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<v Peter Sellars>Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon and welcome to the continuation of the second

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<v Peter Sellars>Festival of Ideas here in the City of Enlightenment, Adelaide.

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<v Peter Sellars>I think the power of gathering some of the finest and most progressive thinkers and doers in the

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<v Peter Sellars>world and concentrating them in a small place actually creates a kind of very, very potent,

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<v Peter Sellars>supercharged series of inevitabilities, let's hope. And let's hope that what we're going to

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<v Peter Sellars>come out of this weekend with is a bunch of things that actually do mobilize and give courage and

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<v Peter Sellars>give strength to the voices that need to be heard.

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<v Peter Sellars>And create a wider circle of empowerment. The woman we're gathered to hear from and talk with this

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<v Peter Sellars>afternoon is one of the most extraordinary people I've ever met. Virginia McGowan is extremely well

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<v Peter Sellars>known in the circles in which she travels, but I'm happy to see those circles are widening.

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<v Peter Sellars>She's done path-breaking work in terms of the hands-on, direct questions of dealing with

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<v Peter Sellars>addiction and its consequences and its causes.

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<v Peter Sellars>Not necessarily in that order, particularly focusing in First Nations communities and indigenous

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<v Peter Sellars>communities around the world. And she's going to talk to us today about the deeper levels of

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<v Peter Sellars>understanding that this kind of work is leading her to, particularly in terms of what I hope will all

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<v Peter Sellars>emerge from this weekend with, the sense of the inner connectivity of these questions of addiction.

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<v Peter Sellars>These questions of environmental degradation. These questions of recognizing the commercial and

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<v Peter Sellars>economic disparities we're in the middle of. And what those implications are for reconciliation with

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<v Peter Sellars>ourselves, with each other, and with our place in this world. It's a huge privilege to welcome

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<v Peter Sellars>Virginia McGowan.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Thank you, Peter. I don't have any place. I don't think I can put my water.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Oh, no.

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<v Virginia McGowan>I'll just, excuse me.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Before I begin, first of all, I'd like to say what a pleasure it is to be back here in Adelaide. This is the fourth year that I've visited here and it seems to draw me back time after time.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Not the least because I have some family who immigrated here, so it makes it a

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<v Virginia McGowan>nice place to come for many different reasons. Before I begin, I'd like to acknowledge the Kaurna people and pay my respects to their elders and their land where we gather today.

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<v Virginia McGowan>I'd also like to acknowledge the keynote speaker and panel members who spoke so eloquently to us last night.

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<v Virginia McGowan>They began us off on the right foot, I think. They reminded us of the very human and political aspects of the issues we've gathered to talk about over these few days.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Addiction.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Hali-abocative

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<v Virginia McGowan>Hali- emotive are

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<v Virginia McGowan>We've learnt the intricacies of this particular enigma.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We can intercept it at various points.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We can describe its forms.

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<v Virginia McGowan>But we can't seem to crack the code.

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<v Virginia McGowan>The key continues to elude us.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And we worry about it.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We worry about how to talk about it.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We worry about how to categorize it.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We worry about how to deal with it.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We worry about its invasion into our lives.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And we worry that it has become endemic in our public and our private worlds.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Despite our best efforts in prevention, treatment, harm reduction and public order,

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<v Virginia McGowan>addiction eludes our attempt to eradicate, deal with, cope with or ignore it.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And things appear to be getting worse.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We seem to be behaving addictively across a wider range of activities that touch all levels of society.

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<v Virginia McGowan>From drugs, to gambling, to eating,

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<v Virginia McGowan>to shopping, working, sex, exercise, relationships, power, what have you.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Even our governments appear to be addicted to gambling revenues in the pursuit of balanced budgets.

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<v Virginia McGowan>The addiction treatment industry, a massive, multifaceted, multinational set of enterprises,

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<v Virginia McGowan>can only claim limited success.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Moreover, our research tells us that those who are most marginalized

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<v Virginia McGowan>and have the fewest resources,

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<v Virginia McGowan>are better off.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And that's because they are bearing the larger burden of despair.

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<v Virginia McGowan>In my talk today, I plan to look at different meanings given to the experience of addiction.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And will suggest that we are missing a key element of the code.

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<v Virginia McGowan>In many ways, things seemed easier to understand in earlier times.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We have evidence of concern about over-drinking from the hieroglyphics written on the tombs of the pharaohs.

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<v Virginia McGowan>The message wasn't terribly profound.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Essentially, it was, be careful about drinking too much,

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<v Virginia McGowan>as you will likely fall down and hurt yourself.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Citing neglect of duty to religious rights and obligations,

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<v Virginia McGowan>the early Christian church codified chronic drunkenness among the clergy.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Although not drinking itself,

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<v Virginia McGowan>they codified it as evidence of sin, requiring penance and absolution.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And similar denunciations of excessive alcohol consumption appear in the texts of other faiths as well.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Now, in 18th century Britain, a moral panic developed.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Perhaps accurate, if eyewitness accounts can be accepted,

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<v Virginia McGowan>concerning unprecedented levels of drunkenness among the working classes,

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<v Virginia McGowan>as cheap gin became widely available.

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<v Virginia McGowan>In about 1834, a select committee of the British Parliament drew attention to the health and social consequences of intoxication

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<v Virginia McGowan>experienced by the labouring poor,

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<v Virginia McGowan>prompted by concern about mortality and morbidity,

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<v Virginia McGowan>and associated impacts on the labour force,

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<v Virginia McGowan>and women's participation in public drunkenness.

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<v Virginia McGowan>By comparison, overt alcohol and other drug consumption among the upper classes

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<v Virginia McGowan>gained scant attention in their report,

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<v Virginia McGowan>as this was, purportedly, on the decline.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We see this rhetoric of concern repeated at various times in our histories.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Coffee and tobacco products have been vilified as sinful and dangerous.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Opium, marijuana, cocaine, and designer drugs more recently so.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And we notice that the rhetoric of concern is often gendered, racist, and classist.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Talk of alcoholism as addiction doesn't appear until the later part of the 18th century.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Early talk of addiction retained the rhetoric of sinnery that was evident in the stance of the early church,

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<v Virginia McGowan>and ideas about the substance itself having mystical, somewhat magical qualities.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Today we understand the shape and form of alcohol, as other drugs,

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<v Virginia McGowan>and that these drugs take different people in different ways.

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<v Virginia McGowan>In contemporary talk, the experience of taking a drug is understood to be mediated by several different factors.

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<v Virginia McGowan>The pharmacological action of the drug,

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<v Virginia McGowan>attributes of the individuals who use it,

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<v Virginia McGowan>and the social and cultural context in which this drug-taking occurs.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And some other consciousness-changing behaviors seem to operate in comparable ways to this drug use model,

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<v Virginia McGowan>although others not so much.

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<v Virginia McGowan>But what is this thing we name addiction?

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<v Virginia McGowan>Now generally we name addictive a compulsive lifestyle,

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<v Virginia McGowan>focused on relatively single-minded pursuit of an activity producing changes in one's subjective experiences of consciousness,

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<v Virginia McGowan>taking the form of both psychological and physiological dependence,

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<v Virginia McGowan>and continued despite having negative consequences.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Few set out to become addicted,

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<v Virginia McGowan>but people seem to engage in activities that can lead to addiction because, simply put, makes them feel good.

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<v Virginia McGowan>At least in the early stages,

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<v Virginia McGowan>before the drug ceases to have pleasurable effects,

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<v Virginia McGowan>or the gambling debts start rolling in.

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<v Virginia McGowan>For someone caught up in addiction,

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<v Virginia McGowan>it's as if the rest of the world has faded out,

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<v Virginia McGowan>serving only as a backdrop to an existence in which other activities and relationships become mere shadows.

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<v Virginia McGowan>This is captured exquisitely in a recent Australian novel,

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<v Virginia McGowan>where a father becomes so obsessed by the planting and naming of eucalyptus trees

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<v Virginia McGowan>that he's willing to sacrifice his only daughter to a whim,

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<v Virginia McGowan>nearly losing her body, mind and soul in the process.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And in some circles, particularly among academics who tend to worry a lot about which words are used and how,

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<v Virginia McGowan>there's periodic debate about whether addiction is or is not a useful term.

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<v Virginia McGowan>However, addiction has entered popular culture as a word that signifies worrisome,

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<v Virginia McGowan>perhaps compulsive, consumptive habits,

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<v Virginia McGowan>and it's here to stay, at least for the while.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Modern Western science explains addictive behavior as a form of addiction,

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<v Virginia McGowan>a behavior in terms of pleasure and pain, function and dysfunction.

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<v Virginia McGowan>From the media and pop psychology,

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<v Virginia McGowan>the idea that addiction is a chronic, progressive disease state has entered the popular imagination.

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<v Virginia McGowan>This is in spite of decades of research and clinical experience

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<v Virginia McGowan>indicating that addiction is not necessarily progressive,

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<v Virginia McGowan>and the notion of disease is at best a metaphor.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Now I don't tend to imply this afternoon that I possess some special mystical knowledge

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<v Virginia McGowan>or even a concrete answer to the enigma

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<v Virginia McGowan>that is addiction,

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<v Virginia McGowan>but my own experience in the field has stirred some thoughts that I will share with you today.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And these thoughts derive from several sources, including my own work in natural settings.

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<v Virginia McGowan>It's research that takes place in communities, in homes,

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<v Virginia McGowan>most often over cups of tea,

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<v Virginia McGowan>in intimate contact with day-to-day lives of people struggling with addiction,

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<v Virginia McGowan>or people reflecting on where they've been in their efforts to overcome addiction.

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<v Virginia McGowan>I've been listening to and learning from these extraordinary people,

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<v Virginia McGowan>for some years now.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And at the same time, I've been reading and discussing the writings of others in the addiction field

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<v Virginia McGowan>as well as those who are writing in the margins.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And it's my hope that the ideas I share today may stimulate further reflection on your part

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<v Virginia McGowan>and encourage you to continue these discussions

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<v Virginia McGowan>in a way that will shed some light, eventually, on the puzzle of addiction.

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<v Virginia McGowan>I've come to believe that we need to listen carefully to other meanings given to addiction,

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<v Virginia McGowan>offered by people with different histories, cultures and experiences,

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<v Virginia McGowan>for we live in a culturally mediated world that gives meaning to what we are and what we do,

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<v Virginia McGowan>what we think we are and what we think we do,

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<v Virginia McGowan>with attendant beliefs and values expressed in our discourses,

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<v Virginia McGowan>in our scripts for how we live or are expected to live.

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<v Virginia McGowan>This is a highly subjective way of understanding the different ways in which we experience what it means to be human.

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<v Virginia McGowan>This view differs somewhat from the perspective of more objective science,

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<v Virginia McGowan>which is based in experimental or epidemiological research,

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<v Virginia McGowan>and which seeks an empirical truth and supplies us with useful statistics and insights.

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<v Virginia McGowan>But the point I wish to make here is that the theories and methods of both objective scientific investigation

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<v Virginia McGowan>and more subjective social science research,

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<v Virginia McGowan>as well as the discourse of everyday mainstream life,

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<v Virginia McGowan>and that is Western cosmology or world view,

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<v Virginia McGowan>with its accompanying systems of meaning and interpretation.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And the various discourses that emerge in mainstream society

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<v Virginia McGowan>confuse more than clarify the picture.

