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<v Ian Lowe>to advise them on their new Ministry of Unsustainability

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<v Ian Lowe>and what policies that they could use to produce the unsustainable future that was their policy goal.

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<v Ian Lowe>So I gave some thought to this and I mapped out a program of policies.

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<v Ian Lowe>I thought that they should start with exponential growth in population

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<v Ian Lowe>because we know that no species can expand its population forever in a closed system

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<v Ian Lowe>and that populations are inevitably brought under control eventually

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<v Ian Lowe>through shortages of food or through disease or through fighting amongst themselves.

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<v Ian Lowe>So an unsustainable future, exponential population growth is a good starting point.

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<v Ian Lowe>How could we compound the impact of a growing population?

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<v Ian Lowe>Well, we could encourage increasing consumption per person

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<v Ian Lowe>and this would ensure that the growing population put a compounding,

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<v Ian Lowe>increasing efficiency.

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<v Ian Lowe>And this would have a significant effect on resources and on natural systems.

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<v Ian Lowe>I suggested perhaps we could go ahead and deplete some important resources.

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<v Ian Lowe>Oil would be a good one to start with.

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<v Ian Lowe>And of course at the time it was suggested that the peak of world oil production

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<v Ian Lowe>might already have happened, but if it hadn't happened it would be in the next few years.

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<v Ian Lowe>And we now know of course that it was in 2007 and oil production has declined dramatically.

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<v Ian Lowe>And of course with the price of petroleum fuels,

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<v Ian Lowe>now at $7 a litre, we've seen four-wheel drive vehicles banished to farms and mine sites

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<v Ian Lowe>where they should be rather than clogging up suburban streets.

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<v Ian Lowe>And we're well on the way to being a hydrogen economy

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<v Ian Lowe>because it's recognised that oil is so important that it needs to be saved

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<v Ian Lowe>for aviation fuel and lubricants.

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<v Ian Lowe>I advise them in terms of unsustainability that we could overuse

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<v Ian Lowe>our fisheries and forests and thus ensure that future generations

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<v Ian Lowe>didn't have the same opportunities that we had.

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<v Ian Lowe>In environmental terms, perhaps we could disrupt the global climate.

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<v Ian Lowe>That's a good way of producing an unsustainable future.

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<v Ian Lowe>In economic terms, I suggested that they could embrace a policy

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<v Ian Lowe>of exporting unprocessed raw materials of low value.

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<v Ian Lowe>Perhaps they could put money into infrastructure like wharves and railway lines and roads

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<v Ian Lowe>to encourage increase in oil production.

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<v Ian Lowe>Perhaps they could put money into the production of new and existing quantities

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<v Ian Lowe>of commodity exports.

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<v Ian Lowe>And they could commit the country to importing elaborately transformed

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<v Ian Lowe>manufacturers that required the export of increasing amounts of raw materials.

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<v Ian Lowe>In social terms, I suggested they should try and reduce social cohesion

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<v Ian Lowe>by expanding inequality, running down the public provision of health and transport

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<v Ian Lowe>and education in favour of a private provider model, I thought, would be a good mechanism of achieving that.

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<v Ian Lowe>I thought perhaps in industrial relations terms they might consider taking Australia

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<v Ian Lowe>back to the 1930s by changing even further the balance between employers and employees.

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<v Ian Lowe>Perhaps doing away with a centralised arbitration system and requiring people to negotiate individually

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<v Ian Lowe>with their employers would be a good way of doing that.

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<v Ian Lowe>And in spiritual terms, I thought they might encourage Australia to embrace crass materialism

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<v Ian Lowe>and the delusion that we will be more happy and more fulfilled.

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<v Ian Lowe>In economic terms, I suggested that they could embrace a policy of increasing the quality of the raw materials of the world.

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<v Ian Lowe>If we consume increasing quantities of raw materials.

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<v Ian Lowe>Now you can probably intuit why I was such a success as Director of Australia's Commission for the Future.

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<v Ian Lowe>I think I can claim that I've had most of my recommendations adopted even before I presented them to the government.

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<v Ian Lowe>Because what I spelled out in 2005 as the policy recipe for an unsustainable future

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<v Ian Lowe>was largely the strategies that were being followed at that time

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<v Ian Lowe>when Australia was in a state of crisis.

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<v Ian Lowe>It was rapidly depleting natural resources.

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<v Ian Lowe>It was doing relatively little about its serious environmental problems.

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<v Ian Lowe>It was so unconcerned about its economic viability that 43 consecutive trade deficits went largely unremarked.

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<v Ian Lowe>And the born again treasurer of the time, Peter Pentecostello, was able to explain this as showing that the market was really working.

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<v Ian Lowe>Equity and socialist stability were being undermined.

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<v Ian Lowe>And above all else,

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<v Ian Lowe>we were seeing what a conference at the time called the pressure of the increasing expectations of a growing population

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<v Ian Lowe>And surprisingly at the time,

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<v Ian Lowe>nobody remarked on the fact that the Australian Bureau of Statistics analysis

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<v Ian Lowe>showed that our economic progress was coming at social and environmental cost.

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<v Ian Lowe>They had by 2005 produced three reports in their series Measures of Australia's Progress

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<v Ian Lowe>which had shown that all of the economic indicators for Australia

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<v Ian Lowe>were positive apart from our trade deficit,

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<v Ian Lowe>that the social indicators were mixed with some very worrying negative trends,

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<v Ian Lowe>but almost all the environmental indicators were going in the wrong direction.

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<v Ian Lowe>And I recall that Mike Archer and Bob Beale in their 2004 book

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<v Ian Lowe>said that Australia had stoked the fires of wealth and growth by burning the floorboards.

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<v Ian Lowe>In 2004, in his influential book, Well and Good, Richard Eckersley asked the question,

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<v Ian Lowe>Given what you know about the state of the world,

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<v Ian Lowe>would it be your absolute top priority to become twice as rich in the next 20 years

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<v Ian Lowe>so you could double your consumption?

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<v Ian Lowe>And he said that when he asked that question,

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<v Ian Lowe>not many people, even those in the bottom deck aisle of the income distribution,

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<v Ian Lowe>thought that it was their absolute top priority to become twice as rich and double their consumption.

