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<v Duncan Steel>Good morning. Welcome, everybody, to the first session of today in the Elder Hall as part of the Adelaide Festival of Ideas.

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<v Duncan Steel>Delighted to welcome you all along this morning. I'm delighted to welcome our speaker this morning,

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<v Duncan Steel>who I've actually known, I've just realized, for a quarter of a century, because it makes us both feel a little old.

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<v Duncan Steel>I was fortunate to be a PhD student at the University of Canterbury in New Zealand,

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<v Duncan Steel>and even though John Campbell and I were in very different areas, he very much took me underneath his wing and helped me along.

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<v Duncan Steel>John was a solid-state physicist, but that was only one of the evils which he indulged in.

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<v Duncan Steel>He's done lots and lots of different things at different times.

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<v Duncan Steel>I want to mention that he's written a book, which is available out in the bookshop there, about Rutherford, Rutherford's scientist supreme.

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<v Duncan Steel>John actually came to visit me when I was working here at the University of Adelaide,

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<v Duncan Steel>specifically to interview Sir Mark Oliphant, one-time Governor-General of South Australia,

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<v Duncan Steel>who I believe was the last surviving student of Lord Rutherford.

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<v Duncan Steel>So John has had an association with Adelaide in various ways for many years.

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<v Duncan Steel>I don't want to take any more of his time just to mention that another collaboration we had was playing in the same soccer team in New Zealand,

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<v Duncan Steel>which John mentions in his little biopic.

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<v Duncan Steel>It's called the Islam Hardys, and you might think that might have been a professional team sponsored by a big Australian corporation or something like that.

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<v Duncan Steel>Not at all. The Islam Hardy, in fact, is a local breed of potato.

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<v Duncan Steel>Over to you, John. Thank you.

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<v John Campbell>We have a problem with the public perception of science, and we see it almost every day.

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<v John Campbell>And so that's why you're here on a Saturday morning without paying to hear me.

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<v John Campbell>And of course the idiot box seldom helps.

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<v John Campbell>Here's a good example.

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<v John Campbell>You see a kid clicking around the channels.

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<v John Campbell>There's a physics discovery, some event that's going to go down in history, a tourist thing to Ethiopia.

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<v John Campbell>And he turns the door off.

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<v John Campbell>No, there's nothing on. He's not watching.

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<v John Campbell>This diagram came from 1983 when the Americans started getting worried about science teaching.

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<v John Campbell>In this case, it was physics teaching.

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<v John Campbell>And it sort of typified the aging teaching staff that perhaps had run out of steam and some of the dumb stuff that was going on that was being taught just by formula.

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<v John Campbell>I had a mate, a biology teacher, who taught a class of 15-year-olds, sorry, 14-year-olds, their bit of physics science through the science of motorbikes.

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<v John Campbell>It was a lower decile class.

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<v John Campbell>And they all got quite excited about science.

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<v John Campbell>It actually had something to do with their life.

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<v John Campbell>And so next year they all enrolled for physics.

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<v John Campbell>And to their horror, found out that real physics is equations written on a blackboard.

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<v John Campbell>It had nothing to do with motorbikes at all.

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<v John Campbell>And we get feedback from the students.

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<v John Campbell>Nowadays, enormous amounts of time wasted in doing this.

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<v John Campbell>But in the old days, they always gave us the message.

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<v John Campbell>And worse things happen at sea.

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<v John Campbell>And there we are at sea.

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<v John Campbell>There was a statement made two decades ago in Britain.

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<v John Campbell>They were getting worried about science teaching.

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<v John Campbell>If present trends continue, there's a real fear that physics will eventually be just an obtuse subject concerned with nuclear particles.

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<v John Campbell>Elementary particles rather than nuclear.

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<v John Campbell>And the rest will be absorbed into engineering.

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<v John Campbell>And that's happened to many things.

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<v John Campbell>Anything that gets to be a bit useful gets shunted out and forms another field.

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<v John Campbell>And so we have to be a little careful about this.

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<v John Campbell>There's also the point of physics being regarded as a fairly hard subject.

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<v John Campbell>It's the principal one that requires mathematics.

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<v John Campbell>And so people have to be reasonably okay in mathematics.

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<v John Campbell>And there's a statement written by a tutor, a graduate student who was tutoring lower people down the class who paid for extra tuition in order to get through things.

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<v John Campbell>Are there any university lecturers here?

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<v John Campbell>No?

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<v John Campbell>Right.

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<v John Campbell>You could appreciate that one, couldn't you?

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<v John Campbell>What makes this of interest is that this was set in 1894 at Canterbury by Ernest Rutherford.

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<v John Campbell>So we do have these problems.

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<v John Campbell>And a lot of teaching, particularly at university, is done through the cork method.

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<v John Campbell>You know the one.

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<v John Campbell>We shove a funnel in one ear, pour in a few textbooks, and bang a cork in the far ear to stop it draining straight through.

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<v John Campbell>And yet, Emma Toller, France, had the pith, really, of what we should be doing.

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<v John Campbell>Do not satisfy your vanity by teaching a great many things.

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<v John Campbell>Awaken people's curiosity.

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<v John Campbell>It is enough to open minds.

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<v John Campbell>Do not overload them.

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<v John Campbell>Put there just a spark.

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<v John Campbell>And if there is some good and flammable stuff, it will catch fire.

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<v John Campbell>And that is the role of the teacher, to give that spark, to turn people on.

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<v John Campbell>We can all think back to our school days and the teachers of influence in whatever field it was.

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<v John Campbell>Probably had a major influence in us.

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<v John Campbell>I remember a chemistry teacher at my school.

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<v John Campbell>He would have a beaker of acid and demonstrate how dangerous it was.

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<v John Campbell>And he would have a beaker of alkali and demonstrate how dangerous it was.

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<v John Campbell>Then he would pour the two together and drink it.

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<v John Campbell>Not very strong, of course, because he did not want to die of salt poisoning.

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<v John Campbell>And the electricity teacher.

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<v John Campbell>I mean, we did do electricity in those days as a subject.

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<v John Campbell>Always flashes and bangs going on in his class.

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<v John Campbell>Some of them intentional.

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<v John Campbell>So what we need to do is to inspire students to want to learn.

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<v John Campbell>We need them then to teach them how to learn.

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<v John Campbell>And that is something we don't really do at university level.

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<v John Campbell>All we do is cream the ones off the top.

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<v John Campbell>And we need to train them in useful skills to help them through all this.

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<v John Campbell>Now I will give a little bit of history lesson here of what used to happen in New Zealand.

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<v John Campbell>Because I thought it was a reasonable system.

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<v John Campbell>And I will deal mainly with physics.

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<v John Campbell>But New Zealand required 10 new physics teachers a year just for attrition of people retiring.

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<v John Campbell>They were graduates in physics.

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<v John Campbell>And they went to a teacher's college for a one year diploma in teaching.

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<v John Campbell>To be converted into teachers.

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<v John Campbell>These people were carefully selected.

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<v John Campbell>All fees were paid.

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<v John Campbell>All those sorts of things in those days.

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<v John Campbell>And they were selected through interviews.