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<v Virginia McGowan>When it comes to addiction, we are a virtual tower of Babel.

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<v Virginia McGowan>A number of distinctive discourses about addiction are evident among three groups in mainstream Western society,

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<v Virginia McGowan>and these are the experts, the general public,

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<v Virginia McGowan>and finally private individuals who are struggling with their own or others' addictive behaviors.

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<v Virginia McGowan>I'll then turn to a group of experts,

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<v Virginia McGowan>who will examine ways of understanding addiction from other perspectives.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Now, I don't mean to either essentialize or homogenize these discourses unfairly.

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<v Virginia McGowan>One can look at the separate waves in the sea and pick one out from another.

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<v Virginia McGowan>But you can also stand back and observe the larger patterns,

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<v Virginia McGowan>which is what I propose we need to do at some point.

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<v Virginia McGowan>So let's examine the first group, the experts,

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<v Virginia McGowan>The experts are prominent in mainstream discourses about addictions

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<v Virginia McGowan>and have a large say about the penalties and sanctions given,

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<v Virginia McGowan>having inherited the voice of authority held in earlier times by the church.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Absent is the rhetoric of weak-willed sinner

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<v Virginia McGowan>or supercharged substance that appeared in earlier days

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<v Virginia McGowan>as the factor underlying addictive behaviors,

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<v Virginia McGowan>and disease rhetoric is restricted largely to adherence,

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<v Virginia McGowan>a 12-step programs, a cultural form particularly prominent in North America.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Expert talk is predominantly about behavioral typologies,

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<v Virginia McGowan>contributing factors, and redirection of public concerns

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<v Virginia McGowan>At present, this expert discourse is revisiting the public health perspective of the early 18th century,

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<v Virginia McGowan>so we hear again social environmental concerns about excessive use of alcohol and other drugs.

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<v Virginia McGowan>and the nature and degree of harm associated with various patterns of drug use or levels of gambling.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Other questions are about the impact of expanded gambling or drug-using opportunities

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<v Virginia McGowan>They talk about what type of interventions make a difference, in which context, and so on.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Now there's relatively little talk of addiction per se in this discourse.

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<v Virginia McGowan>But the experts appear anxious about a wide range of patterns of misuse,

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<v Virginia McGowan>particularly intoxication, which they describe as a pattern of intensive consumption

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<v Virginia McGowan>appearing to yield the greatest harm overall to society,

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<v Virginia McGowan>evidenced by statistics on driving while impaired, violence and aggression, missed work, and social problems.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We hear them talk as well about chronic excess use and its impact on health and finances.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And finally, their talk is about dependency,

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<v Virginia McGowan>which is the preferred term replacing addiction in contemporary expert discourse

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<v Virginia McGowan>and refers to the development of reliance upon a substance or,

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<v Virginia McGowan>You notice that the language used is often detached, distant.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Briefly, and a tad uncomfortably, about spirituality.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Particularly in academia, the discourse reflects the preferred objective perspective

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<v Virginia McGowan>And nearly everyone is anxious to avoid being compromised by association with the industry

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<v Virginia McGowan>and worries about being seen to be in league with sectors such as the beverage, alcohol industry,

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<v Virginia McGowan>The public is worried about safety.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Particularly about how well they are protected against those who are seen to be in the thrall of addiction.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And about how they can prevent their kids from entering into this shadow world.

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<v Virginia McGowan>The problem of addiction is perceived to be one largely of will.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Thus, addiction is referenced as either a problem of morality, that is, a weak will,

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<v Virginia McGowan>or disease, where there is no will present.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And the concept of addiction is extended increasingly to all behaviors or lifestyles perceived to be out of control.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Public attitudes toward addiction are gained largely from media representations

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<v Virginia McGowan>such as 28 Days, Leaving Las Vegas, Traffic, Trainspotting, and so on.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Television shows ranging from Jerry Springer to ER appear to give real-life drama

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<v Virginia McGowan>to addiction, while sensationalizing and somewhat oversimplifying what is going on.

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<v Virginia McGowan>In the public sphere, the discourse reflects a complex mix of perceptions inherited from earlier times.

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<v Virginia McGowan>This includes the view that addiction stems from a lack of will or moral fiber, which is the image of the sinner.

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<v Virginia McGowan>The idea that addiction is attributable to a deficient genetic or physiological disposition,

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<v Virginia McGowan>the image of the sick person.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And that addiction in an adult likely signals earlier trauma,

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<v Virginia McGowan>such as a terrible childhood, the image of the victim.

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<v Virginia McGowan>The public is concerned with safety, and is of the view that people with addictions

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<v Virginia McGowan>are a deviant and unpredictable group from whom the rest of us must be protected.

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<v Virginia McGowan>What are those charged with law enforcement doing about the illegal drug trade and associated crime?

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<v Virginia McGowan>What's being done to create inner cities that are safe, to safeguard our homes in the suburbs?

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<v Virginia McGowan>What are reasonable taxes on beverage, alcohol, and alcohol?

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<v Virginia McGowan>And how will this expanded gambling affect charitable fundraising,

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<v Virginia McGowan>such as seniors clubs and youth groups?

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<v Virginia McGowan>The language has a tone of fear.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Fear about them having a problem from which society must be protected,

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<v Virginia McGowan>and concern about how the social harms,

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<v Virginia McGowan>associated with addiction, will impact our lives.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Now on the other hand, private individuals struggling with their own or others' addictive behaviors

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<v Virginia McGowan>appear overwhelmed by the experience of coping with or managing unmanageable situations.

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<v Virginia McGowan>They know of addiction through their personal experience,

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<v Virginia McGowan>but their discourse is often mediated by self-help talk, the language of codependency, and so on.

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<v Virginia McGowan>They speak of feeling helpless,

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<v Virginia McGowan>They worry about getting help,

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<v Virginia McGowan>There's a common thread amongst these discourses,

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<v Virginia McGowan>which is the central importance of the individual as a self-directed,

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<v Virginia McGowan>autonomous, and entrepreneurial being.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Western knowledges,

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<v Virginia McGowan>are lodged in deeply held beliefs about individual responsibility,

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<v Virginia McGowan>In this sense, addiction is codified as deviant, uncontrolled, irresponsible behavior,

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<v Virginia McGowan>From this perspective, others have observed that addiction in Western post-industrial society

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<v Virginia McGowan>has come to be regarded as the supreme evil,

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<v Virginia McGowan>both dysfunctional and dangerous,

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<v Virginia McGowan>Despite this central conceptual base,

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<v Virginia McGowan>when you examine the ways that people talk about addictive behaviors in Western society,

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<v Virginia McGowan>addiction appears as a shape-shifter,

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<v Virginia McGowan>appearing in somewhat different form to different groups of people,

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<v Virginia McGowan>and evoking somewhat different anxieties accordingly.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And this contributes to our confusion about addiction.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Beyond our fixed notions about individual autonomy and self-interested action,

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<v Virginia McGowan>there doesn't appear to be a common set of concerns or expectations.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Private individuals react in bewilderment or frustration to the discourses of experts,

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<v Virginia McGowan>which often appear to have little meaning or relevance in their world.

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<v Virginia McGowan>conduct their special internal quarrels

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<v Virginia McGowan>And so we have a growing disparity between expert discourse and everyday talk,

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<v Virginia McGowan>We're like so many people trying to describe an elephant

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<v Virginia McGowan>by closing our eyes and laying our hands on distinctly different parts of its anatomy.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We each think we've got it,

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<v Virginia McGowan>but we only have a part.

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<v Virginia McGowan>But could it be that this confused state is a signal that we have it wrong?

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<v Virginia McGowan>Does our Western cosmology, with its focus on the individual,

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<v Virginia McGowan>the pursuit of pleasure,

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<v Virginia McGowan>and attribution of social and physical dysfunction,

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<v Virginia McGowan>blind us to other ways of understanding the phenomenon that is addiction?

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<v Virginia McGowan>Perhaps, having eaten of a particular tree of knowledge,

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<v Virginia McGowan>we neither hear nor see the rest of the forest.

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<v Virginia McGowan>To return to the parable of the elephant,

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<v Virginia McGowan>our understanding of addiction remains limited to either trunk,

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<v Virginia McGowan>or an ear,

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<v Virginia McGowan>or a leg.

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<v Virginia McGowan>But the essence eludes us.

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<v Virginia McGowan>But listen.

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<v Virginia McGowan>There are other voices, other perspectives,

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<v Virginia McGowan>that have their reference points in social structures and relationships

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<v Virginia McGowan>rather than individuals.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Speaking from the margins,

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<v Virginia McGowan>an increasing number of scholars and social theorists

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<v Virginia McGowan>have pointed to structural causes of addiction,

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<v Virginia McGowan>citing historical, economic, and social forces.

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<v Virginia McGowan>For example,

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<v Virginia McGowan>of the cocaine economy of inner New York City burials,

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<v Virginia McGowan>by which young men achieve social mobility and status

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<v Virginia McGowan>that is unattainable in the mainstream,

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<v Virginia McGowan>or Currie's writing about the fault lines

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<v Virginia McGowan>along which drug abuse runs in American society.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And emerging strongly in the post-colonial world

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<v Virginia McGowan>Among them is a different discourse

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<v Virginia McGowan>about the enigma that is addiction,

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<v Virginia McGowan>which is described by several writers

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<v Virginia McGowan>as constituting a wounding of the spirit,

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<v Virginia McGowan>from lands and relationships over many generations.

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<v Virginia McGowan>From this perspective,

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<v Virginia McGowan>in first people's experiences of colonization,

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<v Virginia McGowan>which has served to disconnect people

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<v Virginia McGowan>Further, the disconnecting impact of colonization

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<v Virginia McGowan>has been consolidated by more recent oppressions,

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<v Virginia McGowan>racism, and discriminatory practices.

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<v Virginia McGowan>This includes attempted assimilation,

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<v Virginia McGowan>which was an official policy of the Canadian government

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<v Virginia McGowan>The story will be familiar to Australians.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Under this policy,

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<v Virginia McGowan>lands set aside under treaty

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<v Virginia McGowan>with only a fraction of the original areas

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<v Virginia McGowan>remaining in reserve at this time.

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<v Virginia McGowan>For generations, children were removed

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<v Virginia McGowan>where native children were placed

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<v Virginia McGowan>Disconnecting processes are at work on a global scale.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Bruce Alexander traces a legacy of dislocation,

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<v Virginia McGowan>to the mass importation of Chinese laborers

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<v Virginia McGowan>and to the fragmented morass of contemporary Vancouver's largely immigrant population.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And Vancouver and other cities in North America, Australia and elsewhere,

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<v Virginia McGowan>both major and minor, are the destination of too many individuals and families

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<v Virginia McGowan>dispossessed as a result of local and regional conflicts,

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<v Virginia McGowan>He was placed on a plane and sent to southwest Alberta, ostensibly to begin a new life.

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<v Virginia McGowan>It's highly unlikely that he will ever return to his homeland or be reunited with his family.

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<v Virginia McGowan>As a board member for a newcomer settlement house in Toronto during the early 90s,

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<v Virginia McGowan>These disconnecting processes reach into each of our lives,

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<v Virginia McGowan>Alexander observes that the processes of free market globalization

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<v Virginia McGowan>requiring that other, more organic processes be put aside

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<v Virginia McGowan>and severing us from links with family and community.

