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<v Sharon Burrow>Welcome. My name is Sharon Burrow. I'm the President of the Australian Council of Trade Unions

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<v Sharon Burrow>and I'm just delighted to be here. It's an honour in fact to be able to chair this session with Amy

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<v Sharon Burrow>Dean and I'm very grateful to the Bob Hawke Prime Ministerial Centre as part of the Uni of South

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<v Sharon Burrow>Australia that we've been able to finally get Amy into the country. For quite a while actually the

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<v Sharon Burrow>labour movement's tried to get Amy to come and visit us and I'll tell you why in a minute and I

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<v Sharon Burrow>think you'll be excited to to know that we have such a woman and a young woman at that with such

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<v Sharon Burrow>incredible talent and successes and she's got a lot to teach us. Let me tell you a little bit about

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<v Sharon Burrow>Amy. Amy has been the Executive Director of the South Bay Labour Council which is located in

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<v Sharon Burrow>downtown Silicon Valley and she's been in that position for 13 years. She's

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<v Sharon Burrow>! She's a woman with incredible vision because she built an organisation called Working Partnerships

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<v Sharon Burrow>which is primarily a research organisation but it's community focused. It's about how you position

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<v Sharon Burrow>the labour movement, the growth of new jobs, how you manage the new economy in the context of a

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<v Sharon Burrow>community and in the context of community values and partnerships. And through that organisation

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<v Sharon Burrow>Working Partnerships

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<v Sharon Burrow>then they've created an economic blueprint which provides the basis for an alternative agenda to the

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<v Sharon Burrow>orthodoxy of business. It isn't about getting rid of

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<v Sharon Burrow>business, on the contrary, it's about growing jobs, but it is about saying people matter and that

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<v Sharon Burrow>people sit at the heart of decent communities and that we want decent work where we can balance

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<v Sharon Burrow>and with a new team at the AFL-CIO, the equivalent of the ACTU.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Well, I should say, you know, we're but a speck of their numerical numbers.

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<v Sharon Burrow>But in terms of the Peak Labor Council,

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<v Sharon Burrow>the AFL-CIO recognised that they needed Amy's talents too

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<v Sharon Burrow>and they made her the chair of the committee,

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<v Sharon Burrow>the Central Labor Council Advisory Committee for the Peak Union body.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Now, she's actually managed to take that blueprint

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<v Sharon Burrow>or to work with other Labor councils to take that blueprint

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<v Sharon Burrow>and create a language, we were just saying,

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<v Sharon Burrow>a common language across the country about the role of Labor councils

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<v Sharon Burrow>and their central place in our community speaking for working families.

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<v Sharon Burrow>The result we know as the Union Cities Program

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<v Sharon Burrow>and one of the reasons we're so excited to have Amy in Australia

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<v Sharon Burrow>is that we know if our own communities are going to pick up

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<v Sharon Burrow>a job, we're going to be able to do that.

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<v Sharon Burrow>If we can get a genuine renewal around the kind of values

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<v Sharon Burrow>that you're talking about right across this festival,

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<v Sharon Burrow>then we need to invest in a debate about what sits at the heart

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<v Sharon Burrow>of decent work in our communities

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<v Sharon Burrow>and what makes it possible for working families to prosper.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Now, I want to tell you that Amy has a five-year-old boy

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<v Sharon Burrow>and she's actually taken a year off

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<v Sharon Burrow>and she's writing a book about her favourite passion,

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<v Sharon Burrow>which is in fact the future of the Labor movement.

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<v Sharon Burrow>So we are honoured to have her with us.

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<v Sharon Burrow>But I want to put some things in context for Amy

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<v Sharon Burrow>and I'll just take a couple of minutes.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Because Australians and working families in Australia

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<v Sharon Burrow>are also facing an incredible change in the nature of work.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Whether it's the over-hours culture,

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<v Sharon Burrow>that means that many parents will tell you,

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<v Sharon Burrow>particularly fathers, that they don't know their children anymore,

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<v Sharon Burrow>that they don't have time to see them on a regular and daily basis.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Or whether it's underemployment

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<v Sharon Burrow>and people can't get to work,

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<v Sharon Burrow>and people can't get enough hours.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Whether it's the fact that one in three, almost 28%,

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<v Sharon Burrow>and headed towards one in three of Australians now work

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<v Sharon Burrow>in casual employment, and the bulk of that's part-time.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Whether it's that 40% of working mothers

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<v Sharon Burrow>don't have any leave entitlements.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Because they're casual workers,

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<v Sharon Burrow>they don't have a day's sick leave or a day's annual leave.

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<v Sharon Burrow>And that's certainly not based on the values of Australian communities.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Whether it's any of those examples

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<v Sharon Burrow>or many, many more,

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<v Sharon Burrow>that we could talk to you about,

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<v Sharon Burrow>that is creating the widening inequality

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<v Sharon Burrow>between those unionists, full-time unionists,

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<v Sharon Burrow>who earn 17% more than non-union members.

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<v Sharon Burrow>That makes us proud on the one level of our work.

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<v Sharon Burrow>But at another level, it says we've got a widening inequality

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<v Sharon Burrow>where of all of the jobs created,

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<v Sharon Burrow>and this is the new economy in part,

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<v Sharon Burrow>most of them service jobs,

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<v Sharon Burrow>all of the jobs created over the last 10 years,

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<v Sharon Burrow>89% of them are non-union.

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<v Sharon Burrow>And we've got a problem.

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<v Sharon Burrow>we earn less than 26,000 a year,

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<v Sharon Burrow>and 47% of them less than 16,000,

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<v Sharon Burrow>because they're part-time casual jobs,

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<v Sharon Burrow>without the kind of standards

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<v Sharon Burrow>that we would ascribe to traditional job security.

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<v Sharon Burrow>And of course, when you consider that the bulk, overwhelming majority,

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<v Sharon Burrow>of the Australian population of 20 million

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<v Sharon Burrow>with a little bit here in Adelaide,

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<v Sharon Burrow>and a little bit more in Perth,

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<v Sharon Burrow>and a tad or three in Darwin,

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<v Sharon Burrow>then we've got a problem.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Because we do have to renew our communities,

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<v Sharon Burrow>both within the city context,

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<v Sharon Burrow>in terms of urban and particular outer suburb renewal,

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<v Sharon Burrow>but also, most importantly, in rural and regional Australia.

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<v Sharon Burrow>It's incredibly important that we put working families,

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<v Sharon Burrow>their aspirations, their aspirations for their children,

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<v Sharon Burrow>and indeed decent work,

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<v Sharon Burrow>at the heart of a renewal process.

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<v Sharon Burrow>And I can't think of anyone else more experienced,

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<v Sharon Burrow>more entitled, really,

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<v Sharon Burrow>to come and give us advice,

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<v Sharon Burrow>than Amy Deem.

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<v Sharon Burrow>As a comrade,

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<v Sharon Burrow>and a sister in the labour movement internationally,

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<v Sharon Burrow>we are truly honoured to have her with us.

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<v Amy Dean>Good afternoon.

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<v Amy Dean>You know, I first want to just tell you how proud I am

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<v Amy Dean>to be on the same stage as Sharon Burrow.

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<v Amy Dean>And as many of you know,

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<v Amy Dean>Sharon began her working life as a teacher,

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<v Amy Dean>and of course she still is.

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<v Amy Dean>Except now as president of the ACTU,

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<v Amy Dean>she's educating millions of Americans

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<v Amy Dean>about labour's vision for Australia.

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<v Amy Dean>And from what I can tell,

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<v Amy Dean>I've been here three days,

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<v Amy Dean>everywhere I go,

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<v Amy Dean>people say she's doing an incredible job.

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<v Amy Dean>I also want to thank Greg and the organisers of this conference

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<v Amy Dean>for inviting me.

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<v Amy Dean>I'm really very, very grateful for the opportunity to be here.

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<v Amy Dean>I've learned already so much from the last evening and today,

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<v Amy Dean>and I hope I have an opportunity to give back just a bit,

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<v Amy Dean>as much as I've taken away.

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<v Amy Dean>But I also have a small confession to make.

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<v Amy Dean>And it's that given President Bush's unpopularity

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<v Amy Dean>I really was a bit anxious about whether as an American

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<v Amy Dean>I'd experience any animosity here in Australia.

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<v Amy Dean>But I'm happy to say that the opposite's really been true.

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<v Amy Dean>The people I've had the chance to meet with

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<v Amy Dean>over the last few days have been wonderful,

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<v Amy Dean>warm, incredibly engaging.

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<v Amy Dean>And I actually have to tell you something else too,

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<v Amy Dean>which is to my surprise,

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<v Amy Dean>I've discovered that President Bush

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<v Amy Dean>In fact, it seems you know,

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<v Amy Dean>you like him so much that you've given him

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<v Amy Dean>You call him Drongo.

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<v Amy Dean>Well, in all seriousness,

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<v Amy Dean>I do appreciate the welcome I've received

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<v Amy Dean>and I also appreciate the fact that Australians understand

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<v Amy Dean>that President Bush doesn't speak for all Americans.

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<v Amy Dean>Then again, why would he?

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<v Amy Dean>After all, he wasn't elected, was he?

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<v Amy Dean>Now, I didn't come all this way to complain about President Bush,

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<v Amy Dean>but it's just so hard not to.

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<v Amy Dean>Because long before he began talking about his war in Iraq,

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<v Amy Dean>it was plain to see that the policies he was promoting

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<v Amy Dean>in many respects represented almost the exact opposite

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<v Amy Dean>and still need.

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<v Amy Dean>His supporters believe that President Bush

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<v Amy Dean>and I would agree, however,

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<v Amy Dean>that time has ended several decades ago.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, that was a world when the Unilever,

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<v Amy Dean>the unilateral use of military power,

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<v Amy Dean>It was a world where government could operate

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<v Amy Dean>And it was a world where many leaders were content

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<v Amy Dean>Now, that almost religious reverence for market forces

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<v Amy Dean>is of course the essence of conservatism,

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<v Amy Dean>The question is, is it warranted?

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<v Amy Dean>Just over a decade ago,

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<v Amy Dean>And what the cause they stood up and risked their lives for

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<v Amy Dean>wasn't privatization, it was freedom.

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<v Amy Dean>And an idea that most of us would call democratic socialism.

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<v Amy Dean>It was the simple but profoundly rational belief

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<v Amy Dean>And I would suggest that as much of the 1980s

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<v Amy Dean>The economist John Kenneth Galbraith once remarked that

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<v Amy Dean>the modern conservative is engaged in one of man's

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<v Amy Dean>That is the search for a moral justification for selfishness.

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<v Amy Dean>And the evidence of that privation grows starker each day,

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<v Amy Dean>For example, here in Australia,

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<v Amy Dean>Sharon and other trade unionists battled for years

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<v Amy Dean>which ultimately involved unions around the world,

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<v Amy Dean>they were doing the same in Indonesia and America too.

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<v Amy Dean>After all, here's a company that in the 70s,

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<v Amy Dean>to keep miners in Namibia working in what amounted to slave wage labor conditions.

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<v Amy Dean>Now in the US, when some people hear that,

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<v Amy Dean>But they're also not surprised because to many mine owners,

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<v Amy Dean>stupidity and brutality have always been on our traditions.

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<v Amy Dean>Where a lot of people don't expect to hear about workers being abused

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<v Amy Dean>is within what's come to be known as the so-called new economy.

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<v Amy Dean>All those fast-growing corporations,

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<v Amy Dean>who often boast about their commitment to their workforce

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<v Amy Dean>I want to share an example with you.

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<v Amy Dean>Today, the world's largest corporation

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<v Amy Dean>In the year 2002 alone,

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<v Amy Dean>they posted sales of more than $244.5 billion.

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<v Amy Dean>They have more than 3,200 stores in the US

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<v Amy Dean>and another 1,300 in Canada, China, Brazil, Germany, the UK,

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<v Amy Dean>Argentina, South Korea, and about a half dozen other countries.

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<v Amy Dean>They have a workforce of more than 1.3 million men and women.

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<v Amy Dean>Now if you ask its management how Walmart got to be so big,

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<v Amy Dean>you'll hear a lot of rubbish about their commitment to excellence.

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<v Amy Dean>Well, the way they really got so big is that they sell their goods for less

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<v Amy Dean>than the store down the street.

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<v Amy Dean>And they do that by paying less to their workers.

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<v Amy Dean>Right now, a Walmart employee in the US who works a 30-hour week,

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<v Amy Dean>earns about $2,000 less than what a single parent with two children

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<v Amy Dean>But that's not all.

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<v Amy Dean>As most of you are aware, the US is still the only industrial nation

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<v Amy Dean>To see a doctor in the US, 60% of workers and their families

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<v Amy Dean>Usually, the company pays the bulk of the cost and workers pay a share as well.

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<v Amy Dean>In contrast, only 38% of Walmart employees have this kind of insurance.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, one executive at Walmart bragged that by refusing to provide insurance,

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<v Amy Dean>the company is able to shift the cost of their medical care to the public.

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<v Amy Dean>In other words, Walmart workers and their families are expected to get their medical care

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<v Amy Dean>through government programs for poor or from charities.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, one might ask why the workers at Walmart don't form a labor union.

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<v Amy Dean>Well, the reason is that Walmart will do whatever it takes to prevent employees

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<v Amy Dean>Now, three years ago, when some butchers at one Walmart voted to ban

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<v Amy Dean>the company from having a union, the company not only refused to recognize it,

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<v Amy Dean>but they retaliated by transferring all those folks into lower-paying jobs.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, the workers took the company to court, and a judge ordered Walmart

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<v Amy Dean>to negotiate with the union. That happened last month, three years after the fact.

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<v Amy Dean>But like Rio Tinto, Walmart doesn't only profit by abusing its workers at home,

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<v Amy Dean>but around the world. In Bangladesh, girls making shirts sold by Walmart

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<v Amy Dean>are forced to work between 7.30 a.m. to 8.00 p.m.

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<v Amy Dean>seven days a week, and they earn less than one-third the legal overtime rate.

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<v Amy Dean>In Mexico, workers making women's clothing for Walmart are paid 61 cents an hour,

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<v Amy Dean>well below subsistence. And in Guatemala, 1,500 workers at another factory

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<v Amy Dean>are on their job between 66 and 80 hours a week, and refusing to work overtime

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<v Amy Dean>means an eight-day suspension without pay. Now, if you confront Walmart,

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<v Amy Dean>they'll tell you they really want their subcontractors to treat workers fairly.