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<v John Campbell>And they had 40 points awarded.

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<v John Campbell>Five of those were for what degree people had.

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<v John Campbell>The academic side.

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<v John Campbell>Now up until 20 or 30 years ago.

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<v John Campbell>An academic career wasn't really the first choice of a lot of people.

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<v John Campbell>And a lot of our politicians were quite proud of having left school at age 12.

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<v John Campbell>They didn't need higher education.

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<v John Campbell>This is really summed up by Andrew Board in the 16th century.

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<v John Campbell>A master of art is not worth a fart.

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<v John Campbell>But these five points.

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<v John Campbell>If you had a physics degree or a maths degree.

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<v John Campbell>You would get five out of five.

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<v John Campbell>If it was in ancient Greek history and there wasn't too many positions in high schools required for that.

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<v John Campbell>Then it would be lower down.

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<v John Campbell>But the other 35 points.

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<v John Campbell>Were all for things that we want of our teacher.

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<v John Campbell>Of our children.

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<v John Campbell>We want someone with a reasonable personality.

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<v John Campbell>The ability to write clearly and speak clearly.

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<v John Campbell>Slightly outgoing.

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<v John Campbell>Happy.

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<v John Campbell>Mentally stable.

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<v John Campbell>All of these sorts of things.

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<v John Campbell>Played sports so they can take a school sports team.

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<v John Campbell>And of course a sense of humour.

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<v John Campbell>And boy these days do they need a sense of humour.

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<v John Campbell>Now I thought that system worked pretty well.

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<v John Campbell>And then a political masters.

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<v John Campbell>And one of their more idiotic moments.

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<v John Campbell>Funded universities in particular by bums on seats.

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<v John Campbell>So the college of education would take in anyone.

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<v John Campbell>Now previously those people were chosen.

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<v John Campbell>There were the jobs to go to.

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<v John Campbell>And they were sought after.

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<v John Campbell>Now with bums on seats they took in more people.

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<v John Campbell>A large number were from overseas.

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<v John Campbell>They had English as a second language.

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<v John Campbell>The vast majority of these.

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<v John Campbell>And certainly in physics.

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<v John Campbell>No headmaster would employ them.

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<v John Campbell>And these poor people were being charged enormous fees.

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<v John Campbell>To train for something where they wouldn't get a decent job.

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<v John Campbell>And what happened to them?

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<v John Campbell>Well actually I did find them.

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<v John Campbell>I did a tour of Northland schools last year.

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<v John Campbell>And there they were.

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<v John Campbell>The sole charge physics teacher.

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<v John Campbell>In a small town high school.

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<v John Campbell>That had no way of attracting any decent physics teacher.

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<v John Campbell>So that was a disaster.

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<v John Campbell>We're just about to do the second one.

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<v John Campbell>And that is this year the teachers colleges became under colleges of education and universities.

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<v John Campbell>That is going to leave those colleges like what happened here 20 years ago.

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<v John Campbell>Over staffed.

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<v John Campbell>Who are they going to get rid of?

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<v John Campbell>The ones without a large publication record.

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<v John Campbell>I.e. the good classroom practicing teacher.

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<v John Campbell>That is going to be training these students.

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<v John Campbell>So it's a bit of a shame.

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<v John Campbell>Society needs to ensure that good quality people go into teaching.

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<v John Campbell>Science is really based on this.

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<v John Campbell>The teachers are the salesman for any subject.

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<v John Campbell>If you've got enthusiasm.

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<v John Campbell>They're going to be doing it class after class.

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<v John Campbell>And year after year.

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<v John Campbell>Whereas you can put in one that could turn class after class off that subject.

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<v John Campbell>In the preface to Nicholas Nickleby.

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<v John Campbell>Charles Dickens wrote the following.

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<v John Campbell>We hear sometimes of an action for damages against an unqualified medical practitioner.

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<v John Campbell>Who has deformed a broken limb.

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<v John Campbell>In pretending to heal it.

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<v John Campbell>But what are the minds that have been deformed forever.

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<v John Campbell>Now clearly they had some people in teaching.

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<v John Campbell>Who perhaps shouldn't have been there.

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<v John Campbell>Way back then.

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<v John Campbell>Thirsty work this.

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<v John Campbell>Would anyone like a drink with me.

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<v John Campbell>And it's also nice to do simple things.

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<v John Campbell>And I want to show you something remarkable.

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<v John Campbell>I've just got a rod of aluminium here.

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<v John Campbell>Now watch this.

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<v John Campbell>It went a bit fast for most people to see, and so I'll explain what happened.

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<v John Campbell>As I dropped this rod, that came in contact with the table.

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<v John Campbell>The bottom layers of the aluminium atoms,

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<v John Campbell>Those bottom layers are now too close to the ones just above them.

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<v John Campbell>And this pressure wave goes up to the end here.

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<v John Campbell>Now what happens at the top?

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<v John Campbell>Well, liquids and solids, we can't compress much, can we?

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<v John Campbell>We can't compress much.

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<v John Campbell>But if you've used a bike pump, you know you can compress a gas.

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<v John Campbell>Put another way, if you take a solid or a liquid,

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<v John Campbell>the volume change is about 700 times.

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<v John Campbell>Now I'm a physicist, 700 is a thousand,

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<v John Campbell>and a thousand is 10 that way, and 10 that way, and 10 that way.

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<v John Campbell>And so the atoms in the solid are touching,

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<v John Campbell>but in a gas, they're about 10 atomic diameters apart.

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<v John Campbell>So we have a density of about a thousandth of the solid.

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<v John Campbell>And so this top layer of atom, aluminium atoms,

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<v John Campbell>and now it's too far away from the layer of atoms just below it.

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<v John Campbell>And so they are attracted up to it.

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<v John Campbell>And then the next layer.

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<v John Campbell>And so now we have this...

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<v John Campbell>This layer of a larger than normal, should be gap,

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<v John Campbell>propagates down,

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<v John Campbell>until finally the bottom layer leaps up.

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<v John Campbell>And it's only at that point this bar leaves the table.

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<v John Campbell>And you can actually measure this

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<v John Campbell>so that when it first touches,

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<v John Campbell>we get electrical contact that starts the counter.

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<v John Campbell>And when it comes up again,

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<v John Campbell>then the counter stops.

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<v John Campbell>And you can find how long that wave took to go here.

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<v John Campbell>Now this is half a metre long.

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<v John Campbell>And I could have brought that apparatus.

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<v John Campbell>But to save weight, we don't need it.

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<v John Campbell>We can get the information out of the aluminium itself.

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<v John Campbell>Now we could torture the hell out of it,

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<v John Campbell>but it wouldn't squeal.

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<v John Campbell>But what it can't take is a bit of tickling.

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<v John Campbell>And aluminium is rather good.

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<v John Campbell>It doesn't have much attenuation of the sound.

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<v John Campbell>I just put a bit of rosin on my hands

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<v John Campbell>to get this shuddering grip along.

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<v John Campbell>So what happens, I'm holding it in the middle.

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<v John Campbell>The two ends are moving in and out.

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<v John Campbell>And so this is half of a wavelength long.