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<v Virginia McGowan>and lies at the root of other chronic problems of contemporary society,

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<v Virginia McGowan>The post-colonial writings and discourses of indigenous peoples

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<v Virginia McGowan>referred to earlier add a further dimension to the dislocation that Alexander speaks of.

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<v Virginia McGowan>They add that the dislocation experienced under colonization

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<v Virginia McGowan>These intimate relations with others and with the land

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<v Virginia McGowan>So, we seek substitutes.

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<v Virginia McGowan>In our culture of consumption,

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<v Virginia McGowan>objects and activities assume symbolic value.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Drugs become lovers.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Shopping becomes retail therapy.

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<v Virginia McGowan>People develop deeper relations with talk show hosts,

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<v Virginia McGowan>and with their family members.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And our environment is raped repeatedly

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<v Virginia McGowan>to enhance market share values.

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<v Virginia McGowan>In our culture of consumption,

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<v Virginia McGowan>these substitute activities become fetishized as addictions.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And the cycle of addiction itself

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<v Virginia McGowan>entrenches disconnection from intimate personal, communal and spiritual relationships.

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<v Virginia McGowan>I've come to believe that the wounding of the spirit

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<v Virginia McGowan>described by indigenous writers

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<v Virginia McGowan>is a more apt description of addiction than the mechanistic views promoted by the world.

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<v Virginia McGowan>It reminds us that in addition to our physical, psychological and social dimensions,

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<v Virginia McGowan>the spiritual instinct is very strong in humankind

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<v Virginia McGowan>and suggests that addiction is only expressed symptomatically

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<v Virginia McGowan>at other levels of our being.

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<v Virginia McGowan>This doesn't mean a selfish new age me-ism of spirituality,

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<v Virginia McGowan>which serves only to further disconnect people from people.

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<v Virginia McGowan>But the spirituality lived and promoted by people like Jean Vanier,

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<v Virginia McGowan>founder of the L'art du Monde,

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<v Virginia McGowan>has led to the creation of harsh communities,

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<v Virginia McGowan>communities in which acceptance, forgiveness and giving are a way of life.

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<v Virginia McGowan>In Vanier's view, we deepen spiritual life by relating to other people,

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<v Virginia McGowan>particularly those who are forgotten and neglected.

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<v Virginia McGowan>To this script for living, I suggest we consider also the land,

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<v Virginia McGowan>so that our relations with place are also neither neglected nor forgotten.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And the lesson is simple.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We have a fundamental need for connection to people and place

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<v Virginia McGowan>that speaks to the essence of being human.

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<v Virginia McGowan>When this is absent, addiction follows.

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<v Virginia McGowan>To heal our wounded spirits, we need to nurture relationships

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<v Virginia McGowan>physical, psychological, social and spiritual with others and with the land.

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<v Virginia McGowan>It's in the theme of addiction that I believe the Adelaide Festival of Ideas,

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<v Virginia McGowan>other themes of water, population, reconciliation and cosmology,

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<v Virginia McGowan>intersect.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We're talking about issues of the environment, population pressure,

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<v Virginia McGowan>the right to self-determination and the hegemony of Western worldviews.

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<v Virginia McGowan>As we understand how these themes link to addiction in modern life,

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<v Virginia McGowan>new meanings and urgency are given to processes that reconnect

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<v Virginia McGowan>or prevent disconnection from family, community and the land.

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<v Virginia McGowan>My prescription for action?

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<v Virginia McGowan>We need to reinvigorate community development,

447
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<v Virginia McGowan>but at the grassroots, not the bureaucratic level,

448
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<v Virginia McGowan>which takes the heart and soul out of social action.

449
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<v Virginia McGowan>We need to address environmental concerns that we may leave this earth

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<v Virginia McGowan>in a condition that will nurture our children and grandchildren and their children.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We need to consider land claims settlements in full consideration

452
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<v Virginia McGowan>of past injustices and relationship with the land.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We need to address issues of dislocation and resettlement at their root cause,

454
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<v Virginia McGowan>global processes promoting the self-interests of Western and other nations and individuals.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We need to be frank and honest about the hegemony of Western worldviews and interests

456
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<v Virginia McGowan>and give serious consideration to other perspectives.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We have the lessons of history with us.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We observe the impact of free market globalization processes on everyday life.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We need to refocus our optics.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Undoubtedly, we must continue to develop and provide treatment and other interventions,

461
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<v Virginia McGowan>but we need more.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We have deeper work to do.

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<v Virginia McGowan>At the end of the day, I believe the message from history and experience

464
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<v Virginia McGowan>is that this represents the best response to addiction.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We can most effectively address this enigmatic phenomenon

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<v Virginia McGowan>through meaningful social action that serves to empower people,

467
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<v Virginia McGowan>give them dignity and nurture relations,

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<v Virginia McGowan>and create relationships with people and the land.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We can create the society we want,

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<v Virginia McGowan>or we can get the society we deserve.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Our choice.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello.

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<v Virginia McGowan>You're on, I'm not.

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<v Peter Sellars>Okay, you're coming back.

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<v Peter Sellars>Thank you so much, Virginia.

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<v Peter Sellars>It was really overwhelming.

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<v Peter Sellars>Thank you.

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<v Peter Sellars>We have microphones both above and below the microphone on this side, I believe.

479
00:31:57.220 --> 00:32:02.420
<v Peter Sellars>And we should really spend the rest of our time together

480
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<v Peter Sellars>talking back and forth in dialogue.

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<v Peter Sellars>So if there are questions or comments,

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<v Peter Sellars>that would be really wonderful,

483
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<v Peter Sellars>while we're privileged to be with Virginia,

484
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<v Peter Sellars>to respond to that extraordinary large picture,

485
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<v Peter Sellars>which actually comes right down to the very basic level

486
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<v Peter Sellars>of what we're putting in our bodies and in our minds and our hearts every day.

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<v Peter Sellars>First question, please.

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<v Peter Sellars>Hello.

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<v Speaker 4>That was very...

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, Virginia,

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<v Speaker 4>that gave a totally different insight to the way we look at things,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think it's very important to have that.

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<v Speaker 4>Something that struck me too with regard to the way you put the picture

494
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<v Speaker 4>was the significance of living in a consumer society

495
00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:54.880
<v Speaker 4>where it's all around you from the time nearly that you're born,

496
00:32:55.060 --> 00:32:59.660
<v Speaker 4>this idea of taking things in and not knowing when it's enough,

497
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<v Speaker 4>having lost those parameters about when you say,

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<v Speaker 4>have I had enough food, have I had enough to drink,

499
00:33:06.600 --> 00:33:09.660
<v Speaker 4>have I bought enough things, have I shopped enough?

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<v Speaker 4>There's not any of that idea.

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00:33:11.900 --> 00:33:13.020
<v Speaker 4>It's all this kind of growth.

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00:33:13.120 --> 00:33:14.260
<v Speaker 4>I need more, more, more.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that even feeds in when you talk about people who are dislocated,

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<v Speaker 4>and even people who feel they're enlightened,

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<v Speaker 4>it's hard for them to distinguish when they've had enough.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm just wondering, do you see that there's some importance

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<v Speaker 4>to the whole idea of the consumer society and how it affects the West?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Virginia McGowan>I think that when we have these situations

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<v Virginia McGowan>where people have needs that are not being satisfied,

511
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<v Virginia McGowan>fundamental basic needs, that we seek to fill that gap.

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<v Virginia McGowan>When you observe people involved in addictive processes,

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<v Virginia McGowan>it's one of the things that strikes you most about it.

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<v Virginia McGowan>It's this sense of insatiability.

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<v Virginia McGowan>The consumption at all costs.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And yes, I do believe that our contemporary society has moved into the gap.

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<v Virginia McGowan>I believe that we are cajoled and promoted at every turn to consume more.

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<v Virginia McGowan>We are a consumptive society,

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<v Virginia McGowan>and it often has tones of the earlier notion of consumption.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>I have three points or three issues I would just like to address.

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<v Speaker 5>You raised the issue of dispossession as a basis for addiction.

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<v Speaker 5>There's also a historical...

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<v Speaker 5>My interest is in the historical development of addiction

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<v Speaker 5>in terms of large social scale addiction,

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<v Speaker 5>such as the Industrial Revolution in England and gin addiction,

527
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<v Speaker 5>and the war with China and addiction of both the Chinese and the British soldiers,

528
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<v Speaker 5>and the American war in Central America

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<v Speaker 5>and the addiction to...

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<v Speaker 5>opiates and the payment of soldiers and early settlers in Australia with rum,

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<v Speaker 5>and the consequences, the family consequences of this addiction,

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<v Speaker 5>where every member of the family passes on a notion and a nature of addiction

533
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<v Speaker 5>to the next generation.

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<v Speaker 5>That's the first thing, and I'd like to hear your comments on that one.

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<v Speaker 5>The next one...

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<v Speaker 5>The next issue that I was considering as you were speaking was

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<v Speaker 5>the notion of addiction and obsession.

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<v Speaker 5>Your early example in your talk,

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<v Speaker 5>you talked about the man and the gum tree,

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<v Speaker 5>and you referred to him as obsessive

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<v Speaker 5>as part of the discussion of addiction.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm just interested in this notion of obsession and addiction

543
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<v Speaker 5>and how it sits together.

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<v Speaker 5>And that relates to the notion of religion.

545
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<v Speaker 5>You spoke of spirituality as a fix-it or a way forward,

546
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<v Speaker 5>a social spirituality.

547
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<v Speaker 5>But I'm interested in the notion of addiction,

548
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<v Speaker 5>religion as an addiction,

549
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<v Speaker 5>not only as a commentator of addiction,

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<v Speaker 5>but religion itself as an addiction.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'd like to hear your comments on that too.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Perhaps I'll start with the last first.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Certainly, people can consume religion or religiosity

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<v Virginia McGowan>as easily as they can consume other things in our society, and they do.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And when I talk about religion,

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<v Virginia McGowan>I talk about spirituality in the way that I've learned about it

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<v Virginia McGowan>from other peoples around the world.

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<v Virginia McGowan>It's not in the context of religiosity.

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<v Virginia McGowan>I do believe living in North America,

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<v Virginia McGowan>we are inundated with a particular consumer-oriented type of religiosity

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<v Virginia McGowan>that I think really speaks to the deep and profound needs

563
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<v Virginia McGowan>that people are expressing

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<v Virginia McGowan>for a deeper kind of relationship development

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<v Virginia McGowan>with other people and with the world around them.

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<v Virginia McGowan>So what I would suggest is that,

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<v Virginia McGowan>we need to, when we're thinking about spirituality,

568
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<v Virginia McGowan>we have to be very careful not to define

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<v Virginia McGowan>what we're speaking about in different ways

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<v Virginia McGowan>and understand that religiosity can be as addictive

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<v Virginia McGowan>for some people as otherwise.

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<v Virginia McGowan>The second thing you talked about was this notion of obsessiveness.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And the language of addiction,

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<v Virginia McGowan>the addiction field is really interesting.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Most of it, as you probably know,

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<v Virginia McGowan>is dominated by psychology.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And so the language of obsessiveness and compulsivity

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<v Virginia McGowan>and so on is part of that which is used.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And I always find it interesting

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<v Virginia McGowan>when I'm working with my colleagues in psychology

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<v Virginia McGowan>to hear how they struggle with those terms.

