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<v Paul Hamra>Let's get underway. My name's Paul Hamra from the Independent Weekly Newspaper.

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<v Paul Hamra>We're actually, it's great to see such a big crowd here this morning to listen to Marion

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<v Paul Hamra>about freedom of the press. It's an issue that's close to my heart and obviously close to yours as

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<v Paul Hamra>well. Marion, welcome to Adelaide. A little bit about Marion. Marion was brought up in Brisbane

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<v Paul Hamra>and graduated at Queensland University. She helped set up Brisbane's first alternative FM

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<v Paul Hamra>radio station, 4ZZZ, and helped run its first newsroom. Marion was hired by the National Times

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<v Paul Hamra>in Sydney covering politics and organised crime before becoming the paper's Washington

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<v Paul Hamra>correspondent. On her return to Australia, she joined ABC Television's Four Corners program

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<v Paul Hamra>as a reporter and later became the program's executive producer.

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<v Paul Hamra>Since then, Marion has worked at The Australian, The Sydney Morning Herald in reporting and editing

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<v Paul Hamra>roles. In 2002, she was appointed Washington correspondent for The Sydney Morning Herald

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<v Paul Hamra>and The Melbourne Age and reported the 2004 presidential campaign. She returns to The

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<v Paul Hamra>Sydney Morning Herald as a senior reporter covering national security, the coal inquiry

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<v Paul Hamra>into oil for food scandal.

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<v Paul Hamra>And she's also a senior reporter for the National Security and the Coal Inquiry into oil for food

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<v Paul Hamra>scandal. She is author of several books on Australian politics, including The Fixer,

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<v Paul Hamra>the unauthorised biography of Graham Richardson, and Dark Victory with David Marr. Welcome, Marion.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Thanks, Paul. And can I say congratulations on your media revolution here in Adelaide by

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<v Marian Wilkinson>challenging the advertiser as the paper's...

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<v Marian Wilkinson>My talk today is called Gagging on Freedom, a rather provocative title. And maybe I was feeling a

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<v Marian Wilkinson>bit under the gun when I gave this title to the organisers of the festival. But there's some

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<v Marian Wilkinson>thoughts that I have been ruminating on, I think, since covering the lead up to the Iraq war in the

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<v Marian Wilkinson>United States and since my return from Washington. Last year, a young Arabic woman, a young Arabic

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<v Marian Wilkinson>widow wrote an impassioned plea on a blog site called Don't Bomb Us. It began, somewhere in a

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<v Marian Wilkinson>dusty drawer in the deserted bedroom that used to belong to me and my husband Tariq before his killing

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<v Marian Wilkinson>lies the statement issued by the American

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<v Marian Wilkinson>army apologising for what it described as the accident of bombing the Al Jazeera office in Baghdad,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>which resulted in the killing of my 33 year old husband, Tariq Ayub, who was reporting from Baghdad

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<v Marian Wilkinson>during the war. The widow, Dima, was trying fruitlessly to sue the US military over the death of

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<v Marian Wilkinson>her husband during the invasion of Iraq in April 2003. In the lead up to the war, the

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Al Jazeera had helpfully provided the coordinates of its Baghdad office to the Pentagon, hoping to

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<v Marian Wilkinson>avoid such an accident. Despite this precaution, Dima was told by every lawyer who looked at her

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<v Marian Wilkinson>case, it wouldn't be impossible to prove her husband was not just a tragic accident of war,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>and as an experienced reporter, he would have known the risks. But the widow's quest for justice

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<v Marian Wilkinson>begin to begin to begin to begin to begin to begin to begin to begin to begin to begin to begin to begin to

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<v Marian Wilkinson>to Bush. The conversation took place about a year

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<v Marian Wilkinson>after Tariq's death in Baghdad. It allegedly

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<v Marian Wilkinson>revealed Bush floating the idea about the possibility

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<v Marian Wilkinson>of bombing Al Jazeera's global headquarters in Qatar.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>At the time, the two leaders were discussing the

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<v Marian Wilkinson>US siege of Fallujah, one of the bloodiest episodes in

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<v Marian Wilkinson>post-war Iraq. At this time,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>another Al Jazeera journalist, Ahmed Mansour,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>was broadcasting horrific images from Fallujah of civilian

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<v Marian Wilkinson>casualties inside the city. US commanders in the White

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<v Marian Wilkinson>House were infuriated by Al Jazeera's reporting.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The Mirra story, when it broke, was quickly dismissed

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<v Marian Wilkinson>by White House spokesmen as outlandish, and Blair

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<v Marian Wilkinson>labelled it a conspiracy theory. But almost immediately

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<v Marian Wilkinson>strenuous efforts were made to

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<v Marian Wilkinson>support the Al Jazeera story.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The British Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith, threatened all British media outlets with the Official Secrets Act, if anyone dared to publish it.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The civil servant who leaked the memo, David Keogh, was put on trial with his friend, Leo O'Connor, who was the labour staffer who had received the document from him.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>From the beginning of their trial, the judge frequently closed the court to the media to keep the memo secret.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>A freedom of information,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>a permission request by Al Jazeera for a copy of the memo, was denied by Downing Street.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>In May this year, the two leakers were found guilty of making

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<v Marian Wilkinson>a damaging disclosure in violation of the British Official Secrets Act.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>To date, the most telling description

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<v Marian Wilkinson>of the controversial memo has come from Keogh's lawyer during the trial.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>He told the court the civil servant found the material

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<v Marian Wilkinson>in the memo utterly wrong, and he risked losing it.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>He said he was not willing to expose the memo,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>because he was not willing to expose the person who was using his job, his pension, and even his liberty to expose it.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>But while the leakers were convicted, the memo stayed secret.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Today, we still don't know if the Mirror's account is true,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>or if, as many suspected, Bush was simply joking about the bombing of Al Jazeera's media headquarters.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Whatever the truth, the British journalists who covered the trial were effectively gagged.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The serious allegation of President Bush's

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<v Marian Wilkinson>discussion of a crime was brushed aside.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>And tragically, the widow of Al Jazeera's Baghdad correspondent