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<v John Campbell>So the sound we have is a metre wavelength long.

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<v John Campbell>Now the musicians in the audience,

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<v John Campbell>five kilohertz exactly, isn't it?

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<v John Campbell>That wave is covering this in one five thousandth of a second.

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<v John Campbell>The speed of sound in aluminium we've just measured

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<v John Campbell>is five kilometres every second.

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<v John Campbell>You could communicate down to the port,

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<v John Campbell>what in two seconds,

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<v John Campbell>by having a solid bar of aluminium

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<v John Campbell>and just tapping.

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<v John Campbell>You could even explain it with a bit of Morse code.

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<v John Campbell>So there are a lot of nice, simple, everyday physics.

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<v John Campbell>At the University we tend to go over the top

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<v John Campbell>with the latest advances

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<v John Campbell>and things that people really can't understand.

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<v John Campbell>And there's so much good stuff

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<v John Campbell>just in everyday life.

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<v John Campbell>I'll take another example.

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<v John Campbell>The receptors in our eye are all at the back

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<v John Campbell>and the curiosity of our eye is that the nerves

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<v John Campbell>and the blood vessels are in front of these.

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<v John Campbell>Light passes through them.

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<v John Campbell>We're not aware of that.

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<v John Campbell>It's one of these eye-brain interactions

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<v John Campbell>Where these nerves and blood vessels go out,

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<v John Campbell>there are no receptors.

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<v John Campbell>So we are blind.

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<v John Campbell>What I'm going to do is close my left eye.

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<v John Campbell>I'm going to look at the exit sign at the back

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<v John Campbell>and take this orange

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<v John Campbell>and do a little bit of a look at the back.

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<v John Campbell>And just put it along that line

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<v John Campbell>and move it outwards

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<v John Campbell>and down a fraction

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<v John Campbell>and move it around.

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<v John Campbell>I cannot see that orange.

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<v John Campbell>The image of that is falling on the blind spot in my eye.

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<v John Campbell>So that means if a car was...

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<v John Campbell>Oh, how far away is this?

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<v John Campbell>Very roughly, that's one length

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<v John Campbell>compared with ten lengths.

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<v John Campbell>So one in ten, just crudely.

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<v John Campbell>How far away could a car be coming straight at me

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<v John Campbell>if I was intensely gazing in that one direction

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<v John Campbell>with only one eye open?

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<v John Campbell>The car's about two metres wide, 20 metres away.

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<v John Campbell>Don't stand a chance.

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<v John Campbell>It's easier when you first start

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<v John Campbell>to practice with something smaller.

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<v John Campbell>Nicely coloured.

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<v John Campbell>Much smaller orange.

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<v John Campbell>And you can even bring this in

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<v John Campbell>and just see how close you can get.

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<v John Campbell>Now this is a squash ball.

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<v John Campbell>How close can a squash ball be?

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<v John Campbell>And I won't see it if I'm staring intently there.

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<v John Campbell>About that far.

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<v John Campbell>You can understand why they are so dangerous

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<v John Campbell>but also because they're small enough

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<v John Campbell>and probably just splatter the eye.

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<v John Campbell>So there's a whole pile of little things

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<v John Campbell>that we can point out to people

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<v John Campbell>without really...

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<v John Campbell>affecting them.

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<v John Campbell>Keeping it simple,

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<v John Campbell>we don't need expensive equipment.

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<v John Campbell>Oh, I forgot to have my drink.

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<v John Campbell>Oh, hang on.

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<v John Campbell>I tell you what,

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<v John Campbell>you'll still be worried about the bubbles in there, won't you?

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<v John Campbell>Hold on a tick.

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<v John Campbell>All I need is my Harry Potter wand.

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<v John Campbell>Oh.

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<v John Campbell>I keep losing it because bringing it to Australia,

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<v John Campbell>you're likely to get it pinched.

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<v John Campbell>And so I have to...

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<v John Campbell>I have to disguise it so no one will even think of it.

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<v John Campbell>And with a good knowledge of Latin,

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<v John Campbell>hocus pocus,

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<v John Campbell>bubblous is gonous.

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<v John Campbell>And that's transferred the bubbles to mine.

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<v John Campbell>So yours is perfectly safe to open now.

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<v John Campbell>Hmm.

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<v John Campbell>Now, the Science Teachers Conference,

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<v John Campbell>I did that,

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<v John Campbell>but there'd been a recent report

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<v John Campbell>And so I did the hocus pocus with that.

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<v John Campbell>This was a trick shown to me by a magician.

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<v John Campbell>And they are fantastic

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<v John Campbell>at picking up on physical principles

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<v John Campbell>way before anyone else.

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<v John Campbell>And it's so simple.

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<v John Campbell>It's a simple course, isn't it?

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<v John Campbell>I'll only let you into the first part of it all.

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<v John Campbell>Why did that one not fizz up?

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<v John Campbell>Just do what Ed had, after he'd told me.

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<v John Campbell>I'm an experimentalist.

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<v John Campbell>Get a six pack.

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<v John Campbell>Shake them up.

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<v John Campbell>Now you'll feel it.

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<v John Campbell>There's a bit of air space above.

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<v John Campbell>And you shake the thing.

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<v John Campbell>And you'll feel this heavy mass of liquid thumping up and down.

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<v John Campbell>And after a few shakes, you no longer feel that.

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<v John Campbell>You've now got a diffused set of bubbles and gases come out of the liquid in a big way.

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<v John Campbell>But of course, the thing was in equilibrium to start with.

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<v John Campbell>It's all a question of how long does it take to get back to equilibrium.

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<v John Campbell>And that's where you have your six pack.

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<v John Campbell>Shake one up.

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<v John Campbell>Wait a minute. Open it.

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<v John Campbell>See if it fizzes out.

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<v John Campbell>Take another one. Shake it up. Open it.

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<v John Campbell>Wait a minute and a half.

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<v John Campbell>And all you've got to do, like any good magician,

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<v John Campbell>is to stall for a while

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<v John Campbell>and take people's minds off what's going on.

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<v John Campbell>It's nice.

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<v John Campbell>When I was in charge of looking after our BSc class,

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<v John Campbell>they were failures.

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<v John Campbell>They weren't good enough for honours,

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<v John Campbell>was the standard academic interpretation.

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<v John Campbell>A failure with a BSc in physics?

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<v John Campbell>Out in the community, you're a brain if you've got a BSc in physics.

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<v John Campbell>So I used to try and have them do various things.

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<v John Campbell>They could grow ruby crystals and take them away.

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<v John Campbell>Except any really good one stayed.

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<v John Campbell>She'll be retired to the Bahamas any day soon.

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<v John Campbell>But what we need to do is to learn from show business

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<v John Campbell>to get a bit of excitement into things.

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<v John Campbell>Here's two fellows that have already learnt the trick

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<v John Campbell>because they noticed crowds were falling off.

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<v John Campbell>For those who can't remember,

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<v John Campbell>I'll read the caption at the back.

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<v John Campbell>The crowds have been falling off a bit lately.

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<v John Campbell>But actually, even just using that cartoon in the class,

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<v John Campbell>there's all sorts of examples of conservation of energy,

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<v John Campbell>changing from one sort of energy to another.