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<v Virginia McGowan>I don't have nearly as many hang-ups

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<v Virginia McGowan>about using words like obsessive and compulsive

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<v Virginia McGowan>because I don't belong to the discipline

585
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<v Virginia McGowan>from which they cause so much anxiety.

586
00:37:52.380 --> 00:37:56.060
<v Virginia McGowan>So I can live outside of those anxious moments to some extent

587
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<v Virginia McGowan>and live on the edges of their anxiety.

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<v Virginia McGowan>But they're special internal quarrels.

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<v Virginia McGowan>The example that I gave, of course,

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<v Virginia McGowan>is from Michael Bayel's book, Eucalyptus,

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<v Virginia McGowan>which I would recommend to you highly

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<v Virginia McGowan>as an interesting example

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<v Virginia McGowan>of where these kinds of very focused activities

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<v Virginia McGowan>and concentration on a single thing in one's life

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<v Virginia McGowan>can do in terms of dissolving the relationships

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<v Virginia McGowan>and putting others at risk around you.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Obsessive?

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<v Virginia McGowan>Yeah, I'd say it was obsessive.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And I'd say when I observe others

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<v Virginia McGowan>who are in the thralls of addiction,

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<v Virginia McGowan>I see them behaving what I would call obsessively.

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<v Virginia McGowan>Now, whether that matches with the current nomenclature

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<v Virginia McGowan>of the DSM-IV manual,

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<v Virginia McGowan>well, that's for the psychologist to argue about.

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<v Virginia McGowan>The other point that you made

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<v Virginia McGowan>about the historical connection with addiction,

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<v Virginia McGowan>such an important one.

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<v Virginia McGowan>I'm glad you brought it up

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<v Virginia McGowan>because there you gave a list of some of the key moments of time

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<v Virginia McGowan>that we see that history shows us.

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<v Virginia McGowan>That the kinds of things that we do,

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<v Virginia McGowan>how we manipulate our world and the people in it,

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<v Virginia McGowan>contributes to the development of addictive behaviors.

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<v Virginia McGowan>And also the social construction of the panics about that

615
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<v Virginia McGowan>and the attribution of blame

616
00:39:13.040 --> 00:39:15.340
<v Virginia McGowan>is something I think that we need to be also examining.

617
00:39:16.560 --> 00:39:20.580
<v Virginia McGowan>Of course, you know, the opium wars that we refer to

618
00:39:21.120 --> 00:39:27.320
<v Virginia McGowan>are responsible for a whole host of problems with opium.

619
00:39:27.420 --> 00:39:28.500
<v Virginia McGowan>And I think that's a very important point.

620
00:39:28.500 --> 00:39:30.360
<v Virginia McGowan>Not only amongst the people of the land,

621
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:33.800
<v Virginia McGowan>but also the armed forces that were put into place

622
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:35.560
<v Virginia McGowan>during that period of time.

623
00:39:36.140 --> 00:39:38.260
<v Virginia McGowan>And it also served to create,

624
00:39:38.460 --> 00:39:40.360
<v Virginia McGowan>in the later minds of people,

625
00:39:40.520 --> 00:39:45.500
<v Virginia McGowan>the idea that opium was particularly associated

626
00:39:45.500 --> 00:39:46.720
<v Virginia McGowan>with groups of people,

627
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:49.600
<v Virginia McGowan>so there's a racist element that was attached to it.

628
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:53.880
<v Virginia McGowan>And we have to remember that the way that we view addiction

629
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:56.800
<v Virginia McGowan>is not only culturally, but historically,

630
00:39:56.920 --> 00:39:57.400
<v Virginia McGowan>and in the world.

631
00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:58.940
<v Virginia McGowan>And experientially contextualized.

632
00:39:59.460 --> 00:40:00.780
<v Virginia McGowan>So I thank you for bringing that.

633
00:40:01.500 --> 00:40:03.160
<v Virginia McGowan>I don't know if I've answered your question or not.

634
00:40:03.200 --> 00:40:04.300
<v Virginia McGowan>I'm not sure what the question was.

635
00:40:06.020 --> 00:40:06.460
<v Virginia McGowan>Yes.

636
00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:11.240
<v Speaker 6>Yes, look, I think the gown is not going for the juggler enough

637
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:12.740
<v Speaker 6>versus the town.

638
00:40:13.380 --> 00:40:15.340
<v Speaker 6>In 1969, Scientific American,

639
00:40:15.560 --> 00:40:19.520
<v Speaker 6>I learned from the professor Lester Grinspoon,

640
00:40:21.720 --> 00:40:24.200
<v Speaker 6>that cannabis laws were liars.

641
00:40:24.200 --> 00:40:25.680
<v Speaker 6>The law is a liar on cannabis.

642
00:40:25.860 --> 00:40:26.880
<v Speaker 6>And also not on...

643
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:27.760
<v Speaker 6>Also on heroin.

644
00:40:27.940 --> 00:40:31.440
<v Speaker 6>And he said on the David Suzuki TV program this year

645
00:40:31.440 --> 00:40:33.420
<v Speaker 6>that cannabis is non-toxic.

646
00:40:34.240 --> 00:40:36.280
<v Speaker 6>Now, why aren't the academics...

647
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:38.240
<v Speaker 6>I don't know about the universities in America,

648
00:40:38.520 --> 00:40:40.320
<v Speaker 6>but you've got terrible laws in America.

649
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:45.980
<v Speaker 6>93 years prison for growing 60 plants of marijuana in Yokohama.

650
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:50.640
<v Speaker 6>Now, in Australia, there's seen to be a blanket censorship of ideas

651
00:40:50.640 --> 00:40:54.400
<v Speaker 6>of getting the pharmacological truth out to the public

652
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:55.360
<v Speaker 6>by the universities.

653
00:40:55.560 --> 00:40:56.720
<v Speaker 6>They won't debate it.

654
00:40:56.720 --> 00:40:57.360
<v Speaker 6>They won't debate it or discuss it.

655
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:00.460
<v Speaker 6>Now, Aldous Huxley said,

656
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:04.940
<v Speaker 6>we need a substitute for alcohol for obvious reasons.

657
00:41:05.020 --> 00:41:09.340
<v Speaker 6>He believed in the need for drugs to release the primitive drives and so on,

658
00:41:09.420 --> 00:41:10.520
<v Speaker 6>which if you bottle up,

659
00:41:10.540 --> 00:41:13.760
<v Speaker 6>manifest themselves in bad ways in war or political oppressions.

660
00:41:13.940 --> 00:41:16.660
<v Speaker 6>Now, the addiction rate, which I said on the other meeting,

661
00:41:16.720 --> 00:41:19.520
<v Speaker 6>was for alcohol, 15 plus percent.

662
00:41:20.680 --> 00:41:23.880
<v Speaker 6>Heroin from the US soldiers in Vietnam, 1%.

663
00:41:24.460 --> 00:41:26.600
<v Speaker 6>Why aren't the academics and the universities,

664
00:41:26.600 --> 00:41:29.580
<v Speaker 6>telling the public, making quite public and quite explicit,

665
00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:31.740
<v Speaker 6>the difference between the addiction rate of heroin,

666
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:33.500
<v Speaker 6>which causes so much problem,

667
00:41:33.680 --> 00:41:37.300
<v Speaker 6>and the addiction rate for heroin just being 1%?

668
00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:39.420
<v Speaker 6>I don't know what the addiction rate for marijuana is.

669
00:41:39.500 --> 00:41:40.820
<v Speaker 6>It'd be less than that. It's probably 1%.

670
00:41:40.820 --> 00:41:43.960
<v Speaker 6>Why don't the academics and the universities tell the public,

671
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:46.360
<v Speaker 6>quite loudly, instead of pussyfooting around

672
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:47.860
<v Speaker 6>and not going for the jugular?

673
00:41:53.100 --> 00:41:56.580
<v Virginia McGowan>The laws that you refer to in America have always posed,

674
00:41:56.580 --> 00:41:57.040
<v Virginia McGowan>puzzled me.

675
00:41:57.160 --> 00:42:01.700
<v Virginia McGowan>As a Canadian, one of the things that I've been very proud of in my country,

676
00:42:01.860 --> 00:42:03.780
<v Virginia McGowan>I mean, there are some things I wish they could go further,

677
00:42:03.880 --> 00:42:05.900
<v Virginia McGowan>I wish they would go for the jugular more,

678
00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:08.820
<v Virginia McGowan>but as a Canadian, one of the things that I've been very proud of

679
00:42:08.820 --> 00:42:12.800
<v Virginia McGowan>is the fact that our country has been bringing in medical use of marijuana.

680
00:42:13.600 --> 00:42:19.200
<v Virginia McGowan>That's in the face of quite overt political pressure from the United States.

681
00:42:19.380 --> 00:42:23.120
<v Virginia McGowan>And where we live, I seem to be thinking about elephants a lot today,

682
00:42:23.200 --> 00:42:25.960
<v Virginia McGowan>but where we live was once said by one of our prime ministers is,

683
00:42:26.580 --> 00:42:30.060
<v Virginia McGowan>when you're living in Canada, it's like living next door to an elephant.

684
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:31.760
<v Virginia McGowan>You always know when it rolls over.

685
00:42:35.020 --> 00:42:40.060
<v Virginia McGowan>I think there are deeper cultural issues here at work in the American response,

686
00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:46.940
<v Virginia McGowan>and we could spend an entire weekend, week, month, year, lifetime discussing that.

687
00:42:47.600 --> 00:42:52.020
<v Virginia McGowan>Why are academics not putting these things forward in the general public?

688
00:42:52.220 --> 00:42:53.940
<v Virginia McGowan>In the world that I live in, they are.

689
00:42:54.340 --> 00:42:56.380
<v Virginia McGowan>I think that there are a lot of pressures,

690
00:42:56.380 --> 00:42:59.940
<v Virginia McGowan>though, in a chilly silence, shall we say,

691
00:43:00.080 --> 00:43:04.080
<v Virginia McGowan>that I sense coming from some quarters of the United States

692
00:43:04.620 --> 00:43:06.840
<v Virginia McGowan>and other quarters, vested interests,

693
00:43:07.120 --> 00:43:13.760
<v Virginia McGowan>about pronouncing very clearly on what are unclear issues.

694
00:43:14.160 --> 00:43:16.280
<v Virginia McGowan>You talk about the toxicity of cannabis,

695
00:43:17.620 --> 00:43:22.280
<v Virginia McGowan>certainly there's been a very well published paper

696
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:24.700
<v Virginia McGowan>that was done by, I believe, Robin Room,

697
00:43:24.780 --> 00:43:26.200
<v Virginia McGowan>for the World Health Organization,

698
00:43:26.200 --> 00:43:26.340
<v Virginia McGowan>that was done by, I believe, Robin Room,

699
00:43:26.340 --> 00:43:26.360
<v Virginia McGowan>for the World Health Organization,

700
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:30.180
<v Virginia McGowan>that very clearly described the situation with cannabis

701
00:43:30.180 --> 00:43:33.120
<v Virginia McGowan>and talked about the attendant risks and so on.

702
00:43:33.580 --> 00:43:35.420
<v Virginia McGowan>It's not a harm-free drug.

703
00:43:35.940 --> 00:43:37.840
<v Virginia McGowan>There are some issues with it,

704
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:40.940
<v Virginia McGowan>depending again on the pattern and context of use.