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<v Marian Wilkinson>is left convinced that her husband was targeted by the American military

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<v Marian Wilkinson>out to get the Arab news organisation simply because it cannot be controlled.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The outcome of this case for me is a pitiful result for democracy.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>It feeds the belief that our leaders are unaccountable.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>It feeds conspiracy theories

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<v Marian Wilkinson>in the Middle East that America is capable of assassinating any Arab journalist who challenges them.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Most importantly, it sends a message that the Western media,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>so crucial in upholding press freedom around the world,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>is increasingly incapable of penetrating the secrecy and spin that now protects their elected leaders.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Since September 11, this secrecy and spin around national security

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<v Marian Wilkinson>has inflicted enormous damage on the Western media.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>This damage, of course, climaxed during the Iraq war.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>In the US, Britain and here in Australia,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>it will take many years for us in the media to recover from the mistakes made during the campaign to prosecute that war.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Just as Blair, Bush and Howard's credibility on national security

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<v Marian Wilkinson>was shredded in the aftermath of the invasion,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>so too was the credibility of many prominent journalists and editors.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>As the former US National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski put it recently,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>if we go to anyone today and we say we have proof there are 20 atomic bombs in Iran,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>who is going to believe us?

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Today I want to talk about how the media here in Australia is struggling to hold its own

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<v Marian Wilkinson>as our politicians become increasingly expert

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<v Marian Wilkinson>in their strategies to control what information gets to the public.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>These strategies, once employed under the cloak of national security,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>are now routinely used to control information across a range of issues,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>whether it's climate change, defence spending or industrial relations.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Central to this is raising the penalties for any public official

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<v Marian Wilkinson>who dares disclose information to journalists that governments want to suppress.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>It is about creating an atmosphere of fear amongst these public servants,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>military officers and police officers who risk losing their careers,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>pensions and possibly their liberty if they speak to journalists out of conscience.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The current head of Prime Minister and Cabinet spelt this policy out a few years ago.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Defending his decision to call in police whenever any document leaks from the government,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Peter Shergold described the situation as,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>he described leaking to the media as democratic sabotage.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Leaking, he said, blows apart the Westminster tradition of confidentiality

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<v Marian Wilkinson>upon which the provision of frank and fearless advice depends.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>This, frankly, is bunkum in today's war over information that is raging

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<v Marian Wilkinson>between the government and the media.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The reality right now is that few of our senior bureaucrats

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<v Marian Wilkinson>give unfettered frankness.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The government is the only one that can give frank and fearless advice.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Or, as the head of the Department of Foreign Affairs, Michael Lestrange,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>I think it's quite appropriate for frank and fearless advice

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<v Marian Wilkinson>from public servants to government to take what he called appropriate account

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<v Marian Wilkinson>of the government's objectives and priorities.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>From the Prime Minister down, ministers employ legions of public affairs specialists,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>press secretaries and communications advisers,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>along with their top bureaucrats,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>to spin the media in order to get the message out that they want the public to hear.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>At the same time, these officials sit on information damaging the government

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<v Marian Wilkinson>or try to limit its impact.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Recently, my colleague Peter Harcher interviewed the former head of the Prime Minister's office,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Arthur Sinodinos.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The once powerful adviser described a key function of Howard's office on a day-to-day basis,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>as the Prime Minister's preoccupation with, quote,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>filling the vacuum to dominate the media and the political airspace.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Sinodinos described an office where the Prime Minister and his senior staff

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<v Marian Wilkinson>would spend the vast bulk of their time on a typical parliamentary sitting day,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>monitoring the media, anticipating the media,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>and preparing for dealing with the Labor Party in question time.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>As Sinodinos said,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>if you leave a vacuum, it will be filled by others.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>In this atmosphere, it is almost impossible to expect a serious debate on any policy,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>whether it is on Iraq or industrial relations.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Instead, debate rapidly descends into a political blood sport,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>with barricades from the media lining up on either side of the fence.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>What we in the media and the public increasingly understand

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<v Marian Wilkinson>is there are, on almost a daily basis,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>official leaks to favoured media to push the government's case.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>One clear example, in June 2003,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>the Herald Sun's chief political columnist, Andrew Bolt,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>an ardent supporter of Howard's Iraq policy,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>carried an exclusive story on a classified intelligence report

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<v Marian Wilkinson>produced by the Office of National Assessments in the lead-up to the Iraq war.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>ONA is the official official

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The author of this report was a government critic,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Andrew Wilkie, who had resigned over the decision to go to war.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Bolt reported in the Herald Sun that Wilkie had given

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<v Marian Wilkinson>what he called alarmist assessments of what could go wrong

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<v Marian Wilkinson>in the aftermath of an invasion of Iraq,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>based on information from NGOs.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>This included that the invasion would lead to widespread killing,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>and up to 1.5 million people killed.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>This included that the invasion would lead to up to 1.4 million refugees.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>In his column, Bolt savaged Wilkie's confidential intelligence assessments.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>So let's sum it up, Bolt wrote.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Wilkie, in his one written assessment of Iraq,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>in his real area of expertise,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>issued warnings that turned out, with hindsight,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The war happened, all right,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>but there were no refugees, no huge casualties.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>no humanitarian disaster of any kind.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Like many in the media, of course,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Bolt's analysis about the war was based on the 24-hour news cycle.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>It was written in the heady days after President Bush

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<v Marian Wilkinson>A few years down the track,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Wilkie's analysis is closer to the mark than either Bolt's or Bush's.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>But Andrew Wilkie ended up paying a terrible personal

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<v Marian Wilkinson>His reputation was trashed by, amongst others,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>who spread the rumour that he was mentally unstable.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>But the point of this tale is the Federal Police investigation

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<v Marian Wilkinson>that followed Bolt's pro-government leak.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Bluntly, it didn't get very far.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>This was despite one senior police officer telling the Canberra Times

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<v Marian Wilkinson>anyone who could not solve this problem

