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<v Chair>Welcome ladies and gentlemen on this rather wet and wintry Adelaide morning. You're doing well

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<v Chair>to get up so early on a Sunday morning I think or perhaps you were meaning to be at church,

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<v Chair>I'm not sure. Either way it's my pleasure to introduce for this morning's session Bishop

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<v Chair>John Shelby Spong. As the size of this audience indicates this is no whispering Jack. Jack's

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<v Chair>voice has been heard loud and clear on his visit to Australia and his message has been welcomed and

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<v Chair>lampooned variously by different people. But he needs no full introduction from me and so

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<v Chair>without any further ado I'd invite you to welcome and listen to Jack Spong. Thank you.

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<v Chair>Thank you.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Thank you.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Thank you very much and thank you for being here. This is our last day in Australia and I must say we

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>think this is a wonderful country. I speak today out of two books. One is my autobiography,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Here I Stand, My Struggle for a Christianity of Integrity, Love and Equality. It's a personal

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>chronicle of how I emerged out of an evangelical Anglican church

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>to call

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the church of today into being something new. The other book is Why Christianity Must Change or Die.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>It is a manifesto calling the church to a new reformation without which I do not believe

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Christianity will grace our future. I launched that reformation by nailing in Luther-like fashion

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>my 12 theses on the doors of the great chapel at Mansfield

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>College in Oxford University. I will leave a copy of those 12 theses in the bookstore if anybody is

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>interested in having one. Perhaps they can reproduce that for you. I mention this not to be

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>self-aggrandizing but because I am aware that I have such a little time today and that I will only

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>scratch the surface, perhaps leaving far more questions than answers, and I do not want you to think that what I say today is a

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>!

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>all that there is to say on these great subjects. I want to place before you today a new faith perspective.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Not only will it be intensely personal, but I hope it will also have authenticity and integrity.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I also hope it will constitute a vision that both engages and compels my listeners. So let me begin.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The most important thing you need to know about me is that I am a Christian, a deeply committed, unashamed Christian.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I call Jesus my Lord. I stand inside the faith tradition that counts Jesus as its center.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I cannot recall a time in my life when Jesus was not a sacred presence to me. I was even born in an Anglican hospital, baptized as an infant,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>nurtured and educated in my parish church, confirmed as a young adolescent, active in my teenage years in my church's youth group, and in my young adult years in my university's student nationwide

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and I served in those capacities for 21 years.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I must have served well,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>for this church elected me to be one of its bishops at age 44.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I served in that role for 24 years,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>retiring just recently

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>as the senior sitting Anglican bishop in the United States.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>During that Episcopal career,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I authored books and articles,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>all of which sought to explore the life

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and the implications of this Jesus for my generation.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I made no attempt to avoid controversy in my career.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I placed my devotion to the truth of God

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>before my yearning to have my church avoid controversy

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>or even pain

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>by remaining in a pattern that is shallow for most

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and killing for some.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>So the first thing I want,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I want you to hear is that I speak as a believer,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>as a devoted Christian,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and that I take that commitment quite seriously.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>But there is a second reality that you must know.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I am also a child of the 21st century,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and that makes my Christian commitment difficult.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I live in a world that is vastly different

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>from the one in which Christianity was born.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Indeed,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the knowledge that is available to those of us

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>who live in this century

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>renders so much of the content

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>with which Christianity has traditionally been associated

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>to be not just irrelevant,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>but actually unbelievable.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I cannot pretend that the first century mythological framework

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>in which Jesus was historically wrapped

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>is still an option for me

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>or for the people of my generation.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>So these are the things that I want you to know.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I accept all the twin realities

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that frequently threaten to tear me apart.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I accept the reality of the Christ experience.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I dismiss the explanations

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that have traditionally carried that experience.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Explanations, even pious and sacred explanations,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>time-honored explanations,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>always die eventually.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>So here I stand.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And if I do not take this,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the Christ experience, seriously,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>then all that Christianity has given to our world

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>will disappear.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>If I do not take my time in history seriously,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>then I discover that my religious convictions

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>are empty and vapid.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I am not willing to continue to worship God

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>or even to claim my Christian heritage

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>at the expense of my 21st century mind.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I am not willing to abandon my faith experience

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>in order to live in this postmodern world.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>So these are the polarities

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that mark everything I do,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>everything I say,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and everything I write.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I suspect that these tensions are also present

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>in the lives of modern men and women.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And yet these tensions did not arise overnight.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>They began to develop actually hundreds of years ago.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>First, as a disturbing trickle,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>they were broken nationwide.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Photos nationwide were broken nationwide.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Photos nationwide were broken nationwide.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Photos nationwide were broken nationwide.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Photos nationwide were broken nationwide nationwide.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and stretching through Kepler and Galileo.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>This revolution means that the comfortable three-tiered structure of early Christianity

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that posited the earth as the center of the universe,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>basking in the direct attention of the theistic deity

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>who sat on a throne just beyond the sky

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and who periodically invaded the world in miraculous ways,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>has become inoperative for me and for countless others.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I live in a universe of vast proportions.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I know that my sun is a middle-class star in a galaxy

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>which includes over 100 billion stars.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>My galaxy is only one of more than 125 billion galaxies in the visible universe.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>A theistic god who reigns beyond a universe

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>of these dimensions appears to be distant indeed,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>rendering so many of the details of our faith story to be literally absurd.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Could the attention of such a god

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>be seen as focused on this tiny planet?

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Could this deity actually, as the Bible suggests,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>choose a tribe of this earth's people?

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>To be God's own?

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Worry like a good Jewish matchmaker about finding a wife for Isaac,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>one of the patriarchs of this tribe?

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Sin plagues and destruction upon this tribe's earthly enemies?

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Dictate the rules for these chosen people to obey?

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Could this god who lives beyond such a universe

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>actually hang a star in the ceiling of the earth

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>which is building a new world?

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Could he take millions of light years away

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>to announce the birth of a divine sun?

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Could one of God's angels drag this star across the ceiling

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>slowly enough that wise men could actually follow it?

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Could that star stop over a particular house in Bethlehem

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and bathe that house in its starlight

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>until those wise men had dismounted and entered it?

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Could this divine life, who should be the first to know,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Could this divine life, who should be the first to know,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>at the end of his earthly career,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>a heaven located just above the visible sky?