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<v Amy Dean>They can really only do so much. Now, here's a company that does more than

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<v Amy Dean>$240 billion in business every year, yet they lack the ability to make sure

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<v Amy Dean>the girls working in a factory are paid fairly. When I hear things like that,

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<v Amy Dean>I sometimes am reminded of a friend of mine who once said she could always tell

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<v Amy Dean>when a politician was lying. So I asked her, I said, how can you tell?

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<v Amy Dean>And she said, it's easy. His lips are moving.

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<v Amy Dean>But it's not only Walmart. The region that I've done the majority of my work in

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<v Amy Dean>is San Jose, California, Silicon Valley, the epicenter of the so-called new economy.

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<v Amy Dean>We're the home of Yahoo, Hewlett-Packard, Cisco, Adobe, Intel, and literally scores

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<v Amy Dean>of other high-tech firms. Now, during one month, 12-month period alone,

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<v Amy Dean>more than $17 billion in venture capital was invested in our area.

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<v Amy Dean>We're now the fourth largest export market in the United States. And even with all that,

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<v Amy Dean>four of the ten fastest-growing occupations now offer working families less than what it takes

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<v Amy Dean>to stay out of poverty. Roughly 40% of all jobs in our community pay less than what families need

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<v Amy Dean>to live decent, middle-class lives. And last year, only 14% of the families in San Jose

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<v Amy Dean>could afford to buy a home. Now, how is it possible for companies like Yahoo and Hewlett-Packard

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<v Amy Dean>to succeed while the community around it is failing? Well, to a great degree, that's a byproduct

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<v Amy Dean>of their strategy. It's the same strategy used by high-tech companies in Germany, in Japan,

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<v Amy Dean>It's that you pay your domestic workforce as little as possible by moving as much capacity

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<v Amy Dean>as you can to low-wage countries. And it's not just in manufacturing jobs.

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<v Amy Dean>It's increasingly happening in knowledge jobs as well. For example, right now, there are more than

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<v Amy Dean>200 businesses operating in San Jose whose job is to place temporary workers with local companies.

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<v Amy Dean>Some of these workers could end up working at the same company for months, even years,

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<v Amy Dean>but because technically a labor broker employs them, they're denied the better wages and benefits

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<v Amy Dean>And that's why they're being denied permanent employment.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, two workers sitting next to each other and doing the same job, but one is paid less

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<v Amy Dean>and receives no benefits because she's only considered a temporary worker.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, how widespread is that? Well, over the course of one year alone, more than 40,000 women and men

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<v Amy Dean>in my community had no choice but to work as temporary employees.

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<v Amy Dean>But again, it's not only a matter of the domestic workforce going without the economic security they need.

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<v Amy Dean>They're also shifting more to lower-wage labor markets outside the country.

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<v Amy Dean>For example, in San Jose, there are more than 1,000 women and men in San Jose.

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<v Amy Dean>For example, Microsoft, a company with $46 billion in the bank, is in the process of moving its customer call center jobs

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<v Amy Dean>out of the U.S. to other countries, particularly India.

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<v Amy Dean>For the companies, it's a very easy transition to make.

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<v Amy Dean>The only problem has been training workers to lose their Indian accent.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, I'm told that one way they do this is by sitting workers in front of televisions for hours

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<v Amy Dean>and having them watch reruns of American TV shows.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, I don't know if Sharon would agree, but that may constitute a form of worker abuse

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<v Amy Dean>But one impact of job shifts like these is that hourly earnings of U.S. computer consultants

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<v Amy Dean>have dropped by 10% to 40%.

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<v Amy Dean>So what's been the labor movement's response to all this?

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<v Amy Dean>Well, if you said nothing, you're right, because there really hasn't been one.

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<v Amy Dean>Instead of a strategy, what we've really offered has been a series of reactions.

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<v Amy Dean>For example, in some instances, we've gone to court

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<v Amy Dean>and legislatures and to the bargaining table to insist that temporary workers be permanent.

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<v Amy Dean>Sometimes we've won. More often, we've lost.

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<v Amy Dean>And at other times, we've tried to use those same approaches to keep companies from relocating jobs overseas.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, that would usually fail, leaving communities and unions no other option than begging employers to stay

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<v Amy Dean>and bribing them with offers of public subsidies and other contract concessions.

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<v Amy Dean>And in the end, that hasn't worked very well either.

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<v Amy Dean>In some respects, I think the failure of the American economy

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<v Amy Dean>and the American labor movement to advert the exodus of technology jobs to low-wage labor markets

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<v Amy Dean>was summed up best by one international union president who several years ago said that

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<v Amy Dean>if a company wanted to move jobs to Mexico, he would stop them at the border.

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<v Amy Dean>Well, it was a memorable piece of rhetoric, but it ignored the fact that to the tech industry, borders don't exist.

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<v Amy Dean>And even more, they can't.

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<v Amy Dean>They can't because unlike the economy of the 60s and 70s and even 80s,

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<v Amy Dean>high technology companies must be able to move jobs to Mexico.

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<v Amy Dean>And that's why the government has to be prepared to act almost instantaneously to take advantage of emerging business opportunities.

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<v Amy Dean>The idea that a customer in Hungary or Argentina would be willing to wait two weeks

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<v Amy Dean>for the arrival of an American-made or Australian-made computer component is absurd.

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<v Amy Dean>Anyone who's ever worked in a busy office when a computer crashes understands that waiting isn't really much of an option.

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<v Amy Dean>And that's why it's better for business to have the capacity where your customers are

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<v Amy Dean>rather than require your customers to depend on capacity that's located where you are.

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<v Amy Dean>And very few executives would tell you that there's a contract concession or a public subsidy

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<v Amy Dean>that outweighs the cost of losing access to a new market.

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<v Amy Dean>But it's not only borders that don't exist.

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<v Amy Dean>It's also the old way of making things and selling them.

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<v Amy Dean>Except for a little bit of tinkering here and there, the business model used by manufacturers has gone unchanged

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<v Amy Dean>That makes sense when the product was standardized.

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<v Amy Dean>Henry Ford, the famous industrialist, and I might add an infamous anti-Semite,

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<v Amy Dean>once said that customers could only buy a Model T Ford in any color they wanted, so long as it was black.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, 80 years ago, that approach made Ford a multi-millionaire.

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<v Amy Dean>But if he tried that approach in high technology today, he'd be out of business within a month.

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<v Amy Dean>Computer systems and other high technology products are crafted to meet specific consumer needs.

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<v Amy Dean>And because of that, it's much easier and more lucrative for companies to use contractors

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<v Amy Dean>so they can increase and reduce their capacity to meet the requirements of a specific project.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, sometimes that might mean contracting for a year with a company with 5,000 employees,

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<v Amy Dean>and it also could mean contracting with five individual workers for a week.

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<v Amy Dean>And as we're seeing in the U.S. and here in Australia, that way of doing business isn't only limited to technology companies.

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<v Amy Dean>It's been refashioned for the retail industry, for the energy industry, for healthcare, for transportation, and for government.

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<v Amy Dean>So what's the net result of all this?

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<v Amy Dean>Well, it's an economic future for the industry.

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<v Amy Dean>It's an economic future for young people in Australia, the U.S., and I'd suggest most of the world

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<v Amy Dean>that's considerably more dismal than the economy we're living in today.

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<v Amy Dean>A future where jobs will offer little of the security we have

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<v Amy Dean>Given the scale of the crisis we're facing, is there reason to hold out any hope of a resurgence of a labor movement?

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<v Amy Dean>And I think there has to be, because otherwise the consequences would be intolerable.

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<v Amy Dean>In the U.S., we've already seen how the decline in labor is a result of the economic crisis.

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<v Amy Dean>The decline in the labor movement hasn't only weakened the voice of workers on the job,

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<v Amy Dean>but paved the way for the rise of George Bush and a host of the most reactionary politicians in recent memory.

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<v Amy Dean>I'm talking about politicians who, in the name of national security, took collective bargaining rights away from baggage inspectors at American airports.

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<v Amy Dean>But compounding labor's own weakness has been the reluctance of many of our so-called friends in the Democratic Party to champion our agenda.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, some of them say they are political centrists,

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<v Amy Dean>I think of them as political cowards.

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<v Amy Dean>And for all his populist rhetoric, the truth is that Bill Clinton did not initiate one improvement in national labor law.

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<v Amy Dean>In fact, one could say that American workers would be better off had only Bill Clinton been as daring in his public life as he was in his private one.

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<v Amy Dean>But the blame for organized labor's woes in the U.S., and I think much of the world, can't be pinned on any politician.

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<v Amy Dean>Our wounds have been largely self-inflicted.

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<v Amy Dean>And they are the result of our failure to anticipate the economic changes around us.

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<v Amy Dean>They are the result of our xenophobia.

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<v Amy Dean>And they are the result of our own stagnation, the fact that too many labor leaders stopped behaving like they were part of a movement,

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<v Amy Dean>and instead thought of themselves as managing institutions.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, add to that fact that most union leaders are older, white, and male, at a time when the workforce is increasingly younger, non-white and female.

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<v Amy Dean>And you have the makings of unions which are not only indifferent to economic changes, but out of touch with their own members.

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<v Amy Dean>And that stagnation and resistance to change extends to politics too.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, during political campaigns in the U.S., union members are expected to hand out campaign literature, put up signs, attend rallies.

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<v Amy Dean>But draft policies and campaign positions? Forget it.

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<v Amy Dean>Then, too often, after the votes are counted, too many labor leaders have no idea what they want the candidate they helped elect to do.

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<v Amy Dean>So they end up being bought off with invitations to receptions, or help getting their son or daughter a job, or seats at a football game.

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<v Amy Dean>All the while, the politician strays further and further away.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, can any institution last like that for long? I don't think so.

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<v Amy Dean>And that's why I'm convinced that the challenge we face isn't to make marginal reforms, but to rebuild trade unionism from the bottom up.

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<v Amy Dean>In essence, we need to refashion ourselves into a new and very different movement that speaks not only to the needs of workers in our own communities, but around the world.

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<v Amy Dean>And luckily, I think we have a model that we can use for guidance.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, it's not the labor movement of long ago.

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<v Amy Dean>But it's actually the environmental movement of today.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, consider for a moment how the environmental movement became so incredibly effective.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, I've given this a lot of thought. I had a long playtime on the way over here.

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<v Amy Dean>And I'd say it's because of the following.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, when the modern environmental movement first came into being in the early 1970s,

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<v Amy Dean>the issues it was concerned with were problems like the use of pesticides, air pollution,

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<v Amy Dean>protecting endangered species, cleaning up rivers, and preserving wilderness areas.

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<v Amy Dean>But it was able to move quickly to identify and respond to additional problems.

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<v Amy Dean>The safety of nuclear power, the dumping of toxic waste, the need to promote energy conservation, and the use of renewable resources, and more.

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<v Amy Dean>Are we this responsive to change in the labor movement?

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<v Amy Dean>We aren't now, but we could be.

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<v Amy Dean>As I mentioned, industry is depending more and more on temporary employees.

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<v Amy Dean>Many of them are hired through brokerages.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, the attitude with the U.S. labor movement is that unions really don't have much to say to those workers.

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<v Amy Dean>In fact, they're considered so difficult to organize in conventional terms, most unions don't even bother.

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<v Amy Dean>Well, in our part of California, we thought about it differently.

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<v Amy Dean>And we realized that because the economy wasn't going to change to suit us, we had to change to suit it.

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<v Amy Dean>And that's why we created working partnerships, staffing services, which is an alternative to the labor brokers.

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<v Amy Dean>Today, we offer high-tech companies and other employers with temporary workers.

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<v Amy Dean>We have state-of-the-art training in fields ranging from word processing to accounting.

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<v Amy Dean>That's good, but what makes us different is that by dedicating what would have been profits to worker salaries and benefits,

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<v Amy Dean>the workers we place are now the best compensated temporary workers in the region.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, our message to those workers hasn't been that we'll guarantee you job security, because the truth is no union can guarantee that anymore.

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<v Amy Dean>But what we can provide is the opportunity to give workers chances to gain skills and continuously upgrade their skills so that they can be employable.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, that's not what unions usually do.

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<v Amy Dean>And it's what labor brokers never do.

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<v Amy Dean>And as a result, we're now on our way to being the largest temporary employment operation in our community.

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<v Amy Dean>And we didn't stop there.

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<v Amy Dean>We also recognized that our responsibility as a labor organization wasn't only to help workers win contracts in the traditional sense.

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<v Amy Dean>Our mission was really to help workers and their families win economic security, period.

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<v Amy Dean>And once we began to see ourselves in those terms, we began moving ahead on a whole series of fronts.

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<v Amy Dean>We joined together with neighborhood groups in the city of San Jose to pass the strongest living wage law in America.

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<v Amy Dean>What that means is that workers employed by any company which performs any service for the city, they must pay their workforce enough to enjoy a decent standard of living.

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<v Amy Dean>Further, it makes it illegal for those companies to interfere with the union organizing campaign among those workers.

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<v Amy Dean>You can imagine the response of the business community.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, some of them predicted that San Jose would become an industrial ghost town,

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<v Amy Dean>or the kind of place where only Joseph Stalin would want to live.

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<v Amy Dean>Well, they were wrong.

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<v Amy Dean>But our efforts did more than help raise wages for workers.

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<v Amy Dean>It redefined the mission of unions in the eyes of the community.

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<v Amy Dean>People began to see us less as an advocate for our own institutional interests and more as an advocate for all workers and their families.

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<v Amy Dean>That, in turn, allowed us to build broader public support for the candidates we endorsed for elected office.

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<v Amy Dean>And, of course, once they were elected, we were able to achieve even more.

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<v Amy Dean>We're proud that people that we helped get elected worked with us.

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<v Amy Dean>To make our community the first in America to guarantee medical care for every child.

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<v Amy Dean>We're proud that we're working now with them to create the affordable housing that working families in San Jose so desperately need.

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<v Amy Dean>And we're thrilled by the progress we've been making to help create alternative modes of transportation

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<v Amy Dean>so lower income workers don't have to keep spending their money to buy cars when they can't afford to.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, the second lesson of the environmental movement is that you have to understand the global nature of the problems we're faced with.

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<v Amy Dean>The role of the health

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<v Amy Dean>and fishing and tourism and other concerns that directly impacted the lives of people where they lived.

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<v Amy Dean>Organized labor needs to take the same approach in responding to multinationals.