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<v Ian Lowe>He pointed out that that was at the time the top priority of all of our governments,

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<v Ian Lowe>state and federal, labour and coalition,

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<v Ian Lowe>who were all equally committed to a rate of economic growth of between 3 and 4 percent,

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<v Ian Lowe>which if continued would make us twice as rich in 20 years

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<v Ian Lowe>and allow us to double our consumption.

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<v Ian Lowe>It was clear at the time that our present process was unsustainable

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<v Ian Lowe>and that doing nothing was no longer an option,

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<v Ian Lowe>although if you recall it was by far the preferred strategy of most elected politicians.

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<v Ian Lowe>We were at the time being warned that global warming was likely to see

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<v Ian Lowe>an increase in temperature in the next century

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<v Ian Lowe>of three or four times that which we'd seen in the last century.

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<v Ian Lowe>The International Geosphere Biosphere Programme had warned us that

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<v Ian Lowe>in terms of key environmental parameters,

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<v Ian Lowe>the Earth system was right outside the range of natural variability

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<v Ian Lowe>of the last half million years

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<v Ian Lowe>and that human activities were affecting the dynamics of Earth systems

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<v Ian Lowe>in ways that were complex, interactive and apparently accelerating,

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<v Ian Lowe>so it was entirely conceivable that we could alter natural systems

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<v Ian Lowe>in ways that would threaten the very processes and components on which we depend.

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<v Ian Lowe>And it was recognised at the time that we had done much damage through ignorance,

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<v Ian Lowe>through applying narrow technical knowledge to parts of the problem

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<v Ian Lowe>instead of considering the complex interactions of natural systems,

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<v Ian Lowe>the physical, the chemical, the biological, the human, the social, the political and the economic.

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<v Ian Lowe>There had been some chastening reading at the time.

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<v Ian Lowe>The Ehrlichs, their book One with Nineveh, which took its title from the line in the old hymn The Recessional,

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<v Ian Lowe>Lo, all our pomp of yesterday is one with Nineveh entire,

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<v Ian Lowe>to remind us that past human societies have collapsed

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<v Ian Lowe>when they outgrew their resource base and failed to interact sustainably with natural systems.

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<v Ian Lowe>Similarly, Meadows, Randers and Meadows,

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<v Ian Lowe>in their book Limited,

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<v Ian Lowe>Limits to Growth, the 30-year update,

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<v Ian Lowe>had reminded us that they said in 1972

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<v Ian Lowe>that if the trends in growth were to continue for another 100 years,

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<v Ian Lowe>we would reach limits.

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<v Ian Lowe>And they suggested in 2004 in their update that some of those limits were visible.

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<v Ian Lowe>Jared Diamond's influential book Collapse pointed out that

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<v Ian Lowe>a range of previous human civilisations had collapsed

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<v Ian Lowe>and failing to take action to correct the trends.

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<v Ian Lowe>It also documented a range of human societies

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<v Ian Lowe>which had resolved their imbalance by changes to their social institutions,

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<v Ian Lowe>And he suggested in the subtitle of his book

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<v Ian Lowe>How Societies Choose to Fail or Survive

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<v Ian Lowe>that we make conscious choices which determine whether our societies fail.

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<v Ian Lowe>According to whether we are prepared to change practices

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<v Ian Lowe>which have served us in the past but are now causing problems.

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<v Ian Lowe>Richard Eckersley again suggested there were three alternative responses

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<v Ian Lowe>to the increasing realisation in the first years of this century

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<v Ian Lowe>that our process of development was not sustainable.

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<v Ian Lowe>The first, he said, was denial.

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<v Ian Lowe>John Kenneth Galbraith, he quoted as saying

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<v Ian Lowe>that rather than change, most people will try to prove

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<v Ian Lowe>that change is not really necessary.

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<v Ian Lowe>And Tanberg produced a wonderful cartoon

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<v Ian Lowe>when the Millennium Assessment Report was released in March this year

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<v Ian Lowe>when 1360 scientific experts from 95 countries

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<v Ian Lowe>concluded that we are on the brink of ecological disaster

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<v Ian Lowe>and they showed our Prime Minister being asked to respond saying

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<v Ian Lowe>I demand a second opinion.

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<v Ian Lowe>The second possible response is avoidance.

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<v Ian Lowe>And Eckersley quoted that great sage of our time, Woody Allen

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<v Ian Lowe>as saying, don't ever underestimate the powers of distraction.

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<v Ian Lowe>That you can distract people from problems by some large sporting events perhaps

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<v Ian Lowe>or by invading a country in the Northern Hemisphere

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<v Ian Lowe>or by trying to get them to focus their attention on short-term problems

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<v Ian Lowe>and problems which are fundamentally of less consequence

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<v Ian Lowe>If you were at the session last night,

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<v Ian Lowe>you would have heard Stephen Snyder comment on the relationship

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<v Ian Lowe>between the September the 11th terrorist attacks

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<v Ian Lowe>And I was on a panel with Philip Adams at a conference last year

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<v Ian Lowe>in which we were invited to speculate on the risks of terrorism

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<v Ian Lowe>and I pointed out that the Bali bombing shocked Australia

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<v Ian Lowe>100 Australians died, most of them young people.

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<v Ian Lowe>And this caused a fundamental change to the way we think

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<v Ian Lowe>But I reminded that conference that every three weeks

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<v Ian Lowe>100 Australians, most of them young people, die on our roads.

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<v Ian Lowe>And we regard this with such equanimity, we actually call it the road tolls

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<v Ian Lowe>if it were the inevitable price of using the system.

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<v Ian Lowe>Every two days, 100 Australians are killed by the effects of smoking tobacco.

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<v Ian Lowe>And again, we're remarkably sanguine about this risk.

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<v Ian Lowe>The point I'm making is that it is easy to be distracted

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<v Ian Lowe>that are much more fundamentally serious,

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<v Ian Lowe>Back in 2005, I suggested we should aim at healthier futures.

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<v Ian Lowe>And healthier was an acronym I developed because we use acronyms

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<v Ian Lowe>You might recall that we used the acronym

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<v Ian Lowe>And our approach to foreign policy,

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<v Ian Lowe>And the then Commonwealth government's approach to reconciliation,

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<v Ian Lowe>So in that spirit...