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<v Marian Wilkinson>I recently spoke to the alleged source of this leak,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>He declined to discuss his interview with the police.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>My aim was not to expose him

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<v Marian Wilkinson>or indeed to encourage the pursuit of leakers,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>but to extract at least an acknowledgement

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<v Marian Wilkinson>that governments have always leaked

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The only thing that really matters now

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<v Marian Wilkinson>who leaks information that counters the government spin.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Unofficial media leaks usually come from more junior officers

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<v Marian Wilkinson>troubled by what they see

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<v Marian Wilkinson>and what the government chooses to ignore or suppress.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>It's these officials who speak off the record

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<v Marian Wilkinson>to reporters to counter the spin

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<v Marian Wilkinson>who find themselves battling investigations,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>denigration in the media

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<v Marian Wilkinson>or simply having their careers shut.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>cut short. And today I want to briefly touch on a few instances where secrecy and spin by the

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Howard government has led to disastrous policy outcomes. The small number of reporters and

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<v Marian Wilkinson>officials who attempted to break down the spin were unsurprisingly pilloried for their efforts.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Let's look specifically at national security, those words that are used to invoke, that are

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<v Marian Wilkinson>invoked to justify the suppression of information on a regular basis. And I want to examine briefly

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<v Marian Wilkinson>the case of Alan Kessing. Kessing, you probably know, was a public servant who worked in the

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Customs Border Security team in Sydney. And I must say here that he is denied ever leaking to the

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<v Marian Wilkinson>media. However, he was accused of this. A few years ago, the Howard government, of course, was pouring

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<v Marian Wilkinson>billions of dollars

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<v Marian Wilkinson>into national security in the aftermath of September 11, as we were all deeply worried about a terrorist

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<v Marian Wilkinson>attack in this country. Kessing and his boss at the time wrote two damning reports about security at

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Sydney Airport. The reports detailed security breaches, illegal activity, and most disturbingly,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>the finding that 39 out of 500 security screeners at the airport themselves had serious criminal

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Kessing's reports went up the line to his superiors, who were apparently unimpressed. The reports sat there for two years, until the

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Chappelle Corby case turned an unwelcome spotlight on Sydney Airport.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Against this backdrop, Alan Kessing's damning reports hit the media. They were two years old, but they finally jolted the

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<v Marian Wilkinson>government into action. Under attack from all quarters, the minister announced his

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<v Marian Wilkinson>return to Sydney Airport. The report was a

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Kessing was released. Federal police charged him under the Crimes Act with leaking the report that triggered the inquiry.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Last month, he received a nine-month suspended sentence for breaching the Crimes Act over the unlawful leaking of

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<v Marian Wilkinson>information to the Australian newspaper. While Kessing waited to stand trial, his old customs department was

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<v Marian Wilkinson>cooperating in a public relations offensive, a Channel 9 production that would soon become a

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Border security, Australia's front line. Officials from customs, along with immigration and quarantine, were instructed to give the show's cameras

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<v Marian Wilkinson>full access to all areas of national security, allowing the cameras to be in the thick of the action, covering all the suspense, drama and emotion of life on the front line.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>But they certainly didn't want to know about Alan Kessing's role on the front line.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>And he was not wanted on the border security program. In the government's eyes, he was a threat, like any other government official suspected of giving media the information that undermines the spin coming from their political masters.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Yet I would argue whoever leaked those reports provided a valuable service. And a couple of years ago, a similar leak might have averted a cover-up of the greatest bribery scandal in Australia's history that happened right after the

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<v Marian Wilkinson>beginnance of beginnance of beginnance of beginnance of beginnance of beginnance of beginnance .

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<v Marian Wilkinson>A year before, a damning UN report castigated AWB

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<v Marian Wilkinson>and an Australian colonel working for the occupation government.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Yet no one in foreign affairs, trade,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>or the Defence Department, had the gumption to make this public.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>It was left to the head of the UN investigation, Paul Volcker,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>to put pressure on the Australian government behind the scenes.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>In the end, of course,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>no amount of information was available to the Australian government.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>No amount of secrecy and spin could cover up the AWB scandal.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>But the government's efforts to protect AWB

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<v Marian Wilkinson>have trashed Australia's global reputation

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<v Marian Wilkinson>on upholding the international laws against bribery.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Now our finger-waving at others is viewed with deep cynicism

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<v Marian Wilkinson>from the Solomon Islands to Papua New Guinea.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The Iraq war, of course, was the mother of all spin strategies

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<v Marian Wilkinson>and demonstrated all too clearly what happens

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<v Marian Wilkinson>when the media is swamped by government spin,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>in this case, in a campaign that was globally managed.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>I was in Washington at the time,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>and the stage-managed release of information,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>both in the lead-up to the war and the early months of fighting,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>was, I think, one of the worst propaganda exercises

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<v Marian Wilkinson>It was extremely crude to observe up close,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>were passed on, of course, to Canberra.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The White House and Pentagon press secretaries

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The Brits, at least, had a fair bit of spin of their own to offer,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>as the infamous Alastair Campbell, Blair's former media sphingali,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Our own man, who I knew well,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>was a rather modest middle-level foreign affairs PR,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>and I was a little surprised to see

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<v Marian Wilkinson>was simply to listen and relay the spin for the day.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Looking back now, I wonder how any official

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<v Marian Wilkinson>I think that what happened in the Iraq War

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<v Marian Wilkinson>and that's not even current information.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>When the 21st century dawned,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The end of the Cold War and the rise of the internet

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<v Marian Wilkinson>But since September, a plethora of new counter-terrorism laws,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>an unquenchable desire by governments to control information

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<v Marian Wilkinson>and the demands of the 24-hour news cycle

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<v Marian Wilkinson>are all squeezing quality media in democracies.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>This, combined with an increasing concentration of the media

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<v Marian Wilkinson>and a managerial culture ruled by the bottom line,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The Australian Press Freedom Report

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<v Marian Wilkinson>summed up the situation

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<v Marian Wilkinson>and their findings this year with a stark warning.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Quote,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>An anti-disclosure culture prevails