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<v Amy Dean>I already mentioned efforts like the campaign at Rio Tinto.

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<v Amy Dean>Well, we need to do much, much more.

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<v Amy Dean>If environmentalists can educate the world about holes in the ozone layer,

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<v Amy Dean>I think that unions in Australia and the U.S. and elsewhere

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<v Amy Dean>ought to be able to educate the public about the need for a global minimum wage.

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<v Amy Dean>We ought to be able to mobilize public opinion globally on behalf of a worker's right to organize.

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<v Amy Dean>Just consider for a moment the worldwide movement that's taken shape against sweatshops and the use of child labor.

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<v Amy Dean>Consider the impact we've already had on the WTO

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<v Amy Dean>and the fact that they're now at least giving lip service to the idea of incorporating labor standards into trade agreements.

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<v Amy Dean>Just consider the fact that even the World Bank now concedes

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<v Amy Dean>that unions really do improve the lives of workers in the developing world.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, these are things that were achieved,

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<v Amy Dean>not because organized labor took the lead,

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<v Amy Dean>but in many respects because students did.

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<v Amy Dean>Just think what we could accomplish if, for once,

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<v Amy Dean>unions internationally agreed upon a common agenda,

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<v Amy Dean>which really wouldn't be too difficult,

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<v Amy Dean>but decided to back up its rhetoric with action

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<v Amy Dean>and to build an alliance with young people to make it happen.

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<v Amy Dean>And that leads me to the third and final lesson, I think,

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<v Amy Dean>that environmentalists have to teach us,

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<v Amy Dean>and that's to offer a compelling vision for a better future.

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<v Amy Dean>And I think that sounds easier

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<v Amy Dean>than it really is.

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<v Amy Dean>In America, for example,

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<v Amy Dean>unions have always been skittish about talking about the kind of society

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<v Amy Dean>and world we'd like to create.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, much of the reason for that is that,

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<v Amy Dean>historically, our government had this habit of putting union leaders who do that into prison.

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<v Amy Dean>For example, in 1920,

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<v Amy Dean>the founder of the American Railway Union, Eugene Debs, was jailed.

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<v Amy Dean>Though that didn't stop him from accepting the nomination of the Socialist Party

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<v Amy Dean>to be President of the United States.

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<v Amy Dean>But he was jailed.

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<v Amy Dean>But needless to say, he lost.

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<v Amy Dean>But even in losing, he succeeded in demonstrating that there was public support

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<v Amy Dean>for ideas once considered radical.

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<v Amy Dean>And some of those ideas were eventually embraced

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<v Amy Dean>by a Democratic president named Franklin Roosevelt.

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<v Amy Dean>Since that era, the bulk of the U.S. labor movement

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<v Amy Dean>has been distinctly non-ideological.

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<v Amy Dean>And to the extent that we talk about our worldview,

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<v Amy Dean>it's in the context of reforms we'd like to achieve,

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<v Amy Dean>like national health insurance or fair trade policy.

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<v Amy Dean>But many labor leaders remember that.

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<v Amy Dean>And many of them regard even that kind of political advocacy

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<v Amy Dean>as secondary to their real job of negotiating contracts.

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<v Amy Dean>And personally, I'm convinced that if labor fails to articulate its vision,

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<v Amy Dean>it does so at its own peril.

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<v Amy Dean>Because as the popularity of men like Ronald Reagan or George Bush

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<v Amy Dean>or even your own John Howard ought to remind us,

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<v Amy Dean>workers are far more likely to support conservatives

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<v Amy Dean>who have a bold, clear vision

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<v Amy Dean>than cautious progressives who simply shy away from controversy.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, does that mean we should be more careful about our own policy?

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<v Amy Dean>Risking a defeat now and then in order to get your point across?

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<v Amy Dean>And I think it might.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, that's not a popular position within the labor movement.

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<v Amy Dean>But there are times when I'm reminded of the story

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<v Amy Dean>of two men standing in front of a firing squad.

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<v Amy Dean>The two men are asked if they have any last words.

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<v Amy Dean>And just as one of them is about to speak,

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<v Amy Dean>the other one whispers to him,

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<v Amy Dean>hey, don't make any trouble.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, I'm originally from the city of Chicago,

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<v Amy Dean>and Chicago was the home of a great,

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<v Amy Dean>great organizer named Saul Alinsky.

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<v Amy Dean>Saul Alinsky once said,

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<v Amy Dean>change means movement,

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<v Amy Dean>and movement means friction,

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<v Amy Dean>and friction means heat,

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<v Amy Dean>and heat means controversy.

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<v Amy Dean>Can labor offer the kind of clarity and boldness

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<v Amy Dean>that's going to capture the imagination of workers again?

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<v Amy Dean>And are we willing to risk becoming controversial to do it?

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<v Amy Dean>I think it's our only choice,

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<v Amy Dean>and we don't have a moment to waste.

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<v Amy Dean>When I was growing up,

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<v Amy Dean>I used to remember hearing adults talk about Robert Kennedy,

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<v Amy Dean>who was running for president.

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<v Amy Dean>And they would often talk about this quote that he would use

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<v Amy Dean>when he quoted Alfred Minkoff,

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<v Amy Dean>Lloyd Tennyson saying,

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<v Amy Dean>some men see things as they are and say why.

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<v Amy Dean>But I dream of things that never were and say why not.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, I think it's up to us, our generation,

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<v Amy Dean>to ask ourselves that same question.

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<v Amy Dean>To dream of a world where all workers are treated with dignity and respect.

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<v Amy Dean>To dream of a world where we're the beneficiaries of a new economy,

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<v Amy Dean>not its victims.

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<v Amy Dean>And to dream of a world where young boys and girls

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<v Amy Dean>wake up to go to schools and not factories,

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<v Amy Dean>and where they grow up knowing that life is to be a dream.

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<v Amy Dean>And be enjoyed, not endured.

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<v Amy Dean>To dream of a world where every mother and every father

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<v Amy Dean>is able to go to sleep at night,

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<v Amy Dean>confident that their children will live in a world at peace.

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<v Amy Dean>That's the kind of world we trade unionists dream of.

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<v Amy Dean>And it's time to ask, why not?

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<v Amy Dean>Thank you.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Now, I'm sure you've got lots of questions,

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<v Sharon Burrow>and so get them ready.

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<v Sharon Burrow>I'd like to tell Amy that the man that she referred to

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<v Sharon Burrow>that heads up her country, who we call Drongo,

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<v Sharon Burrow>has a friend here called John Howard,

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<v Sharon Burrow>and it wouldn't be bad to put them both, frankly,

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<v Sharon Burrow>on one of those Pacific islands that might just go underwater

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<v Sharon Burrow>and bring the people of the Pacific here.

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<v Sharon Burrow>I think we'd have a richer future.

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<v Sharon Burrow>But in...

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<v Sharon Burrow>In all context, while that may seem a harsh judgment,

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<v Sharon Burrow>I said that because what Amy raises

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<v Sharon Burrow>is a set of questions about values.

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<v Sharon Burrow>What are the values that should underpin our community?

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<v Sharon Burrow>And I'm absolutely confident that we can get a large consensus,

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<v Sharon Burrow>if not total consensus,

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<v Sharon Burrow>a large consensus across all spectrums of the political divide.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Because whether you're a conservative

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<v Sharon Burrow>or whether, in fact, you're on the radical side of politics,

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<v Sharon Burrow>most people want similar things.

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<v Sharon Burrow>They want to be able to raise their families with dignity.

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<v Sharon Burrow>That means they require a decent income.

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<v Sharon Burrow>In the Australian context,

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<v Sharon Burrow>the dream is, of course, to own your own home.

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<v Sharon Burrow>And it means that health for yourself, your children,

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<v Sharon Burrow>your ageing parents is available, so you have care.

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<v Sharon Burrow>That's part of what we used to quaintly call

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<v Sharon Burrow>the social wage structure

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<v Sharon Burrow>and is provided for because we pay through our taxes.

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<v Sharon Burrow>And it's a very important thing.

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<v Sharon Burrow>And, of course, education for opportunity.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Now, these very values,

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<v Sharon Burrow>care and opportunity in particular,

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<v Sharon Burrow>health and education,

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<v Sharon Burrow>but many other issues that we would all agree on,

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<v Sharon Burrow>are under threat,

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<v Sharon Burrow>and they're deliberately under threat.

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<v Sharon Burrow>I might also tell Amy that,

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<v Sharon Burrow>just as the people in Silicon Valley, in San Jose,

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<v Sharon Burrow>faced that dreadful kind of divide

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<v Sharon Burrow>where working families couldn't actually get out of poverty,

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<v Sharon Burrow>what's not well known in Australia,

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<v Sharon Burrow>is that 20% of Australia's families living in poverty

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<v Sharon Burrow>are actually working families.

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<v Sharon Burrow>They rely on income as their dominant source of survival.

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<v Sharon Burrow>And I don't think anybody here would have believed

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<v Sharon Burrow>that we would ever see an Australia

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<v Sharon Burrow>that was at least not attempting to be

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<v Sharon Burrow>the egalitarian place we thought it would be,

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<v Sharon Burrow>where people could, in that terribly now old-fashioned

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<v Sharon Burrow>but pretty important view,

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<v Sharon Burrow>of the early wage decisions,

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<v Sharon Burrow>where a minimum wage entitled you to be able to raise a family.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Now, life's changed.

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<v Sharon Burrow>We say the harvest of man is dead

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<v Sharon Burrow>because it ought to be based now on the fact

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<v Sharon Burrow>that women deserve a decent living wage as well.

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<v Sharon Burrow>But you're absolutely right about the issues you raise,

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<v Sharon Burrow>in our view,

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<v Sharon Burrow>and I think we'd find the values are shared internationally.

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<v Sharon Burrow>So I suppose, Amy, if we could summarise,

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<v Sharon Burrow>the living wage outcome, you would say,

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<v Sharon Burrow>was a fundamental value,

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<v Sharon Burrow>and a standard that you managed to achieve in your community.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Affordable housing, I think we'd all have to agree

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<v Sharon Burrow>that that's a big issue in Australia.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Transport, anyone who lives in outer metropolitan

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<v Sharon Burrow>or regional areas will tell you about the problems with transport.

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<v Sharon Burrow>And as for Medicare, well, we know that unless we fight

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<v Sharon Burrow>for Medicare in Australia, we already pay for it twice,

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<v Sharon Burrow>once through the tax system and once through the Medicare levy.

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<v Sharon Burrow>And now...

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<v Sharon Burrow>John Howard, George's friend, wants working families to pay again

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<v Sharon Burrow>at the doctor's doorstep, or to be branded, you know,

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<v Sharon Burrow>poor and can't pay, or pensioner and can't pay,

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<v Sharon Burrow>despite the fact that our pensioners have contributed

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<v Sharon Burrow>to the system of Medicare all of their working lives,

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<v Sharon Burrow>of health care all of their working lives.

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<v Sharon Burrow>So in that context, there's a lot of similarities.

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<v Sharon Burrow>How do we do, and we'd like your comments as well,

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<v Sharon Burrow>how do we do what Amy says, and that is take,

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<v Sharon Burrow>the ambitions of the environment movement,

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<v Sharon Burrow>in fact, the practice of the environment movement,

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<v Sharon Burrow>and act locally to create a global set of values

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<v Sharon Burrow>where we know working families right across the world

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<v Sharon Burrow>can actually enjoy dignity and respect.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Over to you.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Up the back.

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<v Sharon Burrow>What's the uptake rate in the United States

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<v Speaker 3>and how are you expecting that to change?

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<v Sharon Burrow>What's the uptake rate?

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<v Sharon Burrow>You mean the living, let's take one at a time,

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<v Sharon Burrow>the living wage concept?

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<v Sharon Burrow>Okay, so what's the uptake of getting unions back in the business

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<v Sharon Burrow>of working for the workers, Amy,

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<v Sharon Burrow>and what do you think about our chances here?

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<v Amy Dean>I think that we need to democratise our organisations.

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<v Amy Dean>I don't think we can run autocratic, rigid, insular organisations,

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<v Amy Dean>which has been the characteristic traits of how unions

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<v Amy Dean>are being run.

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<v Amy Dean>We have to build organisations that are democratic.

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<v Amy Dean>We have to build organisations that reach out

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<v Amy Dean>and build alliances and ties with the community.

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<v Amy Dean>And we have to build organisations that are flexible.

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<v Amy Dean>We can't continue to operate the way we've done.

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<v Sharon Burrow>We have someone at the mic in the centre.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>All the values you list,

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<v Speaker 4>the values listed,

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<v Speaker 4>that are the expectations of the workers nowadays,

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<v Speaker 4>make a tremendous impact on the environment

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<v Speaker 4>and the unionists expect to be able to buy a four-wheel drive,

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<v Speaker 4>for instance.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, the fuel and the water from the Murray

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<v Speaker 4>and every other factor that's contained in the environment

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<v Speaker 4>is being exported from us under the Liberal government.

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<v Speaker 4>They even pay...

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<v Speaker 4>They export subsidies for dairy products

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<v Speaker 4>to convert the Murray water into milk to export in cheese.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, when do you expect these demands of a population

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<v Speaker 4>to be fully satisfied without further destruction of the environment?

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<v Speaker 4>You put no value on the environmental inputs.

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<v Speaker 4>So, in effect, every job that is being done,

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<v Speaker 4>nowadays, bending metal into useless shapes,

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<v Speaker 4>is further destruction of the environment.

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<v Speaker 4>And in that context, you also have to address the question

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<v Speaker 4>of how many more people do we want to accommodate on,

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<v Speaker 4>or have to accommodate on the planet,

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<v Speaker 4>or in Australia, or feed from Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>And that never appears in the trade unions' account either.

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<v Speaker 4>The exports that go out of Australia,

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<v Speaker 4>the millions of people we feed all around the world,

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<v Speaker 4>are not going to be enough to support the development

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<v Speaker 4>Now, these are major problems which don't seem to be addressed

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<v Speaker 4>by the present trade union movement.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you have any answer to the environmental impact?

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<v Sharon Burrow>So I think at the core of it is what responsibility

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<v Sharon Burrow>the trade unions have for sustainable development.

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<v Amy Dean>I think it's a great question in terms of we think about

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<v Amy Dean>what the next generation of organizations look like

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<v Amy Dean>or what they need to look like.

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<v Amy Dean>We have to ask ourselves the question of where do we want to be as a movement?

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<v Amy Dean>And it's not just about the trade unions.