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<v Ian Lowe>In that spirit, I suggested the acronym HEALTHIER

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<v Ian Lowe>for the sort of futures we should be trying to achieve.

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<v Ian Lowe>I suggested they should be humane, have an ecocentric approach,

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<v Ian Lowe>They should be humane, I suggested, in the sense that we should be trying

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<v Ian Lowe>to develop technologies and approaches that could at least in principle

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<v Ian Lowe>It should have an ecocentric approach because we should recognize that

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<v Ian Lowe>the economy gives us things that we need,

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<v Ian Lowe>but predominantly it gives us things that we have to be persuaded to want,

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<v Ian Lowe>like designer clothes and DVD players and urban assault vehicles

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<v Ian Lowe>and copies of my new paperback book, which I promise not to mention.

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<v Ian Lowe>But the natural systems of this planet give us the things that we absolutely need,

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<v Ian Lowe>And unless we recognize that and put as our highest priority

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<v Ian Lowe>the maintenance of natural systems, we have no future even as a species,

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<v Ian Lowe>let alone as a civilization.

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<v Ian Lowe>It would have had a long time horizon because we would recognize

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<v Ian Lowe>that the decisions we take today about urban planning, about transport,

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<v Ian Lowe>But by and large, these decisions are taken by people who are worried

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<v Ian Lowe>And we'd make better decisions in a whole range of areas

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<v Ian Lowe>if we routinely asked ourselves what they would look like in 50 or 100 years' time.

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<v Ian Lowe>It would be informed in the sense that we would have invented

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<v Ian Lowe>It would be efficient in the sense that we would have dramatically improved

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<v Ian Lowe>the effectiveness of turning resources into the things that we want,

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<v Ian Lowe>and so dramatically reduce the demands on natural systems

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<v Ian Lowe>And finally, it would be resourced in the sense that we would have moved away

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<v Ian Lowe>Now, in specific terms, I suggested then that the basis for the changes

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<v Ian Lowe>of the early 1990s that had been gathering dust

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<v Ian Lowe>And they were there in the principles laid down in the report

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<v Ian Lowe>of the Global Scenarios Group, The Great Transition,

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<v Ian Lowe>which suggested that the underpinning values that are needed

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<v Ian Lowe>to produce a sustainable future are a new triad.

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<v Ian Lowe>They suggested that the values underpinning Western society

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<v Ian Lowe>And they suggested in 2005 that these need to give way

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<v Ian Lowe>And you may recall now that we adopted in the early years

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<v Ian Lowe>of this century these new values, and we moved towards being

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<v Ian Lowe>And the election of the new government last year was the culmination

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<v Ian Lowe>of the great change in social values,

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<v Ian Lowe>Let me remind you of the specific decisions that have been taken

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<v Ian Lowe>It decided to stabilise the Australian population

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<v Ian Lowe>and ending the facile incentives that were developed

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<v Ian Lowe>to encourage people to have more children.

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<v Ian Lowe>It has reset resource use to sustainable levels

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<v Ian Lowe>and recognising that it's conceivable for the entire human family

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<v Ian Lowe>to live at a level of resource consumption equivalent

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<v Ian Lowe>for the next 15 years to reduce resource use in Australia

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<v Ian Lowe>to that which we had in 1960,

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<v Ian Lowe>a level that we can consume with moral responsibility

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<v Ian Lowe>It has extended the initiative of the RAND government

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<v Ian Lowe>Garbage disposal services have been discontinued

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<v Ian Lowe>because we are now producing no waste that cannot be composted

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<v Ian Lowe>and turned into useful energy in the home.

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<v Ian Lowe>And it has embraced the principle that there will be

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<v Ian Lowe>no further loss of natural areas,

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<v Ian Lowe>and indeed the principle of levying people

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<v Ian Lowe>to ensure their maintenance has been extended

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<v Ian Lowe>We have adopted a target of a low-carbon future,

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<v Ian Lowe>extending the target that was already adopted

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<v Ian Lowe>of 60% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions by 2050,

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<v Ian Lowe>And in terms of implementing that,

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<v Ian Lowe>we have gone beyond the earlier promise

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<v Ian Lowe>that there will be no new coal power stations

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<v Ian Lowe>The new geothermal power station in the north of South Australia

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<v Ian Lowe>which were providing most of our energy until recently.

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<v Ian Lowe>As I said earlier, rising fuel prices

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<v Ian Lowe>and the new efficiency standards

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<v Ian Lowe>which the government has implemented

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<v Ian Lowe>has meant the end of four-wheel drive vehicles in city streets.

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<v Ian Lowe>And a new generation of urban planners

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<v Ian Lowe>see as their goal not to encourage mobility

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<v Ian Lowe>recognising that people do not come to cities

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<v Ian Lowe>so that they can drive around in search of services.

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<v Ian Lowe>They come to cities for the services that they provide,

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<v Ian Lowe>and the new school of planning

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<v Ian Lowe>where people live,

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<v Ian Lowe>so they no longer have to spend $10 a litre on fuel

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<v Ian Lowe>The government has dramatically invested

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<v Ian Lowe>It has abolished university fees

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<v Ian Lowe>as part of its commitment to educating all young Australians

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<v Ian Lowe>rather than the limits of their parents' wallet,

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<v Ian Lowe>because it recognises that an educated community

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<v Ian Lowe>Most fundamentally,

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<v Ian Lowe>it has embraced a new decision-making process,

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<v Ian Lowe>building on examples like the Resource Assessment Commission

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<v Ian Lowe>in the 1990s

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<v Ian Lowe>You might recall that the Resource Assessment Commission

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<v Ian Lowe>to look at a proposal to mine at Coronation Hill

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<v Ian Lowe>and it decided that there was no simple calculus

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<v Ian Lowe>that experts could advise

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<v Ian Lowe>they could advise on the social costs and benefits,

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<v Ian Lowe>And weighing those up to decide whether on balance

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<v Ian Lowe>that should be taken transparently and in the open.