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The revolution begun with Copernicus

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>renders all of these concepts no longer possible to believe.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>It is no wonder that church leaders resisted this revolution

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>in consciousness with killing fury.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>a paper saying, we now believe that Galileo is right.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The church started on a path of adopting defensive adjustments, marking the beginning of a slow

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>but steady retreat of the Christian faith from the center of the life of the world to

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>So I live first on the other side of Copernicus.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I also live on the other side of Sir Isaac Newton, who as a mathematician and a physicist

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>charted the laws by which the physical universe operates, showing cause and effect and precise

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>His work also caused the shrinking of the arenas in which we once thought miracle and

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>magic could occur.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Suddenly, many of the details of the biblical story, written at a time when whatever was

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>understood was attributed to God's miraculous and invasive power.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>These insights were rendered null and void.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Today, almost everything we once thought of as a miracle is explained with no appeal at

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>all to a supernatural or theistic deity.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>So gone from our tradition is a literal understanding of such stories as the stilling of the storm,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Expanding loaves and fishes to feed a multitude.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And all counts in which physical blindness, deafness, lameness, or even death are overcome

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>When the work of Isaac Newton was complete, the parameters within which my faith story

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>had traditionally been told were seen to narrow perceptively before our eyes.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I also live on the other side of the year, 1724.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>That was an interesting year.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>For that was the year in which the world of science and medicine finally demonstrated

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>with empirical data what they had long before come to accept, namely that women had an egg

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And that egg cell contributed 50% of the genetic code of every life that has ever been

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Women were thus born.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Thus no longer passive receptacles and helpmates to men, as the Bible had suggested.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>They were newly defined by this discovery as the co-creators of life, equal in every

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Two things accompanied this insight.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>First, women began their march into equality, fighting and defeating the church with which a spouse did

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>a woman will be the Pope in Rome.

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<v Chair>That is as certain as the fact that I am standing here.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And just to be fully ecumenical,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>a woman will even be the Anglican Archbishop of Sydney.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Please remember where you first heard it.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The second result of that new insight

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>was that the understanding of the virgin birth of Jesus

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Jesus now had to have 50% of his human mother's genetic code.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Incarnation was,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>as the point of divine entry was no longer operative.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The traditional foundations of Christianity tottered.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I live on the other side of Charles Darwin,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>whose understanding of the origins of life,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>not only challenged the biblical account of the seven-day creation story,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>but also the whole biblical myth of creation and fall,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>against which Christian theology had been erected.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>There was, said Darwin, no finished, perfect, or original creation.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>There was only an ongoing process of a still-expanding universe.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>In this universe, galaxies are at this moment

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The universe is still expanding.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Creation is not finished.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The conclusion thus became inevitable,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that there never was a time, either literally or metaphorically,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>when life was created perfect only to fall into sin,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>as the traditional Christian myth had proclaimed.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>There has been only an emerging four-billion-year process,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that move from single cells in the midst of the sea,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>to cellular complexity, and finally, even to self-consciousness.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Humanity as we know it, with self-consciousness and the ability to use language,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>is probably no more than fifty to a hundred thousand years old.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We are not fallen sinners needing to be rescued, as we are, from the dead.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>As the Church has always proclaimed, we are incomplete human beings,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And suddenly the story of Jesus, who was said to have died for our sins,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>whose sacrifice on the cross paid the price of the original sin

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>which marked the human creature's fall, that story became nonsensical.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>With that realization, baptism, the process of the resurrection, the resurrection, the

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>baptism, which was originally designed to wash away our original sin,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and the Eucharist, which was originally designed to reenact the sacrifice of Jesus

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that overcame the sin of the world, became suddenly the Church's cures

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>for which no actual diseases existed.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>A good creation that was distorted by a fall into sin at the dawn of human history is revealed

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>as mythological.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>A mythology that is not either literally true or metaphorically true.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Thus the traditional way of telling the Christian story is now seen to be directed toward a

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>human situation that is simply not accurate.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>It never has been accurate.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>It never will be accurate.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Jesus did not die for our sins.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We are not saved by the shedding of his blood.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>He did not rescue us from a fall that never occurred.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Nor can he restore us to something we have never been.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The old story no longer translates into reality in a post-Darwinian world.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Faith trembles as its traditional content continues to fall away.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>mentality made slavery possible, as well as segregation, apartheid, male chauvinism,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>anti-Semitism, and homophobia. This God encouraged human beings to live in fear,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>to know guilt, and thus to seek reconciliation and atonement.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Sigmund Freud showed me how deeply my faith compromised my humanity.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Human maturity and the way my faith story was traditionally told became incompatible goals

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that I could no longer seek together. One of them would have to go. I have chosen to make

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>human maturity my goal.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>So much so that I have chosen to make human maturity my goal.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Much of my traditional religious practice and all of my defining prejudices have to be abandoned.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Christianity becomes almost naked, looking for a place to hide.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I live today on the other side of Albert Einstein, who forced me to embrace relativity,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>not just in time and space, but in all things. I cannot find security in any propositional

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>situation. I cannot find security in any propositional situation. I cannot find security

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>in any propositional statement because I cannot place timeless truth inside my time-bound vocabulary.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And I have no other vocabulary to use. I therefore cannot ever possess certainty.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I cannot claim to be the recipient of a divine and therefore eternal revelation.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I cannot find inerrancy in my scriptures, infallibility,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>or the quality of unchangeableness in my sacred traditions.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I become like that person about whom it has been said,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>if you can keep your head while everyone around you is losing theirs,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>you probably don't understand the issues.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>My humanity requires me to embrace uncertainty, insecurity, and the reality of constant uncertainty.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I am aware of the constant change as the very marks of my maturity.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>They are the realities of the time and the place in which I live.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And any God who is said to remove these things from me has to be recognized as an idol,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>perhaps even a demon of my own creation. I must therefore dismiss such a deity from my pantheon.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I must therefore dismiss such a deity from my pantheon.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>If you are a young man or a young woman of faith, it is a scary time to be a Christian.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>If you are a young man or a young woman of faith, it is a scary time to be a Christian.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>If you are a young man or a young woman of faith, it is a scary time to be a Christian.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>But one cannot deny reality.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>But one cannot deny reality.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>There are other barriers that I have been forced to cross

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>There are other barriers that I have been forced to cross

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>There are other barriers that I have been forced to cross

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>There are other barriers that I have been forced to cross

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>That time simply do not permit me to do more than mention in this address.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>That time simply do not permit me to do more than mention in this address.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>That time simply do not permit me to do more than mention in this address.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>of life's cosmic forces.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Others are barriers like those crossed in the world of subatomic physics,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the realm of quantum weirdness, quarks, leptons,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the debate about the role of the observer in determining

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and the strange determinancy that a pair of photons

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>appear to have for each other even after having been widely separated.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Then there is that relatively new biological frontier of brain science

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>with its probe into identity, into consciousness,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and into the energy of the brain which may transcend all physical limits.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>All of these things and many more make up my citizenry,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>my citizenship in the 21st century.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>It is in this world with these challenges that I must live as a Christian.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I have no other world that I can claim to inhabit with integrity.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>If my faith cannot live here, it can no longer live at all.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>One wonders if there has ever been a crisis of the spirit

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that would equal the crisis of our generation.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Perhaps not.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>But there certainly have been analogous times.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Let me describe just one of them.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>There was an episode in the history of the Jewish people,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>our ancestors in faith,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>where they faced something that was at least similar.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>In that particular moment of Jewish history,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the Babylonian army had fallen upon the land of Judah with devastating power.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Judah was laid waste.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Jerusalem was conquered and destroyed.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The temple and the priesthood were dismissed.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The people were marched into a Babylonian captivity.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>They were removed from the land where their God reigned supreme.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>They were exiled to a land that their God did not know

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and in which they did not believe their God could be served.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>These Jews were physically removed from their temple,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>their priesthood, and the sacred liturgies of their tradition,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>which had always been the way of the world.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>which had always been the way of the world.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The Jews in the past ordered and interpreted both God and their life.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>They were uprooted from all that they had been taught was holy.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>On their journey into Babylon,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>from which these pilgrims would never again return,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>one of the conquering Babylonian soldiers

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>taunted them with this invitation.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Come now, sing us one of the songs of Zion,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>one of your holy songs.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>But these hurting Jewish people,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>how can we sing the Lord's song in a strange land?

