.

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<v Laura Brooks>It also has something called wavelength.

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<v Laura Brooks>And wavelength is the distance, I guess, between two points of the same phase.

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<v Laura Brooks>For simplicity, we can think of that as the distance between two compressions or the distance

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<v Laura Brooks>between two expansions.

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<v Laura Brooks>Something else that I'll introduce at the moment is frequency.

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<v Laura Brooks>Frequency, because I'll be talking about that a little bit throughout today's session.

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<v Laura Brooks>Frequency, you can think of like pitch.

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<v Laura Brooks>So if you think of musical instruments, you think of a piccolo.

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<v Laura Brooks>That has a very high pitch or very high frequency.

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<v Laura Brooks>If you think of a double bass, that is a very low pitch or a low frequency.

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<v Laura Brooks>Frequency is simply defined as the speed of sound divided by the wavelength.

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<v Laura Brooks>So the speed of sound, the speed of sound in air, for example, is about 340 metres per

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<v Laura Brooks>But it's not constant.

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<v Laura Brooks>It depends on things such as temperature and other values as well.

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<v Laura Brooks>In the ocean, it's a lot faster.

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<v Laura Brooks>But that's what sound is.

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<v Laura Brooks>And it is really a simple thing.

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<v Laura Brooks>It's just a wave.

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<v Laura Brooks>But it's a lot more complex when you try to apply it to a real world environment to see

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<v Laura Brooks>what's happening.

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<v Laura Brooks>So first of all, we're going to talk about ocean acoustics, which is sound propagation

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<v Laura Brooks>through the ocean.

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<v Laura Brooks>Now why is this important to us?

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<v Laura Brooks>If you go swimming and you duck in under the water, you can't really hear much.

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<v Laura Brooks>However, there's actually a lot of noise in the ocean.

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<v Laura Brooks>There's noise created by shipping, noise created by waves and wind events, noise created by

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<v Laura Brooks>You get little snapping shrimp on the bottom of the deep ocean floor.

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<v Laura Brooks>You get whales and other ocean mammals communicating via sound.

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<v Laura Brooks>And it is very loud there.

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<v Laura Brooks>It doesn't couple well into the human ear, so we can't really hear it.

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<v Laura Brooks>But I won't go into those details.

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<v Laura Brooks>So what is sound?

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<v Laura Brooks>And why do we care about the transmission of sound in the ocean?

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<v Laura Brooks>Now if we think about how we communicate up here in the air.

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<v Laura Brooks>If I want to talk to you where you are now.

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<v Laura Brooks>Okay, I'm using a microphone.

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<v Laura Brooks>But I could just talk.

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<v Laura Brooks>And you would listen to the sound waves directly from how I'm speaking.

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<v Laura Brooks>However, if you were standing on the other side of a football field and I tried to talk

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<v Laura Brooks>to you without a microphone, it would be very hard to hear me.

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<v Laura Brooks>Sound cannot travel very far through air before the amplitude becomes too small to hear.

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<v Laura Brooks>And that's not very good.

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<v Laura Brooks>If we want to communicate long distances

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<v Laura Brooks>we use, I guess, waves from the electromagnetic spectrum

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<v Laura Brooks>so we can use light waves

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<v Laura Brooks>or more often we'll use, I guess, radio frequencies

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<v Laura Brooks>We can use those to transmit stuff wherever we want

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<v Laura Brooks>In the ocean it's the opposite

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<v Laura Brooks>Again, if you go swimming and you dive down a few metres

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<v Laura Brooks>Light doesn't travel very far through the water

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<v Laura Brooks>before it becomes too small a signal to be able to be useful for anything

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<v Laura Brooks>Similar with other electromagnetic waves

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<v Laura Brooks>So instead we use sound waves

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<v Laura Brooks>because sound waves in the water are kind of like the opposite to up here on Earth

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<v Laura Brooks>Sound can travel really, really large distances

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<v Laura Brooks>and still be loud enough to be useful

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<v Laura Brooks>So it's efficient sound transmission for large distances

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<v Laura Brooks>sound waves are not so big

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<v Laura Brooks>Sound does travel at about 1500 metres per second in water

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<v Laura Brooks>so about five times faster than on air

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<v Laura Brooks>so we can communicate a bit more quickly over distances

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<v Laura Brooks>And we already know that marine mammals have, I guess, discovered this fact

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<v Laura Brooks>and been able to evolve and adapt themselves to use sound

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<v Laura Brooks>for these very purposes of communication

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<v Laura Brooks>However, if we want to communicate or use sound in water

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<v Laura Brooks>for other purposes such as, I guess, sonar and things like that

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<v Laura Brooks>we need to have a very good understanding of how the ocean environment is actually affecting the sound

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<v Laura Brooks>Because we can turn on a source somewhere and we can go somewhere else in the water and receive that source

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<v Laura Brooks>but if we don't know anything about the environment in between

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<v Laura Brooks>the information we're going to get will be very confusing

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<v Laura Brooks>So there's lots of things that influence, I guess, how sound is produced and how it's used and all that kind of stuff

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<v Laura Brooks>So we're going to have a little bit of a look at how the environment can do that today

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<v Laura Brooks>First of all we'll talk about something called the sound speed profile

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<v Laura Brooks>The sound speed in air on Earth doesn't change very much

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<v Laura Brooks>However, sound speed is actually a function of temperature, salinity and depth

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<v Laura Brooks>or temperature, salinity and pressure

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<v Laura Brooks>Pressure and depth are related in the ocean

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<v Laura Brooks>and it actually increases with all three of those

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<v Laura Brooks>So if we consider a deep ocean, we consider up near the top of the ocean

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<v Laura Brooks>we have water which is being heated by the sun

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<v Laura Brooks>so the temperature of that water is a lot warmer

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<v Laura Brooks>Hence we actually have an increased sound speed near the surface of the ocean

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<v Laura Brooks>As we start to go down a little bit, we'll find that our temperature will drop off very quickly

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<v Speaker 3>Thermo being for temperature

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<v Laura Brooks>As we go down deeper still, our temperature does no longer change very much

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<v Laura Brooks>However, we're getting deeper

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<v Laura Brooks>So the water pressure increases and thus the sound speed increases again

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<v Laura Brooks>So we can actually end up with very complex sound speed profiles in our water column

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<v Laura Brooks>And this is only one example of many different profiles that we can have

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<v Laura Brooks>Okay, so we can see we have a varying sound speed profile

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<v Laura Brooks>But how does this, what does this mean?

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<v Laura Brooks>Why does this matter for acoustic communication?

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<v Laura Brooks>I guess if we look at something that we can actually visualise

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<v Laura Brooks>and that's light passing through a prism

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<v Laura Brooks>A lot of you I guess would have done physics in high school

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<v Laura Brooks>or have gone along to science events where you've seen white light pass through a prism

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<v Laura Brooks>And you probably remember from that that you're able to extract all of the different colours in a rainbow on the other side

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<v Laura Brooks>What's actually happening is that the speed of light is different in the air

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<v Laura Brooks>than it does in the prism, is in the prism

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<v Laura Brooks>And as the light moves from the air into the prism

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<v Laura Brooks>It's actually being bent or refracted a certain amount

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<v Laura Brooks>And the amount that it's bent depends upon the frequency of the light

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<v Laura Brooks>Or as we think about it, the colour

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<v Laura Brooks>Colour is simply a different frequency for a different colour

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<v Laura Brooks>And as it comes out the other side it's being bent some more

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<v Laura Brooks>And again we can still see the colours are separated

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<v Laura Brooks>Sound is very similar

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<v Laura Brooks>If you pass sound through different areas with different sound speeds

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<v Laura Brooks>You will bend it and you will bend it different amounts depending upon the frequency

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<v Laura Brooks>So okay we can understand the sound speed profile is going to affect our sound propagation

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<v Laura Brooks>Another thing which affects it is the sea surface and the sea floor

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<v Laura Brooks>Because if we think of sound in the ocean and we send out a signal

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<v Laura Brooks>Not always but often, particularly in shallow water

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<v Laura Brooks>It will interact with the sea floor on the way to wherever we are trying to receive the signal

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<v Laura Brooks>And depending upon I guess what the sea floor is constructed of

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<v Laura Brooks>And thus the signal that we receive will be different

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<v Laura Brooks>So if we send out one signal here and receive it here

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<v Laura Brooks>And we bounce the path along the sea floor

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<v Laura Brooks>Then the sound that we receive depends upon

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<v Laura Brooks>What the sediment the sea floor is made out of

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<v Laura Brooks>Is it sand, is it silt, is it mud

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<v Laura Brooks>How deep are those layers, are there multi layers

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<v Laura Brooks>Is there anything else on the sea floor of interest that we want to see

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<v Laura Brooks>So we can appreciate I guess that there's a lot of different ways in which sound can transmit through the ocean

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<v Laura Brooks>In the shallow water we could have almost a constant speed profile

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<v Laura Brooks>Or we can have on the right there a profile where our sound

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<v Laura Brooks>Is refracted slightly downwards

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<v Laura Brooks>And it interacts a lot with the sea surface and the sea floor

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<v Laura Brooks>So for shallow water propagation

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<v Laura Brooks>The sea floor is a very important entity

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<v Laura Brooks>We need to be able to relate the parameters of the sea floor