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<v Amy Dean>It's about growth as a movement,

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<v Amy Dean>which is sort of what the conversation has been about lately.

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<v Amy Dean>But rather, how do we see our organizations playing a role in social policy?

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<v Amy Dean>I think the periods historically when the labor movement was the strongest

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<v Amy Dean>is when it was about something bigger than just the institutional interests of its members,

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<v Amy Dean>but really was about trying to advocate for a social agenda throughout the country.

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<v Amy Dean>And so I would argue that as we debate both in the U.S. and across the world

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<v Amy Dean>what the next generation of unions need to look like,

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<v Amy Dean>both as labor market organizations but also as social and political actors,

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<v Amy Dean>we have to be able to talk about our role in a much broader context

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<v Amy Dean>than just about quantity of life.

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<v Amy Dean>I couldn't agree with you more.

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<v Sharon Burrow>And I think perhaps you might take some heart from the fact that one of the policies

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<v Sharon Burrow>that I've struggled over with other union leaders for our Congress in six weeks

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<v Sharon Burrow>is union activism for sustainable development.

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<v Sharon Burrow>We don't pretend we've got the answers, but we certainly want to work in partnership

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<v Sharon Burrow>with the Australian Conservation Foundation and other groups that do.

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<v Sharon Burrow>So any ideas would be more than welcome.

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<v Sharon Burrow>I think, Gail, I think we've got a lot of time.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Kathy, you're looking for a question.

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<v Sharon Burrow>There are two mics here.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Sorry, Kathy, one over there and one here.

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<v Sharon Burrow>You don't have to come to the mic, but if you'd like to, it does make it a little easier.

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<v Speaker 5>Right. Thanks, Sharon.

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<v Speaker 5>Having been fortunate enough to hear Amy in another context when she addressed a union audience,

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<v Speaker 5>one of the things that I found really inspiring is not only

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<v Speaker 5>about what I call the new politics of unionism, but in fact some of the things

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<v Speaker 5>that you've been doing because I've just been listening to people talking and to the kind

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<v Speaker 5>of questions that have come up from the audiences.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think a lot of people are looking about leads.

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<v Speaker 5>What are the levers?

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<v Speaker 5>What do we do?

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<v Speaker 5>And I feel like what you've done in some of your Union City projects, very practical things,

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<v Speaker 5>give inspiration about how you've gone about doing it in the toughest, well,

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<v Speaker 5>one of the toughest countries in the world to build a labour movement and how, in reality,

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<v Speaker 5>you've started to rebuild communities and build the business.

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<v Speaker 5>But it is very exciting to see how you've driven that vision by your practical work.

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<v Speaker 5>And I realise – I'm just wondering whether it's possible for you to pick up some of the issues

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<v Speaker 5>that we had the good fortune to hear and tell some of the audience here whether it's

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<v Speaker 5>about how you go about endorsing, you know, your relationship with the political parties

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<v Speaker 5>or how you're building community links, how you're building vision.

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<v Speaker 5>Because what I think is so fantastic is not – I think the ideas that Amy presents are very exciting,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's what they've actually been doing on the ground and achieving.

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<v Speaker 5>In other words, they've walked the walk as well as talking the talk.

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<v Speaker 5>And I find that as inspirational as the talk itself.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Well, I think there's a plea for a practical example

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<v Sharon Burrow>of where you think an activity has made a difference.

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<v Amy Dean>I'd be happy to.

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<v Amy Dean>Over the last 10 years, my colleagues and I

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<v Amy Dean>have been really very serious about taking an approach

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<v Amy Dean>to how do we rebuild and reposition the labour movement

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<v Amy Dean>within our region.

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<v Amy Dean>Chief among those priorities was to build really strong,

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<v Amy Dean>reciprocal and durable relationships in the community.

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<v Amy Dean>When you ask people in the region,

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<v Amy Dean>because we do a fair amount of polling,

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<v Amy Dean>do you think the labour movement has too much power or too little power,

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00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:45.140
<v Amy Dean>they will tell you too much power.

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<v Amy Dean>If you ask them if they think working people have too much power

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<v Amy Dean>or too little power, they'll say too little power.

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<v Amy Dean>So what does that suggest?

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<v Amy Dean>That people see the labour movement as an institution outside of themselves

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<v Amy Dean>and not an institution that they are part of and build

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<v Amy Dean>and that they only have ownership.

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<v Amy Dean>We felt it was extremely important to build alliances in the community,

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<v Amy Dean>not for purposes of just using the community when we needed them,

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<v Amy Dean>but because really so that people would begin to understand

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<v Amy Dean>that the success of the labour movement was directly connected

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<v Amy Dean>to the success of all working people.

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<v Amy Dean>At the core of the strategy was something we created several years ago

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<v Amy Dean>called the Labour Community Leadership Institute,

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<v Amy Dean>which is a nine-week program that brings together constituencies

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<v Amy Dean>from across multiple jurisdictions.

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<v Amy Dean>The time to build relationships with the community

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<v Amy Dean>isn't when you're in a fight.

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<v Amy Dean>It's a labour movement.

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<v Amy Dean>The time to build relationships is to think about it long-term.

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<v Amy Dean>And so we started by mapping power within the region.

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<v Amy Dean>We took a look at who has power,

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<v Amy Dean>what are their particular organizational and institutional interests,

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<v Amy Dean>and what would be the ways in which we could diffuse some of that.

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<v Amy Dean>So we targeted a whole group of people

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<v Amy Dean>that we wanted to bring into this institute.

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<v Amy Dean>In addition to building relationships across constituencies,

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<v Amy Dean>the goal was to study together the forces of the regional economy

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<v Amy Dean>and to demystify some of the forces at work,

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<v Amy Dean>to sort of deconstruct,

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<v Amy Dean>to sort of talk for folks that the economy wasn't somehow being ruled

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<v Amy Dean>by physical laws of nature,

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<v Amy Dean>but rather that there were human decisions,

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<v Amy Dean>political decisions that were affecting the way the economy chose to grow.

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<v Amy Dean>And it was very, very empowering because part of what it did

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<v Amy Dean>was not only give us a common understanding,

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<v Amy Dean>but beginning to develop a common language to talk about things.

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<v Amy Dean>At the end of this nine-week class,

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<v Amy Dean>people work together on a community project,

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<v Amy Dean>and they take on different initiatives.

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<v Amy Dean>One initiative that came out of this that's very exciting

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<v Amy Dean>is that we're redefining the way economic development takes place

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<v Amy Dean>in our communities.

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<v Amy Dean>And it's a very important initiative.

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<v Amy Dean>for the people of our region.

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<v Amy Dean>For example, millions and millions of public dollars

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<v Amy Dean>are invested every day by local government

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<v Amy Dean>to grow the economy.

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<v Amy Dean>And rarely do elected officials ever ask themselves,

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<v Amy Dean>to what extent does this have a positive return to us

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<v Amy Dean>in our community.

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<v Amy Dean>Now, elected officials will always justify public investment

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<v Amy Dean>on the basis that it creates jobs

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<v Amy Dean>and that it enhances our tax base.

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<v Amy Dean>But how often do they really know that that's the outcome?

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<v Amy Dean>They really don't.

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<v Amy Dean>And so we came forward with a policy framework

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<v Amy Dean>that says not only do we want these public investments

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<v Amy Dean>to be measured,

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<v Amy Dean>but we also want to make sure that they are measured.

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<v Amy Dean>But then we also want the outcome,

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<v Amy Dean>the project,

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<v Amy Dean>to be modified to meet certain community benefits.

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<v Amy Dean>And we developed a set of indices

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<v Amy Dean>in terms of the kinds of benefits we want return on.

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<v Amy Dean>One is the type of jobs.

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<v Amy Dean>We took the living wage standard that we created

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<v Amy Dean>through local government

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<v Amy Dean>and applied it to public investment projects.

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<v Amy Dean>Housing, affordable housing,

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<v Amy Dean>there are a set of requirements

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<v Amy Dean>for what percentage of housing has to go for affordable.

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<v Amy Dean>There's requirements on what kind of open space

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<v Amy Dean>and environmental requirements there are

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<v Amy Dean>if it's being built in the urban core.

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<v Amy Dean>And so we have a series of things

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<v Amy Dean>that government looks at now

833
00:46:34.620 --> 00:46:36.660
<v Amy Dean>as a result of making that public investment

834
00:46:36.660 --> 00:46:38.640
<v Amy Dean>and then redefines or alters the project.

835
00:46:39.080 --> 00:46:41.940
<v Amy Dean>What's significant about this public policy

836
00:46:41.940 --> 00:46:45.140
<v Amy Dean>is that it came out from people coming together and studying.

837
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:47.880
<v Amy Dean>We deliberately have been building an organization

838
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:50.180
<v Amy Dean>in Silicon Valley that marries the capacities

839
00:46:50.180 --> 00:46:52.120
<v Amy Dean>of policy and research on one hand

840
00:46:52.120 --> 00:46:54.260
<v Amy Dean>and activism and organizing on the other.

841
00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:57.600
<v Amy Dean>I believe the next generation of social change organizations

842
00:46:57.680 --> 00:46:59.160
<v Amy Dean>can't divorce those capacities.

843
00:46:59.640 --> 00:47:02.200
<v Amy Dean>We can't have people in one sector of the community

844
00:47:02.200 --> 00:47:03.260
<v Amy Dean>doing the heavy thinking

845
00:47:03.260 --> 00:47:05.340
<v Amy Dean>while the rest of us are doing the heavy lifting.

846
00:47:05.500 --> 00:47:07.000
<v Amy Dean>We have to be able to merge those things together.

847
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:08.980
<v Amy Dean>And by bringing people together

848
00:47:08.980 --> 00:47:10.900
<v Amy Dean>to understand and deconstruct the forces

849
00:47:10.900 --> 00:47:12.360
<v Amy Dean>that affect their lives every day,

850
00:47:12.500 --> 00:47:13.860
<v Amy Dean>people come up with brilliant suggestions.

851
00:47:14.240 --> 00:47:15.740
<v Amy Dean>I mean, I'm ultimately an optimist.

852
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:16.920
<v Amy Dean>And let me just say,

853
00:47:17.040 --> 00:47:19.680
<v Amy Dean>the theme of this is hope and fear.

854
00:47:20.060 --> 00:47:22.080
<v Amy Dean>There's lots of fear, no question about it.

855
00:47:22.140 --> 00:47:24.500
<v Amy Dean>But I'm always, always reminded

856
00:47:24.500 --> 00:47:27.200
<v Amy Dean>what the potential is when people come together.

857
00:47:27.200 --> 00:47:28.820
<v Amy Dean>And are able to come up with solutions.

858
00:47:29.240 --> 00:47:31.500
<v Amy Dean>Not only is this impacting,

859
00:47:31.740 --> 00:47:32.780
<v Amy Dean>this public policy impacting

860
00:47:32.780 --> 00:47:34.980
<v Amy Dean>the way our economy grows in the region,

861
00:47:35.180 --> 00:47:37.160
<v Amy Dean>and it's still to a very small scale.

862
00:47:37.300 --> 00:47:38.840
<v Amy Dean>I mean, this is all still at the very beginning.

863
00:47:39.220 --> 00:47:42.240
<v Amy Dean>I don't want to say that there's some utopia growing there.

864
00:47:42.320 --> 00:47:43.960
<v Amy Dean>But the point here is that

865
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:47.600
<v Amy Dean>there has been nothing on either side of the political aisle

866
00:47:47.600 --> 00:47:50.000
<v Amy Dean>defining what is the role of government these days.

867
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:52.160
<v Amy Dean>I mean, the only difference in the U.S.

868
00:47:52.160 --> 00:47:53.480
<v Amy Dean>between each political party

869
00:47:53.480 --> 00:47:54.740
<v Amy Dean>in terms of the role of government

870
00:47:54.740 --> 00:47:56.940
<v Amy Dean>is that there's a consensus that government's role

871
00:47:56.940 --> 00:47:58.420
<v Amy Dean>is to be one of fiscal manager.

872
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:00.840
<v Amy Dean>The difference between Republicans and Democrats

873
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:02.440
<v Amy Dean>is one of degree, not substance.

874
00:48:03.240 --> 00:48:05.340
<v Amy Dean>And in addition to this strategy,

875
00:48:06.060 --> 00:48:08.640
<v Amy Dean>developing common language across constituencies,

876
00:48:09.180 --> 00:48:10.940
<v Amy Dean>advocating for different kinds of policies

877
00:48:10.940 --> 00:48:12.440
<v Amy Dean>because we bring people together

878
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:14.200
<v Amy Dean>to talk about the way the world ought to operate,

879
00:48:14.420 --> 00:48:16.260
<v Amy Dean>but also redefining the role of government,

880
00:48:16.900 --> 00:48:18.040
<v Amy Dean>something so important.

881
00:48:18.180 --> 00:48:20.360
<v Amy Dean>And so that's sort of a long-winded way

882
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:21.800
<v Amy Dean>of giving a sort of snapshot

883
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:23.180
<v Amy Dean>of some of the work that we're doing.

884
00:48:23.300 --> 00:48:25.460
<v Amy Dean>But again, this point of building organizations

885
00:48:25.460 --> 00:48:28.100
<v Amy Dean>that marry multiple capacities at the regional level,

886
00:48:28.180 --> 00:48:29.440
<v Amy Dean>I really believe is so important

887
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:31.440
<v Amy Dean>that people are going to take back their communities

888
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:33.500
<v Amy Dean>and make them work for working families.

889
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:36.060
<v Sharon Burrow>We've got someone in the middle here

890
00:48:36.060 --> 00:48:38.780
<v Sharon Burrow>and then up the back left-hand corner.

891
00:48:39.100 --> 00:48:41.240
<v Speaker 6>Just briefly, Amy, thank you very much.

892
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:43.380
<v Speaker 6>Your contribution is worthwhile and terrific.

893
00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:47.840
<v Speaker 6>You've also stolen my question

894
00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:50.100
<v Speaker 6>in that you've answered it in those last few comments,

895
00:48:50.180 --> 00:48:51.080
<v Speaker 6>but it goes like this.

896
00:48:52.140 --> 00:48:55.300
<v Speaker 6>Inclusion includes all those that are unemployed,

897
00:48:55.460 --> 00:48:56.820
<v Speaker 6>as well as those employed,

898
00:48:57.080 --> 00:48:59.460
<v Speaker 6>and people like ourselves who are retired.