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>How indeed.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>How can one sing God's song when all of the presuppositions

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>of that sacred song have been ripped away?

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>How can they sing the Lord's song

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>when the old words no longer work?

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>When the old context is no longer alive?

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>How can they sing it all?

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>When the melodies that their parents once trusted

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>to endure forever no longer can even be hummed?

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>That was the fate of our Jewish ancestors in faith

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>in the sixth century before the birth of Jesus.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>They were exiled from all that they had been taught was holy.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>In the exile, they faced a spiritual crisis

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>of enormous proportions.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>God either had to grow up in a place of sin,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>or God had to die.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>There were no other alternatives.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We 21st century Christians have faced no Babylonian conqueror

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>who has violently ripped us from our roots.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>But we have faced a knowledge revolution

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that has in effect done the same thing.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We have had to walk into a strange land where the

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>presuppositions of our faith story have also been obliterated.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Where the definitions of the past have become inoperative

419
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and where the explanations of the ages have become unbelievable.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We have been forced to walk beyond Copernicus, Keppeler,

421
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Galileo, Newton, Darwin, Freud, Einstein.

422
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We could name others.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Stephen Hawking, Carl Sagan,

424
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Sagan, many, many more. The old songs of our faith story can no longer be sung as they were once sung.

425
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The old words no longer translate. The old themes no longer work. The question of those Jews

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>who lived in the sixth century before the common era has thus become the question

427
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>of the 21st century Christian. Can we Christians still sing the Lord's song in this strange land,

428
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>this land of our postmodern world? Is there still a song to sing?

429
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Can you not experience the fear that grips the modern believers? Can you not appreciate the

430
00:30:01.120 --> 00:30:03.720
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>anxiety that marks contemporary Christians?

431
00:30:04.900 --> 00:30:12.640
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Can you not face the trauma? At the dawn of human history, we human beings were forced to grasp

432
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>our self-consciousness. We did so only because we felt that a divine presence stood by,

433
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>ready to be our protector. We wonder today, if we have reached that point in history

434
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>where we will not only have to accept our self-consciousness,

435
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>but also the reality that we might be radically alone in this universe.

436
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:48.680
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We wonder whether we are anything but meaningless specks of dust in the vastness of space.

437
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>That is the modern religious dilemma. These are the questions faced by Christians

438
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and by all people of faith in these dawning years of the third millennium.

439
00:31:04.500 --> 00:31:08.920
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And this is also where I live.

440
00:31:10.300 --> 00:31:12.720
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>But I want to live here with integrity.

441
00:31:14.320 --> 00:31:22.520
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I want to live here as a believer because I am still convinced that God is real.

442
00:31:23.780 --> 00:31:26.840
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Oh, there are some people who share my Christian convictions,

443
00:31:26.940 --> 00:31:34.480
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>but facing this faith crisis of the modern world, simply draw back into an immobile world.

444
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:42.800
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>paralyzing anxiety. They cling to their faith passionately and try to ignore the changing world

445
00:31:42.800 --> 00:31:49.500
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and the changing consciousness. They call themselves variously evangelicals, fundamentalists,

446
00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:57.180
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>conservative Roman Catholics. They do not want the questions raised. They are the Christians who

447
00:31:57.180 --> 00:32:03.580
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>insist on singing the Lord's song in the same way that it has always been sung. It is an unchanging

448
00:32:03.580 --> 00:32:11.080
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>song, they insist. So what they do is to sing it louder and louder and more and more hysterically.

449
00:32:12.500 --> 00:32:16.700
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And though it resonates in their small and closed circles of like-minded people,

450
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:23.660
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>it is no longer relevant to the ascending majority in the rest of the developed world.

451
00:32:24.260 --> 00:32:32.720
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>It does not translate, and so it is treated with benign neglect. It makes lots of noise,

452
00:32:33.580 --> 00:32:40.300
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>but the secular world has learned how to manage that noise, how to contain it, and yes,

453
00:32:40.520 --> 00:32:49.480
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>how to ignore it. Evangelical fundamentalism and authoritarian Roman Catholicism may still

454
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>be the driving forces of the religions of the third world, but both of these Christian traditions

455
00:32:57.360 --> 00:33:03.380
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>today inhabit only despairing and thus increasingly aggressive pockets,

456
00:33:03.580 --> 00:33:10.380
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>in the population of the developed world. Only those people who are either closed-minded

457
00:33:10.380 --> 00:33:19.000
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>or deluded still think that this is the mentality of a living church espousing a living Christianity.

458
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:27.180
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>These rather are the signs of a violent, shaking rigor mortis that occurs just before the total

459
00:33:27.180 --> 00:33:33.560
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>death of that institution becomes complete. Evangelical and classical Christian religion

460
00:33:33.580 --> 00:33:37.600
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>is not the wave of the future.

461
00:33:39.060 --> 00:33:44.240
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>There are other citizens of the 21st century who have faced the fact that the God defined

462
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:50.860
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>as a being, supernatural in power, external to life, and the author of miracles, is simply

463
00:33:50.860 --> 00:33:59.140
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>no more. This God is gone. This God is dead. Perhaps it is more accurate to say that this

464
00:33:59.140 --> 00:34:03.560
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>God never really lived. This God was a figment of the world. This God is no longer a figure,

465
00:34:03.560 --> 00:34:10.480
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>but a symbol of our traumatized human self-conscious imaginations. Since these citizens of the

466
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:16.720
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>21st century can no longer believe in this deity, and since they know no other possibility

467
00:34:17.740 --> 00:34:24.080
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>for defining God, they have come to accept the fact that they live in a godless world.

468
00:34:24.680 --> 00:34:31.660
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>They are the secular part of our society. In an act of courage, as a matter of fact,

469
00:34:31.720 --> 00:34:33.540
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>they have enrolled as a Christian in the religious system of the 21st century. They have been

470
00:34:33.540 --> 00:34:39.580
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the citizens of the secular city, as members of what I call the Church Alumni Association.