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<v Ian Lowe>In similar terms, in the early 2000s,

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<v Ian Lowe>but more expensive ways, like microfiltration,

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<v Ian Lowe>commissioned engineering studies of the alternatives,

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<v Ian Lowe>and had an 18-month period of public discussion

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<v Ian Lowe>before inviting the public to make a decision in a plebiscite.

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<v Ian Lowe>And you might recall that the public of Douglas Shire

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<v Ian Lowe>the environmentally cleanest way.

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<v Ian Lowe>And the new government is inspired by those examples

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<v Ian Lowe>to trust the good sense of the Australian people

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<v Ian Lowe>and implement a decision-making process

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<v Ian Lowe>in which we are all involved in making difficult decisions,

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<v Ian Lowe>recognising that there are costs and benefits,

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<v Ian Lowe>winners and losers,

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<v Ian Lowe>and recognising that it's a matter of

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<v Ian Lowe>and how the winners will compensate the losers.

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<v Ian Lowe>Finally, as you know, the government has adopted

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<v Ian Lowe>The Ise Shrine is the main centre of the Shinto religion.

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<v Ian Lowe>It's the equivalent of St Peter's to the Catholic Church

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<v Ian Lowe>And I remember telling the government

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<v Ian Lowe>and I was struck by the fact that it was a wooden structure

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<v Ian Lowe>but appeared in perfect condition.

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<v Ian Lowe>And I was told the secret was that the Shrine

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<v Ian Lowe>And after the Shrine had been there for 20 years,

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<v Ian Lowe>they built a replica on the second site of the first one,

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<v Ian Lowe>And they were able to do this because the site

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<v Ian Lowe>And for 1200 years,

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<v Ian Lowe>so it is always new, always in good condition,

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<v Ian Lowe>but always produced sustainably from its natural resource base.

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<v Ian Lowe>And the adoption of the Ise Shrine as the metaphor

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<v Ian Lowe>for our society is symbolic of our embrace

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<v Ian Lowe>Now I remember when I spelt this out in 2005,

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<v Ian Lowe>even in the sort of friendly and intelligent audience

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<v Ian Lowe>there were still a few people in the audience

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<v Ian Lowe>who thought that I was talking about a utopian vision.

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<v Ian Lowe>And I reminded them that in one sense I was,

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<v Ian Lowe>but in another sense all of the great social advances

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<v Ian Lowe>of our time have been seen as utopian visions

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<v Ian Lowe>200 years ago, abolition of slavery was seen as utopian.

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<v Ian Lowe>And those who advocated it were accused of being economically naive

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<v Ian Lowe>Of course, the moral argument that slavery was untenable,

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<v Ian Lowe>100 years ago, votes for women was a utopian vision

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<v Ian Lowe>in most parts of the world, except isolated pockets

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<v Ian Lowe>in other parts of the world were persecuted.

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<v Ian Lowe>And the bewisked patriarchs who were in power suggested

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<v Ian Lowe>Of course, again, the moral argument that the majority

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<v Ian Lowe>Closer to the present day, I reminded the audience back in 2005,

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<v Ian Lowe>to dream of Berlin without the wall or South Africa without apartheid

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<v Ian Lowe>or technical advances like mobile phones to disrupt talks like this.

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<v Ian Lowe>Or laptop computers.

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<v Ian Lowe>Or social advances like good coffee and civilised licensing laws in Queensland.

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<v Ian Lowe>In fact, I reminded them all of the significant social advances,

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<v Ian Lowe>And I reminded them of a French postcard I have at home that sheets home

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<v Ian Lowe>And in smaller writing underneath it says also in French,

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<v Ian Lowe>Who will begin to change the world, my little one, if it is not you?

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<v Ian Lowe>Who will do it?

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<v Ian Lowe>And it's a way of reminding ourselves that if we want a better world,

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<v Ian Lowe>if we want a sustainable world, we can't wait for prime ministers,

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<v Ian Lowe>we can't wait for premiers, we can't wait for business leaders,

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<v Ian Lowe>we can't wait for other people.

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<v Ian Lowe>It really starts with each of us as individuals, as members of households,

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<v Ian Lowe>as members of communities, as members of groups, as interested citizens,

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<v Ian Lowe>to be doing what we can in our everyday life, in our purchasing decisions,

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<v Ian Lowe>in our voting behaviour, in our talking to other people,

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<v Ian Lowe>to advance that wonderful goal of a sustainable future.

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<v Ian Lowe>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>APPLAUSE

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, Ian's now prepared to take questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Given the size of the venue, I'd ask you to use the microphones.

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<v Speaker 2>There's one in the centre and one at the rear of the venue.

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<v Speaker 2>So who would like to ask the first question?

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<v Ian Lowe>I don't think I've said anything controversial.

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<v Speaker 2>What question I'd like to ask is, if you think about the focus on economic rationalism

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<v Speaker 2>and the economic policy, what do you think about the focus on economic rationalism and the economic policy?

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<v Speaker 2>And the economy in 2005, what role did environmental accounting

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<v Speaker 2>and the idea that companies ought to account for their resource consumption and that kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 2>what role has that to play over the period 2005 to 2015?

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<v Ian Lowe>Yes, well, you may remember in 2005, there was still the naïve delusion

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<v Ian Lowe>that as long as your company was profitable,

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<v Ian Lowe>it didn't matter if it was depleting resources or destroying the environment.

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<v Ian Lowe>The celebrated prosecutions in 2006 and 2008,

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<v Ian Lowe>which sought to destroy the environment,

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<v Ian Lowe>and the

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<v Ian Lowe>!

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<v Ian Lowe>awareness in particular in the business community.

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<v Ian Lowe>And

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<v Ian Lowe>the other thing that dramatically changed it

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<v Ian Lowe>was the increasing awareness

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<v Ian Lowe>of consumers of these

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<v Ian Lowe>issues and their increasing reluctance

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<v Ian Lowe>to buy the goods produced

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<v Ian Lowe>by companies that were seen to be operating

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<v Ian Lowe>in an unreasonable way. And

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<v Ian Lowe>I think it's salutary now to see

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<v Ian Lowe>how many of those companies

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<v Ian Lowe>have gone out of business. And

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<v Ian Lowe>interestingly, how the companies which

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<v Ian Lowe>way back in 2005 were

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<v Ian Lowe>talking about triple bottom line accounting

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<v Ian Lowe>seriously rather than

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<v Ian Lowe>no social accounting at all and superficial

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<v Ian Lowe>environmental assessment, how those

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<v Ian Lowe>companies have

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<v Ian Lowe>been not only viable

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<v Ian Lowe>but dynamic because

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<v Ian Lowe>they were in tune with the new mood of the community.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to ask

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<v Speaker 2>a question?