899
00:48:59.700 --> 00:49:01.000
<v Speaker 6>We'd like to make a contribution,

900
00:49:01.260 --> 00:49:04.460
<v Speaker 6>and I would suggest a major force for your endeavors

901
00:49:05.060 --> 00:49:06.620
<v Speaker 6>would come from volunteer work

902
00:49:06.620 --> 00:49:08.680
<v Speaker 6>and for the union movement

903
00:49:08.680 --> 00:49:13.520
<v Speaker 6>to take up that broader aspect of society needs.

904
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:14.720
<v Speaker 6>Well done. Thank you.

905
00:49:15.700 --> 00:49:17.320
<v Sharon Burrow>And I can tell you,

906
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:20.640
<v Sharon Burrow>our best campaigners for Medicare around the place

907
00:49:20.640 --> 00:49:22.940
<v Sharon Burrow>are actually the retired unionists at the moment

908
00:49:22.940 --> 00:49:25.380
<v Sharon Burrow>in many communities throughout New South Wales,

909
00:49:25.460 --> 00:49:28.460
<v Sharon Burrow>Queensland, certainly I know, and I'm sure here as well.

910
00:49:28.560 --> 00:49:29.820
<v Sharon Burrow>So I endorse that absolutely,

911
00:49:30.080 --> 00:49:32.300
<v Sharon Burrow>because given the time demands

912
00:49:32.300 --> 00:49:34.940
<v Sharon Burrow>on people in employment with families,

913
00:49:35.060 --> 00:49:37.620
<v Sharon Burrow>we need the wisdom and the energy of older Australians.

914
00:49:38.080 --> 00:49:38.880
<v Sharon Burrow>Up the back.

915
00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:42.040
<v Speaker 3>Yes. I'd like to ask you...

916
00:49:42.040 --> 00:49:42.480
<v Speaker 3>Can you hear me?

917
00:49:43.580 --> 00:49:44.480
<v Amy Dean>Can you hear me?

918
00:49:44.620 --> 00:49:45.800
<v Amy Dean>If you could use a mic, it'd be great,

919
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:48.060
<v Amy Dean>because I don't hear... I only hear out of one ear.

920
00:49:48.540 --> 00:49:50.060
<v Sharon Burrow>I couldn't even understand it.

921
00:49:51.260 --> 00:49:52.100
<v Speaker 7>I apologize.

922
00:49:52.180 --> 00:49:54.560
<v Speaker 7>I'd like to ask a question not about Australia

923
00:49:54.560 --> 00:49:56.800
<v Speaker 7>but about American politics, because you're an American.

924
00:49:57.580 --> 00:49:58.920
<v Speaker 7>I was very conscious,

925
00:49:59.960 --> 00:50:03.220
<v Speaker 7>having an interest in your last presidential election,

926
00:50:03.560 --> 00:50:06.220
<v Speaker 7>of the stick which Ralph Nader took,

927
00:50:06.500 --> 00:50:09.160
<v Speaker 7>in that if Ralph Nader had not stood,

928
00:50:09.420 --> 00:50:12.760
<v Speaker 7>it suggested that there would have been a very different outcome

929
00:50:13.560 --> 00:50:17.720
<v Speaker 7>in terms of the incumbent in the White House currently.

930
00:50:18.040 --> 00:50:19.700
<v Speaker 7>So my first question is this.

931
00:50:20.160 --> 00:50:24.420
<v Speaker 7>What steps is the Labour movement taking

932
00:50:24.560 --> 00:50:30.000
<v Speaker 7>in America to ensure that there is not a division

933
00:50:30.560 --> 00:50:35.020
<v Speaker 7>of the, I quote, unquote, the progressive radical vote?

934
00:50:35.340 --> 00:50:37.480
<v Speaker 7>My second question is this.

935
00:50:37.720 --> 00:50:40.480
<v Speaker 7>I'm very conscious, as I hope we're all conscious,

936
00:50:40.640 --> 00:50:44.700
<v Speaker 7>that Bush frauded the election through the legal procedure

937
00:50:44.700 --> 00:50:48.220
<v Speaker 7>which he was able to manipulate right up to the High Court.

938
00:50:48.420 --> 00:50:52.780
<v Speaker 7>And I'm conscious, of course, that electoral procedures in America

939
00:50:52.780 --> 00:50:54.540
<v Speaker 7>differ throughout the country.

940
00:50:54.560 --> 00:50:58.940
<v Speaker 7>But every state, every state has an individual election law.

941
00:50:59.220 --> 00:51:04.160
<v Speaker 7>And I must confess, if I was active in the Labour movement in America,

942
00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:08.100
<v Speaker 7>I will be monitoring very closely the effectiveness

943
00:51:08.100 --> 00:51:11.760
<v Speaker 7>and the transparency of the electoral procedure

944
00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:15.560
<v Speaker 7>which my state operated, and particularly if I was in Florida.

945
00:51:15.780 --> 00:51:17.640
<v Speaker 7>So my second question is this.

946
00:51:17.740 --> 00:51:22.900
<v Speaker 7>To what extent is the Labour movement in the United States interesting

947
00:51:22.900 --> 00:51:26.360
<v Speaker 7>and involving itself in campaigning on ensuring

948
00:51:26.900 --> 00:51:29.560
<v Speaker 7>that we don't have another Florida next time?

949
00:51:29.680 --> 00:51:30.020
<v Speaker 7>Thank you.

950
00:51:30.040 --> 00:51:30.400
<v Amy Dean>Great question.

951
00:51:30.580 --> 00:51:33.920
<v Amy Dean>I would say that one of the things that is exciting about John Sweeney's leadership,

952
00:51:34.680 --> 00:51:37.920
<v Amy Dean>in many ways, I think John Sweeney, as many of you know,

953
00:51:38.020 --> 00:51:41.480
<v Amy Dean>was elected in 1995 to head the AFL-CIO,

954
00:51:41.680 --> 00:51:43.640
<v Amy Dean>the peak union body in the United States,

955
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:47.800
<v Amy Dean>in the first contested election in the history of that body.

956
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:52.800
<v Amy Dean>In many respects, what I think is sad about his leadership

957
00:51:52.900 --> 00:51:55.540
<v Amy Dean>is that I think he will go down in history as a transitional leader

958
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:59.800
<v Amy Dean>because it's virtually impossible for somebody to turn around a ship

959
00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:02.740
<v Amy Dean>in one term, in one lifetime.

960
00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:06.760
<v Amy Dean>I think he creates the political space and will for the next generation of leaders.

961
00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:10.040
<v Amy Dean>I don't think he'll ultimately get the credit, and it's sort of disappointing.

962
00:52:10.460 --> 00:52:12.800
<v Amy Dean>But he has put a whole series of things in place,

963
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:17.000
<v Amy Dean>and I would say chief among them is the way he's rebuilding political activism

964
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:18.020
<v Amy Dean>across the country.

965
00:52:18.240 --> 00:52:22.080
<v Amy Dean>The strategy for the Labour movement for so many years with political action

966
00:52:22.080 --> 00:52:26.180
<v Amy Dean>was to take our political dollars and simply write checks to candidates

967
00:52:26.180 --> 00:52:29.140
<v Amy Dean>and sort of invite them into our local union hall

968
00:52:29.140 --> 00:52:32.180
<v Amy Dean>and hand them a check and snap a photo and put it in the union newsletter.

969
00:52:32.520 --> 00:52:35.220
<v Amy Dean>And increasingly, people see that our needs aren't being met.

970
00:52:35.580 --> 00:52:37.780
<v Amy Dean>And one of the things that he's worked hard to do,

971
00:52:37.860 --> 00:52:41.220
<v Amy Dean>and it's been part of the strategy of rebuilding the Labour movement at the regional level,

972
00:52:41.380 --> 00:52:45.340
<v Amy Dean>is to really rebuild our activism and our grassroots mobilization capacity

973
00:52:45.340 --> 00:52:48.500
<v Amy Dean>to once again go door to door and move lots of people to the polls.

974
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:52.060
<v Amy Dean>Increasingly, what we're doing is not funneling our people

975
00:52:52.080 --> 00:52:53.760
<v Amy Dean>and our resources into the political parties.

976
00:52:54.500 --> 00:52:57.080
<v Amy Dean>Increasingly, what we're doing is we're building our own political apparatus

977
00:52:57.080 --> 00:52:58.280
<v Amy Dean>and running our own people.

978
00:52:58.580 --> 00:53:00.720
<v Amy Dean>And we're at the very beginning of that,

979
00:53:00.800 --> 00:53:04.580
<v Amy Dean>so I can't say that we can measure quantifiably that's transforming American politics,

980
00:53:04.720 --> 00:53:05.180
<v Amy Dean>but it's beginning.

981
00:53:05.720 --> 00:53:09.060
<v Amy Dean>And I think that begins to change the relationship between the Labour movement

982
00:53:09.060 --> 00:53:12.860
<v Amy Dean>and the Democratic Party, one that we feel we've been taking way too much for granted,

983
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:15.780
<v Amy Dean>and we can't continue to make that investment.

984
00:53:16.060 --> 00:53:19.460
<v Amy Dean>At the same time, we don't have a parliamentary system of government in the United States.

985
00:53:19.520 --> 00:53:22.060
<v Amy Dean>It's a two-party system, and it will always be a two-party system.

986
00:53:22.080 --> 00:53:24.080
<v Amy Dean>At least in my lifetime, it will be.

987
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:28.220
<v Amy Dean>And so to do what Ralph Nader did, I take the opinion,

988
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:30.200
<v Amy Dean>and I'm sure this will be controversial in this crowd,

989
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:33.240
<v Amy Dean>that it was not something that benefited our movement.

990
00:53:33.460 --> 00:53:37.280
<v Amy Dean>It didn't benefit our movement because it was very, I think, very much an elitist move,

991
00:53:38.020 --> 00:53:40.420
<v Amy Dean>because so much was at stake for working people,

992
00:53:41.220 --> 00:53:45.480
<v Amy Dean>because there was an alternative, I think a significant alternative, to George Bush.

993
00:53:45.560 --> 00:53:48.860
<v Amy Dean>So I would say that rebuilding our own political apparatus,

994
00:53:49.700 --> 00:53:52.060
<v Amy Dean>not funneling our resources into politics,

995
00:53:52.080 --> 00:53:56.580
<v Amy Dean>to the party, is a strategy, not building a third candidate.

996
00:53:57.020 --> 00:53:59.540
<v Amy Dean>We can't. We don't have a parliamentary system of government.

997
00:53:59.860 --> 00:54:03.900
<v Amy Dean>There's one tool in American electoral politics that's possible.

998
00:54:03.980 --> 00:54:05.140
<v Amy Dean>It's called fusion voting.

999
00:54:05.520 --> 00:54:09.080
<v Amy Dean>And you can make the laws work for you state by state,

1000
00:54:09.180 --> 00:54:12.360
<v Amy Dean>where you go in and say you can run a candidate,

1001
00:54:12.620 --> 00:54:16.460
<v Amy Dean>you can run, in this case, we could have run Al Gore on a ticket called New Party.

1002
00:54:16.660 --> 00:54:20.820
<v Amy Dean>So you could vote for Al Gore, not as a Democrat, but as New Party,

1003
00:54:20.820 --> 00:54:22.900
<v Amy Dean>and New Party allegedly stands for something different.

1004
00:54:23.220 --> 00:54:27.440
<v Amy Dean>So I think the most promising reform in the U.S. context is fusion voting

1005
00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:31.160
<v Amy Dean>and other kinds of electoral schemes, but not third party schemes,

1006
00:54:31.420 --> 00:54:34.120
<v Amy Dean>given our system of two-party government.

1007
00:54:34.900 --> 00:54:40.000
<v Amy Dean>So that's just my position, and I'm sure people will have lots to say about that.

1008
00:54:40.500 --> 00:54:44.420
<v Amy Dean>The second point on transparency, but for the American labor movement,

1009
00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:47.740
<v Amy Dean>when Florida was taking place, there would have been no people out on the streets

1010
00:54:47.740 --> 00:54:49.440
<v Amy Dean>monitoring how those votes were being counted.

1011
00:54:49.980 --> 00:54:54.480
<v Amy Dean>We literally mobilized hundreds of people when all this was going on.

1012
00:54:54.600 --> 00:54:56.460
<v Amy Dean>Obviously, decisions were made in the courts.

1013
00:54:56.780 --> 00:54:59.560
<v Amy Dean>But in terms of there being people out on the street

1014
00:54:59.560 --> 00:55:04.060
<v Amy Dean>and being in every single precinct in Florida, that was the American labor movement.

1015
00:55:05.140 --> 00:55:07.460
<v Amy Dean>So in terms of where do we go here and into the future,

1016
00:55:08.460 --> 00:55:12.440
<v Amy Dean>we know that we've got to be able to do more in these next elections than we have been

1017
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:15.960
<v Amy Dean>in terms of being out at the polls and putting a lot more folks on the streets

1018
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:19.100
<v Amy Dean>so that we can make sure that folks aren't being prevented from voting.

1019
00:55:19.100 --> 00:55:23.280
<v Amy Dean>And that's something that has been part of our work, will continue to be,

1020
00:55:23.340 --> 00:55:25.040
<v Amy Dean>and it's actually something that we do well.

1021
00:55:25.220 --> 00:55:27.800
<v Amy Dean>And I think it's one of the best things that John Sweeney has done,

1022
00:55:27.860 --> 00:55:30.940
<v Amy Dean>which is really remobilized our political action efforts across the country.

1023
00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:36.220
<v Sharon Burrow>One of the most exciting things, Amy's right, is to have seen the celebration last November

1024
00:55:36.220 --> 00:55:41.080
<v Sharon Burrow>when I was lucky enough to be with the American labor leadership at their congress.

1025
00:55:41.520 --> 00:55:48.280
<v Sharon Burrow>And they celebrated 2000 for 2002, which was 2000 labor candidates

1026
00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:49.080
<v Sharon Burrow>at all levels of the country.

1027
00:55:49.100 --> 00:55:51.300
<v Sharon Burrow>All levels of the political spectrum right across the country.

1028
00:55:51.620 --> 00:55:56.320
<v Sharon Burrow>So they are taking a view, I think somebody said earlier that politicians have to find their courage.

1029
00:55:56.620 --> 00:56:00.600
<v Sharon Burrow>Well the labor movement there is taking a view that you don't just get someone into politics.