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<v Marian Wilkinson>and is enforced by government and corporate attacks on the press.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The media are increasingly managed and marginalised

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<v Marian Wilkinson>by public affairs personnel

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<v Marian Wilkinson>and their requests for information are refused

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<v Marian Wilkinson>and their professional obligations criminalised.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Of course, compared to our colleagues around the world,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>from Baghdad to Moscow, from Tehran to Hanoi,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>we in the Western media have it easy.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>But we are also the beacon for the rest of the world's media.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>If our reporting cannot cut through the secrecy

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<v Marian Wilkinson>our colleagues elsewhere have little hope.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>This is, I believe, a really crucial point

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<v Marian Wilkinson>and for me it is why the killing

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<v Marian Wilkinson>More than 30 years ago,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>I covered the killing of the five Australian newsmen

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<v Marian Wilkinson>At the time, the true story of their deaths was hidden by secrecy

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<v Marian Wilkinson>and spin both from Canberra and Jakarta,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>This year, three decades later, an independent inquest

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<v Marian Wilkinson>into their deaths with the power to demand documents

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<v Marian Wilkinson>and compel witnesses to appear began to unravel the true story.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The inquest this year has heard evidence never before revealed

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<v Marian Wilkinson>that Canberra was aware of the deaths the day they happened,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>An ex-Navy linguist, Robin Dix,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>that the Indonesians had been intercepted using the word dibunu,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>I will never forget it, he told the inquest.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>I will remember it word for word.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>The intercept was sent to the highest levels in Canberra.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>About one hour after it was sent

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Robin Dix said the caller was from the Prime Minister's Department

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Since then, 30 years ago, all records

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<v Marian Wilkinson>of that intercept was not amongst any documents DSD had provided

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Other critical documents have also disappeared.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>What do we do?

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<v Marian Wilkinson>And the reply came, burn them.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Three weeks into the extraordinary hearings,

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<v Marian Wilkinson>from DSD claiming it would damage the service if its methods

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Methods that were now 30 years old.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>But national security were the magic words and key parts

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<v Marian Wilkinson>of the inquest were subsequently closed to the public.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>32 years ago, reporting on this story on student radio,

422
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<v Marian Wilkinson>the same arguments were used.

423
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<v Marian Wilkinson>Back then, I passionately believed I was working towards a future

424
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<v Marian Wilkinson>when a free media would make governments

425
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<v Marian Wilkinson>around the world more accountable to their citizens.

426
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<v Marian Wilkinson>Today, I am sobered by our halting progress.

427
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<v Marian Wilkinson>But despite this, I maintain my faith in our media.

428
00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:57.920
<v Marian Wilkinson>I have faith too that in the aftermath

429
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<v Marian Wilkinson>of Iraq and the children overboard affair,

430
00:29:00.460 --> 00:29:04.260
<v Marian Wilkinson>the public is increasingly put off by the stale tactics

431
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<v Marian Wilkinson>of political manipulation.

432
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<v Marian Wilkinson>And most importantly, I maintain my faith in the men and women

433
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<v Marian Wilkinson>in government who still believe in an open society.

434
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<v Marian Wilkinson>As a great Israeli writer, David Grossman chides us,

435
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<v Marian Wilkinson>if we do not remind ourselves that a better future is possible,

436
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<v Marian Wilkinson>we may never find the strength we all need to get there.

437
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<v Marian Wilkinson>Thank you.

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<v Paul Hamra>We've got about 15 minutes for questions.

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<v Paul Hamra>So if anyone has a question.

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<v Paul Hamra>Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you aware that initially we're talking about free speech,

442
00:29:55.460 --> 00:29:56.780
<v Speaker 3>it's become free expression?

443
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<v Speaker 3>And they are now splitting free expression

444
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<v Speaker 3>into free speech and hate speech.

445
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<v Speaker 3>For example, a bureaucrat, Richard Craig,

446
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<v Speaker 3>who worked for air services for 10 years in Canberra,

447
00:30:09.980 --> 00:30:12.080
<v Speaker 3>attended the Holocaust Conference in Tehran,

448
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<v Speaker 3>and upon his return, he was sacked.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>No, I wasn't aware of that, although I do,

450
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<v Marian Wilkinson>I think there have been, yes, legal efforts

451
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<v Marian Wilkinson>to separate out the issue of opinion

452
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<v Marian Wilkinson>and what's actually factual.

453
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<v Marian Wilkinson>I think that it's become very complicated with this,

454
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<v Marian Wilkinson>with the changes to the sedition laws, which, as you may know,

455
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<v Marian Wilkinson>the media organisations are still heavily lobbying against.

456
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<v Marian Wilkinson>But despite the Australian Law Reform Commission report

457
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<v Marian Wilkinson>suggesting serious amendments to the Sedition Act

458
00:30:50.560 --> 00:30:54.840
<v Marian Wilkinson>that the government has brought in,

459
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:57.280
<v Marian Wilkinson>those changes still have not been done.

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<v Speaker 4>So, I think that's a very important issue.

461
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<v Speaker 4>Some years ago here in South Australia,

462
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<v Speaker 4>we had a parliament, and, apparently,

463
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<v Speaker 4>because I'm independent, attempted to use his support

464
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<v Speaker 4>for the Rand government conditionally on,

465
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<v Speaker 4>or imposed a condition that there be wholesale political reform.

466
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<v Speaker 4>The sheer scale of what he wanted to do was so great,

467
00:31:18.600 --> 00:31:21.120
<v Speaker 4>he didn't have to be on to realise it wasn't going

468
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<v Speaker 4>to get very far, even before the,

469
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<v Speaker 4>the Mange-like nature of the Rand government became apparent.

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<v Speaker 4>Is there one way to do this?

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<v Speaker 4>Is there one significant reform you would suggest on the reform

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<v Speaker 4>of information provision that we, as a community,

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<v Speaker 4>as a democ would focus on and try and get more about?