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<v John Campbell>So the show business side of what I do,

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<v John Campbell>for the last couple of decades,

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<v John Campbell>I've taken a topic that the charlatans were getting into.

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<v John Campbell>And this is fire walking.

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<v John Campbell>And people would charge you $200 to go to this course

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<v John Campbell>to train you to have mind over matter.

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<v John Campbell>You will have control of your mind so that you will not feel pain

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<v John Campbell>and you can walk over red hot coals.

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<v John Campbell>You almost had one of the science festivals,

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<v John Campbell>except now the legal eagles are involved.

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<v John Campbell>And that means they want six months' notice to get all the clearances.

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<v John Campbell>And I thought this was ridiculous until I found out

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<v John Campbell>people were suing the university

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<v John Campbell>because their brochures said,

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<v John Campbell>if you do a degree in geology,

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<v John Campbell>there are lots and lots of jobs.

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<v John Campbell>And then someone who didn't get a job three years later

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<v John Campbell>would sue them.

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<v John Campbell>And apparently have won.

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<v John Campbell>Crazy.

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<v John Campbell>It always gets great publicity.

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<v John Campbell>A photo under the banner headline of the local newspaper.

454
00:26:13.100 --> 00:26:15.140
<v John Campbell>You can see the mail when they do it at schools.

455
00:26:15.140 --> 00:26:17.520
<v John Campbell>The rugby team go across.

456
00:26:18.020 --> 00:26:19.280
<v John Campbell>Nothing in this, you know.

457
00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:20.740
<v John Campbell>Just slowly amble across.

458
00:26:21.260 --> 00:26:21.680
<v John Campbell>Deadpan.

459
00:26:22.380 --> 00:26:24.920
<v John Campbell>It's usually the girls that get their photograph in the paper

460
00:26:25.700 --> 00:26:29.380
<v John Campbell>because they're much more animated in going across.

461
00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:31.580
<v John Campbell>Now here was one.

462
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:33.840
<v John Campbell>You can see the difference in animation.

463
00:26:37.020 --> 00:26:39.980
<v John Campbell>One in question time was asked,

464
00:26:40.760 --> 00:26:42.480
<v John Campbell>now what happens if you've got a long dress on?

465
00:26:42.600 --> 00:26:43.980
<v John Campbell>Well, of course you hitch it up a bit.

466
00:26:43.980 --> 00:26:45.860
<v John Campbell>So she hitched hers up.

467
00:26:46.260 --> 00:26:49.240
<v John Campbell>She must be the only one that's been immortalised

468
00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:52.120
<v John Campbell>in the front page of a newspaper under the banner

469
00:26:53.060 --> 00:26:54.160
<v John Campbell>showing her knickers.

470
00:26:54.540 --> 00:26:57.660
<v John Campbell>This has probably only been matched in New Zealand

471
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<v John Campbell>when there was an interview of the clan leader in Timaru

472
00:27:01.740 --> 00:27:04.340
<v John Campbell>and the Timaru herald went and took a photograph

473
00:27:04.980 --> 00:27:06.560
<v John Campbell>of him sitting down in his kilt.

474
00:27:07.180 --> 00:27:10.320
<v John Campbell>And those newspapers were collector's items.

475
00:27:16.120 --> 00:27:16.520
<v John Campbell>So...

476
00:27:28.220 --> 00:27:29.960
<v John Campbell>So after firewalking, what can you do?

477
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:31.240
<v John Campbell>I've been doing this two decades now.

478
00:27:31.400 --> 00:27:34.800
<v John Campbell>Well, in the 1890s, the things out in the Midwest

479
00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:38.800
<v John Campbell>was to put a grandstand alongside a railway line,

480
00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:43.100
<v John Campbell>get two old locos a couple of miles down the track each way

481
00:27:43.100 --> 00:27:43.960
<v John Campbell>and just send them off here.

482
00:27:43.980 --> 00:27:46.420
<v John Campbell>Head to head, a nice big collision.

483
00:27:47.300 --> 00:27:49.880
<v John Campbell>And that worked well until one of the boilers went up

484
00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:51.040
<v John Campbell>and took out some of the audience

485
00:27:51.040 --> 00:27:53.300
<v John Campbell>and legal people had something to say about it.

486
00:27:55.620 --> 00:27:57.660
<v John Campbell>So that seems to be out.

487
00:27:58.320 --> 00:28:02.080
<v John Campbell>Well, there's an act that the Kamakazi brothers

488
00:28:02.660 --> 00:28:04.580
<v John Campbell>did at the Edinburgh show.

489
00:28:05.560 --> 00:28:08.400
<v John Campbell>And I've got a kilt so I could start looking at this.

490
00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:12.460
<v John Campbell>And I should point out that that...

491
00:28:14.340 --> 00:28:17.100
<v John Campbell>flair at the rear isn't being held in their hands.

492
00:28:20.980 --> 00:28:25.300
<v John Campbell>But the point is, we need to communicate enthusiasm.

493
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:27.200
<v John Campbell>We need to incur...

494
00:28:28.040 --> 00:28:29.920
<v John Campbell>We need to get in a sense of fun,

495
00:28:30.420 --> 00:28:31.200
<v John Campbell>which we have.

496
00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:34.460
<v John Campbell>Every serious physics lab I've been in around the world,

497
00:28:34.620 --> 00:28:37.700
<v John Campbell>it's all laughing and joking and so on and lots of travel.

498
00:28:37.800 --> 00:28:40.620
<v John Campbell>And we need to communicate these to students.

499
00:28:41.300 --> 00:28:42.440
<v John Campbell>But the importance of that is,

500
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:43.340
<v John Campbell>the important thing is to have fun,

501
00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:45.960
<v John Campbell>because then the enthusiasm comes out.

502
00:28:46.660 --> 00:28:49.140
<v John Campbell>And so I hope if the teachers are here,

503
00:28:49.300 --> 00:28:52.080
<v John Campbell>they have fun themselves in their classes

504
00:28:52.080 --> 00:28:54.520
<v John Campbell>and will come up with some crackpot schemes

505
00:28:54.520 --> 00:28:56.380
<v John Campbell>to make it even more funny.

506
00:28:56.520 --> 00:28:59.920
<v John Campbell>We are desperately running out of characters in teaching.

507
00:29:01.940 --> 00:29:02.760
<v Duncan Steel>Thanks, John.

508
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:04.280
<v Duncan Steel>APPLAUSE

509
00:29:08.580 --> 00:29:08.980
<v Duncan Steel>!

510
00:29:10.560 --> 00:29:11.860
<v Duncan Steel>Thank you very much, John.

511
00:29:11.940 --> 00:29:14.920
<v Duncan Steel>I know that John has had a lot of fun in his teaching and lecturing career.

512
00:29:15.180 --> 00:29:18.520
<v Duncan Steel>He's actually going to be speaking again in 45 minutes' time at this venue

513
00:29:18.520 --> 00:29:20.160
<v Duncan Steel>about some of the other things he's done,

514
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:22.240
<v Duncan Steel>marine archaeology and so on.