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>I love your image of a 2015

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<v Speaker 3>where Australia is showing the world what they can do.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess what I'm interested in

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<v Speaker 3>is, especially like

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<v Speaker 3>you focus on so many aspects

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<v Speaker 3>of sustainability including humanity

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<v Speaker 3>and I just wonder

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<v Speaker 3>with regards to say the third world

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<v Speaker 3>countries and other

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<v Speaker 3>developing nations

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<v Speaker 3>where, to what extent

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<v Speaker 3>can anyone I suppose

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<v Speaker 3>impose our own ideas of sustainability

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<v Speaker 3>on that and how can we

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<v Speaker 3>as the earth, as an

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<v Speaker 3>entire sort of

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<v Speaker 3>planet actually

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<v Speaker 3>achieve sustainability?

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<v Speaker 3>Given the huge range of different cultures and

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<v Ian Lowe>Good point.

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<v Ian Lowe>Let me go back to 2005

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<v Ian Lowe>and remind you that at that time

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<v Ian Lowe>there were two serious

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<v Ian Lowe>pressures on the natural environment and this had been

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<v Ian Lowe>documented back in 1987

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<v Ian Lowe>by the Brunton Commission.

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<v Ian Lowe>Appalling poverty in the poorest parts of the world

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<v Ian Lowe>and unsustainable levels of

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<v Ian Lowe>consumption in the rich parts of the world.

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<v Ian Lowe>And in 2005

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<v Ian Lowe>there are 1.2 billion people

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<v Ian Lowe>who don't have clean drinking water.

522
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:08.660
<v Ian Lowe>2.5 billion people who don't have sanitation.

523
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<v Ian Lowe>Hundreds of millions of people

524
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<v Ian Lowe>who don't have enough food.

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<v Ian Lowe>In large measure

526
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<v Ian Lowe>that is not a function of our

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<v Ian Lowe>incapacity to produce those services

528
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<v Ian Lowe>but the way in which we deliver them

529
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<v Ian Lowe>and the inequitable way in which they are delivered.

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<v Ian Lowe>And the best way of illustrating that

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<v Ian Lowe>is a study that the UN Development Program

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<v Ian Lowe>did in 2002

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<v Ian Lowe>which estimated the cost of providing

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<v Ian Lowe>the entire human population with clean drinking water

535
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<v Ian Lowe>adequate nutrition

536
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<v Ian Lowe>reasonable shelter

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<v Ian Lowe>and basic health care.

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<v Ian Lowe>And they concluded that it is about 10% of the global military budget.

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<v Ian Lowe>So in that sense

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<v Ian Lowe>there is plenty of resources

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<v Ian Lowe>to provide what is needed.

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<v Ian Lowe>In terms of food

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<v Ian Lowe>the world now produces 2 kilograms of food

544
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<v Ian Lowe>per person per day.

545
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<v Ian Lowe>And yet hundreds of millions go hungry

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<v Ian Lowe>while at the other end of the spectrum

547
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<v Ian Lowe>we have an obesity epidemic

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<v Ian Lowe>in some of the developed countries

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<v Ian Lowe>because of over consumption.

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<v Ian Lowe>So it's a matter of accepting

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<v Ian Lowe>that as we used to say in the 1990s

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<v Ian Lowe>some of us have to live more simply

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<v Ian Lowe>so that others can simply live.

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<v Ian Lowe>The reason I suggested the figure

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<v Ian Lowe>of living at a level of resource consumption

556
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<v Ian Lowe>that we had in the 1960s

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<v Ian Lowe>is that it's credible

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<v Ian Lowe>for the entire human population

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<v Ian Lowe>all 8, 9 billion as it will be

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<v Ian Lowe>by the time the population stabilises

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<v Ian Lowe>at a level of resource consumption

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<v Ian Lowe>equivalent to Australia in 1960.

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<v Ian Lowe>It is not credible

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<v Ian Lowe>for the entire human population

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<v Ian Lowe>in the entire world

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<v Ian Lowe>to live at a level of resource consumption

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<v Ian Lowe>equivalent to Australia in 2005.

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<v Ian Lowe>And so we have to have a process

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<v Ian Lowe>that's been called contract and converge

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<v Ian Lowe>in which the material living standards

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<v Ian Lowe>of the poorest parts of the world

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<v Ian Lowe>approach at least a measure

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<v Ian Lowe>of reasonable human dignity

574
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<v Ian Lowe>and our living standards

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<v Ian Lowe>become dramatically less wasteful.

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<v Ian Lowe>Several European countries

577
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<v Ian Lowe>have now adopted goals

578
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<v Ian Lowe>of reducing resource use

579
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<v Ian Lowe>by a factor of 10

580
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<v Ian Lowe>and a factor of 4.

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<v Ian Lowe>And these are seen as credible goals

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<v Ian Lowe>rather than science fiction targets

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<v Ian Lowe>and they are I believe

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<v Ian Lowe>the sort of targets which a government

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<v Ian Lowe>committed to sustainability

586
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<v Ian Lowe>would be embracing today.

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<v Ian Lowe>But we can't impose our culture on other people

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<v Ian Lowe>but what we can impose on other people

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<v Ian Lowe>is a recognition that we inhabit one planet

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<v Ian Lowe>and we have a shared destiny

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<v Ian Lowe>and that we have to ensure

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<v Ian Lowe>that the sum of the global demands

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<v Ian Lowe>on natural systems

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<v Ian Lowe>are within the sustainable limits.

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<v Ian Lowe>And at the moment we show no sign

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<v Ian Lowe>of recognising that in either the poor

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<v Ian Lowe>or the rich parts of the world.

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<v Ian Lowe>Next question.