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<v Marian Wilkinson>I suspect probably the most simple counter balancing report

475
00:31:48.020 --> 00:31:52.500
<v Marian Wilkinson>at this stage would be a radical reform

476
00:31:52.500 --> 00:31:54.400
<v Marian Wilkinson>of our freedom of information laws.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>As you may know, the,

478
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<v Marian Wilkinson>both the federal government and certainly our state government,

479
00:32:00.700 --> 00:32:02.500
<v Marian Wilkinson>I suspect probably your state government,

480
00:32:02.780 --> 00:32:07.560
<v Marian Wilkinson>have really destroyed the spirit of the freedom

481
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<v Marian Wilkinson>of information laws.

482
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<v Marian Wilkinson>I have a current request in with the defence department

483
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<v Marian Wilkinson>at the moment that has taken 18 months.

484
00:32:16.320 --> 00:32:19.500
<v Marian Wilkinson>And when you do get most of these requests back,

485
00:32:19.700 --> 00:32:22.720
<v Marian Wilkinson>they're blacked out on fairly arbitrary grounds.

486
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:26.360
<v Marian Wilkinson>When the freedom of information laws were first brought in,

487
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:27.880
<v Marian Wilkinson>the spirit of the law,

488
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:31.080
<v Marian Wilkinson>the law was supposed to be that governments had

489
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<v Marian Wilkinson>to prove they had a really good reason

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<v Marian Wilkinson>for preventing the release of information.

491
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<v Marian Wilkinson>Now it seems the system is completely turned on its head.

492
00:32:41.220 --> 00:32:44.600
<v Marian Wilkinson>You have to prove every inch of the way

493
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<v Marian Wilkinson>that the government should give you those documents.

494
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<v Marian Wilkinson>It was a very interesting example recently on the,

495
00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:53.380
<v Marian Wilkinson>nothing to do with national security,

496
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:56.640
<v Marian Wilkinson>on the industrial relations laws.

497
00:32:56.860 --> 00:32:57.900
<v Marian Wilkinson>The government is,

498
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<v Marian Wilkinson>is suppressing information on work choices

499
00:33:00.620 --> 00:33:04.520
<v Marian Wilkinson>because they know it's politically difficult at this time.

500
00:33:05.140 --> 00:33:09.120
<v Marian Wilkinson>Similarly in New South Wales, our New South Wales government,

501
00:33:09.940 --> 00:33:13.420
<v Marian Wilkinson>as much as they can, tries to suppress all information

502
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<v Marian Wilkinson>on education, on what's happening in our high schools

503
00:33:17.040 --> 00:33:19.680
<v Marian Wilkinson>because they know that's politically damaging to them.

504
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<v Marian Wilkinson>And I think one of the things we can do is go

505
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<v Marian Wilkinson>to opposition parties now.

506
00:33:25.540 --> 00:33:27.760
<v Marian Wilkinson>Go to Kevin Rudd.

507
00:33:27.900 --> 00:33:33.540
<v Marian Wilkinson>Go to your Liberal Party leader in South Australia now and say,

508
00:33:33.660 --> 00:33:37.880
<v Marian Wilkinson>I want you to sign a pledge on freedom of information.

509
00:33:38.100 --> 00:33:41.040
<v Marian Wilkinson>That really does overhaul the law.

510
00:33:41.260 --> 00:33:44.980
<v Marian Wilkinson>And the media and arts allowance, alliance,

511
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<v Marian Wilkinson>another group called the Coalition for the Right to Know,

512
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<v Marian Wilkinson>which is in fact headed by some

513
00:33:50.700 --> 00:33:53.080
<v Marian Wilkinson>of our leading media proprietors amongst others,

514
00:33:53.280 --> 00:33:57.500
<v Marian Wilkinson>will give you an outline of what we need in the freedom

515
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<v Marian Wilkinson>of information.

516
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<v Marian Wilkinson>.

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<v Speaker 5>.

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<v Speaker 5>.

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<v Speaker 5>.

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<v Speaker 5>.

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<v Speaker 5>.

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<v Speaker 5>.

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<v Speaker 5>.

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<v Speaker 5>.

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<v Speaker 5>.

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<v Speaker 5>.

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<v Speaker 5>.

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<v Speaker 5>.

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<v Speaker 5>.

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<v Speaker 5>landed on the moon.

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<v Speaker 5>And second is that

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<v Speaker 5>do you or do you not believe that AIDS

543
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<v Speaker 5>was in fact developed by the

544
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<v Speaker 5>US military and first tested

545
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<v Speaker 5>in your own homeland on

546
00:34:39.680 --> 00:34:41.560
<v Speaker 5>homosexuals in San Francisco because

547
00:34:41.560 --> 00:34:43.180
<v Speaker 5>they were the most disenfranchised

548
00:34:43.180 --> 00:34:45.480
<v Speaker 5>and secondly taken over to South Africa

549
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<v Speaker 5>to be tested.

550
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<v Speaker 5>And thirdly, do you or do you not

551
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<v Speaker 5>believe that 9-11 was really

552
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<v Speaker 5>all about the invasion of Iraq?

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Sorry, the last bit.

554
00:34:55.940 --> 00:34:57.360
<v Marian Wilkinson>9-11.

555
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<v Marian Wilkinson>Sorry.

556
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<v Speaker 5>All about the invasion of Iraq to give

557
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<v Speaker 5>a military presence in the Middle East

558
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<v Speaker 5>to protect the interests of Israel.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Right.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Okay.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Well, I have to

562
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<v Marian Wilkinson>say yes, I do believe there was

563
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<v Marian Wilkinson>a moon landing.

564
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<v Marian Wilkinson>No, I don't believe that

565
00:35:16.460 --> 00:35:18.800
<v Marian Wilkinson>the HIV virus

566
00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:21.000
<v Marian Wilkinson>was developed by the US military

567
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:22.760
<v Marian Wilkinson>or US doctors.

568
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<v Marian Wilkinson>And three, I

569
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<v Marian Wilkinson>absolutely

570
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<v Marian Wilkinson>believe

571
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:29.400
<v Marian Wilkinson>that 9-11 was

572
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<v Marian Wilkinson>conducted by Al-Qaeda.