515
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:26.100
<v Duncan Steel>But right now, the floor is open for any questions or comments

516
00:29:26.100 --> 00:29:27.320
<v Duncan Steel>that anybody would like to make.

517
00:29:27.560 --> 00:29:30.560
<v Duncan Steel>Do people believe that there's a crisis in science teaching

518
00:29:30.560 --> 00:29:32.740
<v Duncan Steel>or indeed people becoming scientists?

519
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:34.260
<v Duncan Steel>Question down the front here.

520
00:29:34.260 --> 00:29:37.200
<v Speaker 3>I would just like to thank John for pointing out

521
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:38.800
<v Speaker 3>the thing about the visual vision, the orange,

522
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:40.140
<v Speaker 3>because I have a vision impairment.

523
00:29:40.560 --> 00:29:42.780
<v Speaker 3>It is something I've lived with all of my life

524
00:29:42.780 --> 00:29:44.720
<v Speaker 3>and yet people just simply don't understand.

525
00:29:44.820 --> 00:29:47.020
<v Speaker 3>You can see one thing and you can't see another thing.

526
00:29:47.260 --> 00:29:49.700
<v Speaker 3>And you add an asternus to the top of it all

527
00:29:49.700 --> 00:29:52.220
<v Speaker 3>and the eye has to find an old point to see anything.

528
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:53.760
<v Speaker 3>So, well done.

529
00:29:54.040 --> 00:29:54.440
<v Speaker 3>OK.

530
00:29:55.380 --> 00:29:56.740
<v Duncan Steel>Just for those people at the back,

531
00:29:56.780 --> 00:29:58.920
<v Duncan Steel>the lady was pointing out that she very much appreciated

532
00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:01.820
<v Duncan Steel>John pointing out the idea of the blind spot using the orange.

533
00:30:02.300 --> 00:30:04.240
<v Duncan Steel>I usually demonstrate that actually using a cross.

534
00:30:04.260 --> 00:30:06.300
<v Duncan Steel>I mean, a cross and a circle on a piece of paper

535
00:30:06.300 --> 00:30:07.980
<v Duncan Steel>and putting it out to different distances.

536
00:30:08.260 --> 00:30:09.980
<v Duncan Steel>People are very, very surprised to be told

537
00:30:09.980 --> 00:30:12.400
<v Duncan Steel>that they've actually got a blind spot, one in each eye, obviously.

538
00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:16.300
<v Duncan Steel>And I noticed the lady down here using a monocular to be able to see.

539
00:30:16.420 --> 00:30:17.920
<v Duncan Steel>And thanks very much for that comment.

540
00:30:18.180 --> 00:30:21.160
<v John Campbell>And, of course, if anyone uses that defence in court,

541
00:30:21.300 --> 00:30:22.620
<v John Campbell>then I will claim royalties.

542
00:30:25.740 --> 00:30:27.740
<v John Campbell>The other point on this, though, is that we...

543
00:30:29.500 --> 00:30:31.800
<v John Campbell>A, we are all blind, basically.

544
00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:34.200
<v John Campbell>Visible light...

545
00:30:34.260 --> 00:30:37.220
<v John Campbell>Well, electromagnetic waves, by the time we get to visible light,

546
00:30:37.340 --> 00:30:41.320
<v John Campbell>we're up at about, what,

547
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:44.320
<v John Campbell>10,000 million, million oscillations a second.

548
00:30:46.140 --> 00:30:49.100
<v John Campbell>And we can only see a factor of two of that.

549
00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:53.340
<v John Campbell>We can't see radio waves, we can't see television,

550
00:30:53.580 --> 00:30:55.820
<v John Campbell>we can't see radar, we can't see ultraviolet.

551
00:30:56.600 --> 00:30:58.920
<v John Campbell>So, basically, we are blind in that sense.

552
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:02.840
<v John Campbell>In a second sense, next time you're typing something,

553
00:31:02.840 --> 00:31:06.880
<v John Campbell>just type about six letters, three on either side,

554
00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:08.280
<v John Campbell>with a full stop in the middle.

555
00:31:09.080 --> 00:31:12.980
<v John Campbell>And now just peer at that full stop with one eye.

556
00:31:13.280 --> 00:31:15.520
<v John Campbell>Now, you've got to be really disciplined to do this.

557
00:31:15.840 --> 00:31:18.400
<v John Campbell>Look only at that one spot.

558
00:31:18.820 --> 00:31:21.240
<v John Campbell>And you'll find you will only be able to tell

559
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:24.100
<v John Campbell>what letters are about two letters either side of this.

560
00:31:24.520 --> 00:31:26.200
<v John Campbell>And you can't tell what the others are.

561
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:29.760
<v John Campbell>You see, we're used to... It's efficiency, really.

562
00:31:30.820 --> 00:31:32.080
<v John Campbell>We're used to having...

563
00:31:33.100 --> 00:31:35.780
<v John Campbell>A bit of movement over there, and we turn and look.

564
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:37.080
<v John Campbell>And why are we doing that?

565
00:31:37.180 --> 00:31:40.020
<v John Campbell>We've got one part of our eye where the blood vessels

566
00:31:40.020 --> 00:31:42.240
<v John Campbell>are all coming in from the outside of it

567
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:43.400
<v John Campbell>so we can get the highest density.

568
00:31:44.180 --> 00:31:46.820
<v John Campbell>And we're putting the image of that

569
00:31:46.820 --> 00:31:49.680
<v John Campbell>onto the best part of our eye.

570
00:31:49.780 --> 00:31:50.860
<v John Campbell>That's the one to look after.

571
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:55.020
<v Audience>Hi. Yes, please.

572
00:31:55.620 --> 00:32:00.160
<v Audience>I'm hopefully about to be awarded my PhD in immunology,

573
00:32:00.260 --> 00:32:02.660
<v Audience>and I've always had a passion for science,

574
00:32:02.840 --> 00:32:02.980
<v Audience>and I've always loved science teaching.

575
00:32:03.280 --> 00:32:06.480
<v Audience>And I almost enrolled before I started my PhD.

576
00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:11.840
<v Audience>And I've always come across through my teachers at high school

577
00:32:11.840 --> 00:32:12.740
<v Audience>who would say,

578
00:32:12.780 --> 00:32:13.980
<v Audience>you'd be a great teacher,

579
00:32:14.040 --> 00:32:16.520
<v Audience>but don't you think you should do something else with your life?

580
00:32:16.980 --> 00:32:20.400
<v Audience>Um, don't you think you could...

581
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.480
<v Audience>I guess people just thought that,

582
00:32:22.540 --> 00:32:25.160
<v Audience>shouldn't I use my talents as a career scientist?

583
00:32:25.520 --> 00:32:27.360
<v Audience>And now that I'm finishing my PhD,

584
00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:31.100
<v Audience>I am planning to return to university next year

585
00:32:31.100 --> 00:32:32.340
<v Audience>and get my teaching qualifications.

586
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:35.440
<v Audience>And now I'm faced with people saying,

587
00:32:35.620 --> 00:32:38.260
<v Audience>don't you feel like you've wasted the last four years?

588
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:40.420
<v Audience>And I...my...I don't...