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<v Laura Brooks>To the sound and how it affects the sound

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<v Laura Brooks>In deep water we don't always interact with the sea floor and the sea surface

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<v Laura Brooks>Because we have the varying sound speed

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<v Laura Brooks>In the ocean sound will be I guess bent down

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<v Laura Brooks>And it will be bent towards locations of lower sound velocity

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<v Laura Brooks>So if we have a source at the location of our lower sound velocity

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<v Laura Brooks>And a shallow source angle

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<v Laura Brooks>We can actually find that the acoustic signal will travel

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<v Laura Brooks>In an acoustic channel

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<v Laura Brooks>Through our ocean without interacting with the sea surface and the sea floor

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<v Laura Brooks>And the good thing about that is we don't then have to account well for the sea floor

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<v Laura Brooks>Now for me I'm interested in all of this

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<v Laura Brooks>What do we need to know about the environment

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<v Laura Brooks>So what do we need to know about the sound speed profile

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<v Laura Brooks>And we can think from I guess a perspective

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<v Laura Brooks>So I won't go into too much detail about

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<v Laura Brooks>Acoustic arrays

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<v Laura Brooks>And this is them at 2 or 3 in the morning

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<v Laura Brooks>But they did an excellent job and thanks to that

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<v Laura Brooks>Now this here, I'm not going to go into too much detail of the figures

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<v Laura Brooks>And from those I was trying to determine acoustic propagation paths

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<v Laura Brooks>And from these three figures here

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<v Laura Brooks>I would like to go into more detail on the ocean acoustics

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<v Laura Brooks>But there might be some of you that are here to listen to the air acoustics

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<v Laura Brooks>So I'll move on to that area

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<v Laura Brooks>And if you've got any questions about the ocean acoustics

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<v Laura Brooks>Okay, so in ocean acoustics I was, we're interested in using sound

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<v Laura Brooks>Which is, I guess, encompasses noise generated

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<v Laura Brooks>You'll have noise generated as the turbine blades rotate through the air

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<v Laura Brooks>Similarly for submarines

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<v Laura Brooks>There will be noise produced from that

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<v Laura Brooks>For varying reasons we would like to reduce this noise

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<v Laura Brooks>Whether it be to, well just to reduce annoyance

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<v Laura Brooks>Because these might not be very nice if you live near an airport

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<v Laura Brooks>Potentially for health

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<v Laura Brooks>That can have a lot of negative effects on you

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<v Laura Brooks>And also I guess for defence reasons

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<v Laura Brooks>Defence obviously is a very important part of the system

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<v Laura Brooks>So we would like to be able to have things that you can't hear

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<v Laura Brooks>So that they can undertake covert operations

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<v Speaker 3>Now in order to be able to design these things to produce very little noise

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<v Laura Brooks>First of all we need to understand exactly

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<v Laura Brooks>How is this entity creating noise in these conditions

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<v Laura Brooks>And only when we understand exactly how it's creating noise

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<v Laura Brooks>Can we redesign it to create less noise

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<v Laura Brooks>So I won't go into too much detail on this

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<v Laura Brooks>The end of a wind turbine blade

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<v Laura Brooks>And I'll just very quickly walk you through some

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<v Laura Brooks>So we have air hitting what we call the leading edge

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<v Laura Brooks>And now that air has some turbulence associated with it

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<v Laura Brooks>So what that means is that it fluctuates about a bit

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<v Laura Brooks>As that turbulence interacts with the leading edge

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<v Laura Brooks>The air will then also flow over the blade itself

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<v Laura Brooks>And as the turbulent part of the air in the boundary layer

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<v Laura Brooks>Which is the, I guess the layer right on top of the blade

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<v Laura Brooks>That means that trailing edge noise can be one of the most dominant

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<v Speaker 3>Also we can get vortices produced

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<v Laura Brooks>For example on the edge of the turbine blade here

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<v Laura Brooks>We can actually get little vortices which are like swirling motion

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<v Laura Brooks>Kind of like what you get if you take the plug out of your bathtub

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<v Laura Brooks>And you see the water swirl down

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<v Laura Brooks>And these vortices themselves will generate a lot of noise

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<v Laura Brooks>At certain frequencies

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<v Laura Brooks>So there's a big, I guess myriad of noise producing sources on a turbine

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<v Laura Brooks>The motor itself can also produce noise

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<v Laura Brooks>But that's not something that I've personally looked at

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<v Laura Brooks>And it's also something that they've, other people have been able to deal with in the past

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<v Laura Brooks>And already wind turbines that are produced today

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<v Laura Brooks>So in order to be able to understand

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<v Laura Brooks>Rather than just simply going out and measuring noise from a wind turbine or an aeroplane

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<v Laura Brooks>We often have to take a few steps back

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<v Laura Brooks>And we have to look at something very fundamental

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<v Laura Brooks>Under controlled laboratory conditions

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<v Laura Brooks>So that we can really tap into one mechanism at a time

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<v Laura Brooks>So something that we've been looking at is just the trailing edge noise mechanism

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<v Laura Brooks>That I've been talking about

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<v Laura Brooks>And what we do is we do most of our work in a big box

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<v Laura Brooks>And this box is what's effectively an anechoic chamber

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<v Laura Brooks>You can see it has lots of foam wedges on its roof and walls and even on its floor

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<v Laura Brooks>And what these do is absorb sound

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<v Laura Brooks>So that you've basically got an echo free environment

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<v Laura Brooks>So you've really only got a direct acoustic path between two points

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<v Laura Brooks>You don't have bounces off the wall or anything like that

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<v Laura Brooks>Then what we do is we put a wind tunnel through this box

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<v Laura Brooks>So we have a fan and we blow air out here

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<v Laura Brooks>And then what we can do is we can put whatever piece we're looking at in front of that air

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<v Laura Brooks>So up on the top right hand side we've got a simple flat plate that we've put in there

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<v Laura Brooks>Now the idea is that in real life with your aeroplane for example

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<v Laura Brooks>It's the opposite effect but exactly the same thing is happening

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<v Laura Brooks>And noise will be generated in exactly the same way

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<v Laura Brooks>Now to give you a bit of an idea of what I guess

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<v Laura Brooks>What we've got here are two signals for this particular case

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<v Laura Brooks>We just have our air turned on but we don't have our body

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<v Laura Brooks>So if we can have that plate, thank you

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<v Laura Brooks>Okay you can hear very very slightly that there is some noise happening

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<v Laura Brooks>And there is already aerodynamic noise being generated

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<v Laura Brooks>But as soon as we put the plate in we get the other noise

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<v Laura Brooks>You can hear we've got a lot more noise

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<v Laura Brooks>And so yes the air is reacting with the plate and creating a lot of noise

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<v Laura Brooks>Okay so

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<v Laura Brooks>We've done some work looking at how I guess the trailing edge has been creating the noise

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<v Laura Brooks>And under different conditions we've been able to pinpoint a few different mechanisms

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<v Laura Brooks>And then we've gone away and we're now looking at

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<v Laura Brooks>Well we think we have a good understanding of how this noise is being produced

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<v Laura Brooks>And something that people have been looking at at a few different places around the world

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<v Laura Brooks>Is looking at changing I guess the shape of the trailing edge

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<v Laura Brooks>Because you can imagine if you change the shape of something

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<v Laura Brooks>It's probably going to influence how the air interacts with it

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<v Laura Brooks>So what we've got here is

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<v Laura Brooks>And so they're just zigzagged and they're different sizes

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<v Laura Brooks>And what we've got on the right hand side here I guess

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<v Laura Brooks>Showing what can happen when we put these in there

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<v Laura Brooks>So if we can have the top one played

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<v Laura Brooks>That's what we hear just from the standard trailing edge

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<v Laura Brooks>And if we can get the second one played

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<v Laura Brooks>We can hear that the noise level has actually reduced a bit

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<v Laura Brooks>By changing the trailing edge configuration we've been able to reduce it

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<v Laura Brooks>Now this is all still a little bit added

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<v Laura Brooks>To the actual test conditions

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<v Laura Brooks>We know kind of how the noise is being produced

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<v Laura Brooks>We know kind of what we can do to reduce it

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<v Laura Brooks>But until we actually then go and take our redesigned configuration

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<v Laura Brooks>And exactly at what frequencies

430
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<v Laura Brooks>There's theories out there that say what's going to happen

431
00:24:27.040 --> 00:24:29.000
<v Laura Brooks>And there's experimental evidence out there

432
00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.020
<v Laura Brooks>But there's still a lot of contradictions in that

433
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<v Laura Brooks>So there's still some murky areas that we need to delve deeper into

434
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<v Laura Brooks>So the things I've been talking about so far

435
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<v Laura Brooks>Have just been the idea of putting a test piece in

436
00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:47.240
<v Laura Brooks>Putting one microphone up above and recording the noise

437
00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:48.880
<v Laura Brooks>We can do more than that

438
00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:52.800
<v Laura Brooks>We can also I guess record information about the flow itself

439
00:24:52.800 --> 00:24:55.960
<v Laura Brooks>We can record information about its velocity and things like that

440
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<v Laura Brooks>To help us understand the flow processes that are occurring

441
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<v Laura Brooks>But something of real interest to me

442
00:25:01.700 --> 00:25:04.700
<v Laura Brooks>Is how we can better record sound

443
00:25:05.280 --> 00:25:06.780
<v Laura Brooks>And from that sound

444
00:25:07.280 --> 00:25:08.040
<v Laura Brooks>And from that recording determine

445
00:25:08.560 --> 00:25:11.540
<v Laura Brooks>Pinpoint exactly where the source is coming from

446
00:25:11.540 --> 00:25:13.400
<v Laura Brooks>And I guess the form of the source

447
00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:15.040
<v Laura Brooks>Because again before we could say

448
00:25:15.040 --> 00:25:16.600
<v Laura Brooks>Okay we've put the plate and it makes noise

449
00:25:17.280 --> 00:25:19.380
<v Laura Brooks>But where on the plate is that noise being produced?