573
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<v Marian Wilkinson>I think what happened

574
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<v Marian Wilkinson>after 9-11

575
00:35:35.420 --> 00:35:37.700
<v Marian Wilkinson>though, and there

576
00:35:37.700 --> 00:35:39.860
<v Marian Wilkinson>are numerous, numerous accounts of this

577
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<v Marian Wilkinson>in the subsequent

578
00:35:42.100 --> 00:35:43.800
<v Marian Wilkinson>bipartisan inquiry

579
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:44.620
<v Marian Wilkinson>in the US

580
00:35:44.620 --> 00:35:47.100
<v Marian Wilkinson>in the 9-11 commission

581
00:35:47.100 --> 00:35:48.960
<v Marian Wilkinson>is that there was

582
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<v Marian Wilkinson>deep despair amongst

583
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<v Marian Wilkinson>senior American military

584
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<v Marian Wilkinson>and intelligence officials

585
00:35:55.220 --> 00:35:56.600
<v Marian Wilkinson>when

586
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:02.040
<v Marian Wilkinson>some of the key players in the White House,

587
00:36:02.060 --> 00:36:05.720
<v Marian Wilkinson>from Dick Cheney to Paul Wolfowitz down,

588
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:11.580
<v Marian Wilkinson>used 9-11 to become an excuse for the invasion of Iraq.

589
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.040
<v Marian Wilkinson>And I think now you,

590
00:36:14.160 --> 00:36:17.320
<v Marian Wilkinson>and I think this is an example of democracy at work.

591
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<v Marian Wilkinson>Apart from the deaths of so many American soldiers

592
00:36:23.460 --> 00:36:26.220
<v Marian Wilkinson>turning the American public off the Iraq war,

593
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:29.040
<v Marian Wilkinson>the reality is

594
00:36:29.040 --> 00:36:30.880
<v Marian Wilkinson>they honestly believe

595
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:33.180
<v Marian Wilkinson>that their country has not been made

596
00:36:33.180 --> 00:36:35.880
<v Marian Wilkinson>any safer by the invasion of Iraq.

597
00:36:36.680 --> 00:36:38.080
<v Marian Wilkinson>There is a real feeling

598
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<v Marian Wilkinson>that

599
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:42.240
<v Marian Wilkinson>Afghanistan was abandoned

600
00:36:42.240 --> 00:36:43.960
<v Marian Wilkinson>halfway through

601
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<v Marian Wilkinson>that operation

602
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:47.120
<v Marian Wilkinson>and the Bush administration

603
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<v Marian Wilkinson>is paying the price for that

604
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<v Marian Wilkinson>at the moment.

605
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<v Marian Wilkinson>And I think

606
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<v Marian Wilkinson>one of the interesting things

607
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<v Marian Wilkinson>that some quite

608
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<v Marian Wilkinson>a number of British intelligence officials have raised

609
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<v Marian Wilkinson>is when in Britain, Australia, and the United States

610
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<v Marian Wilkinson>are we going to get a serious assessment,

611
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<v Marian Wilkinson>intelligence assessment,

612
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<v Marian Wilkinson>of the domestic terrorist implications

613
00:37:12.040 --> 00:37:14.600
<v Marian Wilkinson>of the Iraq war for our countries.

614
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<v Marian Wilkinson>The fact that that has not been commissioned

615
00:37:17.860 --> 00:37:21.900
<v Marian Wilkinson>by the government of any of the intelligence agencies here

616
00:37:22.420 --> 00:37:23.840
<v Marian Wilkinson>is I think very problematic.

617
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<v Marian Wilkinson>But in terms of the manipulation issue,

618
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<v Marian Wilkinson>I think one of the things that absolutely happened

619
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<v Marian Wilkinson>in the lead up to the Iraq war

620
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<v Marian Wilkinson>was that there was a huge effort

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<v Marian Wilkinson>by the American government

622
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<v Marian Wilkinson>and also by the Australian government

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<v Marian Wilkinson>to link Iraq to 9-11.

624
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<v Marian Wilkinson>And I think there was a survey I read at the time

625
00:37:46.520 --> 00:37:47.420
<v Marian Wilkinson>before the Iraq war

626
00:37:47.420 --> 00:37:50.360
<v Marian Wilkinson>that something like 70% of Americans

627
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:54.700
<v Marian Wilkinson>believed Saddam Hussein was somehow behind 9-11.

628
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<v Marian Wilkinson>And when you looked at

629
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<v Marian Wilkinson>the audience of Fox News,

630
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:00.600
<v Marian Wilkinson>those numbers went up.

631
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<v Speaker 4>.

632
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<v Speaker 4>Just a quick one.

633
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<v Speaker 4>Hasn't the law been changed now

634
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<v Speaker 4>to protect journalist sources?

635
00:38:10.540 --> 00:38:12.340
<v Speaker 4>They don't have to reveal their sources anymore.

636
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<v Speaker 4>And also, there's been some liberation,

637
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<v Speaker 4>liberalisation of that information.

638
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<v Speaker 4>Or should this help the situation in the future?

639
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<v Speaker 4>Should you change the situation?

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Yep.

641
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<v Marian Wilkinson>I'll deal with the first issue first

642
00:38:24.060 --> 00:38:25.300
<v Marian Wilkinson>of the protection of sources

643
00:38:25.300 --> 00:38:26.560
<v Marian Wilkinson>because it raises

644
00:38:26.940 --> 00:38:29.760
<v Marian Wilkinson>a huge dilemma for the Howard government.

645
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<v Marian Wilkinson>You may have followed the case of Harvey and McManus,

646
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<v Marian Wilkinson>the two reporters from the Herald Sun,

647
00:38:37.080 --> 00:38:41.640
<v Marian Wilkinson>who have just recently been criminally convicted of contempt.

648
00:38:42.460 --> 00:38:43.740
<v Marian Wilkinson>And that was over, of course,

649
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:47.240
<v Marian Wilkinson>the case where a public servant

650
00:38:47.240 --> 00:38:48.760
<v Marian Wilkinson>was accused of leaking to them.