705
00:43:41.140 --> 00:43:45.120
<v Virginia McGowan>We also know that because the preferred method of use

706
00:43:45.120 --> 00:43:47.520
<v Virginia McGowan>is to inhale it, so there are some physical health problems

707
00:43:47.520 --> 00:43:49.200
<v Virginia McGowan>that are associated with it.

708
00:43:50.020 --> 00:43:53.180
<v Virginia McGowan>And it's always, you know, the thing about drugs

709
00:43:53.180 --> 00:43:55.460
<v Virginia McGowan>is that people will always learn to use them

710
00:43:55.460 --> 00:43:56.980
<v Virginia McGowan>in various interesting ways.

711
00:43:57.100 --> 00:43:58.300
<v Virginia McGowan>One I most recently learned about

712
00:43:58.300 --> 00:44:00.960
<v Virginia McGowan>was youth party culture in the United States

713
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:05.600
<v Virginia McGowan>where kids are using it, rolling it into a spliff with tobacco

714
00:44:05.600 --> 00:44:07.860
<v Virginia McGowan>and dusting it with embalming fluid,

715
00:44:08.640 --> 00:44:10.140
<v Virginia McGowan>or sprinkling with embalming fluid.

716
00:44:10.240 --> 00:44:11.300
<v Virginia McGowan>You don't dust with embalming fluid.

717
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:12.540
<v Virginia McGowan>You're sprinkling with embalming fluid

718
00:44:12.540 --> 00:44:14.140
<v Virginia McGowan>to get a bit more of a kick.

719
00:44:14.300 --> 00:44:17.380
<v Virginia McGowan>Now, whether that kick is due to the pharmacological action

720
00:44:17.380 --> 00:44:20.580
<v Virginia McGowan>of the drug enhanced by embalming fluid

721
00:44:20.580 --> 00:44:22.640
<v Virginia McGowan>or whether it is somewhat akin

722
00:44:22.640 --> 00:44:23.160
<v Virginia McGowan>to a medical treatment,

723
00:44:23.160 --> 00:44:24.120
<v Virginia McGowan>if you remember the 1960s,

724
00:44:24.120 --> 00:44:25.300
<v Virginia McGowan>I'll bet there are some people in here

725
00:44:25.300 --> 00:44:26.620
<v Virginia McGowan>who tried smoking those bananas

726
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:32.600
<v Virginia McGowan>or threw a bit of the catnip into a cigarette

727
00:44:32.600 --> 00:44:33.940
<v Virginia McGowan>or something like that.

728
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:37.480
<v Virginia McGowan>So we have to remember we're talking about

729
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:40.800
<v Virginia McGowan>the harms that accrue because of the use of a drug

730
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:43.180
<v Virginia McGowan>or any other kind of behavior

731
00:44:43.720 --> 00:44:46.380
<v Virginia McGowan>that it depends very much on the context.

732
00:44:46.640 --> 00:44:48.160
<v Virginia McGowan>You can have a bunch of kids

733
00:44:48.160 --> 00:44:52.960
<v Virginia McGowan>who are not used to what a certain amount of alcohol

734
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:53.140
<v Virginia McGowan>is used to,

735
00:44:53.140 --> 00:44:53.840
<v Virginia McGowan>or what alcohol is going to do to them,

736
00:44:54.460 --> 00:44:55.760
<v Virginia McGowan>standing up behind the barn,

737
00:44:55.900 --> 00:45:00.080
<v Virginia McGowan>drinking, sharing a bottle of their father's whiskey,

738
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:05.000
<v Virginia McGowan>and not realizing that they're going to be quite so inebriated

739
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:07.120
<v Virginia McGowan>and perhaps suffer from alcohol poisoning.

740
00:45:07.420 --> 00:45:09.220
<v Virginia McGowan>You can have an older bunch of teenagers

741
00:45:09.980 --> 00:45:12.340
<v Virginia McGowan>drinking excessively and going for a joyride,

742
00:45:13.160 --> 00:45:15.960
<v Virginia McGowan>and you can have a bunch of people

743
00:45:15.960 --> 00:45:18.680
<v Virginia McGowan>sitting in their home and over a period of time

744
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:20.880
<v Virginia McGowan>gradually getting sloshed

745
00:45:21.520 --> 00:45:23.120
<v Virginia McGowan>and destroying their interest in alcohol.

746
00:45:23.140 --> 00:45:23.960
<v Virginia McGowan>They're going to have interpersonal relationships

747
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:25.420
<v Virginia McGowan>through inappropriate remarks and behaviors.

748
00:45:25.940 --> 00:45:28.980
<v Virginia McGowan>There are all kinds of different harms that can accrue.

749
00:45:29.120 --> 00:45:32.080
<v Virginia McGowan>Again, it's very contextualized,

750
00:45:32.100 --> 00:45:35.000
<v Virginia McGowan>and again, I'm sorry to be so ambiguous,

751
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:36.680
<v Virginia McGowan>but life is like that.

752
00:45:37.940 --> 00:45:38.780
<v Virginia McGowan>It depends.

753
00:45:38.980 --> 00:45:39.840
<v Virginia McGowan>That's the answer.

754
00:45:42.300 --> 00:45:43.060
<v Speaker 7>Yes, please.

755
00:45:43.900 --> 00:45:47.720
<v Speaker 7>I just wanted to raise a remark

756
00:45:47.720 --> 00:45:52.060
<v Speaker 7>that I heard from a Melbourne researcher last year.

757
00:45:53.140 --> 00:45:57.160
<v Speaker 7>Talking about, in particular, heroin use in Melbourne

758
00:45:57.160 --> 00:46:00.880
<v Speaker 7>and the very large number of deaths from overdose

759
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:04.100
<v Speaker 7>in the year 1999 to 2000.

760
00:46:06.720 --> 00:46:10.480
<v Speaker 7>This received a good deal of press in the age in Melbourne,

761
00:46:10.580 --> 00:46:13.020
<v Speaker 7>but this particular researcher said

762
00:46:13.020 --> 00:46:15.460
<v Speaker 7>that he felt that rather than there being a heroin epidemic,

763
00:46:16.100 --> 00:46:17.640
<v Speaker 7>there was a sadness epidemic.

764
00:46:19.120 --> 00:46:22.900
<v Speaker 7>It was these, if you like,

765
00:46:23.140 --> 00:46:25.040
<v Speaker 7>spiritual, emotional issues

766
00:46:25.040 --> 00:46:30.100
<v Speaker 7>that lay at the heart of abuse of drugs to that level.

767
00:46:32.040 --> 00:46:33.680
<v Speaker 7>There's been a lot of talk recently,

768
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:35.080
<v Speaker 7>particularly in The Guardian.

769
00:46:35.100 --> 00:46:37.960
<v Speaker 7>I'm sure there are a fair few readers of that newspaper here.

770
00:46:38.200 --> 00:46:40.760
<v Speaker 7>In Britain, there's been some breakthroughs

771
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:43.600
<v Speaker 7>with some quite senior police officers

772
00:46:43.600 --> 00:46:47.280
<v Speaker 7>indicating that the fight against drugs

773
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:49.700
<v Speaker 7>in terms, particularly of marijuana and heroin,

774
00:46:49.860 --> 00:46:51.440
<v Speaker 7>is completely pointless.

775
00:46:53.620 --> 00:46:55.800
<v Speaker 7>That hasn't really been echoed here,

776
00:46:55.900 --> 00:46:58.920
<v Speaker 7>although I think people like Nicholas Cowdery

777
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:03.380
<v Speaker 7>are a shining example of what can be achieved

778
00:47:03.380 --> 00:47:04.580
<v Speaker 7>if people speak out.

779
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:07.020
<v Speaker 7>But I wondered if you had anything to say

780
00:47:07.020 --> 00:47:10.840
<v Speaker 7>about the concept of illegality

781
00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:15.680
<v Speaker 7>or otherwise making a difference to addictive behaviours

782
00:47:15.680 --> 00:47:18.320
<v Speaker 7>and whether or not, in fact,

783
00:47:18.340 --> 00:47:21.560
<v Speaker 7>it's more a question of dealing with the sadness epidemic

784
00:47:21.560 --> 00:47:23.120
<v Speaker 7>than the fact that it's a problem.

785
00:47:23.140 --> 00:47:27.260
<v Speaker 7>Repealing laws or regulating the supply of a drug.

786
00:47:35.220 --> 00:47:42.220
<v Virginia McGowan>Let me respond by referring to a conversation I had

787
00:47:42.220 --> 00:47:46.260
<v Virginia McGowan>with a friend of mine who is Okanagan.

788
00:47:46.340 --> 00:47:47.260
<v Virginia McGowan>She comes from the Okanagan...

789
00:47:47.260 --> 00:47:49.160
<v Virginia McGowan>a First Nations person in the Okanagan Valley

790
00:47:49.160 --> 00:47:52.740
<v Virginia McGowan>who's very much involved in working with...

791
00:47:53.140 --> 00:47:55.020
<v Virginia McGowan>First Nations women who are incarcerated.

792
00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:00.520
<v Virginia McGowan>And she pointed out that if we do anything

793
00:48:00.520 --> 00:48:02.600
<v Virginia McGowan>about the illegality of drug use,

794
00:48:03.580 --> 00:48:07.240
<v Virginia McGowan>that we would be putting a lot of other folks out of work.

795
00:48:13.240 --> 00:48:16.440
<v Virginia McGowan>So that speaks to me of a sense of

796
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:18.220
<v Virginia McGowan>is there a political or a social will

797
00:48:18.220 --> 00:48:19.280
<v Virginia McGowan>to look at alternatives?

798
00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:22.900
<v Virginia McGowan>And quite frankly,

799
00:48:23.140 --> 00:48:25.160
<v Virginia McGowan>I don't think we have that in our society.

800
00:48:25.580 --> 00:48:27.060
<v Virginia McGowan>I think that we are...

801
00:48:27.060 --> 00:48:30.580
<v Virginia McGowan>The general public discourse that I spoke of earlier

802
00:48:30.580 --> 00:48:31.240
<v Virginia McGowan>of fear,

803
00:48:32.140 --> 00:48:33.520
<v Virginia McGowan>of fear of the other,

804
00:48:33.560 --> 00:48:34.740
<v Virginia McGowan>of fear of the deviant,

805
00:48:36.140 --> 00:48:39.420
<v Virginia McGowan>is one that informs a lot of the actions

806
00:48:39.420 --> 00:48:40.600
<v Virginia McGowan>that people are willing to take.

807
00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:44.240
<v Virginia McGowan>I agree with the fellow of Melbourne.

808
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:46.560
<v Virginia McGowan>I think that what we do have is a sadness epidemic.

809
00:48:47.580 --> 00:48:51.880
<v Virginia McGowan>A sadness epidemic that speaks to this deep disconnectedness

810
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:52.540
<v Virginia McGowan>that we have.

811
00:48:52.580 --> 00:48:52.960
<v Virginia McGowan>People...

812
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:53.120
<v Virginia McGowan>People...

813
00:48:53.120 --> 00:48:54.740
<v Virginia McGowan>Not only disconnected...

814
00:48:54.740 --> 00:48:56.200
<v Virginia McGowan>We talk about people and the land,

815
00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:57.760
<v Virginia McGowan>but also at other levels,

816
00:48:57.820 --> 00:49:00.500
<v Virginia McGowan>we see how this disconnection from people and from the land

817
00:49:01.100 --> 00:49:02.880
<v Virginia McGowan>manifests itself in being disconnected

818
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:05.000
<v Virginia McGowan>from the very heart and soul of our society,

819
00:49:05.180 --> 00:49:06.880
<v Virginia McGowan>from being disenfranchised

820
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:08.840
<v Virginia McGowan>as functioning members of society

821
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:10.220
<v Virginia McGowan>in any kind of meaningful life.