450
00:25:20.220 --> 00:25:23.620
<v Laura Brooks>So again there's a lot of work that's been undertaken in that area

451
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<v Laura Brooks>And one of our PhD students, Elias

452
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<v Laura Brooks>Has been doing some experiments

453
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<v Laura Brooks>Using what's called an Aeroacoustic Beamformer

454
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<v Laura Brooks>That's the guy up there in the top left

455
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<v Laura Brooks>The idea is he's just got 63 microphones

456
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<v Laura Brooks>Located on the ceiling of our chamber

457
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<v Laura Brooks>And what he's doing is

458
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<v Laura Brooks>You can think about if you've got a sound source at a certain location

459
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<v Laura Brooks>Then I guess the distance that that sound has to travel from that location

460
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<v Laura Brooks>To each of those microphones is a tiny bit different

461
00:25:52.540 --> 00:25:56.200
<v Laura Brooks>So if you can record sound on all 63 at once

462
00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:59.520
<v Laura Brooks>And then go away and use your fancy computer to process it

463
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<v Laura Brooks>You can actually take that into account and locate the source

464
00:26:04.140 --> 00:26:05.780
<v Laura Brooks>And Elias has had a lot of success with that

465
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<v Laura Brooks>As an example on the right hand side there

466
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<v Laura Brooks>We've got flow flowing down past a rectangular plate

467
00:26:12.800 --> 00:26:15.960
<v Laura Brooks>And he's been able to localise a source near the trailing edge

468
00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:17.700
<v Laura Brooks>But that's still a work in progress

469
00:26:17.700 --> 00:26:20.640
<v Laura Brooks>So he should be doing some more exciting things with that soon

470
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<v Laura Brooks>Just as a little aside

471
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<v Laura Brooks>If we can play the sound for this one

472
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<v Laura Brooks>This one's actually producing a tonal noise

473
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<v Laura Brooks>So you can actually hear at about 2,000 hertz

474
00:26:33.300 --> 00:26:34.600
<v Laura Brooks>If you know your music

475
00:26:34.600 --> 00:26:36.920
<v Laura Brooks>You can hear a very sharp peak

476
00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:39.740
<v Laura Brooks>And so again he's trying to really understand

477
00:26:39.740 --> 00:26:42.320
<v Laura Brooks>Exactly where that tonal noise is being produced

478
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<v Laura Brooks>Because again there's varying theories

479
00:26:44.380 --> 00:26:46.360
<v Laura Brooks>Is it exactly at the trailing edge?

480
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<v Laura Brooks>Is it a little bit downstream?

481
00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:48.840
<v Laura Brooks>Is it upstream?

482
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<v Laura Brooks>And depending on where it is

483
00:26:51.220 --> 00:26:53.000
<v Laura Brooks>He can probably couple that to a theory

484
00:26:53.600 --> 00:26:56.700
<v Laura Brooks>Related to how the fluid mechanics creates the noise

485
00:26:59.600 --> 00:27:01.940
<v Laura Brooks>And the last thing I want to talk about I guess is

486
00:27:01.940 --> 00:27:03.320
<v Laura Brooks>Flipping back to wind turbines

487
00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:05.660
<v Laura Brooks>That's one application that probably

488
00:27:05.660 --> 00:27:07.540
<v Laura Brooks>A lot of people are interested in

489
00:27:08.100 --> 00:27:11.080
<v Laura Brooks>There's a lot of I guess news stories about wind turbines

490
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<v Laura Brooks>Because we are interested in climate change

491
00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:16.280
<v Laura Brooks>We are interested in renewable energy sources

492
00:27:16.280 --> 00:27:18.680
<v Laura Brooks>And thus more wind turbines are being developed

493
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:22.140
<v Laura Brooks>And wind turbine farms are being put out there in the real world

494
00:27:22.140 --> 00:27:24.860
<v Laura Brooks>Now there are people that have concerns regarding

495
00:27:24.860 --> 00:27:27.740
<v Laura Brooks>Potential health effects of noise created by these

496
00:27:27.740 --> 00:27:31.160
<v Laura Brooks>Now there are I guess medical people that can relate

497
00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:32.700
<v Laura Brooks>Well if you hear this noise

498
00:27:32.700 --> 00:27:33.920
<v Laura Brooks>How does it affect you?

499
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:36.040
<v Laura Brooks>That's beyond I guess my scope

500
00:27:36.040 --> 00:27:38.580
<v Laura Brooks>But my scope is being able to understand

501
00:27:38.580 --> 00:27:42.240
<v Laura Brooks>Well what noise is being produced by this wind turbine

502
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:46.860
<v Laura Brooks>And get an idea of what we can actually potentially do

503
00:27:46.860 --> 00:27:48.420
<v Laura Brooks>To reduce this noise

504
00:27:48.420 --> 00:27:52.600
<v Laura Brooks>Now what we've got here is a wind turbine measurement

505
00:27:52.600 --> 00:27:55.440
<v Laura Brooks>Which one of our post-doctoral research fellows

506
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:57.240
<v Laura Brooks>Danielle and you can see her sitting down there

507
00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:01.640
<v Laura Brooks>Took a few weeks ago up near Waterloo

508
00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:03.880
<v Laura Brooks>So that's at Waterloo, that's up near Clare

509
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:05.460
<v Laura Brooks>So if we can just play that one, thanks

510
00:28:05.460 --> 00:28:06.420
<v Laura Brooks>It won't be very loud but

511
00:28:07.280 --> 00:28:09.080
<v Laura Brooks>You can hear a swish maybe

512
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:14.620
<v Laura Brooks>So every second it swishes past

513
00:28:14.620 --> 00:28:17.140
<v Laura Brooks>Now that's what you actually get with a wind turbine noise

514
00:28:17.140 --> 00:28:18.040
<v Laura Brooks>It's a little bit unique

515
00:28:18.540 --> 00:28:22.200
<v Laura Brooks>And it's due to the fact that the acoustic sources

516
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:24.800
<v Laura Brooks>Have a directivity associated with them

517
00:28:24.800 --> 00:28:28.200
<v Laura Brooks>So they don't I guess propagate sound in all directions equally

518
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:30.880
<v Laura Brooks>So as this blade is moving round and round

519
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:32.480
<v Laura Brooks>There is sort of one location

520
00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:33.920
<v Laura Brooks>Depending on where you're standing

521
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:35.640
<v Laura Brooks>You'll hear the noise louder

522
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:38.800
<v Laura Brooks>So every time a blade passes you'll get a swish

523
00:28:39.800 --> 00:28:43.060
<v Laura Brooks>Now what that means is that if you hear this sound

524
00:28:43.060 --> 00:28:44.800
<v Laura Brooks>You're not hearing a constant sound

525
00:28:44.800 --> 00:28:46.640
<v Laura Brooks>And there are arguments that say

526
00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:50.920
<v Laura Brooks>Well if your sound amplitude is increasing and decreasing constantly

527
00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:53.440
<v Laura Brooks>That's going to be far more annoying potentially

528
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:55.160
<v Laura Brooks>Than if you've got a constant sound

529
00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:57.120
<v Laura Brooks>Now that kind of makes sense because

530
00:28:57.120 --> 00:29:00.400
<v Laura Brooks>When people have gone out and done studies and said with wind turbines

531
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:00.860
<v Laura Brooks>Hey, this is a sound that's going to be

532
00:29:00.860 --> 00:29:03.920
<v Laura Brooks>This is how much noise a wind turbine makes at this distance

533
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:05.480
<v Laura Brooks>How annoyed are you?

534
00:29:05.540 --> 00:29:08.620
<v Laura Brooks>They get much higher annoyance ratings than if they say to someone

535
00:29:08.620 --> 00:29:11.480
<v Laura Brooks>This is an aeroplane going past of the same sound

536
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:12.660
<v Laura Brooks>How annoying is that?