471
00:34:40.940 --> 00:34:50.000
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>They are the ascending majority in the developed world. And yet so many of these people, and

472
00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:57.780
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I suspect many of you will identify with them, so many of these people remain seekers after

473
00:34:57.780 --> 00:35:03.160
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the sense of the holy, searchers after a spiritual dimension.

474
00:35:03.540 --> 00:35:12.580
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>They are people who are hungry for meaning, thirsty for truth, eager to find a sense of

475
00:35:12.580 --> 00:35:20.240
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>transcendence, yearning for a God presence in which they can trust. They are, however,

476
00:35:20.300 --> 00:35:26.480
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>people who are no longer willing to turn off their minds, no longer willing to be deluded,

477
00:35:27.600 --> 00:35:31.960
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>no longer to accept things just because it has always been that way.

478
00:35:33.540 --> 00:35:40.740
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Nor are they willing just to pretend that they believe. There is a vast difference between

479
00:35:40.740 --> 00:35:49.480
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>those who believe in God and those who simply believe in believing in God. These people

480
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:56.420
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>will not allow their hearts to worship something that they know their minds reject. Having

481
00:35:56.420 --> 00:36:02.120
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>left the Church, they cannot finally help to revive the Church.

482
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:10.620
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And then there are a few others. Perhaps they will be known as the saving remnant.

483
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:18.260
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>They are people who, like me, will not give up a faith in God on one side, but who will

484
00:36:18.260 --> 00:36:24.660
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>also not cease to be citizens of the 21st century on the other. These are the people

485
00:36:24.660 --> 00:36:31.100
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>who insist on singing the Lord's song in this strange land. They seem to recognize that

486
00:36:31.100 --> 00:36:33.100
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>it might well require different words.

487
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:39.580
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Perhaps they will sing a different tune, but they are determined to sing it because

488
00:36:39.580 --> 00:36:45.580
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>they are convinced of its truth, and they have a sense that it drives them deeper and

489
00:36:45.580 --> 00:36:54.340
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>deeper into their humanity. And perhaps that is where they find God. They intend to be

490
00:36:54.340 --> 00:37:01.040
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>believers, and they intend to live with integrity in the real world. They are the ones who have

491
00:37:01.040 --> 00:37:02.000
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>entered the exile.

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00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:03.520
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The world is full of people who are not willing to give up their lives for the sake of God.

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00:37:03.520 --> 00:37:09.360
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And who now join me in the call for a new and radical reformation of the Christian faith.

494
00:37:10.660 --> 00:37:16.620
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Change or die is the choice that faces Christianity in this postmodern world.

495
00:37:18.820 --> 00:37:24.880
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Enter a reformation that will be so radical it will make the reformation of the 16th century

496
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>look like a mother's union tea party, or prepare to watch Christianity vanish from the face of the earth.

497
00:37:33.500 --> 00:37:45.220
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And with it, that sense that life is holy, that love is eternal, and that being is that to which we are called.

498
00:37:46.800 --> 00:38:01.700
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Exile means that God grows, or God dies. The reformation, it seems to me, is the only chance we have to enable God to grow nationwide.

499
00:38:01.700 --> 00:38:07.880
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>beyond the debilitating boundaries that traditional Christianity has erected.

500
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:13.340
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We enter this reformation by means of a surgical procedure.

501
00:38:14.340 --> 00:38:20.360
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We must separate the God experience, which continues for me to be real and eternal,

502
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:26.880
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>from the God explanations of the past, which are transitory and fleeting,

503
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:31.680
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>even though we have pretended that they are eternal.

504
00:38:32.700 --> 00:38:39.840
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We discharge these dated and inept explanations of God as no longer applicable to our world.

505
00:38:40.980 --> 00:38:48.920
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>This means that we must be prepared to dispense many of the symbols by which we once explained our faith,

506
00:38:49.900 --> 00:38:56.520
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>things such as virgin births, miracles, physical resuscitation,

507
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:59.100
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and cosmic ascensions.

508
00:39:00.080 --> 00:39:07.000
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We will not, however, dispense with the God experience that forced our ancestors in faith,

509
00:39:07.220 --> 00:39:12.620
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>living as they were in the first century, to create these explanatory traditions

510
00:39:12.620 --> 00:39:20.900
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>as the only way they had to describe the experience that was powerful, real, and transforming.

511
00:39:21.900 --> 00:39:26.840
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And their explanatory traditions have lived for almost...

512
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>2000 years.

513
00:39:31.200 --> 00:39:32.440
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>In these explanations,

514
00:39:33.660 --> 00:39:38.700
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>we have been carried beyond our traditional definitions of God

515
00:39:39.560 --> 00:39:41.520
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>into the meaning of the God experience.

516
00:39:42.560 --> 00:39:48.880
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>That's what we must look for in the claim that we Christians continue to make for Jesus of Nazareth.

517
00:39:49.660 --> 00:39:53.160
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We must now move beyond the claims of yesterday,

518
00:39:54.340 --> 00:39:56.220
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>seeking that sense of the holy,

519
00:39:56.880 --> 00:40:02.240
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>which cannot be contained inside the traditional definitions of God,

520
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:04.440
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the theistic God.

521
00:40:05.560 --> 00:40:09.260
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We must seek a God who is found in the depths of life,

522
00:40:10.300 --> 00:40:12.600
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>a God who is met in the power of love,

523
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:16.720
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>a God who is experienced as the ground of being.

524
00:40:17.660 --> 00:40:23.540
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We seek an understanding of divinity that can be located in the humanity of the Christ,

525
00:40:24.220 --> 00:40:26.860
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>whom we assert was one in whom the Holy Spirit was born.

526
00:40:26.860 --> 00:40:30.140
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And the life of God, the love of God, and the being of God

527
00:40:30.140 --> 00:40:33.060
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>erupted in a new kind of personhood,

528
00:40:34.100 --> 00:40:36.580
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>a new example of what it means to be human.

529
00:40:38.100 --> 00:40:40.960
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We seek a new sense of human completion in this Jesus

530
00:40:41.860 --> 00:40:46.280
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that will carry us far beyond the traditional religious concepts of atonement,

531
00:40:46.820 --> 00:40:50.200
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>where guilty people are washed so that they can be at one with God,

532
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:56.280
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>based as those doctrines of atonement are on human sacrifice and blood offerings.

533
00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.540
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We look to this divine presence not for rescue,

534
00:41:01.540 --> 00:41:04.500
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>carried out by a theistic visitor in human form,

535
00:41:04.660 --> 00:41:06.420
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>as the old mythology suggested,

536
00:41:07.380 --> 00:41:10.960
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>but for a human being who achieves a divine life

537
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:12.840
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>by living fully,

538
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:15.260
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>by loving wastefully,

539
00:41:16.040 --> 00:41:19.960
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and by daring to be all that he was intended to be.