822
00:49:11.380 --> 00:49:12.160
<v Virginia McGowan>Yeah, it's sad.

823
00:49:12.680 --> 00:49:15.300
<v Virginia McGowan>And I don't think that we have a political or social will

824
00:49:16.220 --> 00:49:18.740
<v Virginia McGowan>today to deal with it in those senses.

825
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:20.540
<v Virginia McGowan>There's too much of a vested interest

826
00:49:21.100 --> 00:49:22.800
<v Virginia McGowan>in the corrections system,

827
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:23.740
<v Virginia McGowan>in the justice system.

828
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:26.660
<v Virginia McGowan>And I don't want to paint a picture that...

829
00:49:26.660 --> 00:49:28.200
<v Virginia McGowan>I mean, I think we have to be balanced here.

830
00:49:28.260 --> 00:49:30.540
<v Virginia McGowan>We have to remember that there are people

831
00:49:30.540 --> 00:49:32.340
<v Virginia McGowan>who prey upon the needy.

832
00:49:32.460 --> 00:49:34.520
<v Virginia McGowan>And I think that we do need at some level

833
00:49:34.520 --> 00:49:36.860
<v Virginia McGowan>to have some structures in place

834
00:49:37.340 --> 00:49:39.940
<v Virginia McGowan>that will protect us from the predators.

835
00:49:42.160 --> 00:49:44.160
<v Virginia McGowan>What those structures are,

836
00:49:44.260 --> 00:49:45.200
<v Virginia McGowan>what form they take,

837
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:47.620
<v Virginia McGowan>I think that requires that we...

838
00:49:47.620 --> 00:49:48.940
<v Virginia McGowan>Well, last night we heard,

839
00:49:49.040 --> 00:49:50.040
<v Virginia McGowan>and those of you who were here,

840
00:49:50.120 --> 00:49:52.000
<v Virginia McGowan>but last night we heard a very powerful speech

841
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:52.780
<v Virginia McGowan>about transformation,

842
00:49:52.780 --> 00:49:53.200
<v Virginia McGowan>transformation.

843
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:56.120
<v Virginia McGowan>Are we willing to step back

844
00:49:56.700 --> 00:49:59.140
<v Virginia McGowan>from what we have vested interests in

845
00:49:59.140 --> 00:50:02.520
<v Virginia McGowan>and to look at transforming the way

846
00:50:02.520 --> 00:50:04.280
<v Virginia McGowan>that we relate to each other in our society?

847
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:07.300
<v Virginia McGowan>So that may mean that we no longer lock people up

848
00:50:07.300 --> 00:50:09.400
<v Virginia McGowan>for being a heroin addict.

849
00:50:09.520 --> 00:50:10.540
<v Virginia McGowan>Wouldn't that be a lovely thing?

850
00:50:11.080 --> 00:50:14.340
<v Virginia McGowan>We recognize that that's not really doing anything, is it?

851
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:17.700
<v Virginia McGowan>It just deepens the problem.

852
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:22.160
<v Virginia McGowan>I would like to say, though,

853
00:50:22.160 --> 00:50:22.460
<v Virginia McGowan>that...

854
00:50:23.520 --> 00:50:25.120
<v Virginia McGowan>Other years that I've been here,

855
00:50:25.160 --> 00:50:27.600
<v Virginia McGowan>I've heard some conversations amongst people

856
00:50:27.600 --> 00:50:29.080
<v Virginia McGowan>in the Australian public

857
00:50:29.080 --> 00:50:31.860
<v Virginia McGowan>that I think that gave me hope at any rate.

858
00:50:32.200 --> 00:50:33.960
<v Virginia McGowan>And this was about the issue

859
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:36.500
<v Virginia McGowan>of safe injecting houses in Sydney.

860
00:50:36.820 --> 00:50:39.320
<v Virginia McGowan>If you remember that happening.

861
00:50:39.680 --> 00:50:42.320
<v Virginia McGowan>And the discussions that were taking place about that.

862
00:50:42.520 --> 00:50:43.600
<v Virginia McGowan>And I will tell you,

863
00:50:43.660 --> 00:50:45.980
<v Virginia McGowan>I was visiting here for some time

864
00:50:45.980 --> 00:50:48.540
<v Virginia McGowan>and I had just discovered your ABC,

865
00:50:48.860 --> 00:50:49.940
<v Virginia McGowan>which was rather nice.

866
00:50:50.100 --> 00:50:52.240
<v Virginia McGowan>And I was listening to the coverage of that

867
00:50:52.240 --> 00:50:53.880
<v Virginia McGowan>and the interviews of people on the street.

868
00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:56.140
<v Virginia McGowan>And I think that Australian people

869
00:50:56.140 --> 00:50:58.820
<v Virginia McGowan>have a great deal to commend themselves

870
00:50:58.820 --> 00:51:01.100
<v Virginia McGowan>about the level of discussion that was taking place.

871
00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:04.180
<v Virginia McGowan>I didn't hear that, you know,

872
00:51:04.180 --> 00:51:05.980
<v Virginia McGowan>shut them down, take them out, lock them up,

873
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:07.300
<v Virginia McGowan>and get them away from here rhetoric

874
00:51:07.300 --> 00:51:08.940
<v Virginia McGowan>that is so common in other places,

875
00:51:09.020 --> 00:51:10.200
<v Virginia McGowan>which will remain unnamed.

876
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:13.760
<v Virginia McGowan>Instead, what I heard was

877
00:51:15.060 --> 00:51:15.940
<v Virginia McGowan>reasoned discussion.

878
00:51:18.200 --> 00:51:18.920
<v Virginia McGowan>Compassionate discussion.

879
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:22.140
<v Virginia McGowan>And I asked,

880
00:51:22.140 --> 00:51:23.060
<v Virginia McGowan>I asked a colleague of mine

881
00:51:23.060 --> 00:51:26.800
<v Virginia McGowan>who's been instrumental in working in Australia

882
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:28.660
<v Virginia McGowan>for a long time in the addictions field.

883
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:31.860
<v Virginia McGowan>I said, this is, wow, this is wonderful.

884
00:51:32.220 --> 00:51:35.420
<v Virginia McGowan>How did you get to a place in this country

885
00:51:35.420 --> 00:51:38.180
<v Virginia McGowan>where over an issue that is so evocative,

886
00:51:38.300 --> 00:51:40.920
<v Virginia McGowan>such as injecting houses in churches,

887
00:51:41.800 --> 00:51:42.680
<v Virginia McGowan>how did you get to a place

888
00:51:42.680 --> 00:51:44.860
<v Virginia McGowan>where people could actually talk about it

889
00:51:44.860 --> 00:51:46.880
<v Virginia McGowan>in a reasoned, dispassionate manner

890
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:50.220
<v Virginia McGowan>that had compassion for people

891
00:51:50.220 --> 00:51:51.480
<v Virginia McGowan>yet still was realistic

892
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:52.120
<v Virginia McGowan>about some of the things that were happening.

893
00:51:52.140 --> 00:52:00.620
<v Virginia McGowan>And I said, well,

894
00:52:01.940 --> 00:52:05.100
<v Virginia McGowan>I think that's what we have to prepare to do.

895
00:52:05.160 --> 00:52:06.980
<v Virginia McGowan>We have to be prepared to come to forums like this.

896
00:52:07.060 --> 00:52:09.080
<v Virginia McGowan>We have to be prepared to do a lot of hard work,

897
00:52:09.160 --> 00:52:10.900
<v Virginia McGowan>a lot of deep work as society

898
00:52:10.900 --> 00:52:13.420
<v Virginia McGowan>in order to be able to have those kinds

899
00:52:13.420 --> 00:52:14.780
<v Virginia McGowan>of different levels of discussion.

900
00:52:16.420 --> 00:52:17.540
<v Peter Sellars>Could I also add,

901
00:52:17.660 --> 00:52:21.840
<v Peter Sellars>as someone who comes from one of the worst case scenarios,

902
00:52:23.100 --> 00:52:25.980
<v Peter Sellars>where the single largest contributor

903
00:52:27.180 --> 00:52:30.140
<v Peter Sellars>to political war chest causes,

904
00:52:31.440 --> 00:52:33.400
<v Peter Sellars>to political campaigns,

905
00:52:34.180 --> 00:52:36.740
<v Peter Sellars>largest financial contributor in the state of California

906
00:52:36.740 --> 00:52:39.680
<v Peter Sellars>is the California Corrections Officers Association.

907
00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:42.700
<v Peter Sellars>And so it's no accident

908
00:52:42.700 --> 00:52:43.740
<v Peter Sellars>that the solution to everything

909
00:52:43.740 --> 00:52:47.020
<v Peter Sellars>is to build more prisons, et cetera.

910
00:52:47.160 --> 00:52:49.580
<v Peter Sellars>I mean, you can follow that money trail.

911
00:52:49.720 --> 00:52:50.480
<v Peter Sellars>At the same time,

912
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:52.040
<v Peter Sellars>I will tell you what happened last March.

913
00:52:52.140 --> 00:52:53.740
<v Peter Sellars>In the state of California,

914
00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:55.320
<v Peter Sellars>on the popular ballot,

915
00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:56.420
<v Peter Sellars>Pop Precision 35,

916
00:52:58.140 --> 00:52:59.500
<v Peter Sellars>which now directs

917
00:52:59.500 --> 00:53:01.340
<v Peter Sellars>that all drug convictions

918
00:53:01.340 --> 00:53:03.280
<v Peter Sellars>be directed into treatment,

919
00:53:03.420 --> 00:53:05.000
<v Peter Sellars>not incarceration.

920
00:53:05.540 --> 00:53:07.320
<v Peter Sellars>That was passed by voters.

921
00:53:08.140 --> 00:53:09.320
<v Peter Sellars>A lot of hard work

922
00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:11.420
<v Peter Sellars>against a gigantic system

923
00:53:11.420 --> 00:53:12.580
<v Peter Sellars>to the contrary.

924
00:53:13.820 --> 00:53:15.420
<v Peter Sellars>So I would suggest

925
00:53:15.420 --> 00:53:18.020
<v Peter Sellars>that there is a turning of the tide

926
00:53:18.020 --> 00:53:20.140
<v Peter Sellars>in an area of

927
00:53:20.140 --> 00:53:21.860
<v Peter Sellars>the most extreme

928
00:53:21.860 --> 00:53:22.200
<v Peter Sellars>battle,

929
00:53:22.380 --> 00:53:23.700
<v Peter Sellars>which is in California.

930
00:53:25.140 --> 00:53:26.220
<v Peter Sellars>So, yes.

931
00:53:28.180 --> 00:53:30.040
<v Speaker 8>I guess I'd like to start by saying

932
00:53:30.040 --> 00:53:31.360
<v Speaker 8>that I was so excited

933
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:32.840
<v Speaker 8>to see the question of addiction

934
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:35.240
<v Speaker 8>as one of the Festival of Ideas themes.