537
00:29:13.140 --> 00:29:16.580
<v Laura Brooks>So it has been documented that it seems to be a lot more annoying

538
00:29:16.580 --> 00:29:20.740
<v Laura Brooks>So I guess we're looking at the characteristics of the sound

539
00:29:20.740 --> 00:29:23.660
<v Laura Brooks>That are created which are different to other sound sources

540
00:29:23.660 --> 00:29:25.760
<v Laura Brooks>And hopefully from that we can I guess

541
00:29:26.560 --> 00:29:28.380
<v Laura Brooks>Put more of the jigsaw together

542
00:29:28.380 --> 00:29:30.740
<v Laura Brooks>Now I do admit we're

543
00:29:30.860 --> 00:29:32.200
<v Laura Brooks>Very early in this procedure

544
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:34.460
<v Laura Brooks>It's only these last few months that we've put together

545
00:29:34.460 --> 00:29:35.780
<v Laura Brooks>Our little sound collection device

546
00:29:36.460 --> 00:29:39.060
<v Laura Brooks>And we've only taken one set of measurements so far

547
00:29:39.060 --> 00:29:40.760
<v Laura Brooks>But over the next couple of years

548
00:29:40.760 --> 00:29:42.820
<v Laura Brooks>And with some more students etc

549
00:29:42.820 --> 00:29:46.000
<v Laura Brooks>We hope to be able to take some more measurements

550
00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:49.860
<v Laura Brooks>And work with other people to put together a bigger picture on this

551
00:29:50.500 --> 00:29:52.280
<v Laura Brooks>That pretty much brings me to an end

552
00:29:52.280 --> 00:29:53.620
<v Laura Brooks>I think I've had my half an hour

553
00:29:53.620 --> 00:29:55.320
<v Laura Brooks>So I'll get off the podium now

554
00:29:55.320 --> 00:29:56.840
<v Laura Brooks>And Chris and I can have a chat

555
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<v Chair>Thank you

556
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<v Chair>And please join me in thanking Laura

557
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<v Chair>Thank you

558
00:30:03.700 --> 00:30:07.280
<v Chair>I'm going to start with the hard question I guess

559
00:30:07.280 --> 00:30:10.400
<v Chair>Which is what sparked your interest in acoustics?

560
00:30:10.780 --> 00:30:14.300
<v Laura Brooks>I guess for me it's been a case of

561
00:30:14.300 --> 00:30:16.120
<v Laura Brooks>Sound advice is something you know

562
00:30:16.120 --> 00:30:17.780
<v Laura Brooks>When we want to talk to someone

563
00:30:17.780 --> 00:30:20.740
<v Laura Brooks>Most of us, 99 point something percent of us

564
00:30:20.740 --> 00:30:22.280
<v Laura Brooks>Are lucky in that we can

565
00:30:22.280 --> 00:30:24.880
<v Laura Brooks>We can hear things, we can talk, we can communicate

566
00:30:25.820 --> 00:30:28.820
<v Laura Brooks>If we're out walking around and we hear a sound

567
00:30:28.820 --> 00:30:30.280
<v Laura Brooks>That we associate with something bad

568
00:30:30.280 --> 00:30:31.720
<v Laura Brooks>We don't need to run and hide

569
00:30:32.280 --> 00:30:33.320
<v Laura Brooks>We know how to react

570
00:30:33.320 --> 00:30:35.280
<v Laura Brooks>And it's something that I guess

571
00:30:35.840 --> 00:30:36.980
<v Laura Brooks>We take for granted

572
00:30:36.980 --> 00:30:38.900
<v Laura Brooks>But it is so important to us

573
00:30:38.900 --> 00:30:40.920
<v Laura Brooks>For me I wanted to know more about it

574
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:43.860
<v Laura Brooks>Because as far as I guess communication in the ocean

575
00:30:43.860 --> 00:30:45.960
<v Laura Brooks>I'm into animals, I love marine mammals

576
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:47.760
<v Laura Brooks>I think it's fascinating that these creatures

577
00:30:48.280 --> 00:30:51.020
<v Laura Brooks>Are able to communicate so efficiently over large distances

578
00:30:51.700 --> 00:30:54.940
<v Laura Brooks>And so for me I'm interested in that

579
00:30:54.940 --> 00:30:56.820
<v Laura Brooks>And then for the air acoustics

580
00:30:56.820 --> 00:30:59.040
<v Laura Brooks>Again I guess I value my hearing

581
00:30:59.040 --> 00:31:03.260
<v Laura Brooks>I've had older relatives that have lost their hearing over the years

582
00:31:03.260 --> 00:31:05.320
<v Laura Brooks>And I know how hard that is for them

583
00:31:05.320 --> 00:31:08.020
<v Laura Brooks>And so for me to look at ways that we can make sure

584
00:31:08.020 --> 00:31:10.120
<v Laura Brooks>We're not exposed to larger sounds

585
00:31:10.120 --> 00:31:11.360
<v Laura Brooks>Is very very important

586
00:31:12.040 --> 00:31:12.340
<v Chair>That's great

587
00:31:12.340 --> 00:31:13.720
<v Chair>And I really appreciated what you said

588
00:31:14.220 --> 00:31:16.500
<v Chair>When Laura said sound is a really simple thing

589
00:31:16.500 --> 00:31:18.520
<v Chair>And she showed us that wave right at the start

590
00:31:18.520 --> 00:31:20.460
<v Chair>But then said understanding how it works

591
00:31:20.460 --> 00:31:21.380
<v Chair>Is so much more complex

592
00:31:21.380 --> 00:31:23.720
<v Chair>And the sound speed profile was something

593
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:24.820
<v Chair>I hadn't really appreciated before

594
00:31:26.060 --> 00:31:28.640
<v Chair>So what's your main research area now?

595
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:29.860
<v Chair>Ocean or air acoustics?

596
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:30.520
<v Chair>What are you working on?

597
00:31:30.540 --> 00:31:33.540
<v Laura Brooks>I guess at the moment I'm basically all working on air acoustics

598
00:31:33.540 --> 00:31:36.480
<v Laura Brooks>Because we're lucky and we have quite a dynamic group at the university

599
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:38.480
<v Laura Brooks>There's three academics, we've got a postdoc

600
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:40.420
<v Laura Brooks>More than half a dozen postgrad students

601
00:31:40.420 --> 00:31:42.020
<v Laura Brooks>That we can all work together

602
00:31:42.020 --> 00:31:43.620
<v Laura Brooks>And we can get a lot done in that area

603
00:31:43.620 --> 00:31:44.400
<v Laura Brooks>We have the facilities

604
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:47.180
<v Laura Brooks>So that's what I am working on currently

605
00:31:47.820 --> 00:31:49.240
<v Chair>So I'm curious about

606
00:31:49.740 --> 00:31:53.040
<v Chair>What do you, I mean you've gone through a little bit of postgrad research there

607
00:31:53.040 --> 00:31:56.120
<v Chair>So what do you think are the big things that you're hoping to uncover

608
00:31:56.120 --> 00:31:57.740
<v Chair>Or the future discoveries that might

609
00:31:57.740 --> 00:31:58.740
<v Chair>Make a difference

610
00:31:58.740 --> 00:32:01.600
<v Chair>What's yet to come in acoustics?

611
00:32:01.700 --> 00:32:04.580
<v Laura Brooks>Well I guess acoustics is a very broad field

612
00:32:04.580 --> 00:32:06.300
<v Laura Brooks>I've already talked about a couple of little aspects

613
00:32:06.300 --> 00:32:08.660
<v Laura Brooks>The ocean acoustics and the air acoustics

614
00:32:08.660 --> 00:32:09.820
<v Laura Brooks>So I'll focus on that

615
00:32:09.820 --> 00:32:13.140
<v Laura Brooks>But if you were to ask someone in psychoacoustics

616
00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:13.780
<v Laura Brooks>Or something like that

617
00:32:13.780 --> 00:32:15.340
<v Laura Brooks>They would give you a completely different answer

618
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:17.580
<v Laura Brooks>In underwater acoustics again

619
00:32:17.580 --> 00:32:19.420
<v Laura Brooks>We're very aware that the environment

620
00:32:19.420 --> 00:32:21.160
<v Laura Brooks>Is affecting the noise propagation

621
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:24.560
<v Laura Brooks>And so it really just is a case of developing

622
00:32:25.620 --> 00:32:27.100
<v Laura Brooks>Ever increasing better

623
00:32:27.940 --> 00:32:29.480
<v Laura Brooks>Models of the environment

624
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:31.020
<v Laura Brooks>And being able to relate those

625
00:32:32.040 --> 00:32:33.820
<v Laura Brooks>More appropriately to the sound

626
00:32:33.820 --> 00:32:35.920
<v Laura Brooks>Because there's still a little bit of guesswork in there

627
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:37.880
<v Laura Brooks>And the better we can make that model

628
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:39.440
<v Laura Brooks>The better the communication

629
00:32:40.100 --> 00:32:42.240
<v Laura Brooks>And sonar possibilities will be

630
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:44.880
<v Laura Brooks>So I think that's very incremental

631
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:46.380
<v Laura Brooks>Down in that area

632
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:49.000
<v Laura Brooks>For the air acoustics

633
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.340
<v Laura Brooks>I guess I think I mentioned during my talk

634
00:32:53.340 --> 00:32:55.320
<v Laura Brooks>That a lot of the redesign is very ad hoc

635
00:32:55.320 --> 00:32:56.840
<v Laura Brooks>There is a lot of

636
00:32:57.100 --> 00:32:58.780
<v Laura Brooks>Excellent theory out there

637
00:32:58.780 --> 00:33:00.380
<v Laura Brooks>That started back in the 50s

638
00:33:00.380 --> 00:33:01.300
<v Laura Brooks>And has worked since then

639
00:33:01.300 --> 00:33:02.980
<v Laura Brooks>And a lot of experimental results

640
00:33:02.980 --> 00:33:06.260
<v Laura Brooks>To back up ideas of how the sound is being generated