540
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:26.460
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>His life is one in whom humanity is seen to expand

541
00:41:26.860 --> 00:41:32.820
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>to leap beyond the barriers of our self-centered, survival-oriented human nature.

542
00:41:34.200 --> 00:41:36.000
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We thus seek in this Jesus

543
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the power to enable us to be ourselves,

544
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>to live out a new humanity

545
00:41:41.860 --> 00:41:46.800
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that has moved beyond our need for a defining tribal identity,

546
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:49.260
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>beyond our prejudices,

547
00:41:50.140 --> 00:41:51.780
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>beyond our gender distinctions,

548
00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:53.640
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>beyond even our religions,

549
00:41:54.660 --> 00:41:56.400
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>into a new dimension of humanity.

550
00:41:57.540 --> 00:41:58.220
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>A new humanity

551
00:41:58.220 --> 00:42:00.580
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>claiming full self-consciousness

552
00:42:00.580 --> 00:42:05.740
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and simultaneously celebrating a new human maturity.

553
00:42:07.340 --> 00:42:10.020
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Paul Tillich called that the new being

554
00:42:10.860 --> 00:42:12.900
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that revels in the realization

555
00:42:12.900 --> 00:42:15.480
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that we are now co-creators with God

556
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>of our own evolutionary journey.

557
00:42:17.660 --> 00:42:20.880
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We have to become grown-up human beings.

558
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We will then be free to rejoice in our human achievements

559
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:26.760
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and seek to build,

560
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>build monuments to our humanity.

561
00:42:29.260 --> 00:42:31.680
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Monuments that lift our spirits,

562
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:34.680
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>monuments in music, art, drama, architecture,

563
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:35.920
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>novels, science,

564
00:42:36.140 --> 00:42:39.600
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and yes, even monuments in religion.

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00:42:41.700 --> 00:42:44.680
<v Speaker 3>We will then be able to claim our secular achievements,

566
00:42:46.080 --> 00:42:48.280
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>democracy, the end of racism,

567
00:42:48.580 --> 00:42:50.400
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>equality for women,

568
00:42:50.540 --> 00:42:53.460
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>acceptance of people who are different

569
00:42:53.460 --> 00:42:55.980
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>in all of the diversity of our humanity,

570
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and we will see these not as secular enemies

571
00:42:59.680 --> 00:43:01.000
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>of the Christian gospel,

572
00:43:01.740 --> 00:43:04.880
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>but the legacy of a transformed Christianity.

573
00:43:05.980 --> 00:43:09.300
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We will view our childlike faith of yesterday

574
00:43:09.300 --> 00:43:12.600
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>as a necessary step in our human development,

575
00:43:13.380 --> 00:43:15.760
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>not one to be spat upon or denigrated,

576
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:19.220
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>but also not one any longer to be allowed

577
00:43:19.220 --> 00:43:21.060
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>to impede our progress.

578
00:43:22.020 --> 00:43:25.120
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We will view the dark side of our humanity

579
00:43:25.120 --> 00:43:26.840
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and the dark side of our society

580
00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:27.640
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and the dark side of human history

581
00:43:28.720 --> 00:43:32.780
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>as the tragic manifestations of our unfinished humanity,

582
00:43:33.160 --> 00:43:35.640
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>not our fallen and distorted humanity.

583
00:43:37.200 --> 00:43:40.580
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We will move beyond survival as our chief value

584
00:43:40.580 --> 00:43:45.120
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and accept our vocation to be responsible stewards

585
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>of our limited earthly resources,

586
00:43:48.200 --> 00:43:51.020
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>capping population growth

587
00:43:51.980 --> 00:43:54.400
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>to ensure a quality of life for all.

588
00:43:54.900 --> 00:43:56.820
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We will see as a driving force,

589
00:43:56.820 --> 00:43:58.600
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>as a driving motivator of human values,

590
00:43:59.520 --> 00:44:01.280
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the necessity of building peace,

591
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:04.200
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>peace not based upon power,

592
00:44:05.200 --> 00:44:07.140
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>but peace based upon justice.

593
00:44:08.180 --> 00:44:10.660
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>We will recognize that the world's wealth

594
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>cannot be hoarded into the hands of the few,

595
00:44:14.940 --> 00:44:17.380
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>but that the gap must be narrowed

596
00:44:17.380 --> 00:44:19.960
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>between the wealthy and the poor.

597
00:44:21.180 --> 00:44:23.240
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>A new humanity cannot be built

598
00:44:23.240 --> 00:44:25.120
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>with half of the world dieting

599
00:44:25.120 --> 00:44:26.800
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and the other half of the world dieting.

600
00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:26.820
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The world's wealth cannot be built

601
00:44:26.820 --> 00:44:27.960
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>with half of the world starving.

602
00:44:29.020 --> 00:44:33.620
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Then, perhaps, we will be able to see and discover

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>in the human Jesus

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00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:39.500
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that it is only in full humanity

605
00:44:39.500 --> 00:44:44.060
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that God's very nature is ever revealed.

606
00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:47.380
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>As Jesus was fully human,

607
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>he made the reality of God fully available.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>God was in Christ.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>That was the ecstatic moment, the moment of the world,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the nationwide

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>barrier that separated male from female, defining one as superior and the other as inferior.

612
00:45:35.240 --> 00:45:39.840
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>God was present in Jesus' ability to step beyond his own religious boundaries,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>beyond those human attempts to bind that which is holy into a new and imperialistic religious system.

614
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The question before us in this generation is can we self-conscious human creatures

615
00:45:56.520 --> 00:46:04.860
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>enter this kind of humanity, celebrate this kind of maturity, and can we find the holy God within it?

616
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:11.460
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Can we discover that we achieve divinity only by becoming more fully human?

617
00:46:12.080 --> 00:46:18.000
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Can we share in the divine work of creation by becoming the agents,

618
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the agents of life to all the world?

619
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Can we share in the work of a transforming Savior by loving beyond all of our fearful barriers,

620
00:46:28.700 --> 00:46:29.800
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>loving wastefully?

621
00:46:30.460 --> 00:46:35.180
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Can we share in the spirit-filled task of expanding human limits

622
00:46:35.180 --> 00:46:38.900
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>by demonstrating the courage to be ourselves

623
00:46:38.900 --> 00:46:45.320
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and by enabling everyone to become all that that person was destined to be?

624
00:46:45.640 --> 00:46:48.080
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>If we can do that, that is where,

625
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I believe, we will find God in the 21st century,

626
00:46:52.060 --> 00:46:56.440
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the God that was still present in the life of Jesus of Nazareth.

627
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>This is how the Christ can still be served beyond the limits of our intellectual revolution.

628
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:10.060
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>That revolution has submerged the religious explanations of yesterday into a sea of irrelevance,

629
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>but it has also finally enabled the experience of God

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>as an emerging presence in this world.