589
00:32:40.420 --> 00:32:42.540
<v Audience>I guess it's more of a comment than anything else,

590
00:32:42.540 --> 00:32:43.640
<v Audience>than a question,

591
00:32:43.700 --> 00:32:49.820
<v Audience>is that society just doesn't hold teachers in high enough regard.

592
00:32:49.900 --> 00:32:52.440
<v Audience>And I've always passionately argued

593
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:56.060
<v Audience>that we should be encouraging our brightest students

594
00:32:56.060 --> 00:32:57.420
<v Audience>and our passionate students

595
00:32:57.420 --> 00:33:00.600
<v Audience>to be teaching our future

596
00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:01.840
<v Audience>and to be good scientists.

597
00:33:02.600 --> 00:33:03.200
<v John Campbell>I...

598
00:33:03.820 --> 00:33:04.580
<v John Campbell>Thank you.

599
00:33:06.360 --> 00:33:08.360
<v John Campbell>I fully agree with you.

600
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:11.360
<v John Campbell>You most certainly have not wasted the last four years

601
00:33:11.360 --> 00:33:13.840
<v John Campbell>because you now have all the experience

602
00:33:13.840 --> 00:33:16.220
<v John Campbell>that you can incorporate in your teaching.

603
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:19.900
<v John Campbell>Um, we have a chemistry PhD

604
00:33:20.800 --> 00:33:22.040
<v John Campbell>who was the same.

605
00:33:22.800 --> 00:33:24.460
<v John Campbell>And she went...

606
00:33:25.100 --> 00:33:26.900
<v John Campbell>It wasn't quite so much exactly teaching.

607
00:33:27.040 --> 00:33:28.280
<v John Campbell>At the end of her PhD,

608
00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:30.260
<v John Campbell>she set up the outreach program

609
00:33:31.100 --> 00:33:31.880
<v John Campbell>at the University of Canterbury.

610
00:33:32.320 --> 00:33:35.240
<v John Campbell>My first PhD student 40 years ago

611
00:33:36.100 --> 00:33:38.180
<v John Campbell>um, went into teaching.

612
00:33:39.100 --> 00:33:41.660
<v John Campbell>Now, one of the advantages of teaching also

613
00:33:41.660 --> 00:33:43.100
<v John Campbell>is they learn a lot of skills,

614
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.480
<v John Campbell>like time management, organization, and so on.

615
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:48.000
<v John Campbell>And unfortunately, the good ones

616
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:51.580
<v John Campbell>also get lured out into all sorts of other

617
00:33:52.100 --> 00:33:53.160
<v John Campbell>higher paying jobs.

618
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:55.880
<v John Campbell>But the beauty of the teacher

619
00:33:57.100 --> 00:33:58.580
<v John Campbell>is you'll pass kids in the street

620
00:33:59.820 --> 00:34:01.020
<v John Campbell>pushing...pushing their kids

621
00:34:01.100 --> 00:34:02.980
<v John Campbell>and they'll come up and say hello.

622
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:07.120
<v Duncan Steel>Yes, another...

623
00:34:07.120 --> 00:34:08.960
<v Duncan Steel>People who want to make a comment or ask a question,

624
00:34:09.040 --> 00:34:10.620
<v Duncan Steel>can you go to the microphone so everybody can hear?

625
00:34:10.660 --> 00:34:11.020
<v Duncan Steel>Yes, please.

626
00:34:11.040 --> 00:34:13.140
<v Audience>Would you care to comment on creationism

627
00:34:13.140 --> 00:34:16.620
<v Audience>and its...it's trying to worm its way into science teaching?

628
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:18.140
<v Audience>What would you have to say about that?

629
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.180
<v John Campbell>Uh, well, it doesn't really have anything to do with science.

630
00:34:22.300 --> 00:34:25.140
<v John Campbell>I mean, science is testing all the time.

631
00:34:25.540 --> 00:34:28.480
<v John Campbell>And if things are shown not to be true,

632
00:34:28.660 --> 00:34:29.620
<v John Campbell>there'll be a change made.

633
00:34:29.620 --> 00:34:32.000
<v John Campbell>That's not going to happen with the other side, but...

634
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:35.060
<v Duncan Steel>Yes, please.

635
00:34:36.120 --> 00:34:38.460
<v Audience>Yes, I've been a science teacher in South Australia

636
00:34:38.460 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Audience>for over 40 years.

637
00:34:39.620 --> 00:34:41.940
<v Audience>And I'd like to think that I've been, over that time,

638
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:44.920
<v Audience>applying the very enthusiasm that has been referred to here.

639
00:34:45.260 --> 00:34:47.040
<v Audience>One of the problems which I've perceived

640
00:34:47.040 --> 00:34:49.060
<v Audience>in science teaching, in South Australia at least,

641
00:34:49.160 --> 00:34:51.140
<v Audience>has been that science teachers

642
00:34:51.140 --> 00:34:52.980
<v Audience>have tended to come away from universities

643
00:34:52.980 --> 00:34:54.440
<v Audience>with their academic qualifications

644
00:34:54.940 --> 00:34:57.060
<v Audience>thinking of themselves not as science teachers

645
00:34:57.060 --> 00:34:59.600
<v Audience>but as physics teachers or biology teachers.

646
00:34:59.600 --> 00:35:01.440
<v Audience>Or chemistry teachers.

647
00:35:01.680 --> 00:35:02.960
<v Audience>And we've tended to...

648
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:04.100
<v Audience>Well, I've tended to blame the universities

649
00:35:04.100 --> 00:35:08.600
<v Audience>for that emphasis upon the senior school courses

650
00:35:08.600 --> 00:35:10.340
<v Audience>and then in the university itself

651
00:35:10.340 --> 00:35:13.500
<v Audience>on the emphasis on that dry academics

652
00:35:13.500 --> 00:35:16.480
<v Audience>and having people not be able to come back into schools

653
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:20.640
<v Audience>and recognise that there is this integrated or pervasive science

654
00:35:20.640 --> 00:35:24.860
<v Audience>which, well, goes beyond just pure physics

655
00:35:24.860 --> 00:35:27.220
<v Audience>or chemistry or biology or zoology or whatever.

656
00:35:27.460 --> 00:35:28.920
<v Audience>Would you like to comment on that, please?

657
00:35:29.020 --> 00:35:29.580
<v John Campbell>Well, I think...

658
00:35:29.600 --> 00:35:32.780
<v John Campbell>That's why I like the first degree, the BSc,

659
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:34.860
<v John Campbell>in a particular subject,

660
00:35:36.140 --> 00:35:38.000
<v John Campbell>so they were well ahead of things,

661
00:35:38.600 --> 00:35:42.460
<v John Campbell>and then the teacher conversion.

662
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:46.200
<v John Campbell>Now, it would be handy if those people...

663
00:35:46.200 --> 00:35:46.800
<v John Campbell>Because every...

664
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:50.160
<v John Campbell>Usually every science teacher

665
00:35:50.160 --> 00:35:52.360
<v John Campbell>has to also do some lower classes

666
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:54.280
<v John Campbell>that cover everything, botany and so on.