641
00:33:06.260 --> 00:33:08.400
<v Laura Brooks>And what we can do to reduce it

642
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:11.040
<v Laura Brooks>But whenever we actually do go and try this

643
00:33:11.040 --> 00:33:11.860
<v Laura Brooks>It is always like

644
00:33:11.860 --> 00:33:13.220
<v Laura Brooks>Well we think this should work

645
00:33:13.220 --> 00:33:15.420
<v Laura Brooks>Let's try it and then measure it

646
00:33:15.420 --> 00:33:18.140
<v Laura Brooks>And it never does exactly what we think it's going to do

647
00:33:18.140 --> 00:33:19.320
<v Laura Brooks>Sometimes it's not so good

648
00:33:19.320 --> 00:33:20.560
<v Laura Brooks>Every now and then it's better

649
00:33:20.560 --> 00:33:22.580
<v Laura Brooks>And we get very excited

650
00:33:22.580 --> 00:33:25.020
<v Laura Brooks>And go and publish how wonderful our new design is

651
00:33:25.020 --> 00:33:27.080
<v Laura Brooks>But it would be much better if we

652
00:33:27.100 --> 00:33:31.240
<v Laura Brooks>We can have a more accurate model

653
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:34.780
<v Laura Brooks>Such that we can start with our initial design

654
00:33:34.780 --> 00:33:35.920
<v Laura Brooks>And go well this is what it's doing

655
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:38.220
<v Laura Brooks>And then have a better procedure

656
00:33:38.220 --> 00:33:39.140
<v Laura Brooks>For being able to go

657
00:33:39.140 --> 00:33:40.640
<v Laura Brooks>Okay well this is what we are going to design

658
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:42.320
<v Laura Brooks>And we know before we test it

659
00:33:42.320 --> 00:33:43.740
<v Laura Brooks>That it is going to be the best solution

660
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<v Laura Brooks>Obviously you still have to test it

661
00:33:45.340 --> 00:33:46.900
<v Laura Brooks>But it won't be an iterative approach

662
00:33:46.900 --> 00:33:49.120
<v Laura Brooks>And you will get a better outcome overall

663
00:33:49.760 --> 00:33:52.960
<v Chair>So understanding that allows you to design things in a better way

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<v Chair>Yeah

665
00:33:53.300 --> 00:33:54.880
<v Chair>What sort of things

666
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:56.360
<v Chair>So we've talked about wind turbines

667
00:33:56.360 --> 00:33:56.860
<v Chair>Yeah

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00:33:57.100 --> 00:33:58.220
<v Laura Brooks>I mean I guess for us in Australia

669
00:33:58.220 --> 00:34:01.060
<v Laura Brooks>We're not going to go away and develop a new wind turbine

670
00:34:01.460 --> 00:34:02.860
<v Laura Brooks>The whole wind turbine

671
00:34:02.860 --> 00:34:04.880
<v Laura Brooks>Because I mean they are all currently designed overseas

672
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:08.220
<v Laura Brooks>But there are ways that we can look at potentially retrofitting things

673
00:34:08.220 --> 00:34:10.480
<v Laura Brooks>And also something that I didn't really touch upon

674
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:12.100
<v Laura Brooks>But something that I guess you can appreciate

675
00:34:12.100 --> 00:34:16.100
<v Laura Brooks>Is that when we look at a single wind turbine by itself

676
00:34:16.500 --> 00:34:18.340
<v Laura Brooks>The noise that you get is going to be very different

677
00:34:18.340 --> 00:34:20.300
<v Laura Brooks>To when you go and stand outside a wind farm

678
00:34:20.300 --> 00:34:22.960
<v Laura Brooks>Where you've got you know 20 wind turbines

679
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:23.940
<v Laura Brooks>That you might be able to see

680
00:34:23.940 --> 00:34:26.660
<v Laura Brooks>And they can interact in a very interesting way

681
00:34:26.660 --> 00:34:30.160
<v Laura Brooks>And I guess understanding how they will interact together

682
00:34:31.460 --> 00:34:32.640
<v Laura Brooks>More in a better

683
00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:34.480
<v Laura Brooks>In an improved way

684
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.960
<v Laura Brooks>Will mean that we can actually I guess design the wind farm better

685
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:39.820
<v Laura Brooks>And place them in more appropriate locations

686
00:34:39.820 --> 00:34:42.640
<v Laura Brooks>Such that they produce less noise

687
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<v Chair>So that's a bit I guess about what your area is doing

688
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:47.160
<v Chair>And what your group is doing

689
00:34:47.160 --> 00:34:48.740
<v Chair>What's actually next for you though

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00:34:48.740 --> 00:34:50.020
<v Chair>Because it's not the same thing is it

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00:34:50.020 --> 00:34:50.560
<v Laura Brooks>No no

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<v Laura Brooks>In the next few months I'll be working on that

693
00:34:52.560 --> 00:34:55.440
<v Laura Brooks>And hope to stay involved with that in the future

694
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:56.340
<v Laura Brooks>But I'll actually be

695
00:34:56.340 --> 00:34:58.580
<v Laura Brooks>Moving on in out to industry

696
00:34:58.580 --> 00:35:01.800
<v Laura Brooks>And I'll be working I guess in the research and development side

697
00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:03.920
<v Laura Brooks>Down at the Australian Submarine Corporation

698
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:07.340
<v Laura Brooks>So hopefully have the opportunity to go back to some of my underwater acoustics

699
00:35:08.080 --> 00:35:10.420
<v Laura Brooks>And one thing I'm looking forward to about that

700
00:35:10.420 --> 00:35:12.760
<v Laura Brooks>Is that I'll have I guess the opportunity to

701
00:35:13.240 --> 00:35:15.400
<v Laura Brooks>I guess see my ideas and methods

702
00:35:16.420 --> 00:35:18.440
<v Laura Brooks>Actually implemented directly

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00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:21.160
<v Laura Brooks>Because when you're in academia a lot of the work that you do

704
00:35:21.160 --> 00:35:21.940
<v Laura Brooks>Is very fundamental

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00:35:21.940 --> 00:35:23.340
<v Laura Brooks>And it's very important

706
00:35:23.340 --> 00:35:26.320
<v Laura Brooks>And it is used by others to then apply to your work

707
00:35:26.340 --> 00:35:27.300
<v Laura Brooks>And to particular applications

708
00:35:27.300 --> 00:35:30.360
<v Laura Brooks>But you don't have as much chance to do that application yourself

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00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:32.620
<v Laura Brooks>So that'll be something which will be under due

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<v Chair>I really like that response Chris

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00:35:34.980 --> 00:35:38.620
<v Chair>To me that sort of echoes a lot of my initial discussion with Laura

712
00:35:38.620 --> 00:35:39.820
<v Chair>When we were planning for this session

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00:35:39.820 --> 00:35:42.580
<v Chair>About that passion in understanding how things work

714
00:35:42.580 --> 00:35:45.100
<v Chair>And then being able to apply it to a certain area

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00:35:45.100 --> 00:35:48.100
<v Chair>I can't help thinking back to your tangent though

716
00:35:48.100 --> 00:35:51.220
<v Chair>Where you showed us where they had to go back down

717
00:35:51.220 --> 00:35:52.840
<v Chair>And pick up your data off the sea floor

718
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:56.320
<v Chair>And I imagine you out on the shore

719
00:35:56.340 --> 00:35:57.100
<v Chair>And you went and watched it for two and a half weeks

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<v Chair>I mean that sounds like an amazing adventure

721
00:35:58.900 --> 00:36:00.940
<v Chair>And obviously you've got good results

722
00:36:00.940 --> 00:36:02.260
<v Chair>You've got a PhD out there

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<v Chair>What has been your favourite adventure from the work that you've done so far?

724
00:36:07.340 --> 00:36:09.140
<v Laura Brooks>I guess my favourite adventure

725
00:36:09.980 --> 00:36:11.820
<v Laura Brooks>It's been hard but travelling overseas

726
00:36:12.340 --> 00:36:15.300
<v Laura Brooks>Both the work I've done in the US and the work in New Zealand

727
00:36:15.300 --> 00:36:18.680
<v Laura Brooks>Has really been I guess a defining period for me

728
00:36:18.680 --> 00:36:21.480
<v Laura Brooks>I mean I've had the option to meet some fascinating people

729
00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:23.260
<v Laura Brooks>When I first went over to the US

730
00:36:23.260 --> 00:36:25.620
<v Laura Brooks>And met the other grad students over there

731
00:36:25.620 --> 00:36:26.320
<v Laura Brooks>There was a Canadian

732
00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:29.280
<v Laura Brooks>A guy who had sailed from Canada to Australia the year before

733
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:33.520
<v Laura Brooks>There was other people that had done fascinating things

734
00:36:33.520 --> 00:36:36.360
<v Laura Brooks>There were well rounded people that had an area of research

735
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:37.560
<v Laura Brooks>That they really wanted to do

736
00:36:37.560 --> 00:36:40.600
<v Laura Brooks>And thus like me they had gone from their overseas country

737
00:36:40.600 --> 00:36:43.060
<v Laura Brooks>To this research group in the US

738
00:36:43.060 --> 00:36:44.020
<v Laura Brooks>And they were working on it

739
00:36:44.020 --> 00:36:45.880
<v Laura Brooks>So they were really passionate well balanced people

740
00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:49.260
<v Laura Brooks>That I guess I was able to get to know and learn a lot from

741
00:36:49.260 --> 00:36:53.980
<v Laura Brooks>And I was able to I guess work with people in a different way

742
00:36:53.980 --> 00:36:54.720
<v Laura Brooks>To what you do here

743
00:36:54.720 --> 00:36:56.060
<v Laura Brooks>And the same in New Zealand

744
00:36:56.720 --> 00:36:58.040
<v Laura Brooks>Just very very different environment

745
00:36:58.040 --> 00:37:00.860
<v Laura Brooks>That you open yourself up to things that you can't

746
00:37:00.860 --> 00:37:02.880
<v Laura Brooks>No matter how long you stay in the one place

747
00:37:03.520 --> 00:37:05.280
<v Chair>Is that what you find inspiring?