631
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>To be seen by a new generation,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>to move both the church and the world in these directions,

633
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>will be the goals of the new reformation.

634
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Is such a vision so foreign,

635
00:47:34.720 --> 00:47:37.680
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>so far removed from the roots of our faith

636
00:47:37.680 --> 00:47:41.220
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>as to be unconnected to our religious symbols of yesterday?

637
00:47:42.520 --> 00:47:47.840
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>That will be what the religious world of the past will claim when they hear these things.

638
00:47:48.680 --> 00:47:50.300
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>But I think they are wrong.

639
00:47:51.860 --> 00:47:58.080
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>But this is far removed from the way we have literalized the symbols of our religious past.

640
00:47:59.220 --> 00:48:00.960
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And yet I remind us all

641
00:48:01.820 --> 00:48:05.260
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that the Christ who stands at the heart of our faith story

642
00:48:06.040 --> 00:48:08.820
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>was quoted by the author of the fourth gospel

643
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>as having said,

644
00:48:10.700 --> 00:48:13.460
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I have come for one purpose only.

645
00:48:14.200 --> 00:48:16.340
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I have come that you might have life

646
00:48:16.980 --> 00:48:18.180
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and that you might be saved.

647
00:48:18.180 --> 00:48:19.420
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And that you might have it abundantly.

648
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:22.100
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>That is all that I am saying today.

649
00:48:22.720 --> 00:48:25.260
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The God who is seen in the Christ figure

650
00:48:25.260 --> 00:48:26.860
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>is the giver of life,

651
00:48:27.080 --> 00:48:30.840
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the source of the empowerment we need to discover

652
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:35.160
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>in ourselves this new and full humanity,

653
00:48:35.460 --> 00:48:40.320
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the order to become that which we are capable of being

654
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:42.280
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>but have never yet achieved.

655
00:48:42.980 --> 00:48:45.820
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The task of the Christian church of the future

656
00:48:45.820 --> 00:48:49.820
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>is nothing less than that of calling the whole world

657
00:48:49.820 --> 00:48:51.780
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>into these new possibilities.

658
00:48:52.520 --> 00:48:56.800
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The goal of the reformation is to enable all people to live fully,

659
00:48:56.920 --> 00:48:58.800
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>to love wastefully,

660
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:01.920
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and to be all that each of us can be

661
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:05.480
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>in the infinite variety of our own humanity.

662
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:09.880
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I look at the Christian church as it is today,

663
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:12.600
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>declining in numbers,

664
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>declining in integrity,

665
00:49:16.340 --> 00:49:19.920
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>beset by divisions based on tribe and history,

666
00:49:20.680 --> 00:49:24.660
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>infected with lingering prejudices against people of color,

667
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:26.080
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>against women,

668
00:49:26.340 --> 00:49:28.440
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>against homosexuals,

669
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:33.280
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and against other pathways that other people have walked to find the holy God.

670
00:49:34.020 --> 00:49:37.760
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I look at this church with its Christ all but hidden

671
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:41.940
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>behind the walls of doctrine and dogma and dying traditions,

672
00:49:42.820 --> 00:49:45.120
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and I say for the sake of the God

673
00:49:45.120 --> 00:49:46.500
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>whom I believe is real,

674
00:49:46.660 --> 00:49:51.100
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and for the sake of the Christ whom I believe made this God known,

675
00:49:51.780 --> 00:49:57.040
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and for the sake of the new humanity that is even now beginning to be born,

676
00:49:58.120 --> 00:49:59.960
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>let the reformation begin.

677
00:50:00.860 --> 00:50:02.480
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Thank you very much.

678
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<v Chair>Ladies and gentlemen, Jack's been very disciplined

679
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<v Chair>and saved us some time for some questions.

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<v Chair>If you have any questions or responses,

681
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<v Chair>is there a microphone available for questions?

682
00:50:53.420 --> 00:50:56.380
<v Chair>Okay, if you'd like to indicate if you have a question,

683
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<v Chair>and I'll identify you.

684
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<v Chair>So I have one in the middle here.

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<v Speaker 4>Bishop Spong, it seems to me that it's certainly the case

686
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<v Speaker 4>that you can coherently and therefore with integrity

687
00:51:12.160 --> 00:51:15.100
<v Speaker 4>remain a Christian whilst still being a Christian.

688
00:51:15.100 --> 00:51:15.660
<v Speaker 4>So you're saying that you're not rejecting the Christian faith

689
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<v Speaker 4>whilst rejecting much of what the churches have traditionally taught,

690
00:51:23.620 --> 00:51:35.000
<v Speaker 4>and indeed that one can do so whilst attributing to Jesus errors of belief,

691
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<v Speaker 4>in other words,

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<v Speaker 4>but because he was fully a man of his time, albeit, one might say, transcending it in various ways.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's not a threat to being a Christian to say, well, Jesus had false beliefs about cosmology.

694
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<v Speaker 4>He had the beliefs of his day.

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00:51:53.000 --> 00:52:03.420
<v Speaker 4>Where it seems to me that one gets into deep trouble if one wants to be a Christian of integrity,

696
00:52:03.420 --> 00:52:14.460
<v Speaker 4>with coherence and therefore with integrity, is if one has to attribute to Jesus grievous moral defects.

697
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<v Speaker 4>And let me put it to you that prima facie, and I emphasize that phrase, prima facie, one does.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me mention one, just one.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>For the sake of time, try to get to the question.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, sure.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

702
00:52:34.200 --> 00:52:40.040
<v Speaker 4>The teaching that is attributed in the Gospels to Jesus concerning hell.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, it seems to me there are two possible solutions.

704
00:52:45.040 --> 00:52:51.980
<v Speaker 4>One is one can say that these teachings were invented by the church and didn't originate with Jesus.

705
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Try to get to the question.

706
00:52:53.660 --> 00:52:54.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I will.

707
00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:54.960
<v Speaker 4>I am.

708
00:52:55.080 --> 00:53:00.980
<v Speaker 4>But one needs good reasons for making that claim.

709
00:53:01.240 --> 00:53:03.400
<v Speaker 4>The other is to say...

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<v Speaker 4>I am.

711
00:53:03.660 --> 00:53:08.560
<v Speaker 4>...that these were metaphors that the church has misinterpreted, but it's not sufficient

712
00:53:08.560 --> 00:53:11.500
<v Speaker 4>to merely spiritualize eternal torments.

713
00:53:11.680 --> 00:53:13.060
<v Speaker 4>What is your solution?

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<v Chair>Yeah, okay.

715
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I mean, many people have asked questions...

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<v Chair>I'll try.

717
00:53:16.700 --> 00:53:18.720
<v Chair>I think your question is clear enough now.

718
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:19.520
<v Chair>Thank you very much.