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<v Audience>Ian, I just wonder whether you've

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<v Audience>thought about

601
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<v Audience>the environmental

602
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<v Audience>irresponsibility of the new

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<v Audience>industries, the knowledge industries.

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<v Audience>It seems to me that

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<v Audience>computers

606
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<v Audience>are amongst

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<v Audience>the most wasteful

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<v Audience>things

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<v Audience>that you could possibly buy.

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<v Audience>In a sense the innovation industries.

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<v Audience>For example last week

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<v Audience>I think I had a paper jam

613
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<v Audience>in my Hewlett Packard printer

614
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<v Audience>and I received

615
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<v Audience>a call from North India

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<v Audience>or I called the service department

617
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<v Audience>and we mucked around with it

618
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<v Audience>for a few hours and couldn't find it

619
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<v Audience>so their suggestion was

620
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<v Audience>we'll offer you a $300

621
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<v Audience>discount

622
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<v Audience>and so you throw out your 2 year old machine

623
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<v Audience>and you simply

624
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<v Audience>buy a new one.

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<v Audience>Computers are not made so that

626
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<v Audience>the old Apple computer

627
00:32:39.940 --> 00:32:40.760
<v Audience>used to be able to

628
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<v Audience>virtually change the slots

629
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<v Audience>of computers and

630
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<v Audience>keep the shell of the old machine.

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<v Audience>These new industries

632
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<v Audience>are causing a new kind of

633
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<v Audience>impoverishment and

634
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<v Audience>I think that the innovation

635
00:32:55.560 --> 00:32:57.320
<v Audience>industry is creating this sort of

636
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<v Audience>very wasteful strategy.

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<v Audience>Have you thought about any of that

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<v Audience>and what that means and I find that

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<v Audience>depressing because we're not talking about

640
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<v Audience>the whole industry, we're talking about

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<v Audience>the so called smart industry.

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<v Ian Lowe>You're entirely right.

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<v Ian Lowe>There are industries that we should encourage

644
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<v Ian Lowe>because they use only totally recycled electrons

645
00:33:15.100 --> 00:33:17.120
<v Ian Lowe>like web pages

646
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<v Ian Lowe>or writing software

647
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<v Ian Lowe>but the ridiculous pressure for

648
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<v Ian Lowe>upgrading of technical capacity

649
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<v Ian Lowe>I think is leading to

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<v Ian Lowe>extraordinarily wasteful use of resources

651
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:29.420
<v Ian Lowe>and a significant amount of

652
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<v Ian Lowe>pollution because there are

653
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<v Ian Lowe>some quite intractable wastes associated

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<v Ian Lowe>with the small computers that are now

655
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<v Ian Lowe>being disposed of.

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<v Ian Lowe>I remember coming to grips with this about

657
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<v Ian Lowe>10 years ago because I'd calculated that my

658
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<v Ian Lowe>if I continued to write about

659
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<v Ian Lowe>5,000 words a week

660
00:33:45.360 --> 00:33:46.700
<v Ian Lowe>which is probably

661
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<v Ian Lowe>towards the top end

662
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<v Ian Lowe>of the

663
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<v Ian Lowe>productivity of people who earn their

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<v Ian Lowe>living by manipulating words

665
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<v Ian Lowe>it would take me about 700 years

666
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<v Ian Lowe>to fill the hard drive on my computer

667
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<v Ian Lowe>and I calculated

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<v Ian Lowe>that when I'm using my computer

669
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<v Ian Lowe>to write

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<v Ian Lowe>99.9999% of the time

671
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<v Ian Lowe>it is waiting for me to hit the next key

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<v Ian Lowe>and 0.0001% of the time

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<v Ian Lowe>it is processing what I've done.

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<v Ian Lowe>Now I thought of this

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<v Ian Lowe>because I was being urged by the university

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<v Ian Lowe>to upgrade my computer

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<v Ian Lowe>to one which had 10 times the capacity

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<v Ian Lowe>and 5 times the speed

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<v Ian Lowe>so that I could look forward to taking 7,000

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<v Ian Lowe>years to fill the hard drive

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<v Ian Lowe>and an even larger fraction

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00:34:29.600 --> 00:34:31.640
<v Ian Lowe>of the time spent waiting for me to hit the next

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<v Ian Lowe>keystroke and that is clearly ridiculous.

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<v Ian Lowe>What you've pointed to I think is a

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00:34:35.680 --> 00:34:36.420
<v Ian Lowe>general problem

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00:34:37.100 --> 00:34:39.560
<v Ian Lowe>which is the extent to which fashion

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00:34:39.560 --> 00:34:41.740
<v Ian Lowe>and the desire for improvement

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00:34:41.740 --> 00:34:43.760
<v Ian Lowe>causes us to throw out

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<v Ian Lowe>things which are perfectly serviceable

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00:34:45.460 --> 00:34:47.560
<v Ian Lowe>and it's a function

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<v Ian Lowe>of the fact that we don't tax

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<v Ian Lowe>resources, in fact

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<v Ian Lowe>if you're a large resource user

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<v Ian Lowe>we subsidise your resource use

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<v Ian Lowe>and in the sustainable future that I envisage

696
00:34:57.800 --> 00:34:59.580
<v Ian Lowe>rather than taxing people

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00:34:59.580 --> 00:35:01.360
<v Ian Lowe>on how many they employ and calling it a

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00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:03.540
<v Ian Lowe>payroll tax or taxing

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<v Ian Lowe>profits and reducing

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<v Ian Lowe>incentives for research

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<v Ian Lowe>and innovation, we would have governments

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00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:11.280
<v Ian Lowe>that subsidise research and innovation

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00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:13.140
<v Ian Lowe>and heavily tax resources

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00:35:13.680 --> 00:35:15.620
<v Ian Lowe>so that there is a real financial incentive

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<v Ian Lowe>to use resources efficiently.

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<v Speaker 2>Next question.

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<v Audience>The population issue

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<v Audience>Australia's population has been

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<v Audience>a fairly constant proportion of

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<v Audience>world population since the 1970s

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<v Audience>at about 5.3%.

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<v Audience>Why shouldn't it continue that way

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<v Audience>for the next 50 years which would see

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00:35:39.600 --> 00:35:40.940
<v Audience>our population go up to about

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00:35:41.680 --> 00:35:43.520
<v Audience>30 million, give or take 3 million.