748
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:06.900
<v Chair>What inspires you?

749
00:37:07.020 --> 00:37:07.720
<v Laura Brooks>Yeah absolutely

750
00:37:07.720 --> 00:37:09.560
<v Laura Brooks>I mean when I work with other people

751
00:37:09.560 --> 00:37:12.120
<v Laura Brooks>That I see have a real passion for what they do

752
00:37:12.720 --> 00:37:13.840
<v Laura Brooks>That inspires me

753
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:20.260
<v Laura Brooks>And I guess something that's been really important in my life up to now

754
00:37:20.260 --> 00:37:24.700
<v Laura Brooks>Has been inspiration I've received from mentors along the way

755
00:37:24.700 --> 00:37:28.120
<v Laura Brooks>A couple of my school teachers even when I was back at high school

756
00:37:28.120 --> 00:37:29.640
<v Laura Brooks>In the science and maths department

757
00:37:29.640 --> 00:37:31.320
<v Laura Brooks>They got excited about science

758
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:33.060
<v Laura Brooks>They got passionate about mathematics

759
00:37:33.700 --> 00:37:35.000
<v Laura Brooks>There was nothing more exciting than

760
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:37.340
<v Laura Brooks>Let's go and look at the Pythagorean theorem today

761
00:37:37.340 --> 00:37:40.480
<v Laura Brooks>And not everyone got excited by that

762
00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:41.720
<v Laura Brooks>But that really rubbed off on me

763
00:37:41.720 --> 00:37:44.320
<v Laura Brooks>And then I guess at universities and undergrads

764
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.380
<v Laura Brooks>Some of my lecturers I could tell that they were

765
00:37:46.380 --> 00:37:48.940
<v Laura Brooks>They really had an excellent understanding

766
00:37:48.940 --> 00:37:50.420
<v Laura Brooks>Not just of what they were teaching

767
00:37:50.420 --> 00:37:52.240
<v Laura Brooks>But of other things as well

768
00:37:52.240 --> 00:37:53.620
<v Laura Brooks>And again they were so passionate

769
00:37:53.620 --> 00:37:55.140
<v Laura Brooks>And wanted to share that with us

770
00:37:55.140 --> 00:37:58.100
<v Laura Brooks>And some of them have since become I guess big mentors

771
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:00.360
<v Laura Brooks>Throughout my time since then

772
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:02.820
<v Laura Brooks>And as my supervisors throughout my PhD

773
00:38:02.820 --> 00:38:05.620
<v Laura Brooks>Again just the inspiration they gave me

774
00:38:05.620 --> 00:38:06.980
<v Laura Brooks>I guess not just by being passionate

775
00:38:06.980 --> 00:38:10.380
<v Laura Brooks>But also by showing the confidence in me

776
00:38:10.380 --> 00:38:14.180
<v Laura Brooks>And their reaction to when I was bringing new results to them

777
00:38:14.180 --> 00:38:15.480
<v Laura Brooks>And they were really supportive of that

778
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:17.980
<v Laura Brooks>That's been really really important to me

779
00:38:17.980 --> 00:38:20.600
<v Chair>Is that something you feel compelled to do as well?

780
00:38:20.700 --> 00:38:22.040
<v Chair>To share your

781
00:38:22.040 --> 00:38:22.680
<v Chair>Yeah

782
00:38:22.680 --> 00:38:23.600
<v Chair>I mean obviously

783
00:38:23.620 --> 00:38:25.600
<v Chair>You're here sharing your passion for acoustics today

784
00:38:25.600 --> 00:38:26.260
<v Chair>Yeah

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00:38:26.260 --> 00:38:26.960
<v Laura Brooks>I think so

786
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:28.160
<v Laura Brooks>I mean I think for me

787
00:38:28.160 --> 00:38:29.640
<v Laura Brooks>I mean I get passionate about a lot of things

788
00:38:29.640 --> 00:38:30.660
<v Laura Brooks>But science is one of them

789
00:38:30.660 --> 00:38:33.240
<v Laura Brooks>And science is something I deal with every day of my life

790
00:38:33.240 --> 00:38:35.380
<v Laura Brooks>And I think if you do get passionate about something

791
00:38:35.380 --> 00:38:37.940
<v Laura Brooks>Regardless of whether it's science or art or sport

792
00:38:37.940 --> 00:38:39.300
<v Laura Brooks>Or whatever it is

793
00:38:39.300 --> 00:38:42.340
<v Laura Brooks>It's really important to share that passion with other people

794
00:38:42.340 --> 00:38:43.340
<v Laura Brooks>And so I spend

795
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:46.280
<v Laura Brooks>You know I quite often go out to high schools

796
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:48.620
<v Laura Brooks>And talk to students about engineering

797
00:38:48.620 --> 00:38:50.460
<v Laura Brooks>Or my career or things like that

798
00:38:50.460 --> 00:38:52.520
<v Laura Brooks>Just to I guess give them a bit of a taste of

799
00:38:52.520 --> 00:38:53.740
<v Laura Brooks>Hey this is what I do

800
00:38:53.740 --> 00:38:54.940
<v Laura Brooks>This is a path I've taken

801
00:38:55.520 --> 00:38:56.580
<v Laura Brooks>This is why I've loved it

802
00:38:56.580 --> 00:38:58.400
<v Laura Brooks>And hopefully some of them have gone

803
00:38:58.400 --> 00:38:59.880
<v Laura Brooks>Hey that's of interest to me

804
00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:01.320
<v Laura Brooks>And maybe there's one or two that went

805
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:03.040
<v Laura Brooks>Oh I thought that was interesting

806
00:39:03.040 --> 00:39:04.040
<v Laura Brooks>But maybe it's not anymore

807
00:39:04.040 --> 00:39:06.400
<v Laura Brooks>That's you know the decision that's helped them decide

808
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:07.400
<v Laura Brooks>What they're passionate about

809
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:09.740
<v Laura Brooks>That's still you know really an excellent thing I think

810
00:39:09.740 --> 00:39:12.940
<v Laura Brooks>So I think it's important that no matter what you're interested in

811
00:39:12.940 --> 00:39:13.880
<v Laura Brooks>If you're passionate about it

812
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:14.760
<v Laura Brooks>Just share it

813
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:17.600
<v Chair>Oh I'm really grateful that you shared your passion with us today

814
00:39:17.600 --> 00:39:21.720
<v Chair>Because I'm very inspired by hearing those particular details

815
00:39:21.720 --> 00:39:23.580
<v Chair>About the research that Laura shared

816
00:39:23.580 --> 00:39:25.940
<v Chair>But also getting an insight into some of you know

817
00:39:25.940 --> 00:39:27.920
<v Chair>The places that you've been and the work that you're doing

818
00:39:28.540 --> 00:39:31.820
<v Chair>So I'm sure you have questions for Laura about either her work

819
00:39:31.820 --> 00:39:35.760
<v Chair>Or her experiences as a PhD student and postdoc

820
00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:36.360
<v Chair>And where she's going

821
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:38.640
<v Chair>So if you do can I just ask you to come up to the microphone

822
00:39:38.640 --> 00:39:40.400
<v Chair>Because we are being recorded for radio

823
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:41.880
<v Chair>And ask away

824
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:43.940
<v Chair>Thank you Laura for that wonderful talk

825
00:39:43.940 --> 00:39:46.920
<v Speaker 3>I noticed you referred to wind turbines

826
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:50.260
<v Speaker 3>And the submarine cooperation and defence technologies

827
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:51.700
<v Speaker 3>But I just wanted to ask you

828
00:39:51.720 --> 00:39:53.520
<v Speaker 3>I just wondered in terms of a built environment

829
00:39:53.520 --> 00:39:56.700
<v Speaker 3>And increasing density and increasing noise pollution

830
00:39:56.700 --> 00:39:58.060
<v Speaker 3>To put it simply

831
00:39:58.720 --> 00:40:00.860
<v Speaker 3>Is anything that you've come across

832
00:40:00.860 --> 00:40:03.340
<v Speaker 3>Or anywhere connected to your research

833
00:40:03.340 --> 00:40:05.880
<v Speaker 3>Is dealing with shall we say

834
00:40:06.720 --> 00:40:08.320
<v Speaker 3>Like dealing with a domestic environment

835
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:13.600
<v Speaker 3>To reduce noise that may come from whatever these technologies are