1030
00:56:00.860 --> 00:56:03.720
<v Sharon Burrow>You actually then expect them to continue to work with you,

1031
00:56:03.740 --> 00:56:09.600
<v Sharon Burrow>to take the organizing agenda into the forums in which they represent working people

1032
00:56:09.600 --> 00:56:12.340
<v Sharon Burrow>and that it's not a kind of stop-start environment.

1033
00:56:12.700 --> 00:56:16.360
<v Sharon Burrow>The interaction continues and they expect their politicians to come back

1034
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:18.480
<v Sharon Burrow>and to listen to the ideas,

1035
00:56:19.100 --> 00:56:21.940
<v Sharon Burrow>the issues, the lives of working people in story

1036
00:56:21.940 --> 00:56:28.300
<v Sharon Burrow>so that they can formulate ideas that will become public policy and legislative outcome one would hope.

1037
00:56:28.420 --> 00:56:32.960
<v Sharon Burrow>So, and I think the target is now 5000 for 2005, is that right Amy?

1038
00:56:33.060 --> 00:56:38.000
<v Sharon Burrow>So we've got a little bit to learn I think about putting some more demands on our politicians,

1039
00:56:38.140 --> 00:56:42.120
<v Sharon Burrow>generally as a community, around community values and ideas.

1040
00:56:43.140 --> 00:56:44.400
<v Sharon Burrow>At the mic, yes.

1041
00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:49.080
<v Speaker 8>A few years ago I waded through the news.

1042
00:56:49.080 --> 00:56:53.580
<v Speaker 8>I read the 72 pages of the mutual obligation paper that the federal government brought out

1043
00:56:53.580 --> 00:57:03.440
<v Speaker 8>and I just wonder if it's a good thing that the governments can blame the unemployed for not finding jobs,

1044
00:57:03.820 --> 00:57:05.960
<v Speaker 8>which is almost what the 72 pages said,

1045
00:57:07.080 --> 00:57:11.620
<v Speaker 8>but businesses are allowed to announce so many million dollar profit one week

1046
00:57:11.620 --> 00:57:14.220
<v Speaker 8>and then sack two or three hundred people the next.

1047
00:57:14.680 --> 00:57:16.600
<v Speaker 8>Where's the mutual obligation in that?

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00:57:17.580 --> 00:57:19.060
<v Sharon Burrow>Amy, mutual obligation is not a good thing.

1049
00:57:19.060 --> 00:57:23.600
<v Sharon Burrow>Mutual obligation is a term that's used by governments to say you can have unemployment benefits,

1050
00:57:23.860 --> 00:57:28.240
<v Sharon Burrow>which frankly don't support any family out of poverty,

1051
00:57:28.940 --> 00:57:30.820
<v Sharon Burrow>only if you do certain things.

1052
00:57:31.020 --> 00:57:35.060
<v Sharon Burrow>You have to, for example, register as a person seeking a job.

1053
00:57:35.100 --> 00:57:36.300
<v Sharon Burrow>You have to fill out job diaries.

1054
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:37.660
<v Sharon Burrow>You have to do a whole range of things.

1055
00:57:37.780 --> 00:57:42.820
<v Sharon Burrow>And the penalties, people can be breached or in other words penalised,

1056
00:57:42.820 --> 00:57:47.020
<v Sharon Burrow>taken off unemployment benefits or some sort of financial penalty

1057
00:57:47.020 --> 00:57:47.460
<v Sharon Burrow>for,

1058
00:57:49.060 --> 00:57:51.020
<v Sharon Burrow>things that are not within their control,

1059
00:57:51.120 --> 00:57:54.140
<v Sharon Burrow>like the lack of money to take a train to a job interview.

1060
00:57:54.440 --> 00:58:02.120
<v Sharon Burrow>So it's a very harsh punitive regime rather than something that is about genuine support from welfare to work.

1061
00:58:02.700 --> 00:58:05.100
<v Amy Dean>I don't know if I'm not directly answering your question.

1062
00:58:05.200 --> 00:58:05.940
<v Amy Dean>Please push back.

1063
00:58:06.120 --> 00:58:08.360
<v Amy Dean>But the unemployment system in the US has got,

1064
00:58:08.420 --> 00:58:09.480
<v Amy Dean>it's huge problems.

1065
00:58:10.180 --> 00:58:14.560
<v Amy Dean>Increasingly, if you look at what happened to the economy in this last downturn after 9-11

1066
00:58:14.560 --> 00:58:17.160
<v Amy Dean>where the service economy was so obliterated,

1067
00:58:17.300 --> 00:58:18.960
<v Amy Dean>people stopped travelling,

1068
00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:22.140
<v Amy Dean>travelling throughout the US and the economy really in the service sectors was affected.

1069
00:58:23.080 --> 00:58:28.440
<v Amy Dean>We saw for the first time huge numbers of people who worked every day of their week

1070
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:30.760
<v Amy Dean>not covered under the unemployment insurance system.

1071
00:58:31.040 --> 00:58:33.520
<v Amy Dean>And as the employment contract is redefined,

1072
00:58:33.540 --> 00:58:36.920
<v Amy Dean>as people work more and more on a part-time temporary basis,

1073
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:41.440
<v Amy Dean>the 20% of working poor you talked about here in Australia,

1074
00:58:41.520 --> 00:58:45.680
<v Amy Dean>the same situation in the US which is we have a set of social arrangements

1075
00:58:45.680 --> 00:58:48.380
<v Amy Dean>that no longer meet people's needs because they work differently.

1076
00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:52.580
<v Amy Dean>We define so much of social policy during an era where people worked

1077
00:58:52.580 --> 00:58:55.440
<v Amy Dean>and had a permanent fixed relationship to their employer

1078
00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:56.640
<v Amy Dean>and we know that's not the case anymore.

1079
00:58:56.980 --> 00:58:59.880
<v Amy Dean>So the problem of unemployment insurance is a huge problem

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00:58:59.880 --> 00:59:05.840
<v Amy Dean>beyond just whether it's not meeting people's needs because the workforce is changing

1081
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:07.740
<v Amy Dean>but also it needs to be a workforce development system.

1082
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:11.960
<v Amy Dean>It was designed in a period where people got discontinued

1083
00:59:12.580 --> 00:59:15.220
<v Amy Dean>or disconnected from employment for short periods of time.

1084
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:18.760
<v Amy Dean>It was never designed for a period where people moved in and out of employment,

1085
00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:20.380
<v Amy Dean>maybe a dozen times over their lifetime.

1086
00:59:20.740 --> 00:59:23.380
<v Amy Dean>And so the problems with unemployment insurance are huge

1087
00:59:23.380 --> 00:59:28.540
<v Amy Dean>and we need to be able to redefine coverage for the growing numbers of non-standard folks

1088
00:59:28.540 --> 00:59:31.720
<v Amy Dean>and we need to marry our workforce development system to unemployment insurance

1089
00:59:31.720 --> 00:59:35.800
<v Amy Dean>and not have them be two separate sets of social policy.

1090
00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:40.020
<v Amy Dean>So I would say that is a huge area for social policy that people are beginning to discuss

1091
00:59:40.020 --> 00:59:43.340
<v Amy Dean>and talk about in the US that I think we'll see lots of reforms in the future.

1092
00:59:43.580 --> 00:59:47.900
<v Sharon Burrow>And our sister's right, Amy, that the issue of corporate profits,

1093
00:59:47.900 --> 00:59:49.900
<v Sharon Burrow>the gap between...

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00:59:50.680 --> 00:59:53.500
<v Speaker 8>That seems to be the most important thing, that the profits are there.

1095
00:59:53.700 --> 00:59:54.060
<v Sharon Burrow>Yeah.

1096
00:59:54.220 --> 00:59:55.660
<v Sharon Burrow>To hell with the people type of thing.

1097
00:59:55.860 --> 01:00:01.940
<v Sharon Burrow>The gap between wages and profits has grown like a set of alligator jaws opening in Australia

1098
01:00:01.940 --> 01:00:07.800
<v Sharon Burrow>and not only are they making huge profits and not paying decent wages in lots of areas

1099
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:09.880
<v Sharon Burrow>but they're also doing what our sister's just said

1100
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:14.380
<v Sharon Burrow>and actually you can drive up shareholder value on top of a big profit margin

1101
01:00:14.380 --> 01:00:16.580
<v Sharon Burrow>by simply downsizing the workforce.

1102
01:00:16.860 --> 01:00:17.880
<v Sharon Burrow>And so that's huge.

1103
01:00:17.900 --> 01:00:19.920
<v Sharon Burrow>And that sense of community obligation you talked about

1104
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:23.540
<v Sharon Burrow>because a lot of these companies get what I would call corporate welfare,

1105
01:00:23.720 --> 01:00:25.360
<v Sharon Burrow>often endorsed by the labour movement,

1106
01:00:25.500 --> 01:00:31.420
<v Sharon Burrow>but all too often our voice isn't heard about what the reciprocal responsibilities are,

1107
01:00:31.500 --> 01:00:33.000
<v Sharon Burrow>some of which are about job security.

1108
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:36.100
<v Amy Dean>Let me take another crack at what you're saying.

1109
01:00:36.160 --> 01:00:37.180
<v Amy Dean>I understand your question.

1110
01:00:37.520 --> 01:00:41.180
<v Amy Dean>I mean this whole issue of the de-linking between corporate success

1111
01:00:41.180 --> 01:00:43.620
<v Amy Dean>and the well-being of communities and families is...

1112
01:00:43.620 --> 01:00:44.240
<v Amy Dean>It's unprecedented.

1113
01:00:44.240 --> 01:00:48.100
<v Amy Dean>We see all sorts of traditional measures of the economy

1114
01:00:48.100 --> 01:00:50.040
<v Amy Dean>suggesting that the economy is on an upswing

1115
01:00:50.040 --> 01:00:53.360
<v Amy Dean>as the rest of our communities and working families are doing poor and poorer.

1116
01:00:53.600 --> 01:00:58.820
<v Amy Dean>That de-linking or disconnection between the health of industry and the health of communities

1117
01:00:58.820 --> 01:01:04.160
<v Amy Dean>is a function of the decline and the influence of the public sector and people-based institutions.

1118
01:01:04.880 --> 01:01:09.840
<v Amy Dean>And so the response to that is we have to be able to rebuild people's based institutions.

1119
01:01:10.040 --> 01:01:13.140
<v Amy Dean>We need to rebuild the public sector so we have countervailing influence.

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01:01:13.140 --> 01:01:15.180
<v Amy Dean>From the labour movement's perspective,

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01:01:15.340 --> 01:01:19.000
<v Amy Dean>the only way we get to do that is if we reform the laws in the US.

1122
01:01:19.260 --> 01:01:21.440
<v Amy Dean>And the only way we're going to get to reform the laws in the US

1123
01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:25.380
<v Amy Dean>is if we build a public, broad-based constituency for the labour movement.

1124
01:01:25.600 --> 01:01:28.460
<v Amy Dean>No one's going to come to the side of the labour movement to reform labour laws

1125
01:01:29.060 --> 01:01:31.740
<v Amy Dean>if it's simply about the institutional interests of the labour movement.

1126
01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:36.140
<v Amy Dean>If we can't redefine a broad-based constituency of people that share our agenda,

1127
01:01:36.980 --> 01:01:37.800
<v Amy Dean>then we'll never rebuild.

1128
01:01:38.040 --> 01:01:41.240
<v Amy Dean>And so I would say what's happening with this huge disconnect

1129
01:01:42.140 --> 01:01:43.120
<v Amy Dean>is a constant decline.

1130
01:01:43.140 --> 01:01:45.120
<v Amy Dean>The consequence of the failure of public institutions,

1131
01:01:45.240 --> 01:01:46.480
<v Amy Dean>the decline of the labour movement,

1132
01:01:46.620 --> 01:01:48.100
<v Amy Dean>and we have to rebuild those institutions,

1133
01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:50.200
<v Amy Dean>but we have to rebuild them in a different way.

1134
01:01:50.620 --> 01:01:52.720
<v Amy Dean>We need to rebuild them to look differently

1135
01:01:52.720 --> 01:01:54.900
<v Amy Dean>than they looked like for an industrial era.

1136
01:01:55.300 --> 01:01:58.320
<v Speaker 8>My definition of mutual is every side.

1137
01:01:58.560 --> 01:01:59.000
<v Speaker 8>Yes.

1138
01:01:59.140 --> 01:02:00.160
<v Speaker 8>Not just one side.

1139
01:02:00.640 --> 01:02:01.120
<v Speaker 8>Here, here.

1140
01:02:01.520 --> 01:02:05.220
<v Sharon Burrow>And can I tell Amy that there's a scandal in Australia right now

1141
01:02:05.220 --> 01:02:09.220
<v Sharon Burrow>where having privatised the job support network

1142
01:02:09.220 --> 01:02:11.320
<v Sharon Burrow>that used to be a public service,

1143
01:02:11.560 --> 01:02:13.120
<v Sharon Burrow>the government now has to do something about it.

1144
01:02:13.140 --> 01:02:15.160
<v Sharon Burrow>It has to bail it out to the tune of $30 million.

1145
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:17.660
<v Sharon Burrow>So we make it a for-profit sector in the main.

1146
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:19.380
<v Sharon Burrow>There are some not-for-profits.

1147
01:02:19.520 --> 01:02:22.340
<v Sharon Burrow>We privatise it, allow it to make profit from public money.

1148
01:02:22.540 --> 01:02:25.520
<v Sharon Burrow>Now it's collapsing around the government's ears.

1149
01:02:25.560 --> 01:02:26.220
<v Sharon Burrow>What are they going to do?

1150
01:02:26.260 --> 01:02:27.620
<v Sharon Burrow>Bail it out with more of our money

1151
01:02:27.620 --> 01:02:30.740
<v Sharon Burrow>rather than reiterating the rights to public service.

1152
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:32.100
<v Sharon Burrow>Now I saw somebody's...

1153
01:02:32.100 --> 01:02:33.360
<v Sharon Burrow>Sorry, I'm very blind.

1154
01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:33.880
<v Sharon Burrow>Over here.

1155
01:02:38.540 --> 01:02:41.860
<v Speaker 9>Amy, thanks very much for your report on the American situation.

1156
01:02:41.860 --> 01:02:47.400
<v Speaker 9>I was lucky enough to be in the West Coast of America in 1998

1157
01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:50.680
<v Speaker 9>and studied some of the things that you were talking about.