935
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:38.860
<v Speaker 8>It was a huge contradiction in itself,

936
00:53:38.940 --> 00:53:39.320
<v Speaker 8>I guess,

937
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:40.360
<v Speaker 8>to what I've experienced

938
00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:43.380
<v Speaker 8>despite all the academic study

939
00:53:43.380 --> 00:53:47.440
<v Speaker 8>or law enforcement and policy debates,

940
00:53:47.600 --> 00:53:49.600
<v Speaker 8>an issue around which there is still

941
00:53:49.600 --> 00:53:51.120
<v Speaker 8>very, very deep levels

942
00:53:51.120 --> 00:53:51.720
<v Speaker 8>of,

943
00:53:51.720 --> 00:53:53.180
<v Speaker 8>of shame and silence.

944
00:53:55.260 --> 00:53:57.520
<v Speaker 8>I've had some personal experience

945
00:53:57.520 --> 00:53:57.920
<v Speaker 8>of this,

946
00:53:58.000 --> 00:53:59.100
<v Speaker 8>of having a family member

947
00:53:59.100 --> 00:54:00.240
<v Speaker 8>be one of the first casualties

948
00:54:00.240 --> 00:54:02.960
<v Speaker 8>of the epidemic

949
00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:05.200
<v Speaker 8>of deaths from heroin overdose

950
00:54:05.200 --> 00:54:06.200
<v Speaker 8>in this country

951
00:54:06.200 --> 00:54:07.300
<v Speaker 8>and experienced,

952
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:09.580
<v Speaker 8>despite the,

953
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:12.860
<v Speaker 8>the surface response

954
00:54:12.860 --> 00:54:16.420
<v Speaker 8>of sympathy and concern

955
00:54:17.020 --> 00:54:17.900
<v Speaker 8>and alarm,

956
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:18.520
<v Speaker 8>I might say,

957
00:54:18.520 --> 00:54:19.260
<v Speaker 8>on the part of parents

958
00:54:19.260 --> 00:54:20.180
<v Speaker 8>of young people,

959
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:21.560
<v Speaker 8>another,

960
00:54:21.560 --> 00:54:22.440
<v Speaker 8>another place where

961
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:25.520
<v Speaker 8>I discovered a layer of silence and shame

962
00:54:25.520 --> 00:54:26.780
<v Speaker 8>where people would,

963
00:54:26.860 --> 00:54:27.580
<v Speaker 8>if you like,

964
00:54:27.660 --> 00:54:28.240
<v Speaker 8>come out

965
00:54:28.240 --> 00:54:30.200
<v Speaker 8>as family members

966
00:54:30.200 --> 00:54:31.240
<v Speaker 8>of somebody else

967
00:54:31.240 --> 00:54:33.280
<v Speaker 8>who had died of a heroin overdose

968
00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:36.060
<v Speaker 8>and they just don't talk about it.

969
00:54:36.120 --> 00:54:37.860
<v Speaker 8>It just does not get spoken about

970
00:54:37.860 --> 00:54:41.040
<v Speaker 8>because of the vulnerability of people,

971
00:54:41.200 --> 00:54:42.400
<v Speaker 8>because they don't want to

972
00:54:44.680 --> 00:54:45.760
<v Speaker 8>expose themselves

973
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:49.560
<v Speaker 8>to the blame and shame side of it,

974
00:54:49.600 --> 00:54:51.360
<v Speaker 8>which goes all around,

975
00:54:51.560 --> 00:54:51.760
<v Speaker 8>addiction.

976
00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:53.340
<v Speaker 8>And it was delightful to hear

977
00:54:53.340 --> 00:54:53.860
<v Speaker 8>your,

978
00:54:53.940 --> 00:54:56.080
<v Speaker 8>both of your comments

979
00:54:56.080 --> 00:54:59.100
<v Speaker 8>that that is not such a thick layer here

980
00:54:59.100 --> 00:54:59.700
<v Speaker 8>in,

981
00:54:59.720 --> 00:55:00.240
<v Speaker 8>in Australia,

982
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:01.920
<v Speaker 8>but it's there nevertheless.

983
00:55:02.500 --> 00:55:04.340
<v Speaker 8>And it's been really good to hear you,

984
00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:04.700
<v Speaker 8>Virginia,

985
00:55:05.740 --> 00:55:06.480
<v Speaker 8>I guess,

986
00:55:06.500 --> 00:55:08.180
<v Speaker 8>put that into some kind of context

987
00:55:08.740 --> 00:55:10.240
<v Speaker 8>that the blame and shame

988
00:55:10.240 --> 00:55:10.880
<v Speaker 8>is about

989
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.500
<v Speaker 8>us being separated from each other,

990
00:55:13.560 --> 00:55:14.920
<v Speaker 8>us not trusting each other,

991
00:55:14.940 --> 00:55:15.620
<v Speaker 8>us not having

992
00:55:15.620 --> 00:55:16.220
<v Speaker 8>the,

993
00:55:16.240 --> 00:55:18.340
<v Speaker 8>the safety in our communities

994
00:55:18.340 --> 00:55:18.740
<v Speaker 8>to

995
00:55:19.640 --> 00:55:20.420
<v Speaker 8>talk about

996
00:55:20.420 --> 00:55:21.320
<v Speaker 8>what's really,

997
00:55:21.560 --> 00:55:22.040
<v Speaker 8>going on.

998
00:55:25.460 --> 00:55:27.560
<v Speaker 8>I'm just trying to frame a question in there

999
00:55:27.560 --> 00:55:28.940
<v Speaker 8>because I think the point is about

1000
00:55:28.940 --> 00:55:30.560
<v Speaker 8>that blame and shame package,

1001
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:31.060
<v Speaker 8>how that,

1002
00:55:31.100 --> 00:55:31.460
<v Speaker 8>if you like,

1003
00:55:31.520 --> 00:55:32.620
<v Speaker 8>that drives it

1004
00:55:32.620 --> 00:55:34.220
<v Speaker 8>on a quite deep level.

1005
00:55:34.260 --> 00:55:35.520
<v Speaker 8>I noticed that we have

1006
00:55:37.600 --> 00:55:38.080
<v Speaker 8>respected

1007
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:41.220
<v Speaker 8>commentators on our local ABC

1008
00:55:41.220 --> 00:55:42.680
<v Speaker 8>who have no compunction about

1009
00:55:42.680 --> 00:55:45.060
<v Speaker 8>referring to anybody using drugs as a loser,

1010
00:55:45.660 --> 00:55:46.140
<v Speaker 8>which

1011
00:55:47.860 --> 00:55:48.560
<v Speaker 8>in my

1012
00:55:49.340 --> 00:55:49.820
<v Speaker 8>opinion

1013
00:55:49.820 --> 00:55:50.400
<v Speaker 8>drives

1014
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:51.320
<v Speaker 8>the whole,

1015
00:55:51.560 --> 00:55:52.420
<v Speaker 8>discussion down

1016
00:55:52.420 --> 00:55:53.660
<v Speaker 8>deeper again.

1017
00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:54.840
<v Speaker 8>Who's going to say,

1018
00:55:54.940 --> 00:55:55.940
<v Speaker 8>my child,

1019
00:55:55.980 --> 00:55:57.220
<v Speaker 8>I know my child is using

1020
00:55:57.220 --> 00:55:57.820
<v Speaker 8>heroin.

1021
00:55:58.460 --> 00:55:59.820
<v Speaker 8>Who's going to discuss that?

1022
00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:01.540
<v Speaker 8>How are we going to open up the abilities

1023
00:56:01.540 --> 00:56:03.020
<v Speaker 8>to discuss those,

1024
00:56:03.080 --> 00:56:04.220
<v Speaker 8>those questions,

1025
00:56:04.340 --> 00:56:04.820
<v Speaker 8>which are,

1026
00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:05.800
<v Speaker 8>I suggest,

1027
00:56:05.840 --> 00:56:06.440
<v Speaker 8>touching

1028
00:56:08.080 --> 00:56:08.560
<v Speaker 8>thousands,

1029
00:56:08.680 --> 00:56:10.300
<v Speaker 8>hundreds of thousands of Australians

1030
00:56:10.300 --> 00:56:11.460
<v Speaker 8>and people around the world.

1031
00:56:11.560 --> 00:56:11.900
<v Speaker 8>And I'm not,

1032
00:56:11.900 --> 00:56:13.320
<v Speaker 8>and I'm not even referring to the

1033
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:14.500
<v Speaker 8>people from

1034
00:56:15.940 --> 00:56:17.440
<v Speaker 8>indigenous backgrounds or

1035
00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:18.100
<v Speaker 8>immigrant,

1036
00:56:18.840 --> 00:56:19.320
<v Speaker 8>Asian,

1037
00:56:19.460 --> 00:56:19.860
<v Speaker 8>you know,

1038
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:21.360
<v Speaker 8>the sort of stereotypical groups.

1039
00:56:21.360 --> 00:56:22.080
<v Speaker 8>I'm talking about

1040
00:56:22.080 --> 00:56:23.480
<v Speaker 8>mainstream Australia.

1041
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:24.240
<v Speaker 8>So,

1042
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:25.700
<v Speaker 8>any thoughts,

1043
00:56:25.720 --> 00:56:26.100
<v Speaker 8>I suppose,

1044
00:56:26.260 --> 00:56:26.780
<v Speaker 8>is my question.

1045
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:28.860
<v Virginia McGowan>Well,

1046
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:29.440
<v Virginia McGowan>first of all,

1047
00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:31.360
<v Virginia McGowan>I would like to acknowledge your

1048
00:56:32.420 --> 00:56:32.920
<v Virginia McGowan>experience

1049
00:56:33.580 --> 00:56:35.300
<v Virginia McGowan>because to have had a family member

1050
00:56:35.300 --> 00:56:37.080
<v Virginia McGowan>who's caught up in these things

1051
00:56:37.080 --> 00:56:38.360
<v Virginia McGowan>and particularly to have one

1052
00:56:38.360 --> 00:56:40.560
<v Virginia McGowan>who has died as a result of it

1053
00:56:40.560 --> 00:56:41.780
<v Virginia McGowan>is a terrible tragedy.

1054
00:56:43.500 --> 00:56:44.560
<v Virginia McGowan>And too often,

1055
00:56:45.180 --> 00:56:47.120
<v Virginia McGowan>that stigma of shame and blame

1056
00:56:48.300 --> 00:56:49.120
<v Virginia McGowan>silences people.

1057
00:56:49.600 --> 00:56:51.120
<v Virginia McGowan>It silences families,

1058
00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:53.100
<v Virginia McGowan>it pushes them further and further away

1059
00:56:53.100 --> 00:56:53.740
<v Virginia McGowan>from healing.

1060
00:56:53.820 --> 00:56:54.960
<v Virginia McGowan>It pushes all of us.

1061
00:56:55.060 --> 00:56:56.160
<v Virginia McGowan>Every time

1062
00:56:57.360 --> 00:56:59.680
<v Virginia McGowan>that wall of silence comes crashing down.

1063
00:57:00.460 --> 00:57:03.060
<v Virginia McGowan>It doesn't just affect the family that's been involved.

1064
00:57:03.300 --> 00:57:06.080
<v Virginia McGowan>It affects every single one of us in our society.

1065
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:08.060
<v Virginia McGowan>We all suffer.

1066
00:57:09.220 --> 00:57:11.660
<v Virginia McGowan>We suffer because it's further disconnecting us from

1067
00:57:12.160 --> 00:57:13.960
<v Virginia McGowan>reaching out to each other as people who

1068
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:17.120
<v Virginia McGowan>experience pain and suffering and joy and delight and every,

1069
00:57:17.200 --> 00:57:19.480
<v Virginia McGowan>all that whole range of emotion and share those emotions.