836
00:40:13.600 --> 00:40:16.320
<v Laura Brooks>Well I myself haven't done a lot of work in that area

837
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:19.300
<v Laura Brooks>But there is a lot of work that is done in that area

838
00:40:19.300 --> 00:40:21.500
<v Laura Brooks>And there are people at our university

839
00:40:21.720 --> 00:40:22.920
<v Laura Brooks>And other universities that do that

840
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:25.900
<v Laura Brooks>But there are actually acoustic consulting companies out there

841
00:40:25.900 --> 00:40:26.680
<v Laura Brooks>That that is their job

842
00:40:26.680 --> 00:40:28.560
<v Laura Brooks>If there's a new development going up

843
00:40:28.560 --> 00:40:30.020
<v Laura Brooks>They go in and they work out

844
00:40:30.020 --> 00:40:32.700
<v Laura Brooks>Well how can we design this for the given environment

845
00:40:32.700 --> 00:40:36.160
<v Laura Brooks>Such that people aren't going to have intrusive noise inside

846
00:40:36.160 --> 00:40:40.060
<v Laura Brooks>So yeah there's a big industry out for that

847
00:40:40.060 --> 00:40:42.980
<v Speaker 3>Yeah so it's just a matter of looking it up on the internet

848
00:40:42.980 --> 00:40:44.740
<v Laura Brooks>Absolutely I mean if you Googled

849
00:40:44.740 --> 00:40:46.880
<v Laura Brooks>Well I probably shouldn't say Google I should say

850
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:51.500
<v Laura Brooks>If you web searched acoustic consulting company

851
00:40:51.500 --> 00:40:53.260
<v Laura Brooks>That you'd get a huge long list

852
00:40:53.260 --> 00:40:55.220
<v Laura Brooks>And they all have expertise in that area

853
00:40:55.220 --> 00:41:00.220
<v Speaker 3>And it works along the lines of that little shed thing that you showed

854
00:41:00.220 --> 00:41:02.380
<v Laura Brooks>No I guess that's for us

855
00:41:02.380 --> 00:41:06.500
<v Laura Brooks>That's just one way in which we can measure noise

856
00:41:06.500 --> 00:41:10.680
<v Laura Brooks>But there's a lot of other I guess experimental and analytical things

857
00:41:10.680 --> 00:41:13.420
<v Laura Brooks>That can be done either in a laboratory environment

858
00:41:13.420 --> 00:41:14.500
<v Laura Brooks>Or out in the field

859
00:41:14.500 --> 00:41:16.500
<v Laura Brooks>For a lot of consultants for them

860
00:41:16.500 --> 00:41:20.700
<v Laura Brooks>They're not so concerned about the details of the fundamentals

861
00:41:20.700 --> 00:41:21.480
<v Laura Brooks>They're more concerned about the

862
00:41:21.500 --> 00:41:23.320
<v Laura Brooks>Well for this practical application

863
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:25.200
<v Laura Brooks>This scenario what's best to do

864
00:41:25.200 --> 00:41:27.760
<v Laura Brooks>So they'll go out to the field and physically measure

865
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:29.880
<v Laura Brooks>Well what can we hear what's contributing to that

866
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:30.980
<v Laura Brooks>What can we do to improve that

867
00:41:30.980 --> 00:41:32.100
<v Laura Brooks>And how can we reduce it

868
00:41:32.100 --> 00:41:32.460
<v Speaker 3>Yeah

869
00:41:33.120 --> 00:41:34.500
<v Speaker 3>Okay thank you very much

870
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.900
<v Chair>Yes I had an interesting discussion with a friend of mine

871
00:41:37.900 --> 00:41:39.320
<v Chair>Who does that sort of

872
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:40.920
<v Chair>Who does acoustic consulting

873
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:42.600
<v Chair>But he does it from the point of view of

874
00:41:43.020 --> 00:41:45.940
<v Chair>Understanding some of the patterns of how wind moves around buildings

875
00:41:45.940 --> 00:41:47.920
<v Chair>And modelling that

876
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:49.180
<v Chair>Which I think goes back to what you're saying

877
00:41:49.180 --> 00:41:51.420
<v Chair>The more you can understand how that sounds

878
00:41:51.420 --> 00:41:52.060
<v Chair>And how that sound actually works

879
00:41:52.060 --> 00:41:53.820
<v Chair>And what the path looks like

880
00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:57.000
<v Chair>Given all of those real world interferences

881
00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:58.420
<v Chair>The better you can then design things

882
00:41:58.420 --> 00:41:59.500
<v Chair>Which I think is really interesting

883
00:42:00.140 --> 00:42:01.620
<v Chair>Have we got another question for Lauren?

884
00:42:01.720 --> 00:42:02.300
<v Chair>Thank you

885
00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:03.980
<v Speaker 4>Thanks Lauren

886
00:42:03.980 --> 00:42:09.760
<v Speaker 4>Just discussing the air blade trailing edge work you've been doing

887
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:12.740
<v Speaker 4>Given that all of that noise that's being created off the back

888
00:42:12.740 --> 00:42:13.920
<v Speaker 4>Is a waste of energy

889
00:42:14.380 --> 00:42:17.820
<v Speaker 4>Is there some dividend for modifying the design of these things

890
00:42:17.820 --> 00:42:20.640
<v Speaker 4>Which would be economically viable to get someone to do it

891
00:42:20.640 --> 00:42:22.100
<v Speaker 4>And save that energy?

892
00:42:23.980 --> 00:42:24.540
<v Laura Brooks>Potentially

893
00:42:24.540 --> 00:42:29.280
<v Laura Brooks>I mean I guess if you're wanting to change the design of the trailing edge

894
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:30.280
<v Laura Brooks>To reduce the noise

895
00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:34.800
<v Laura Brooks>You are correct that there is an added bonus of having a more efficient mechanism

896
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.660
<v Laura Brooks>And thus you use less energy to create something

897
00:42:37.660 --> 00:42:40.260
<v Laura Brooks>Or you're wasting less energy in a conversion

898
00:42:40.260 --> 00:42:44.780
<v Laura Brooks>I haven't done the sums regarding how much it would cost

899
00:42:44.780 --> 00:42:47.340
<v Laura Brooks>But if you're looking at two things hey

900
00:42:47.340 --> 00:42:49.440
<v Laura Brooks>Increased efficiency and reducing noise

901
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:53.560
<v Laura Brooks>That's the second one of which is very hard to put a dollar value to

902
00:42:53.560 --> 00:42:57.000
<v Laura Brooks>I definitely believe that it could be economically viable

903
00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.520
<v Speaker 4>Because you said these are all designed overseas

904
00:42:59.520 --> 00:43:03.360
<v Speaker 4>And maybe different countries have different incentives to do these things

905
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:04.660
<v Laura Brooks>For wind turbines in particular

906
00:43:04.660 --> 00:43:09.860
<v Laura Brooks>I mean it would probably be more of a case that the information would have to propagate back to the designing company

907
00:43:10.440 --> 00:43:14.080
<v Laura Brooks>And they would more likely take that into account in future designs

908
00:43:14.080 --> 00:43:18.880
<v Laura Brooks>I mean I guess retrofitting is what you would do when you're trying to proof of concept type of thing

909
00:43:19.500 --> 00:43:23.520
<v Laura Brooks>I can't see them going and taking a new design

910
00:43:23.520 --> 00:43:25.820
<v Laura Brooks>And going and retrofitting all of the wind turbines here

911
00:43:25.820 --> 00:43:31.060
<v Laura Brooks>What we can do however is give them a good idea of where to place the wind turbines

912
00:43:31.060 --> 00:43:31.860
<v Laura Brooks>Well we can't do that yet

913
00:43:31.860 --> 00:43:34.980
<v Laura Brooks>But hopefully that's what people will be able to do once they better understand it

914
00:43:34.980 --> 00:43:38.900
<v Speaker 4>Because Boeing would get extremely excited about saving 1%

915
00:43:39.380 --> 00:43:39.860
<v Speaker 4>Yes

916
00:43:39.860 --> 00:43:41.240
<v Speaker 4>On the design of their wings

917
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:46.240
<v Laura Brooks>Yes because aviation fuel is very expensive and they travel long distances yes

918
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:47.720
<v Speaker 4>Okay thank you

919
00:43:56.320 --> 00:44:00.780
<v Audience>I had a question about wind turbine syndrome

920
00:44:00.780 --> 00:44:05.280
<v Audience>If we just put aside the idea that it might be psychosomatic

921
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:09.360
<v Audience>And just assume it's actually a medical condition

922
00:44:10.500 --> 00:44:16.780
<v Audience>I wondered because some people who live underneath wind turbines claim that they're fine

923
00:44:16.780 --> 00:44:18.740
<v Audience>And other people who actually

924
00:44:18.740 --> 00:44:18.860
<v Audience>Yes

925
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:25.000
<v Audience>Live much further away and almost can't hear them claim that they're affecting them

926
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:32.700
<v Audience>I wondered if it's possible that what's affecting them is inaudible or subaudible noise

927
00:44:32.700 --> 00:44:39.760
<v Audience>And also if so whether there's any work being done on effects on animals

928
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:44.260
<v Laura Brooks>That has been hypothesised that it is what's called infrasound

929
00:44:44.260 --> 00:44:47.900
<v Laura Brooks>Which is below 20 hertz so below what we can hear