719
00:53:19.860 --> 00:53:20.300
<v Chair>Jack.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>It's a good question.

721
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>When we got there.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The first thing that I think you need to recognize is that the New Testament...

723
00:53:33.280 --> 00:53:33.400
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The New Testament is a very important book.

724
00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:38.000
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The New Testament did not drop out of heaven fully written, developed into chapters and

725
00:53:38.000 --> 00:53:40.260
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>verses and in the King James English.

726
00:53:42.120 --> 00:53:48.140
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The New Testament came into being the same way every other book comes into being, with

727
00:53:48.140 --> 00:53:51.160
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>human beings trying to make sense out of their God experience.

728
00:53:52.940 --> 00:53:56.480
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The first writer of the New Testament was Paul.

729
00:53:56.580 --> 00:53:58.280
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>He wrote between 40 and 64.

730
00:54:00.040 --> 00:54:02.820
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>There is no concept of a...

731
00:54:02.820 --> 00:54:04.800
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Hell in Paul.

732
00:54:05.580 --> 00:54:12.260
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>There is only a sense that life is available to us in Christ and apart from that Christ,

733
00:54:12.420 --> 00:54:17.760
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>by which Paul would mean the God experience, there is no ultimate meaning for life.

734
00:54:18.720 --> 00:54:24.960
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The Gospels don't come into being until the years between 70 and 100, or 40 to 70 years

735
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>after the earthly life of Jesus came to an end.

736
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:32.320
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The Gospels reflect a lot of the issues that are present.

737
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:32.800
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>They are not just the

738
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Gospels that are present in the history of the world.

739
00:54:35.140 --> 00:54:39.420
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>They are the Gospels that are shaped as much by the destruction of the city of Jerusalem

740
00:54:40.160 --> 00:54:46.060
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>by the Roman army in the year 70 as they were by any event that took place in the historic

741
00:54:46.060 --> 00:54:47.720
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>life of the historic Jesus.

742
00:54:48.740 --> 00:54:53.020
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>So the church is trying to define itself as it walked through that period of history.

743
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>The thing that impresses me about the Jesus portrait, and I like the word portrait particularly,

744
00:55:01.980 --> 00:55:02.800
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>because I think it's a very important thing.

745
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:07.940
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I think what you have in the four Gospels are four portraits painted by Jewish artists

746
00:55:08.640 --> 00:55:12.620
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>trying to capture the meaning that they found in Jesus of Nazareth.

747
00:55:12.820 --> 00:55:17.140
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And I think if we would read the Gospels as portraits instead of as a series of photographs

748
00:55:17.140 --> 00:55:21.780
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>or tape recordings, we would come a lot closer to understanding what it was all about.

749
00:55:22.720 --> 00:55:28.320
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>But I see Jesus as one who steps across the boundaries of his humanity.

750
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I see him primarily as a barrier breaker, a boundary breaker.

751
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And I tried to illustrate some of those in my presentation.

752
00:55:38.160 --> 00:55:43.260
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>He stepped across the boundary of tribal identity by which we try to make ourselves secure.

753
00:55:44.300 --> 00:55:50.100
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>He stepped beyond the boundary of prejudices by which we try to define ourselves as superior

754
00:55:50.100 --> 00:55:51.000
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>to someone else.

755
00:55:51.680 --> 00:55:58.600
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>He stepped beyond the boundary of gender identification whereby males have created a world in which

756
00:55:58.600 --> 00:56:01.340
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>women were reduced to being the servants of the males.

757
00:56:02.120 --> 00:56:02.780
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And he stood on the other side of the line.

758
00:56:02.800 --> 00:56:07.780
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And perhaps most profoundly, he stepped across the boundaries of his own religious tradition

759
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>into a new kind of expression.

760
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Remember that he was not terribly popular with the religious authorities of his day.

761
00:56:18.300 --> 00:56:22.320
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Had he lived in Australia, he might have been banned from Brisbane.

762
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>So, I'm not interested in trying to sort of make judgments on the basis of that New Testament

763
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>record so much as I am trying to get to the core of the experience that was present in

764
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>this Jesus that called him and those of us who walk in him beyond the boundaries of our

765
00:56:50.620 --> 00:56:52.300
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>survival-oriented religion.

766
00:56:52.300 --> 00:56:57.380
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I'm interested in the self-centered humanity that results from our evolutionary journey

767
00:56:57.380 --> 00:57:03.140
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>through four billion years into what I think humanity might yet be capable of becoming.

768
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Let me recognize the gentleman at the microphone, but let me suggest that I have a rule about

769
00:57:12.060 --> 00:57:12.560
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>questions.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I didn't have three rules.

771
00:57:15.100 --> 00:57:19.220
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>One is that they really do need to be questions and not speeches, and what do you think about

772
00:57:19.220 --> 00:57:19.480
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that?

773
00:57:20.140 --> 00:57:22.280
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And the second rule is that we need to be able to understand the world.

774
00:57:24.500 --> 00:57:29.400
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And the third rule is that I want to practice gender balance.

775
00:57:29.580 --> 00:57:35.380
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I want every other question to come from a woman, and I am quite willing to sit in Quaker-like

776
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>silence until women approach the microphone.

777
00:57:47.060 --> 00:57:52.060
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And after I recognize you, we will have three women in a row.

778
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Do you have any questions?

779
00:57:52.300 --> 00:57:53.160
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I'm going to ask you a question, just to create balance.

780
00:57:53.500 --> 00:57:54.160
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Yes, sir.

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00:57:56.200 --> 00:57:56.900
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Go ahead.

782
00:57:59.520 --> 00:58:01.420
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>He has deferred to you.

783
00:58:01.480 --> 00:58:02.040
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>That's wonderful.

784
00:58:02.200 --> 00:58:02.800
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I'm very gracious.

785
00:58:02.980 --> 00:58:03.440
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>I have some understanding of your idea of prayer as being about doing, and I share that

787
00:58:17.600 --> 00:58:18.260
<v Speaker 5>belief as well.

788
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<v Speaker 5>But I also think that there's a place for being and for meditation.

789
00:58:22.120 --> 00:58:22.280
<v Speaker 5>I think that there's a place for being and for meditation.

790
00:58:22.300 --> 00:58:24.880
<v Speaker 5>I think that there's a place for being and for meditation as part of our prayerful experience.

791
00:58:25.060 --> 00:58:31.160
<v Speaker 5>I just wondered if you could speak a little about your experience of the process of prayer

792
00:58:31.160 --> 00:58:38.500
<v Speaker 5>and of your experience of that and what the purpose of prayer is for you.

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00:58:38.520 --> 00:58:39.300
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I'd be glad to try.

794
00:58:41.220 --> 00:58:47.320
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I write about that subject all the time because it is such a profound part of my life and

795
00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:49.540
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>it is so difficult to communicate in a few sentences.

796
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I pray every Sunday.