1070
00:57:21.680 --> 00:57:24.340
<v Virginia McGowan>And it's one of the things that I see as most common

1071
00:57:24.340 --> 00:57:25.480
<v Virginia McGowan>around addiction

1072
00:57:26.260 --> 00:57:28.480
<v Virginia McGowan>is this crashing wall of silence

1073
00:57:29.220 --> 00:57:32.640
<v Virginia McGowan>and the distancing of people from situations of pain

1074
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:34.740
<v Virginia McGowan>that are associated with addiction.

1075
00:57:37.720 --> 00:57:39.100
<v Virginia McGowan>I think you've said it all.

1076
00:57:39.720 --> 00:57:40.980
<v Virginia McGowan>To be quite honest with you,

1077
00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:42.460
<v Virginia McGowan>I think that your comments about

1078
00:57:42.460 --> 00:57:45.200
<v Virginia McGowan>the shame and blame that surrounds it is

1079
00:57:45.200 --> 00:57:46.660
<v Virginia McGowan>exactly where it lives.

1080
00:57:47.980 --> 00:57:48.920
<v Virginia McGowan>How are we going,

1081
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:50.340
<v Virginia McGowan>the challenge to the rest of us is,

1082
00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:51.340
<v Virginia McGowan>how are we and our children,

1083
00:57:51.340 --> 00:57:53.920
<v Virginia McGowan>our daily lives and our everyday relations with other people

1084
00:57:55.460 --> 00:57:57.620
<v Virginia McGowan>going to reach out?

1085
00:57:58.200 --> 00:58:01.360
<v Virginia McGowan>Going to break through those walls of silence that we put up?

1086
00:58:03.940 --> 00:58:05.680
<v Virginia McGowan>It's a huge challenge because one of the

1087
00:58:06.540 --> 00:58:09.560
<v Virginia McGowan>central behavioral norms of Western society

1088
00:58:09.560 --> 00:58:11.960
<v Virginia McGowan>is that you do not talk about it.

1089
00:58:13.940 --> 00:58:14.420
<v Virginia McGowan>Not me.

1090
00:58:16.940 --> 00:58:18.040
<v Virginia McGowan>Not in my family.

1091
00:58:19.740 --> 00:58:20.760
<v Virginia McGowan>Doesn't happen.

1092
00:58:21.340 --> 00:58:22.600
<v Virginia McGowan>Must be something wrong there.

1093
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:23.820
<v Virginia McGowan>Maybe it's contagious.

1094
00:58:27.420 --> 00:58:30.820
<v Virginia McGowan>So I would like to challenge each and every one of you

1095
00:58:30.820 --> 00:58:32.600
<v Virginia McGowan>as we bring this session to a close

1096
00:58:33.580 --> 00:58:36.540
<v Virginia McGowan>to take it upon yourselves in your everyday lives

1097
00:58:36.540 --> 00:58:37.600
<v Virginia McGowan>to go out there

1098
00:58:38.660 --> 00:58:40.640
<v Virginia McGowan>and to be honest and to be open

1099
00:58:40.640 --> 00:58:42.220
<v Virginia McGowan>and to make connections with people,

1100
00:58:43.380 --> 00:58:46.960
<v Virginia McGowan>people who are suffering these terrible problems of addiction,

1101
00:58:47.600 --> 00:58:49.920
<v Virginia McGowan>who have suffered as a result of it

1102
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:51.780
<v Virginia McGowan>and are still bearing that with them.

1103
00:58:51.860 --> 00:58:54.920
<v Virginia McGowan>The longer we keep it blanketed in blame and shame,

1104
00:58:55.820 --> 00:58:57.660
<v Virginia McGowan>the deeper the problem will become

1105
00:58:58.240 --> 00:59:01.500
<v Virginia McGowan>and the less connected we will be able to get with other people.

1106
00:59:07.740 --> 00:59:10.840
<v Peter Sellars>Yes, thank you, Virginia.

1107
00:59:12.100 --> 00:59:12.960
<v Peter Sellars>Yes, Mary.

1108
00:59:13.780 --> 00:59:14.500
<v Speaker 9>Thank you.

1109
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:18.660
<v Speaker 9>I was a social worker at the Adelaide City Council

1110
00:59:18.660 --> 00:59:19.300
<v Speaker 9>from

1111
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:21.560
<v Speaker 9>1963 until 1981.

1112
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:24.960
<v Speaker 9>And during World War II,

1113
00:59:25.080 --> 00:59:28.760
<v Speaker 9>we had a severe housing problem in South Australia,

1114
00:59:28.980 --> 00:59:30.080
<v Speaker 9>in Adelaide.

1115
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:32.840
<v Speaker 9>And when I took my position,

1116
00:59:33.180 --> 00:59:38.560
<v Speaker 9>you wouldn't imagine how some of our isolated alcoholics

1117
00:59:38.560 --> 00:59:42.740
<v Speaker 9>were living in sheds and all sorts of ways.

1118
00:59:43.520 --> 00:59:45.560
<v Speaker 9>Well, now, the thing was that

1119
00:59:47.120 --> 00:59:47.860
<v Speaker 9>to start off,

1120
00:59:48.740 --> 00:59:50.180
<v Speaker 9>soon after I came,

1121
00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:52.980
<v Speaker 9>because my concern was about alcoholism,

1122
00:59:53.020 --> 00:59:54.180
<v Speaker 9>was I took up my job.

1123
00:59:54.700 --> 00:59:58.160
<v Speaker 9>Now, we had a conference here

1124
00:59:58.860 --> 01:00:02.800
<v Speaker 9>and brought a mental health authority over from Tasmania.

1125
01:00:03.500 --> 01:00:06.380
<v Speaker 9>And he said before he started on his,

1126
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:08.620
<v Speaker 9>what he's asked to talk on,

1127
01:00:08.660 --> 01:00:10.260
<v Speaker 9>he wanted to wave his flag,

1128
01:00:10.300 --> 01:00:12.000
<v Speaker 9>and I've been trying to wave it ever since.

1129
01:00:12.340 --> 01:00:16.500
<v Speaker 9>And that is, he said that he felt every child before leaving school

1130
01:00:16.500 --> 01:00:18.380
<v Speaker 9>should have developed an interest.

1131
01:00:19.660 --> 01:00:20.840
<v Speaker 9>Now, I want to go,

1132
01:00:21.500 --> 01:00:22.840
<v Speaker 9>I'll leave it with that message,

1133
01:00:22.900 --> 01:00:24.840
<v Speaker 9>because as you know, interests are creative,

1134
01:00:25.080 --> 01:00:29.280
<v Speaker 9>and they're very positive in helping people,

1135
01:00:29.380 --> 01:00:31.520
<v Speaker 9>particularly who, one way or another,

1136
01:00:31.660 --> 01:00:34.060
<v Speaker 9>find themselves living alone, as I do myself.

1137
01:00:34.600 --> 01:00:36.120
<v Speaker 9>Now, coming back to psychology,

1138
01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:42.000
<v Speaker 9>we should learn to be able to become independent as children,

1139
01:00:42.900 --> 01:00:44.860
<v Speaker 9>grow up to be doing the, in the,

1140
01:00:44.860 --> 01:00:46.800
<v Speaker 9>in the, from six to 12,

1141
01:00:46.940 --> 01:00:48.240
<v Speaker 9>and that's when you get indicated,

1142
01:00:48.420 --> 01:00:50.200
<v Speaker 9>and you, we're all so gregarious.

1143
01:00:50.220 --> 01:00:52.280
<v Speaker 9>We, we need to be with one another.

1144
01:00:54.160 --> 01:00:57.860
<v Speaker 9>Now, the, that, that time between six and 12,

1145
01:00:57.980 --> 01:01:00.800
<v Speaker 9>when so many of these days sit in front of that awful TV,

1146
01:01:00.860 --> 01:01:02.500
<v Speaker 9>which I turned off 20 years ago.

1147
01:01:03.220 --> 01:01:08.220
<v Speaker 9>Now, the thing is that children not having opportunities

1148
01:01:08.220 --> 01:01:10.900
<v Speaker 9>of being able to express themselves and trying this and that,

1149
01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:14.300
<v Speaker 9>because from other means of recreation, there are,

1150
01:01:14.860 --> 01:01:16.380
<v Speaker 9>there are thousands of choices you can have.

1151
01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:18.860
<v Speaker 9>Now, just very quickly,

1152
01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:25.880
<v Speaker 9>I feel myself that some group activities are needed,

1153
01:01:26.080 --> 01:01:29.140
<v Speaker 9>for some, for example, who can't cook for themselves,

1154
01:01:29.300 --> 01:01:31.000
<v Speaker 9>they used to go and have a midday meal

1155
01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:33.080
<v Speaker 9>down at our Daughters of Charity, for example.

1156
01:01:33.580 --> 01:01:37.400
<v Speaker 9>And then there are all sorts of other ways

1157
01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:40.560
<v Speaker 9>that I think we should be working in a positive way

1158
01:01:41.260 --> 01:01:44.700
<v Speaker 9>to create a balance, if we,

1159
01:01:44.860 --> 01:01:45.460
<v Speaker 9>if you know what I mean.

1160
01:01:45.620 --> 01:01:46.200
<v Peter Sellars>Thank you, Mary.

1161
01:01:46.340 --> 01:01:47.360
<v Peter Sellars>Thank you very much.

1162
01:01:47.420 --> 01:01:47.920
<v Peter Sellars>Thank you.

1163
01:01:48.160 --> 01:01:52.100
<v Peter Sellars>Could, could I really, thank you.

1164
01:01:52.140 --> 01:01:55.960
<v Peter Sellars>Could we first of all thank Dr. McGowan

1165
01:01:55.960 --> 01:02:00.720
<v Peter Sellars>for this extraordinary presentation of this kind of light and clarity.

1166
01:02:11.960 --> 01:02:14.560
<v Peter Sellars>May I please encourage you to come

1167
01:02:14.560 --> 01:02:17.380
<v Peter Sellars>across the weekend to follow the trail of this

1168
01:02:17.380 --> 01:02:19.640
<v Peter Sellars>across the Festival of Ideas.

1169
01:02:19.820 --> 01:02:22.760
<v Peter Sellars>I think for the gentleman who was looking for the jugular,

1170
01:02:22.860 --> 01:02:26.920
<v Peter Sellars>they'll, you'll find that when Al McCoy steps up to the microphone.

1171
01:02:27.160 --> 01:02:29.680
<v Peter Sellars>Please don't miss that extraordinary session

1172
01:02:29.680 --> 01:02:34.220
<v Peter Sellars>where, where Alfred McCoy will take on the drug war very directly.

1173
01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:38.140
<v Peter Sellars>But also, we're trying to approach the subject,

1174
01:02:38.260 --> 01:02:41.040
<v Peter Sellars>not just through a single perspective,

1175
01:02:41.300 --> 01:02:44.200
<v Peter Sellars>but actually begin to get the dimensionality

1176
01:02:44.200 --> 01:02:45.260
<v Peter Sellars>that is involved.

1177
01:02:45.660 --> 01:02:48.820
<v Peter Sellars>So please stay with us and thank you very much.

1178
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<v Peter Sellars>Have a beautiful afternoon.