930
00:44:47.900 --> 00:44:49.880
<v Laura Brooks>That hypothesis has been put forward

931
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:52.900
<v Laura Brooks>It's still I guess yet to be validated how

932
00:44:54.020 --> 00:44:57.780
<v Laura Brooks>Whether that's a valid hypothesis and if so what it's actually creating

933
00:44:57.780 --> 00:45:03.260
<v Laura Brooks>I don't know of direct experiments they've done with animals

934
00:45:03.260 --> 00:45:07.620
<v Laura Brooks>But I do know that there have been I guess claims published

935
00:45:07.620 --> 00:45:11.320
<v Laura Brooks>Where people have said in certain countries my cows are getting sick and things like that

936
00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:14.580
<v Laura Brooks>So there are people that are concerned that it is affecting animals

937
00:45:14.580 --> 00:45:17.880
<v Laura Brooks>Whether or not it is I don't have the expertise to comment on it

938
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:19.660
<v Laura Brooks>But I guess the effect on people or animals

939
00:45:19.660 --> 00:45:27.360
<v Audience>Because I know military jets that fly through valleys where there are farm animals

940
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:32.760
<v Audience>Have been accused of causing high rates of miscarriage in cows and sheep that sort of thing

941
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:37.560
<v Audience>And you know you were saying that this could almost have more of an effect

942
00:45:37.560 --> 00:45:41.260
<v Audience>Than something that starts and finishes and then goes away

943
00:45:41.860 --> 00:45:46.900
<v Laura Brooks>I mean again if you do have something that's always there it is important to see what are the long term effects

944
00:45:46.900 --> 00:45:51.660
<v Laura Brooks>I was reading recently a wind turbine study where they were recording some wind turbine noise

945
00:45:51.660 --> 00:45:56.580
<v Laura Brooks>And then playing it back to people and they were playing back different levels for 30 second periods

946
00:45:56.580 --> 00:45:58.480
<v Laura Brooks>And they got some interesting results from that

947
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:02.640
<v Laura Brooks>But you know you don't know are they going to get the same I guess levels of annoyance

948
00:46:02.640 --> 00:46:05.280
<v Laura Brooks>As if that person sits by the wind turbine for two weeks

949
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:07.840
<v Laura Brooks>And that's something that's still not fully known

950
00:46:08.680 --> 00:46:10.600
<v Laura Brooks>And again I mean the effects on people and animals

951
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:14.980
<v Laura Brooks>Again we know that if you go to the show say and you jump on the roller coaster

952
00:46:14.980 --> 00:46:16.880
<v Laura Brooks>And you and a friend both get on there and you both eat a meal

953
00:46:16.900 --> 00:46:17.400
<v Laura Brooks>And you do the same thing

954
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:21.980
<v Laura Brooks>One of you might get very sick and one of you might be fine and having the time of your life

955
00:46:21.980 --> 00:46:25.800
<v Laura Brooks>It could be very similar with effects of noise on people

956
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:28.780
<v Laura Brooks>Some people will be more susceptible to certain effects than others

957
00:46:28.780 --> 00:46:31.580
<v Laura Brooks>And there are I guess people more on the medical side

958
00:46:31.580 --> 00:46:33.540
<v Laura Brooks>That are doing a lot of research into that

959
00:46:33.540 --> 00:46:38.020
<v Laura Brooks>And we hope to be able to align our research with theirs

960
00:46:38.020 --> 00:46:40.860
<v Laura Brooks>But hopefully they'll be able to answer some more of those questions

961
00:46:43.260 --> 00:46:44.180
<v Chair>Got another question?

962
00:46:47.480 --> 00:46:48.080
<v Chair>Not yet

963
00:46:48.600 --> 00:46:51.280
<v Chair>I'm interested in the data collection side

964
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:54.400
<v Chair>I still can't get over picking up the box from the bottom of the ocean

965
00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:57.300
<v Chair>And how frightening that must have been just to see three years of research

966
00:46:57.840 --> 00:46:59.300
<v Chair>Potentially not being able to be rescued

967
00:47:02.120 --> 00:47:05.800
<v Chair>But obviously to be able to successfully model such a complex system

968
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:07.440
<v Chair>You're obviously collecting lots of data

969
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:10.860
<v Chair>So what sort of tools and what sort of other disciplines do you need to pull on

970
00:47:10.860 --> 00:47:14.820
<v Chair>To be able to get the results that you need to be able to produce better design?

971
00:47:15.180 --> 00:47:16.880
<v Laura Brooks>Okay well I guess you obviously need to know

972
00:47:16.900 --> 00:47:18.800
<v Laura Brooks>To have a strong understanding of the mathematics

973
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:21.100
<v Laura Brooks>Then you need to take that mathematics

974
00:47:21.100 --> 00:47:26.060
<v Laura Brooks>And I guess use computer programming to take your data

975
00:47:26.060 --> 00:47:28.260
<v Laura Brooks>Take the fundamental physics and maths

976
00:47:28.260 --> 00:47:30.400
<v Laura Brooks>And the information you know about the environment

977
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:35.180
<v Laura Brooks>And plug that all into a model which hopefully realistically

978
00:47:37.420 --> 00:47:39.580
<v Laura Brooks>Projects what is happening in your situation

979
00:47:39.580 --> 00:47:43.620
<v Laura Brooks>And you need a lot of computing power for some of these applications

980
00:47:43.620 --> 00:47:45.440
<v Laura Brooks>And signalization

981
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:45.800
<v Laura Brooks>Yeah

982
00:47:46.900 --> 00:47:47.240
<v Laura Brooks>And then you need to do the audio processing

983
00:47:47.240 --> 00:47:48.900
<v Laura Brooks>So that's I guess more electrical engineering

984
00:47:48.900 --> 00:47:53.960
<v Laura Brooks>Where you take things and you do lots of fares for things in the time domain

985
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:55.380
<v Laura Brooks>And also the frequency domain

986
00:47:56.760 --> 00:48:01.020
<v Laura Brooks>And you I guess pull out the bits you need and discard the bits you don't

987
00:48:01.020 --> 00:48:03.640
<v Chair>I just think that's really interesting to think about

988
00:48:03.640 --> 00:48:05.880
<v Chair>You know when I started the session and we talked about trying to understand

989
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:06.880
<v Chair>The way the world works

990
00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:11.800
<v Chair>We've heard very a lot around your specific area of acoustics

991
00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:14.580
<v Chair>But we've also pulled on you know obviously medical studies

992
00:48:14.580 --> 00:48:15.720
<v Chair>Electrical engineering

993
00:48:15.720 --> 00:48:18.360
<v Chair>You also mentioned marine animals

994
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:21.020
<v Chair>And you can imagine marine health plus the geology of the seabed

995
00:48:21.020 --> 00:48:24.180
<v Chair>And all those sorts of things that might go into really understanding it

996
00:48:24.180 --> 00:48:26.600
<v Chair>So I think that's been a really lovely insight

997
00:48:26.600 --> 00:48:28.700
<v Chair>Any final questions for Laura?

998
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:32.340
<v Chair>I should have just made that my sum up

999
00:48:32.340 --> 00:48:35.000
<v Chair>Because I think that was probably what I wanted to say

1000
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:40.320
<v Chair>I think for me I'll go back to a few things that are going to stick with me from this session

1001
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:43.620
<v Chair>First of all just as I said that sound is such a simple thing

1002
00:48:43.620 --> 00:48:45.700
<v Chair>But actually modelling it and

1003
00:48:45.700 --> 00:48:47.740
<v Chair>Understanding how it works is so complex

1004
00:48:47.740 --> 00:48:51.960
<v Chair>And there's so many different things that Laura is drawing on in her area

1005
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:54.140
<v Chair>And will draw on in the next bit that she goes on

1006
00:48:54.140 --> 00:48:55.740
<v Chair>Which I think is quite fascinating

1007
00:48:56.580 --> 00:48:59.180
<v Chair>Thinking about all those various sound speed profiles underwater

1008
00:48:59.180 --> 00:49:02.660
<v Chair>And how you know which one you need to choose

1009
00:49:02.660 --> 00:49:07.200
<v Chair>Or the pattern of that particular piece of water that you're looking at or studying

1010
00:49:07.200 --> 00:49:08.840
<v Chair>I think is really interesting as well

1011
00:49:10.260 --> 00:49:14.700
<v Chair>Really appreciated getting an insight into the sort of work that Laura is doing

1012
00:49:14.700 --> 00:49:15.680
<v Chair>Not just the technical aspects of it

1013
00:49:15.680 --> 00:49:15.980
<v Chair>Not just the technical work

1014
00:49:15.980 --> 00:49:19.000
<v Chair>But the fact that you're on a ship for two and a half weeks to do that

1015
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:21.720
<v Chair>Or the fact that postdocs are sitting there next to wind turbines

1016
00:49:21.720 --> 00:49:27.000
<v Chair>And getting a flavour about what it means to be a scientist and an engineer working in these environments

1017
00:49:27.640 --> 00:49:30.760
<v Chair>I think that's been a really lovely insight as well

1018
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:33.020
<v Chair>So if you could please join me in thanking our guest today

1019
00:49:33.020 --> 00:49:33.820
<v Chair>Dr Laura Brooks