667
00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:58.860
<v John Campbell>A lot of people would be enthusiastic about...

668
00:35:59.600 --> 00:36:00.820
<v John Campbell>botany and zoology,

669
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:03.080
<v John Campbell>because they're maybe a diver

670
00:36:03.080 --> 00:36:04.500
<v John Campbell>and they're used to underwater plants

671
00:36:04.500 --> 00:36:08.100
<v John Campbell>or they like tramping and they see all these things around them.

672
00:36:08.460 --> 00:36:09.820
<v John Campbell>Geology, all those sorts of things.

673
00:36:11.020 --> 00:36:15.800
<v John Campbell>The problem is there are many good botany and geology and so on teachers,

674
00:36:16.940 --> 00:36:21.440
<v John Campbell>but they really can't take the senior science...

675
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:24.080
<v John Campbell>The senior physics and the senior chemistry and the senior maths.

676
00:36:24.720 --> 00:36:27.060
<v John Campbell>And I guess one of the problems is with some schools,

677
00:36:27.240 --> 00:36:28.160
<v John Campbell>they're really...

678
00:36:28.160 --> 00:36:31.540
<v John Campbell>A very clued-up teacher takes only the senior classes,

679
00:36:32.260 --> 00:36:35.760
<v John Campbell>but most people drop science at age 15 or so, don't they?

680
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:37.960
<v John Campbell>Most people, sorry.

681
00:36:38.100 --> 00:36:40.300
<v John Campbell>There's a big divide between the arts and sciences

682
00:36:40.300 --> 00:36:42.900
<v John Campbell>about that when things become no longer compulsory.

683
00:36:43.220 --> 00:36:47.660
<v John Campbell>And so you need the characters teaching in the earlier years too.

684
00:36:51.940 --> 00:36:52.560
<v Duncan Steel>Thank you.

685
00:36:52.600 --> 00:36:54.000
<v Duncan Steel>Anybody else who'd like to ask a question?

686
00:36:54.060 --> 00:36:54.420
<v Duncan Steel>This gentleman.

687
00:37:00.640 --> 00:37:02.540
<v Audience>The first comment I'd like to make

688
00:37:03.060 --> 00:37:06.360
<v Audience>is I very much like your idea of sparking interest.

689
00:37:07.160 --> 00:37:09.440
<v Audience>But in lighting any fire in the camp,

690
00:37:09.540 --> 00:37:12.820
<v Audience>you have to store the kindling wood at the right density

691
00:37:12.820 --> 00:37:15.300
<v Audience>and you have to hold the match there

692
00:37:15.300 --> 00:37:17.700
<v Audience>for the right length of time to get it going.

693
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:20.740
<v Audience>And that's why you have to have a bit of a background

694
00:37:20.740 --> 00:37:22.380
<v Audience>when you come to do physics.

695
00:37:22.460 --> 00:37:24.700
<v Audience>Just like in getting plasma fusion going,

696
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:27.240
<v Audience>you have to have the right density,

697
00:37:27.240 --> 00:37:29.060
<v Audience>the right temperature and the right time.

698
00:37:30.360 --> 00:37:33.180
<v Audience>The other point that I would like to make

699
00:37:33.180 --> 00:37:36.380
<v Audience>is I went through exactly the system in New Zealand

700
00:37:36.380 --> 00:37:37.220
<v Audience>that you talked about,

701
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.260
<v Audience>going through university, getting my physics degree,

702
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:46.240
<v Audience>going to the teacher's college and then getting...

703
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:49.800
<v Audience>Because all the other ones had gone overseas,

704
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:50.860
<v Audience>I got a job in the university

705
00:37:50.860 --> 00:37:53.280
<v Audience>and then finally ended up here at Flinders University.

706
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:57.200
<v Audience>But I did everything that...

707
00:37:57.200 --> 00:38:02.620
<v Audience>you talked about in terms of putting the demonstrations on.

708
00:38:03.340 --> 00:38:07.160
<v Audience>But when it came to bums on seats, those didn't work.

709
00:38:07.740 --> 00:38:09.680
<v Audience>The students in my class,

710
00:38:09.740 --> 00:38:11.680
<v Audience>they actually learnt to learn for themselves,

711
00:38:11.740 --> 00:38:16.660
<v Audience>but they didn't get the same number of marks in the exams

712
00:38:17.420 --> 00:38:20.840
<v Audience>because I didn't actually feed them back the exact answers

713
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:23.460
<v Audience>that everybody else was doing so they could get the answers.

714
00:38:23.720 --> 00:38:26.960
<v Audience>And that's what's happened to physics and science.

715
00:38:27.200 --> 00:38:30.440
<v Audience>It's all repetition, rote learning.

716
00:38:31.380 --> 00:38:32.080
<v Audience>Thank you.

717
00:38:33.160 --> 00:38:34.120
<v John Campbell>Yes, I...

718
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:42.160
<v John Campbell>There was too much of that going on.

719
00:38:42.300 --> 00:38:45.580
<v John Campbell>I remember years ago, though, even, at high school,

720
00:38:47.360 --> 00:38:50.900
<v John Campbell>the best boys' school in their final year at high school,

721
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.060
<v John Campbell>they never actually got their hands on any apparatus.

722
00:38:53.220 --> 00:38:56.600
<v John Campbell>All they did was practise on exam questions.

723
00:38:57.660 --> 00:39:01.320
<v John Campbell>And now what is happening even in schools is that...

724
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:03.520
<v John Campbell>In New Zealand, I can't really speak about here,

725
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:06.640
<v John Campbell>they're having to evaluate the kids all the time

726
00:39:06.640 --> 00:39:08.520
<v John Campbell>to show they've reached certain targets.

727
00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:13.560
<v John Campbell>And too much of the teacher's time is going on this evaluation and so on.

728
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:15.940
<v John Campbell>And things like chemistry,

729
00:39:16.040 --> 00:39:20.800
<v John Campbell>they can't do lecture demonstrations in case they hurt someone.

730
00:39:21.120 --> 00:39:23.320
<v John Campbell>Everything is banned with the slightest...

731
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:24.720
<v John Campbell>There's the slightest bit of trouble.

732
00:39:25.380 --> 00:39:29.420
<v John Campbell>That's why that DVD is absolutely politically incorrect.

733
00:39:30.700 --> 00:39:33.440
<v John Campbell>I walk up to a Tesla coil that's sparking

734
00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:36.000
<v John Campbell>and walk up to it and touch it and walk away again.

735
00:39:36.600 --> 00:39:38.480
<v John Campbell>Now, I wouldn't advocate a teacher does that

736
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:40.520
<v John Campbell>unless they know what they're doing.

737
00:39:41.260 --> 00:39:44.620
<v John Campbell>But there are too many things that are being dropped out

738
00:39:44.620 --> 00:39:47.560
<v John Campbell>because the poor teacher doesn't dare do it.

739
00:39:48.380 --> 00:39:50.300
<v John Campbell>Same with outdoor education, isn't it?

740
00:39:50.460 --> 00:39:51.780
<v John Campbell>I mean, there's a case here.

741
00:39:54.740 --> 00:39:56.520
<v John Campbell>It was here a few days ago, wasn't it?