651
00:38:48.980 --> 00:38:50.000
<v Marian Wilkinson>Ironically, of course,

652
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.380
<v Marian Wilkinson>the public servant had his conviction overturned.

653
00:38:52.380 --> 00:38:55.040
<v Marian Wilkinson>The two journalists have now got criminal convictions.

654
00:38:56.140 --> 00:38:56.920
<v Marian Wilkinson>Now, what happened?

655
00:38:56.940 --> 00:38:58.760
<v Marian Wilkinson>What happened was that the government

656
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<v Marian Wilkinson>was seriously distressed by this.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>I like to think it's because they, you know,

658
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<v Marian Wilkinson>do believe in the free media.

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00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:09.200
<v Marian Wilkinson>I think it also had to do with the fact

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00:39:09.200 --> 00:39:13.980
<v Marian Wilkinson>that they were deeply worried about offending the Herald Sun,

661
00:39:14.120 --> 00:39:17.040
<v Marian Wilkinson>which is the most influential newspaper in Melbourne.

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00:39:17.580 --> 00:39:20.680
<v Marian Wilkinson>So what the government tried to do was come up

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<v Marian Wilkinson>with some shield laws, which we had been lobbying for,

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00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:25.080
<v Marian Wilkinson>to protect journalists.

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00:39:25.300 --> 00:39:26.920
<v Marian Wilkinson>While, at the same time, the government was trying to do that,

666
00:39:26.920 --> 00:39:27.060
<v Marian Wilkinson>the government was trying to do that,

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00:39:27.060 --> 00:39:27.200
<v Marian Wilkinson>but at the same time,

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00:39:27.340 --> 00:39:31.180
<v Marian Wilkinson>still trying to rigorously pursue the public servants.

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00:39:32.860 --> 00:39:35.080
<v Marian Wilkinson>Of course, what's happened is the judge

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00:39:35.080 --> 00:39:37.980
<v Marian Wilkinson>in the Harvey McManus case said,

671
00:39:38.700 --> 00:39:40.720
<v Marian Wilkinson>well, more or less said to the government,

672
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:43.420
<v Marian Wilkinson>tough luck, these are your laws.

673
00:39:43.580 --> 00:39:46.900
<v Marian Wilkinson>So what the judge did was to say,

674
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:50.340
<v Marian Wilkinson>if you want to prosecute the public servant

675
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:52.840
<v Marian Wilkinson>and he's leaking to the journalists,

676
00:39:52.940 --> 00:39:56.800
<v Marian Wilkinson>we in the judiciary will not protect one against the other.

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00:39:56.920 --> 00:40:00.460
<v Marian Wilkinson>Now, what the government's done is create a law

678
00:40:00.460 --> 00:40:03.720
<v Marian Wilkinson>where journalists have got some degree of protection,

679
00:40:03.900 --> 00:40:06.340
<v Marian Wilkinson>but it is up to the judge.

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00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:09.800
<v Marian Wilkinson>It is up to the judge's discretion in the case.

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00:40:10.600 --> 00:40:12.660
<v Marian Wilkinson>Now, what's going to happen, of course,

682
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:17.260
<v Marian Wilkinson>one thing that judges hate is something that appears

683
00:40:17.260 --> 00:40:19.120
<v Marian Wilkinson>to be inequality before the law.

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00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:22.620
<v Marian Wilkinson>So if the government is going to pursue a public servant,

685
00:40:22.740 --> 00:40:26.700
<v Marian Wilkinson>a military officer, or a police officer on a leak, it's going

686
00:40:26.700 --> 00:40:31.740
<v Marian Wilkinson>to be very difficult to expect the judge to go with the discretion

687
00:40:31.740 --> 00:40:33.140
<v Marian Wilkinson>of protecting the journalist.

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00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:35.760
<v Marian Wilkinson>Sorry, I forgot your other question.

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00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:36.940
<v Marian Wilkinson>It was on the defamation laws.

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00:40:37.120 --> 00:40:42.340
<v Marian Wilkinson>Yeah. I must say that has been one of, I think,

691
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<v Marian Wilkinson>the very good reforms that we finally have uniform national

692
00:40:46.160 --> 00:40:51.460
<v Marian Wilkinson>defamation laws, and we have laws that much more firmly rely

693
00:40:51.460 --> 00:40:52.740
<v Marian Wilkinson>on truth as a defense.

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00:40:54.180 --> 00:40:54.980
<v Paul Hamra>Thank you.

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00:40:55.060 --> 00:40:55.400
<v Paul Hamra>Sarah?

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<v Speaker 6>I sense that lately the spin is wearing thin.

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<v Speaker 6>It's partly because of the loss last week of the plausible persuasiveness

698
00:41:08.720 --> 00:41:12.580
<v Speaker 6>of Tony Blair and Bernie Sanders.

699
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:17.100
<v Speaker 6>A lot to do with the hanging of, the raucous hanging of Saddam Hussein

700
00:41:17.100 --> 00:41:22.060
<v Speaker 6>to show what regime change very mildly it meant.

701
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.660
<v Speaker 6>Are you sensing a drift backwards?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes.

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00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:30.400
<v Speaker 6>Is there any truth in public utterance lately or not?

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Thanks, Bob.

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<v Marian Wilkinson>Yeah. I think that what I am sensing is that like any

706
00:41:39.420 --> 00:41:45.860
<v Marian Wilkinson>of these efforts of political manipulation, the government,

707
00:41:46.080 --> 00:41:48.660
<v Marian Wilkinson>the public is getting tired of it.

708
00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:54.240
<v Marian Wilkinson>And I think that is what is really changing attitudes.

709
00:41:55.200 --> 00:41:56.300
<v Marian Wilkinson>And I think it's having

710
00:41:56.300 --> 00:41:58.000
<v Marian Wilkinson>an impact on the media.