1158
01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:53.240
<v Speaker 9>And I thought maybe it might be of interest to the audience

1159
01:02:53.240 --> 01:02:58.980
<v Speaker 9>if you could talk a little bit about how in your areas and some others

1160
01:02:58.980 --> 01:03:01.260
<v Speaker 9>the Labor Councils have been revitalised

1161
01:03:01.260 --> 01:03:04.060
<v Speaker 9>in terms of their own structures and the meetings

1162
01:03:04.060 --> 01:03:07.700
<v Speaker 9>and how they in fact change from what was probably

1163
01:03:07.700 --> 01:03:10.940
<v Speaker 9>a more ossified type of union meeting and council meeting.

1164
01:03:10.940 --> 01:03:12.780
<v Speaker 9>I'm thinking of the sort of stuff that's happening in Seattle

1165
01:03:12.780 --> 01:03:16.620
<v Speaker 9>that I was aware of and presumably in your area too.

1166
01:03:16.700 --> 01:03:19.680
<v Speaker 9>Could you give people a bit of an idea of the cultural change

1167
01:03:19.680 --> 01:03:22.420
<v Speaker 9>in terms of the union meetings and so forth

1168
01:03:22.420 --> 01:03:24.220
<v Speaker 9>that's part of this transformation?

1169
01:03:24.720 --> 01:03:25.440
<v Amy Dean>I'd be happy to.

1170
01:03:25.560 --> 01:03:26.480
<v Amy Dean>It's really exciting.

1171
01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:30.800
<v Amy Dean>What the gentleman refers to is really the revitalisation of labour

1172
01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:33.040
<v Amy Dean>at the regional level through these central bodies,

1173
01:03:33.200 --> 01:03:36.240
<v Amy Dean>regional federations that are made up of networks

1174
01:03:36.240 --> 01:03:38.940
<v Amy Dean>or coalitions of unions at the regional level,

1175
01:03:39.040 --> 01:03:40.920
<v Amy Dean>not unlike the Labor Councils here in Australia.

1176
01:03:40.940 --> 01:03:43.940
<v Amy Dean>At one time those bodies had lots of power.

1177
01:03:44.060 --> 01:03:47.940
<v Amy Dean>Up until the 1930s they were on the front line fighting machines

1178
01:03:47.940 --> 01:03:52.100
<v Amy Dean>and they were very militant bodies that ensured that

1179
01:03:52.100 --> 01:03:55.480
<v Amy Dean>when employers went astray that the needs of the community

1180
01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:56.320
<v Amy Dean>and workers were met.

1181
01:03:56.620 --> 01:03:59.440
<v Amy Dean>With the rise of pattern bargaining and international unions

1182
01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:01.600
<v Amy Dean>those bodies were pretty much neutered through a series

1183
01:04:01.600 --> 01:04:04.360
<v Amy Dean>of constitutional and by-law changes and so they really became

1184
01:04:04.360 --> 01:04:07.380
<v Amy Dean>off the front line resting spots for retired

1185
01:04:07.380 --> 01:04:09.200
<v Amy Dean>or soon to be retired labour leaders.

1186
01:04:09.700 --> 01:04:10.920
<v Amy Dean>When John Sweeney came to power,

1187
01:04:10.940 --> 01:04:12.760
<v Amy Dean>John Sweeney came in in the mid-1990s,

1188
01:04:12.780 --> 01:04:14.920
<v Amy Dean>he made a couple of observations about these bodies.

1189
01:04:15.160 --> 01:04:19.140
<v Amy Dean>He said, well first of all, increasingly political decision making

1190
01:04:19.140 --> 01:04:21.860
<v Amy Dean>in the US is devolving down to the state and local level.

1191
01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:24.220
<v Amy Dean>In other words, the playing field is beginning to shift.

1192
01:04:24.340 --> 01:04:25.800
<v Amy Dean>It's shifting away from Washington.

1193
01:04:26.060 --> 01:04:28.180
<v Amy Dean>We need to have capacity outside of Washington.

1194
01:04:28.580 --> 01:04:31.020
<v Amy Dean>The second observation, I think many of us agree,

1195
01:04:31.200 --> 01:04:33.600
<v Amy Dean>is that even though the economy is increasingly global,

1196
01:04:33.980 --> 01:04:36.260
<v Amy Dean>it's also increasingly rooted in regions

1197
01:04:36.260 --> 01:04:39.060
<v Amy Dean>as the economy grows more horizontally, not vertically,

1198
01:04:39.120 --> 01:04:40.360
<v Amy Dean>as companies network.

1199
01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:43.440
<v Amy Dean>And create a whole range of capacities with outside firms

1200
01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:45.780
<v Amy Dean>as outsourcing becomes more and more of the model.

1201
01:04:46.100 --> 01:04:48.540
<v Amy Dean>And so as the economy roots itself regionally,

1202
01:04:48.560 --> 01:04:50.580
<v Amy Dean>we have to have regional bodies that co-extend

1203
01:04:50.580 --> 01:04:51.940
<v Amy Dean>with the borders of the economy.

1204
01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:54.420
<v Amy Dean>And the third observation he made was,

1205
01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:57.380
<v Amy Dean>it's the part of the labour movement that's the least entrenched

1206
01:04:57.380 --> 01:04:59.560
<v Amy Dean>because nobody's been paying attention to these bodies.

1207
01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:02.860
<v Amy Dean>And it's the place where folks are most inclined to get involved.

1208
01:05:03.240 --> 01:05:07.020
<v Amy Dean>I mean, even as people turn off and tune out of national politics,

1209
01:05:07.160 --> 01:05:09.280
<v Amy Dean>all you have to do is open up a newspaper any day in the US,

1210
01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:12.220
<v Amy Dean>flip through it, and there's all sorts of things going on

1211
01:05:12.220 --> 01:05:13.560
<v Amy Dean>at the local level that people are doing.

1212
01:05:13.700 --> 01:05:15.680
<v Amy Dean>Now, it may not seem important to you, it may seem silly,

1213
01:05:15.780 --> 01:05:19.240
<v Amy Dean>but the point is that it suggests that people still fundamentally believe

1214
01:05:19.240 --> 01:05:20.800
<v Amy Dean>in the logic of collective action,

1215
01:05:20.980 --> 01:05:23.360
<v Amy Dean>and that getting together is better than just going it alone.

1216
01:05:24.100 --> 01:05:26.340
<v Amy Dean>So he made all these observations about things,

1217
01:05:26.460 --> 01:05:29.180
<v Amy Dean>and so he said, let's try to figure out how to retool

1218
01:05:29.180 --> 01:05:30.240
<v Amy Dean>and reposition these bodies.

1219
01:05:30.500 --> 01:05:32.060
<v Amy Dean>And so for the last six and a half years,

1220
01:05:32.160 --> 01:05:35.340
<v Amy Dean>we've been really rebuilding at the local level.

1221
01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:39.140
<v Amy Dean>And it's exciting because there's a lot of linkages,

1222
01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:40.160
<v Amy Dean>a lot of things going on with the community,

1223
01:05:40.380 --> 01:05:43.640
<v Amy Dean>a lot of relationships being built with the religious community

1224
01:05:43.640 --> 01:05:46.040
<v Amy Dean>and the environmental community, civil rights movement,

1225
01:05:46.300 --> 01:05:49.440
<v Amy Dean>groups that we haven't had any conversation with for decades,

1226
01:05:49.780 --> 01:05:53.300
<v Amy Dean>groups coming together around a common economic justice agenda.

1227
01:05:53.580 --> 01:05:56.820
<v Amy Dean>The living wage campaign that took place in San Jose is not unique.

1228
01:05:57.060 --> 01:06:00.180
<v Amy Dean>In 85 cities across the US in the last five years,

1229
01:06:00.240 --> 01:06:01.840
<v Amy Dean>living wage campaigns have taken place.

1230
01:06:02.100 --> 01:06:03.860
<v Amy Dean>And they're important. They're important campaigns.

1231
01:06:04.020 --> 01:06:06.560
<v Amy Dean>While they may not be fundamentally transforming the economy,

1232
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:09.020
<v Amy Dean>they suggest other things that are going on

1233
01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:09.740
<v Amy Dean>that are as important.

1234
01:06:10.040 --> 01:06:11.940
<v Amy Dean>It's the fact that people are coming together

1235
01:06:11.940 --> 01:06:13.560
<v Amy Dean>outside of their own sort of sector

1236
01:06:13.560 --> 01:06:16.140
<v Amy Dean>and uniting around a common economic justice agenda.

1237
01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:19.580
<v Amy Dean>It suggests that people really do see the labor movement

1238
01:06:19.580 --> 01:06:21.540
<v Amy Dean>as something relevant, and they see that the labor movement

1239
01:06:21.540 --> 01:06:22.760
<v Amy Dean>isn't just about its membership.

1240
01:06:23.720 --> 01:06:26.880
<v Amy Dean>It redefines again the role that government can potentially play

1241
01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:28.160
<v Amy Dean>in solving social problems.

1242
01:06:28.600 --> 01:06:30.480
<v Amy Dean>And it gives people a chance to work together

1243
01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:31.960
<v Amy Dean>and set the stage for bigger work.

1244
01:06:32.060 --> 01:06:34.380
<v Amy Dean>And I think some of the regional activism that's been growing

1245
01:06:34.380 --> 01:06:36.360
<v Amy Dean>across the US through these central bodies

1246
01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:39.180
<v Amy Dean>really will become the building blocks for something bigger.

1247
01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:41.540
<v Amy Dean>And the question that many people are asking now

1248
01:06:41.540 --> 01:06:43.700
<v Amy Dean>is how do we take this regional work that's going on

1249
01:06:43.700 --> 01:06:44.500
<v Amy Dean>that's very exciting,

1250
01:06:45.280 --> 01:06:46.960
<v Amy Dean>where the religious community is coming out

1251
01:06:46.960 --> 01:06:50.380
<v Amy Dean>and when workers' demands are being upheld by an employer

1252
01:06:50.380 --> 01:06:51.800
<v Amy Dean>because of impotent labor laws,

1253
01:06:52.060 --> 01:06:54.360
<v Amy Dean>religious leaders come and march on the employer,

1254
01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:56.840
<v Amy Dean>elected leaders increasingly are saying,

1255
01:06:56.920 --> 01:06:57.880
<v Amy Dean>not in our town.

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<v Amy Dean>All of this work, we really believe,

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<v Amy Dean>is the building blocks for more.

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<v Amy Dean>And people are now really trying to discuss

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<v Amy Dean>how do you scale some of this work?

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<v Amy Dean>How do we scale it up to the state level?

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<v Amy Dean>And that's sort of the conversation that's going on

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<v Amy Dean>among social change activists,

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<v Amy Dean>which is how do we take this rich regional work that's going on,

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<v Amy Dean>continue to deepen it,

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<v Amy Dean>but also scale it to the state?

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<v Sharon Burrow>Are there any other questions?

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<v Sharon Burrow>Yes, over on my left.

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<v Sharon Burrow>And then we've got one on the right.

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<v Speaker 10>Thanks for your contribution, Amy.

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<v Speaker 10>I agree with you that there needs to be

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<v Speaker 10>a pretty major strategic shift

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<v Speaker 10>in I think the unions over in the states,

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<v Speaker 10>as you say, in Australia as well.

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<v Speaker 10>I was just wondering, Sharon,

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<v Speaker 10>I've been working for eight and a half years

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<v Speaker 10>in the energy industry,

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<v Speaker 10>and I've been through the contract experience,

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01:07:47.580 --> 01:07:48.880
<v Speaker 10>I've been through permanent employment,

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<v Speaker 10>and I've been through enterprise bargaining.

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<v Speaker 10>One of the biggest problems that I seem to have

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<v Speaker 10>joining younger people to the union within my industry

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<v Speaker 10>was this feeling that young people were

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<v Speaker 10>especially being left out of the process

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<v Speaker 10>of enterprise bargaining,

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01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:04.660
<v Speaker 10>that a lot of us were put on contracts,

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<v Speaker 10>and that in some ways,

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<v Speaker 10>I think the labor movement itself has created

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<v Speaker 10>a two-tier workforce within the labor movement.

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<v Speaker 10>So I'm just wondering what sort of strategies

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<v Speaker 10>the ACTU has to deal with that polarization

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01:08:18.200 --> 01:08:22.080
<v Speaker 10>that really is developing through enterprise bargaining

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01:08:22.080 --> 01:08:25.440
<v Speaker 10>where we are seen as second-class workers,

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<v Speaker 10>whether we're union members or not.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Well, and it's a challenge for us.

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01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:31.880
<v Sharon Burrow>There's no question about that.

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<v Sharon Burrow>The whole issue of everything from youth wages

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<v Sharon Burrow>to the nature of the employment contract

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<v Sharon Burrow>is something we have to deal with,

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<v Sharon Burrow>whether it's the energy industry or across the board,

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<v Sharon Burrow>because we are seeing now widening inequality

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01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:46.500
<v Sharon Burrow>through a two-tiered environment.

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01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:49.720
<v Sharon Burrow>Enterprise bargaining, where we can organize workers,

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01:08:49.840 --> 01:08:51.060
<v Sharon Burrow>has been incredibly successful.

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01:08:51.400 --> 01:08:55.760
<v Sharon Burrow>As I said, 17% of wages different.

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01:08:55.900 --> 01:08:59.280
<v Sharon Burrow>There's a 17% more wages in a union member's pocket

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<v Sharon Burrow>on average than there is for non-union members.

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01:09:01.940 --> 01:09:03.500
<v Sharon Burrow>But for women, for young people,

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01:09:03.740 --> 01:09:06.200
<v Sharon Burrow>the lower-paid jobs,

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01:09:06.360 --> 01:09:08.160
<v Sharon Burrow>the lack of connection with the union movement,

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01:09:08.160 --> 01:09:10.000
<v Sharon Burrow>is certainly a challenge for us.

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<v Sharon Burrow>It's one of the reasons we're so interested in coming back

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01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:16.660
<v Sharon Burrow>to look at how we renew union voices,

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01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:18.180
<v Sharon Burrow>union community voices,

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<v Sharon Burrow>in the context of people's own environment.

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01:09:21.200 --> 01:09:24.800
<v Sharon Burrow>The issue, of course, for the energy industry

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01:09:24.800 --> 01:09:25.960
<v Sharon Burrow>goes way beyond this,

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<v Sharon Burrow>because it is young people who are increasingly taking up jobs

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<v Sharon Burrow>in the increasing green energy sector,

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01:09:33.160 --> 01:09:36.680
<v Sharon Burrow>and we think it's fantastic that we're finally seeing

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<v Sharon Burrow>the green energy sector take off.