742
00:39:56.580 --> 00:39:58.360
<v John Campbell>Where they'd gone out and gone round an island.

743
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:01.500
<v John Campbell>Well, a lot of teachers are going to be real wary about that.

744
00:40:01.540 --> 00:40:04.540
<v John Campbell>They realise if one had died, they would have been in a big pickle.

745
00:40:05.140 --> 00:40:07.900
<v John Campbell>And so there's a lot of outdoor education no longer happening.

746
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:10.580
<v John Campbell>Yes, please.

747
00:40:11.240 --> 00:40:15.240
<v Audience>Hi. I'm really sad I missed most of the talk of tending to the kiddies.

748
00:40:15.420 --> 00:40:17.580
<v Audience>But I was born in New Zealand

749
00:40:17.580 --> 00:40:19.080
<v Audience>and I'm one of those...

750
00:40:19.080 --> 00:40:21.880
<v Audience>Probably there's lots of descendants of Ernest Rutherford running around.

751
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:24.240
<v Audience>And I noticed that you're writing a bio of him.

752
00:40:24.720 --> 00:40:26.160
<v Audience>He's my great-grandmother's brother.

753
00:40:27.200 --> 00:40:29.860
<v Audience>If it's relevant, I guess this was mostly about teaching

754
00:40:29.860 --> 00:40:32.160
<v Audience>and if anyone else has got teacher questions, put them in first.

755
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:36.200
<v Audience>But I'd be interested to know what you're doing on Ernest, Uncle Ernie,

756
00:40:36.300 --> 00:40:38.660
<v Audience>and what's going on, what's interesting about his life.

757
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:39.040
<v Audience>Thanks.

758
00:40:41.820 --> 00:40:42.960
<v Duncan Steel>You've only got two minutes, John.

759
00:40:45.100 --> 00:40:45.780
<v John Campbell>No trouble.

760
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:48.760
<v Duncan Steel>John could talk for 24 hours without taking a breath

761
00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:50.740
<v Duncan Steel>in response to that question. Carry on, John.

762
00:40:51.080 --> 00:40:53.300
<v John Campbell>My biography is available out in the bookshop.

763
00:40:53.300 --> 00:40:54.840
<v John Campbell>There's about four copies there.

764
00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:00.200
<v John Campbell>There's a website, www.rutherford.org.nz.

765
00:41:00.460 --> 00:41:04.860
<v John Campbell>Next year is the centennial of his Nobel Prize,

766
00:41:05.020 --> 00:41:07.760
<v John Campbell>the first awarded to a New Zealand educated person

767
00:41:08.300 --> 00:41:12.040
<v John Campbell>and also the first awarded for work in Canada.

768
00:41:12.420 --> 00:41:16.140
<v John Campbell>Both countries will almost certainly have commemorative stamps,

769
00:41:16.420 --> 00:41:18.440
<v John Campbell>but it hasn't been confirmed yet.

770
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:22.880
<v John Campbell>And one other link with here,

771
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:25.600
<v John Campbell>coming here on the plane,

772
00:41:25.800 --> 00:41:31.760
<v John Campbell>the exit sign is red with these green letters saying exit.

773
00:41:32.020 --> 00:41:34.700
<v John Campbell>And this sign has to work without power.

774
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:40.740
<v John Campbell>And it does that by having radioactive gas, tritium, in there.

775
00:41:40.860 --> 00:41:44.640
<v John Campbell>If it breaks, it's light, it goes upwards, so it's no great danger.

776
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:46.540
<v John Campbell>It's got a half-life of 11 years.

777
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:51.480
<v John Campbell>Tritium was discovered by Ernest Rutherford and Mark Oliphant,

778
00:41:51.520 --> 00:41:52.200
<v John Campbell>who was the...

779
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:56.160
<v John Campbell>came back here as the governor of South Australia.

780
00:41:57.260 --> 00:41:58.580
<v John Campbell>An Adelaide boy.

781
00:42:00.460 --> 00:42:01.380
<v Duncan Steel>Thank you very much, John.

782
00:42:01.500 --> 00:42:03.920
<v Duncan Steel>It's probably about time to call things to a halt.

783
00:42:05.080 --> 00:42:08.760
<v Duncan Steel>As I said, John will be speaking again here in about 30 minutes' time.

784
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:11.960
<v Duncan Steel>Unfortunately, the organisers like to have the hall cleared in between sessions,

785
00:42:13.140 --> 00:42:14.900
<v Duncan Steel>so we're all going to need to leave.

786
00:42:14.980 --> 00:42:20.120
<v Duncan Steel>I just want to leave you with one other very quick physics demonstration,

787
00:42:20.240 --> 00:42:21.880
<v Duncan Steel>which I know John knows all about.

788
00:42:21.880 --> 00:42:25.100
<v Duncan Steel>Physics, chemistry and biology are around us all the time,

789
00:42:25.240 --> 00:42:26.840
<v Duncan Steel>and it's easy to try and show that to people.

790
00:42:27.020 --> 00:42:28.300
<v Duncan Steel>If you take your programme...

791
00:42:28.780 --> 00:42:31.020
<v Duncan Steel>Unfortunately, it would be better if I had an elastic band to go around it,

792
00:42:31.140 --> 00:42:33.920
<v Duncan Steel>but you're all going to be watching the Wimbledon finals, I guess,

793
00:42:34.040 --> 00:42:36.360
<v Duncan Steel>or some of you, late at night over the next couple of days,

794
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:38.920
<v Duncan Steel>and you see people tossing the tennis racket into the air

795
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:40.280
<v Duncan Steel>and then catching it again by the handle.

796
00:42:40.420 --> 00:42:42.020
<v Duncan Steel>Very few people see what's actually happening.

797
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:44.540
<v Duncan Steel>The tennis racket does a revolution like that,

798
00:42:44.620 --> 00:42:47.120
<v Duncan Steel>but you also find it does a revolution like that.

799
00:42:47.180 --> 00:42:50.300
<v Duncan Steel>It's to do with the values for the moments of inertia around the different axes.

800
00:42:50.560 --> 00:42:51.860
<v Duncan Steel>In fact, your programme will do the same.

801
00:42:51.860 --> 00:42:54.120
<v Duncan Steel>If I do a flip and then catch it again,

802
00:42:54.200 --> 00:42:56.060
<v Duncan Steel>it's actually inverted the way in which it was.

803
00:42:56.300 --> 00:42:57.620
<v Duncan Steel>You can go away and do that.

804
00:42:57.680 --> 00:43:01.040
<v Duncan Steel>Right now, outside, you will find if you do a complete flip that way,

805
00:43:01.420 --> 00:43:03.360
<v Duncan Steel>what it does is it lands up the other way.

806
00:43:04.420 --> 00:43:07.460
<v Duncan Steel>That's very simple physics, and it's right there in the palms of your hands.

807
00:43:07.680 --> 00:43:10.620
<v Duncan Steel>You can win drinks, I'm sure, in the pubs by showing that to people.

808
00:43:11.300 --> 00:43:12.800
<v Duncan Steel>Can you all thank John very much?