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00:41:58.820 --> 00:42:03.840
<v Marian Wilkinson>The fact that someone like the local head of News Limited here,

712
00:42:05.180 --> 00:42:12.660
<v Marian Wilkinson>Hartigan, has put his weight behind the coalition of the right

713
00:42:12.660 --> 00:42:15.300
<v Marian Wilkinson>to know, I think is a really big step.

714
00:42:16.720 --> 00:42:25.100
<v Marian Wilkinson>But I suspect we in the media are in part being driven by the public on this and by, you know,

715
00:42:27.340 --> 00:42:35.700
<v Marian Wilkinson>the media finally having a bit of a reexamination of itself in the aftermath of what happened in Iraq.

716
00:42:36.780 --> 00:42:45.400
<v Marian Wilkinson>But I have to say one of the areas that I am very perplexed about at the moment is how the media is

717
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:46.820
<v Marian Wilkinson>reporting work choices.

718
00:42:48.740 --> 00:42:56.280
<v Marian Wilkinson>The, I think that is a classic area where we are once again going to be caught out because, you know,

719
00:42:56.280 --> 00:43:01.400
<v Marian Wilkinson>the weight of the debate is being so heavily pushed from Canberra,

720
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:06.200
<v Marian Wilkinson>from the peak employer organizations and for that matter the peak union organizations.

721
00:43:07.120 --> 00:43:12.200
<v Marian Wilkinson>One thing I'm not seeing at the moment is that old fashioned journalism,

722
00:43:12.640 --> 00:43:17.940
<v Marian Wilkinson>and I think Elizabeth Winehouse and my colleague from The Australian is one of the few who still do it,

723
00:43:18.080 --> 00:43:24.000
<v Marian Wilkinson>of actually getting out there, forgetting the spin and reporting on the ground.

724
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:26.260
<v Marian Wilkinson>And I think that is such a good, you know,

725
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:33.460
<v Marian Wilkinson>antidote many times to the government spin rather than keep banging our heads against the door of government

726
00:43:34.060 --> 00:43:38.900
<v Marian Wilkinson>to actually get out there and find out what's going at the grassroots level.

727
00:43:39.300 --> 00:43:46.520
<v Marian Wilkinson>But as you would know, you need the support of media proprietors to do that who will spend the money,

728
00:43:46.640 --> 00:43:53.320
<v Marian Wilkinson>give you the time and then most importantly give some prominence to those stories when they're written.

729
00:44:02.380 --> 00:44:03.180
<v Paul Hamra>Thank you.

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00:44:03.180 --> 00:44:04.960
<v Paul Hamra>There's really time for one more question if anyone.

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00:44:07.040 --> 00:44:08.000
<v Paul Hamra>Yes, at the back.

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<v Speaker 7>You've raised the issue of the media proprietors and you also glossed over the issue of the bottom line thinking of lots of media owners.

733
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<v Speaker 7>To what extent do you think that they are financially gagged in the sense that they play for the government in regards to media ownership laws?

734
00:44:22.580 --> 00:44:25.520
<v Speaker 7>Because they want the government to stand on their side for their own financial interests.

735
00:44:27.580 --> 00:44:38.500
<v Marian Wilkinson>I don't, I mean, I think that that does happen but, and I think it was most obviously the case really more a few years ago,

736
00:44:38.540 --> 00:44:40.160
<v Marian Wilkinson>probably under the Labour government.

737
00:44:40.380 --> 00:44:45.940
<v Marian Wilkinson>But I think it's actually deeper than that, if you like.

738
00:44:46.060 --> 00:44:56.160
<v Marian Wilkinson>I think it goes to some issues about not only the proprietors but also the fact that these days in the media,

739
00:44:56.160 --> 00:45:05.300
<v Marian Wilkinson>a lot of the senior executives, senior news executives are among some of the most highly paid professional people in the country.

740
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:17.900
<v Marian Wilkinson>And while I think, you know, there is a natural thing of any corporate leader to have a good working relationship with government

741
00:45:17.900 --> 00:45:20.620
<v Marian Wilkinson>and I think media proprietors are exactly the same,

742
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:25.960
<v Marian Wilkinson>I think there is also a mentality now amongst senior news executives,

743
00:45:26.160 --> 00:45:33.400
<v Marian Wilkinson>that they are very much part of the people who have a very good life in Australia.

744
00:45:34.260 --> 00:45:40.180
<v Marian Wilkinson>When I first went into reporting, there was a lot of people who, in the game,

745
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:50.280
<v Marian Wilkinson>who were not necessarily tertiary educated, who lived, you know, all over Sydney when they were reporting.

746
00:45:50.420 --> 00:45:56.140
<v Marian Wilkinson>And they actually mixed far more with ordinary people than I think reporters do today.

747
00:45:56.140 --> 00:46:01.520
<v Marian Wilkinson>And I think there is a sense that we have all lost touch.

748
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:08.180
<v Marian Wilkinson>And that's not to at all, you know, dismiss what you are saying about the proprietors,

749
00:46:08.200 --> 00:46:10.540
<v Marian Wilkinson>because as I say, I think that is par for the course.

750
00:46:10.660 --> 00:46:11.520
<v Marian Wilkinson>I think that happens.

751
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:16.500
<v Marian Wilkinson>And, you know, the history of Rupert Murdoch is a telling case in that.

752
00:46:17.420 --> 00:46:25.140
<v Marian Wilkinson>But I think also at the moment it's very interesting on the IR issue because the media proprietors,

753
00:46:25.940 --> 00:46:26.120
<v Marian Wilkinson>I think,

754
00:46:26.140 --> 00:46:32.540
<v Marian Wilkinson>really like the IR laws, heavily back them and would like to see them in place.

755
00:46:32.780 --> 00:46:40.540
<v Marian Wilkinson>So I think certainly in our publications, I feel that that's a case that we are underdoing

756
00:46:40.540 --> 00:46:49.080
<v Marian Wilkinson>because there is a natural prejudice of the companies and their senior executives to support those laws.

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00:46:50.500 --> 00:46:51.180
<v Paul Hamra>Great.

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00:46:52.120 --> 00:46:53.200
<v Paul Hamra>Thank you, Marion.

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<v Paul Hamra>.