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01:09:38.160 --> 01:09:40.380
<v Sharon Burrow>In Australia, but we also have to work

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01:09:40.380 --> 01:09:42.700
<v Sharon Burrow>with our traditional industry partners,

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01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:45.360
<v Sharon Burrow>whoever asked that question about sustainability.

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<v Sharon Burrow>It's not good enough that in Finland you can have

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01:09:48.380 --> 01:09:51.540
<v Sharon Burrow>brown coal infrastructure that's 80% efficient.

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01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:53.400
<v Sharon Burrow>In Australia, it's not there.

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<v Sharon Burrow>The unions want to do something about that

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01:09:55.300 --> 01:09:57.140
<v Sharon Burrow>because whether we like it or not,

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01:09:57.220 --> 01:09:58.700
<v Sharon Burrow>we're going to have brown coal electricity

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01:09:58.700 --> 01:10:02.320
<v Sharon Burrow>until most of us are sort of no longer on the planet.

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01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:05.800
<v Sharon Burrow>But because we can actually do something about that,

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01:10:05.800 --> 01:10:07.360
<v Sharon Burrow>in terms of greenhouse emissions,

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01:10:07.360 --> 01:10:08.780
<v Sharon Burrow>something about green energy,

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01:10:08.940 --> 01:10:11.240
<v Sharon Burrow>and hopefully something about inclusiveness

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<v Sharon Burrow>in making sure all voices,

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<v Sharon Burrow>whether they're young people, whether they're women,

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01:10:15.420 --> 01:10:16.540
<v Sharon Burrow>whether they're older workers,

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01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:19.660
<v Sharon Burrow>whether in fact they're unemployed workers

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01:10:19.660 --> 01:10:21.640
<v Sharon Burrow>looking for some representation,

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01:10:22.140 --> 01:10:22.960
<v Sharon Burrow>they're the challenges.

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01:10:23.160 --> 01:10:26.560
<v Sharon Burrow>We know that, and we're not afraid to say it,

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01:10:26.580 --> 01:10:28.580
<v Sharon Burrow>because unless we're, as Amy says,

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01:10:28.660 --> 01:10:31.500
<v Sharon Burrow>open about the threats to the traditional nature

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01:10:31.500 --> 01:10:32.700
<v Sharon Burrow>of our organisations,

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01:10:32.720 --> 01:10:36.200
<v Sharon Burrow>without being defensive about trying to rebuild a world

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01:10:36.200 --> 01:10:37.060
<v Sharon Burrow>that we'd like,

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01:10:37.060 --> 01:10:38.260
<v Sharon Burrow>when it's not going to happen,

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01:10:38.360 --> 01:10:40.280
<v Sharon Burrow>we've got to rebuild our institutions

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01:10:40.280 --> 01:10:42.200
<v Sharon Burrow>to meet the demands that you've raised

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01:10:42.200 --> 01:10:45.000
<v Sharon Burrow>and that Amy's clearly put on the table that we share.

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<v Sharon Burrow>Now, there's time for a very quick question

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01:10:47.420 --> 01:10:49.100
<v Sharon Burrow>only before we go.

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01:10:49.480 --> 01:10:51.960
<v Sharon Burrow>So, I think you've had one question,

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01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:53.160
<v Sharon Burrow>but let's have a quick one again.

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<v Speaker 4>Isn't it...

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<v Speaker 4>You talked about delinking the profits

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<v Speaker 4>from rewarding the workforce.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, isn't that encased in the American religion,

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<v Speaker 4>that those who make profit are already...

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01:11:09.640 --> 01:11:12.720
<v Speaker 4>That people, some people earn more than...

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<v Speaker 4>or can make tremendous wealth

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<v Speaker 4>is evidence of God's hand.

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01:11:19.180 --> 01:11:19.920
<v Speaker 4>He's reward...

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<v Speaker 4>He's picked his people, and they are the chosen ones.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, the European attitude is that if you're lucky,

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<v Speaker 4>you have an obligation to your workforce

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01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:33.920
<v Speaker 4>because your life depends on them to reward them.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why we had the...

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<v Speaker 4>The Junkers, you know, the estate people who had large estates,

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01:11:40.160 --> 01:11:41.960
<v Speaker 4>they had little houses for their workers.

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01:11:42.120 --> 01:11:43.220
<v Speaker 4>They gave them gardens.

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<v Speaker 4>They had medical attention for the workers to look after them.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, that is not in the American mind.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, the main question is,

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<v Speaker 4>what gives America the power to dictate to the rest of the world

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<v Speaker 4>how they should operate economically?

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01:11:59.180 --> 01:11:59.740
<v Speaker 4>That...

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<v Speaker 4>To impose an economic system on the world

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<v Speaker 4>with such short-sightedness

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<v Speaker 4>and such relative power is really quite offensive in my mind.

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<v Sharon Burrow>I'm not sure we can ask Amy to get inside the head of George Bush,

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<v Sharon Burrow>but nevertheless, a final comment, Amy.

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<v Amy Dean>I've spent the last 17 years of my life in the trade union movement,

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<v Amy Dean>so it's not uncommon that I have to go to meetings

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<v Amy Dean>with other groups of people

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<v Amy Dean>where I have to defend the whole trade union movement.

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<v Amy Dean>So, if I...

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<v Amy Dean>I'm not here to defend the US,

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<v Amy Dean>but I'm used to getting those kinds of questions.

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<v Amy Dean>First of all, we all know, you know, sir,

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01:12:30.620 --> 01:12:33.700
<v Amy Dean>that the tension between social values and market forces

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01:12:33.700 --> 01:12:35.020
<v Amy Dean>is a tension that we have...

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<v Amy Dean>have wrestled with throughout history.

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01:12:37.140 --> 01:12:39.880
<v Amy Dean>US deals with that tension in a different context

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01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:41.240
<v Amy Dean>than we... than you do in Europe.

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01:12:41.980 --> 01:12:43.920
<v Amy Dean>But clearly, throughout history,

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01:12:44.100 --> 01:12:45.800
<v Amy Dean>there have always been periods where one...

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01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:47.860
<v Amy Dean>that either we... one side is out of balance,

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01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:48.840
<v Amy Dean>the other is out of balance,

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01:12:48.940 --> 01:12:50.320
<v Amy Dean>or we bring them back more together.

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01:12:50.760 --> 01:12:53.920
<v Amy Dean>Clearly, we are in a position and a time today,

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01:12:54.160 --> 01:12:55.220
<v Amy Dean>because what I said earlier,

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01:12:55.300 --> 01:12:57.020
<v Amy Dean>because of the decline in public institutions,

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01:12:57.240 --> 01:12:58.740
<v Amy Dean>where the forces of the market dominate.

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01:12:59.100 --> 01:13:01.780
<v Amy Dean>I would say that even in the European context,

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01:13:01.860 --> 01:13:03.580
<v Amy Dean>globalization creates a challenge

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01:13:03.580 --> 01:13:04.980
<v Amy Dean>where increasingly the workers,

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01:13:05.020 --> 01:13:05.200
<v Amy Dean>the workforce,

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01:13:05.780 --> 01:13:07.240
<v Amy Dean>the interests of our nation,

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01:13:07.360 --> 01:13:08.860
<v Amy Dean>the social values that we care about

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01:13:08.860 --> 01:13:10.760
<v Amy Dean>are increasingly delinked from the economy,

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01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:12.820
<v Amy Dean>even in the Europe... European context.

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01:13:13.060 --> 01:13:18.860
<v Amy Dean>And so, I would say that while I don't make apologies for the US

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01:13:18.860 --> 01:13:21.840
<v Amy Dean>and we... I don't think we have the economic model for everybody,

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01:13:22.040 --> 01:13:23.840
<v Amy Dean>I would say that those tensions are inevitable,

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01:13:24.240 --> 01:13:26.880
<v Amy Dean>that historically we always have to wrestle with them

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01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:28.440
<v Amy Dean>and we have... we go through periods where

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<v Amy Dean>one side of the aisle is more influential than the other,

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01:13:31.960 --> 01:13:34.920
<v Amy Dean>but I think it's more than just rebuilding the public sector,

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01:13:35.020 --> 01:13:37.560
<v Amy Dean>and labor unions in the way that we've understood them in the past.

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01:13:37.640 --> 01:13:40.140
<v Amy Dean>We've got a huge challenge now with governance given globalization,

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01:13:40.460 --> 01:13:43.460
<v Amy Dean>given the fact that national interests or social values

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01:13:43.460 --> 01:13:46.200
<v Amy Dean>are so increasingly delinked from economic interests.

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01:13:46.380 --> 01:13:48.320
<v Amy Dean>I mean, even for European companies,

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01:13:49.100 --> 01:13:50.540
<v Amy Dean>workforces are in different parts of the world

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01:13:50.540 --> 01:13:52.260
<v Amy Dean>than they are in their own home state.

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<v Amy Dean>And so, we need a set of new institutional arrangements

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01:13:54.880 --> 01:13:57.880
<v Amy Dean>that go beyond just each individual nation.

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<v Amy Dean>And I think that we're only at the very beginning of that conversation.

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<v Amy Dean>I think... I feel like many of us

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01:14:03.460 --> 01:14:04.880
<v Amy Dean>that are working on globalization,

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01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:05.220
<v Amy Dean>we're working on globalization issues

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01:14:05.220 --> 01:14:06.200
<v Amy Dean>that we're very much pioneers.

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01:14:07.100 --> 01:14:10.080
<v Amy Dean>So I would argue that those tensions are inevitable,

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01:14:10.380 --> 01:14:10.900
<v Amy Dean>they're historical,

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01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:15.920
<v Amy Dean>and that we have to wrestle with reconciling them

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01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:17.300
<v Amy Dean>and bringing them back into power

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01:14:17.300 --> 01:14:19.060
<v Amy Dean>and bringing them back into balance.

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01:14:19.240 --> 01:14:21.160
<v Amy Dean>And I imagine that we'll do it

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01:14:21.160 --> 01:14:23.140
<v Amy Dean>in the way the U.S. has historically done it,

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01:14:23.180 --> 01:14:25.180
<v Amy Dean>and it won't look like the European model.

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01:14:25.640 --> 01:14:29.180
<v Amy Dean>But I would be one to say that if we could at least get back

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01:14:29.180 --> 01:14:31.460
<v Amy Dean>to a new, new deal in America, I would sign up for that.

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01:14:32.280 --> 01:14:34.040
<v Amy Dean>And I think that would at least...

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01:14:34.040 --> 01:14:36.780
<v Amy Dean>while that may not seem big enough in terms of vision,

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01:14:36.940 --> 01:14:39.860
<v Amy Dean>I still think if we could get back to that in our country,

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01:14:40.360 --> 01:14:42.500
<v Amy Dean>that would set the stage for the rest of the world.

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01:14:42.780 --> 01:14:46.200
<v Sharon Burrow>And on the fear side, can I say that if we're worried

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01:14:46.200 --> 01:14:48.180
<v Sharon Burrow>about the threat to social democracy here

1450
01:14:48.180 --> 01:14:50.200
<v Sharon Burrow>and we look towards Europe traditionally,

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01:14:50.320 --> 01:14:51.520
<v Sharon Burrow>it's under threat there too.

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01:14:51.580 --> 01:14:55.160
<v Sharon Burrow>The labor movement is facing exactly the same kind of pressures.

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01:14:55.180 --> 01:14:59.580
<v Sharon Burrow>So it does, I think, challenge us to think, as Amy said,

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01:14:59.740 --> 01:15:01.160
<v Sharon Burrow>from the local to the global.

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01:15:01.340 --> 01:15:03.620
<v Sharon Burrow>And can I say on this note that,

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01:15:03.620 --> 01:15:06.440
<v Sharon Burrow>we are delighted to have had Amy here.

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01:15:06.660 --> 01:15:09.960
<v Sharon Burrow>The challenges she puts out are challenges for all of us.

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01:15:10.120 --> 01:15:12.800
<v Sharon Burrow>In Australia, often people don't know,

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01:15:12.900 --> 01:15:15.840
<v Sharon Burrow>but Australian unions now have no collective bargaining rights

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01:15:15.840 --> 01:15:16.900
<v Sharon Burrow>under any legislation.

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01:15:17.260 --> 01:15:19.780
<v Sharon Burrow>We actually don't have fundamental labor standards

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01:15:19.780 --> 01:15:23.300
<v Sharon Burrow>that we've helped to build in solidarity throughout the globe.

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01:15:23.440 --> 01:15:27.420
<v Sharon Burrow>So we need community alliances in order to work for working people

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01:15:27.420 --> 01:15:31.580
<v Sharon Burrow>just as much as community alliances might think that we can help them.

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01:15:31.660 --> 01:15:32.780
<v Sharon Burrow>So it's a two-way street.

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01:15:33.020 --> 01:15:33.600
<v Sharon Burrow>The European Union is a two-way street.

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01:15:33.620 --> 01:15:35.260
<v Sharon Burrow>It's a young man who challenged us.

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01:15:35.400 --> 01:15:38.380
<v Sharon Burrow>There's a future strategies document on our website.

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01:15:39.180 --> 01:15:42.800
<v Sharon Burrow>It's simple in concept, but it's hard in practice.

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01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:44.520
<v Sharon Burrow>But if we don't have the ideas right,

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<v Sharon Burrow>we want to know about it just as Amy wants to hear the voices

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01:15:47.740 --> 01:15:49.500
<v Sharon Burrow>of working people.

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01:15:49.640 --> 01:15:52.780
<v Sharon Burrow>We've got a responsibility to listen and try and respond.

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<v Sharon Burrow>So, Amy, can I say on behalf of the Australian unions,

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<v Sharon Burrow>while we make absolutely no apology about opposing George Bush's,

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<v Sharon Burrow>you know, global ambitions,

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<v Sharon Burrow>which are not just actions for domination,

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<v Sharon Burrow>indeed, the extension of militarism and the like,

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<v Sharon Burrow>nevertheless, we want you to take home a sense

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<v Sharon Burrow>that we will always stand in solidarity with the American people

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<v Sharon Burrow>because it's the administration we don't like

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<v Sharon Burrow>and our hopes and fears in Australia

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<v Sharon Burrow>are exactly the hopes and fears of the American people.

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<v Sharon Burrow>So our solidarity with you is as strong as it's ever been

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<v Sharon Burrow>and we know that it's a tough world, really,

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<v Sharon Burrow>but we're going to take it on, aren't we?

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for rescuing me.