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<v Audience>Now

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<v Audience>if you say

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<v Audience>well bringing people to Australia

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00:35:49.340 --> 00:35:51.620
<v Audience>tends to bump up

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00:35:51.620 --> 00:35:53.500
<v Audience>their per capita consumption

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<v Audience>quite a lot, especially if they come from

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<v Audience>Pacific Islands or

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<v Audience>other poor countries

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<v Audience>but if you say

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<v Audience>let's reduce

726
00:36:03.300 --> 00:36:05.480
<v Audience>the world consumption

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00:36:05.680 --> 00:36:08.020
<v Audience>by keeping people out of Australia

728
00:36:08.020 --> 00:36:11.240
<v Audience>keeping people in low consumption countries

729
00:36:11.240 --> 00:36:12.280
<v Audience>that seems rather

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00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:14.240
<v Audience>an inequitable way

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<v Audience>of doing that.

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<v Audience>I think we should concentrate

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<v Audience>less on worrying about our population

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<v Audience>and more on worrying about our

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00:36:21.120 --> 00:36:21.960
<v Audience>per capita consumption.

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<v Ian Lowe>I think we've got to worry about both

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00:36:24.740 --> 00:36:27.260
<v Ian Lowe>because I said to some people last year

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<v Ian Lowe>that the planet doesn't understand

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00:36:28.700 --> 00:36:29.660
<v Ian Lowe>per capita consumption.

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00:36:30.260 --> 00:36:33.080
<v Ian Lowe>It only understands total consumption.

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00:36:33.580 --> 00:36:35.500
<v Ian Lowe>It doesn't understand per capita

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00:36:35.680 --> 00:36:37.220
<v Ian Lowe>production of waste. It only understands

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00:36:37.220 --> 00:36:38.460
<v Ian Lowe>the total amount of waste.

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00:36:38.620 --> 00:36:40.940
<v Ian Lowe>The planet sees how much carbon dioxide

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00:36:40.940 --> 00:36:43.580
<v Ian Lowe>we produce or how much

746
00:36:43.580 --> 00:36:45.620
<v Ian Lowe>sewage we tip in the ocean, not how many heads

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00:36:45.620 --> 00:36:47.320
<v Ian Lowe>or other parts of the anatomy are producing

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00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:49.440
<v Ian Lowe>the pollution. So in those terms

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<v Ian Lowe>I think we have to consider both population

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00:36:51.700 --> 00:36:53.580
<v Ian Lowe>and consumption per person.

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<v Ian Lowe>My view is that

752
00:36:56.220 --> 00:36:57.660
<v Ian Lowe>we should be aiming to

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00:36:57.660 --> 00:36:58.900
<v Ian Lowe>stabilise the population

754
00:36:59.680 --> 00:37:01.560
<v Ian Lowe>and in terms of people wanting to come

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00:37:01.560 --> 00:37:03.700
<v Ian Lowe>here, I think if we really believe

756
00:37:03.700 --> 00:37:05.460
<v Ian Lowe>that we want to

757
00:37:05.680 --> 00:37:06.980
<v Ian Lowe>discourage people from coming here,

758
00:37:07.120 --> 00:37:09.280
<v Ian Lowe>the best way to ensure that they're not crowding

759
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:11.540
<v Ian Lowe>into leaky boats and braving shark

760
00:37:11.540 --> 00:37:13.600
<v Ian Lowe>infested waters to come here is to

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00:37:13.600 --> 00:37:15.860
<v Ian Lowe>ensure that they have a fulfilled life where they are.

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<v Ian Lowe>And in those terms I think

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00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:19.600
<v Ian Lowe>investment in improving the material

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00:37:19.600 --> 00:37:21.620
<v Ian Lowe>wellbeing of people in the poorer parts of

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00:37:21.620 --> 00:37:23.580
<v Ian Lowe>our region is not

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<v Ian Lowe>just our humanitarian duty,

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00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:26.980
<v Ian Lowe>it's also enlightened self-interest.

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00:37:27.300 --> 00:37:29.600
<v Ian Lowe>But if you want the Australian population

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<v Ian Lowe>to keep increasing

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<v Ian Lowe>and you accept that the current population

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00:37:33.240 --> 00:37:35.260
<v Ian Lowe>is putting unsustainable pressures on

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00:37:35.680 --> 00:37:37.320
<v Ian Lowe>the political systems, and I think the evidence for that

773
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:39.460
<v Ian Lowe>is overwhelming, then if the

774
00:37:39.460 --> 00:37:41.000
<v Ian Lowe>population keeps increasing

775
00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:42.860
<v Ian Lowe>the consumption per capita

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00:37:42.860 --> 00:37:45.360
<v Ian Lowe>has to be reduced disproportionately

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00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:47.880
<v Ian Lowe>faster to bring us back into balance.

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<v Ian Lowe>In one sense I'm comfortable

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<v Ian Lowe>with either, but I think that it's a much more

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00:37:51.740 --> 00:37:53.040
<v Ian Lowe>tractable problem to say

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00:37:53.680 --> 00:37:55.100
<v Ian Lowe>we will stabilise the population

782
00:37:55.680 --> 00:37:57.720
<v Ian Lowe>and we will stabilise consumption per head.

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00:37:57.900 --> 00:37:59.660
<v Ian Lowe>If we don't stabilise the population

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00:37:59.660 --> 00:38:01.520
<v Ian Lowe>then we have to keep reducing consumption

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00:38:01.520 --> 00:38:03.520
<v Ian Lowe>per head to get us back into balance.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll take one more question.

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<v Speaker 2>Just thinking about

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00:38:08.020 --> 00:38:10.120
<v Audience>the consumer

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00:38:10.120 --> 00:38:10.760
<v Audience>led changes

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<v Audience>starting way back in the

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<v Audience>2000 and 1990s

792
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<v Audience>and now in the

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<v Audience>2015, we might

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<v Audience>take for granted such

795
00:38:21.640 --> 00:38:23.500
<v Audience>legislation as the informed

796
00:38:23.500 --> 00:38:24.400
<v Audience>consumers legislation.