797
00:58:52.300 --> 00:58:53.020
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I pray every day of my life.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I had a habit of many years duration where I would rise at 6 o'clock in the morning and

799
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>spend the first two hours of that day in prayer, in Bible study, in contemplation, going over

800
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the things that I was going to be doing during the day and invoking the presence of God into

801
00:59:16.300 --> 00:59:17.140
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>those activities.

802
00:59:18.040 --> 00:59:22.220
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And for years I thought that that was my holy time of prayer.

803
00:59:22.300 --> 00:59:29.440
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>In America, the head of the Crystal Cathedral in California might have called it my hour

804
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>of power.

805
00:59:30.420 --> 00:59:31.780
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>He likes that phrase.

806
00:59:32.540 --> 00:59:34.680
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Or maybe my two hours of power.

807
00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:37.920
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I've changed the way I view that.

808
00:59:37.980 --> 00:59:41.240
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I still do it, but I changed the way I view that.

809
00:59:42.500 --> 00:59:50.320
<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I now see the other 22 hours of the day as the time when I am praying and I see those

810
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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>two hours of the day as the time when I am praying.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I now see the other 22 hours of the day as the time when I am preparing to live out the

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>meaning of prayer.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Now I don't even like the word prayer anymore because prayer is so corrupted by our language.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>It's corrupted by that sense that we are petitioners and that God is the petitioned one.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I think so many of our prayers today sound like adult letters to Santa Claus.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Dear Santa, I've been a good boy.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Please do A, B, C, and D for me.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And I'm not quite sure that's the way it works.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I'm not quite sure that's the way it works.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>So, I would like to borrow some words from the mystical tradition.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Words like meditation, words like contemplation, words like sitting self-consciously inside

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the reality of that experience of the Divine and then trying to live out of that in all

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>of the rest of one's life and the rest of one's day.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>That's what Paul means, I think, when he said, we ought to pray without ceasing.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>He certainly didn't mean we were to say prayers without ceasing.

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<v Chair>ceasing. And so I'd like to sort of put that out. Now let me say just one other thing and then

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>commend you to some more exhaustive treatments of this subject. I think that we will learn in

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the next hundred years that human life is deeply and radically interconnected. I think we will

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>learn that we can communicate. Sounds sort of spooky to begin to say this, but I think we can,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>we will learn that we can begin to communicate quite apart from telephones and various other

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>ways that we have of being in touch with one another. I think there is such a thing as energy

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that flows from one life to another. When I was an active bishop, I could walk down the aisle of my

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>140 churches and I could almost feel the pockets of

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>nationwide nationwide nationwide

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the love or hostility on each side of the aisle as I walked through it. I think that there is

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>enormous energy in our thought processes, and we've only just begun to scratch the surface of

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>what that means. Now, if that's so, then I think it's a fact of human experience that loved people

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>get well better than unloved people. Loved people live longer than unloved people.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>You've got to be careful when you play that game, but I think that that's a fact.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>So I see nothing wrong with suggesting that when someone near and dear to us is ill,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>that we surround that person with all of the loving energy that we have, and that we allow

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>some sense of God's presence to be working through that energy, so that that's another

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>aspect of prayer. There are many others, but I think that I just can't go into them anymore

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>at this point, but thank you for your question, and now we'll take a true gentleman.

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<v Chair>In fact, we might need to wind it up, unfortunately. An hour is way too short for us.

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<v Speaker 3>My question is quite short.

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<v Speaker 5>Sorry, one question? Okay.

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<v Chair>The problem is my answer might not be, but go ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>What was the God experience of the Sprangler and Kramer, the authors of the Malleus Maleficarum,

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<v Speaker 3>which is the handbook of questions and tortures, to be used by the best legal minds in the witch

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<v Speaker 3>hunt trials, which lasted 600 years?

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<v Speaker 3>From 1234 to 1836. What was their God experience? It wasn't love, if you read the Malleus Maleficarum.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought you said that'd be a brief question.

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<v Speaker 3>There will also have to be a very brief answer.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I don't know that I can say. I think the one thing that we have to always say is that it

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>is not just enough to assert that I have a God experience.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>If that God experience issues in life, you might want to trust it. If it issues in death,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I think you ought to raise some questions about it.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>There are an awful lot of people who, in the name of God, have done dreadful things to

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>other human beings.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>So I think you've got to look at every God experience and raise the question as to whether

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>this is delusional, whether it is psychotic, neurotic, or any of the other things. The

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>only way I know that it is delusional is to ask God, and that's the only way I know that it is delusional.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I think the only way I know to do that is to take the biblical test that a tree's fruit

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>is known, or a tree's worth is known, by the fruit that it produces.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>When one's religion produces life and tolerance and love and joy and peace and the affirmation

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>of people who are different, then I think you might trust that to be an authentic God

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>experience.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>When one's God experience produces hostility and hatred and rejection and hatred and hatred,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and submergence of the worth of other human beings who are different, then I think you

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>ought to raise the question as to whether that's a demonic spirit or a neurotic spirit

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>or a delusional spirit.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>It's not easy to take one's Christian faith and to wrap it up into simple solutions and

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>propositions and tie a bonnet on it and say, this is all you need to do. I think what you

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>do every day is to take the Bible and the Bible itself and say, this is all you need

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>to do.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Understand?

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Billy Graham, neither can the Ayatollah Khomeini. No human being can ever tell another human being

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>what God is like. That's beyond our capacity. All I can do, all anybody can do, is to tell you

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>how I experience God. And then that experience has to be questioned as to whether it's delusional

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>or something with integrity. But let me just share what my God experience is briefly.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I experience God as the source of all life, all life. And if God is the source of all life,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I worship God by living fully and by trying to be an agent through which other people live fully. I

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>experience God as the source of all love, and I mean all love. Everything from the mama cat licking

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>the fur of the newborn kitten to the kind of love that you and I share with our most treasured

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>partner. I see God, I experience God as the source of love. And if I experience God as the source of

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>love, then the only way I can worship God is by loving wastefully, wastefully. And I serve that

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>God by enabling others to become wasteful lovers. And I experience God as the ground of all being,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>a phrase I borrow from Paul Tillich, a great shaper of my early theological life.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>That's a difficult phrase, but when we translate it, if God is the ground of all being,

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>then I worship God by having the courage to be everything that I am capable of being

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>and by working to enable others to be all that they can be. And I'm a Christian because

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>when I look at Jesus of Nazareth, I see the life of God fully lived. I see the love of God

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>wastefully shared.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>I see one who was capable of being all that he was created and destined to be.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>And so I look at that life and say, God was in that Christ. And I want that God presence in me

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>so that I can be an agent of life, an agent of love, and an agent of being to every person

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>in this world. That's what I think the Christianity of the future has got to be.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Thank you so much for being with me today.

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<v Bishop Shelby Spong>Thank you, Fred.