797
00:38:25.680 --> 00:38:27.360
<v Audience>For example back in 2005

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00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:29.220
<v Audience>it might have been very hard for

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<v Audience>individuals to trace

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<v Audience>which products say come from

801
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<v Audience>old growth forests.

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<v Audience>Just thinking back to that time,

803
00:38:37.660 --> 00:38:39.240
<v Audience>how important was that legislation

804
00:38:39.240 --> 00:38:41.680
<v Audience>to sort of have consumers

805
00:38:41.680 --> 00:38:42.500
<v Audience>consumption

806
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:45.360
<v Audience>as a form of democracy to

807
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:47.440
<v Audience>promote change, and

808
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:49.260
<v Audience>what were the key steps that enabled the

809
00:38:49.260 --> 00:38:50.380
<v Audience>development of that legislation?

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00:38:50.940 --> 00:38:53.640
<v Ian Lowe>If you cast your mind back there's been a whole series of changes.

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00:38:53.740 --> 00:38:55.500
<v Ian Lowe>We used to just get products in a box

812
00:38:55.500 --> 00:38:57.320
<v Ian Lowe>and we've been steadily given more

813
00:38:57.320 --> 00:38:59.400
<v Ian Lowe>information about whether they're made in

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00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:01.300
<v Ian Lowe>Australia or assembled in Australia from

815
00:39:01.300 --> 00:39:03.560
<v Ian Lowe>imported ingredients, whether they contain

816
00:39:03.560 --> 00:39:05.620
<v Ian Lowe>things that you might worry about on health

817
00:39:05.680 --> 00:39:07.500
<v Ian Lowe>grounds, what the nutritional

818
00:39:07.500 --> 00:39:08.840
<v Ian Lowe>balance is and so on.

819
00:39:09.080 --> 00:39:11.060
<v Ian Lowe>It's a logical extension of that

820
00:39:11.680 --> 00:39:13.180
<v Ian Lowe>to include information about

821
00:39:13.180 --> 00:39:15.380
<v Ian Lowe>the environmental provenance

822
00:39:15.380 --> 00:39:17.540
<v Ian Lowe>or the environmental demands of their

823
00:39:17.540 --> 00:39:18.080
<v Ian Lowe>provenance.

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<v Ian Lowe>I think in 10 years time it will seem

825
00:39:21.300 --> 00:39:23.520
<v Ian Lowe>as quaint that at one

826
00:39:23.520 --> 00:39:25.560
<v Ian Lowe>stage people weren't aware of the environmental

827
00:39:25.560 --> 00:39:27.080
<v Ian Lowe>consequences of their choices

828
00:39:27.680 --> 00:39:29.400
<v Ian Lowe>as we now think that it's quaint that people

829
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:31.520
<v Ian Lowe>didn't know how much fat was in a

830
00:39:31.520 --> 00:39:33.580
<v Ian Lowe>product or whether it contained things

831
00:39:33.580 --> 00:39:34.660
<v Ian Lowe>to which they were allergic.

832
00:39:35.680 --> 00:39:37.360
<v Ian Lowe>Whether it told them whether it was produced

833
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:39.320
<v Ian Lowe>in Australia or overseas

834
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:41.340
<v Ian Lowe>so that they could make those sorts of informed

835
00:39:41.340 --> 00:39:43.180
<v Ian Lowe>decisions. So if

836
00:39:43.180 --> 00:39:45.520
<v Ian Lowe>you accept that people are entitled

837
00:39:45.520 --> 00:39:47.340
<v Ian Lowe>to be able to make informed

838
00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:49.580
<v Ian Lowe>decisions, then there is

839
00:39:49.580 --> 00:39:51.440
<v Ian Lowe>a duty to provide that information.

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00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:53.680
<v Ian Lowe>And my view

841
00:39:53.680 --> 00:39:55.540
<v Ian Lowe>is that we should continue this process

842
00:39:55.540 --> 00:39:57.580
<v Ian Lowe>which has now been going on since the

843
00:39:57.580 --> 00:39:59.620
<v Ian Lowe>Australian Consumers Association was established

844
00:39:59.620 --> 00:40:00.720
<v Ian Lowe>I think in 1959

845
00:40:01.300 --> 00:40:03.460
<v Ian Lowe>and it was testing kettles

846
00:40:03.460 --> 00:40:04.940
<v Ian Lowe>in Ted Wheelwright's kitchen.

847
00:40:05.680 --> 00:40:07.200
<v Ian Lowe>We need to keep

848
00:40:07.200 --> 00:40:09.280
<v Ian Lowe>extending that process of providing

849
00:40:10.600 --> 00:40:11.740
<v Ian Lowe>fuller and better

850
00:40:11.740 --> 00:40:13.260
<v Ian Lowe>information to consumers

851
00:40:14.300 --> 00:40:15.520
<v Ian Lowe>so that we are

852
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<v Ian Lowe>consciously aware

853
00:40:17.200 --> 00:40:19.180
<v Ian Lowe>of the environmental consequences

854
00:40:19.180 --> 00:40:21.380
<v Ian Lowe>of our choices and only

855
00:40:21.380 --> 00:40:23.160
<v Ian Lowe>if we are aware of those consequences

856
00:40:23.160 --> 00:40:25.140
<v Ian Lowe>can we build them into our decision making.

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00:40:25.460 --> 00:40:27.700
<v Ian Lowe>At the moment we're able to supplement

858
00:40:27.700 --> 00:40:29.140
<v Ian Lowe>the value for money consideration

859
00:40:29.680 --> 00:40:31.280
<v Ian Lowe>with information about dietary

860
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:33.300
<v Ian Lowe>considerations and the political

861
00:40:33.300 --> 00:40:35.520
<v Ian Lowe>consequences of our choices. But I think

862
00:40:35.680 --> 00:40:37.200
<v Ian Lowe>we should also have information about the

863
00:40:37.200 --> 00:40:38.280
<v Ian Lowe>environmental consequences.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's been a fantastic

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00:40:41.420 --> 00:40:42.760
<v Speaker 2>answer and fantastic

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<v Speaker 2>conclusion so let's join in

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<v Speaker 2>taking it.

