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<v Robert Finnian>Welcome to this session of the Adelaide Festival of Ideas.

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<v Robert Finnian>My name is Robert Fittian. I teach English up at Flinders University and have been on the

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<v Robert Finnian>organising committee of this festival for the last two years, to my delight,

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<v Robert Finnian>particularly in the last couple of days. And it's my pleasure today to be introducing Regina Schwartz.

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<v Robert Finnian>Literary and biblical studies come from the same route, really, that route being the careful study

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<v Robert Finnian>of the words, studying words because they matter. And Regina has grafted those two branches,

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<v Robert Finnian>literary and biblical studies, back together in her work. She's Professor of English and Religion

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<v Robert Finnian>at Northwestern University and the Director of the Chicago Institute of Religion, Ethics and

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<v Robert Finnian>Violence. She has written books on literary and biblical, books and articles on literary

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<v Robert Finnian>and biblical subjects from the

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<v Robert Finnian>the work of the great 17th century epic poet John Milton,

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<v Robert Finnian>through to her most recent book is called The Curse of Cain,

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<v Robert Finnian>The Violent Legacy of Monotheism,

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<v Robert Finnian>which is on the Hebrew Testament of the Bible.

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<v Robert Finnian>So Regina shows a strong sense of how words and stories,

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<v Robert Finnian>she knows that words and stories shape our individual and group identities,

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<v Robert Finnian>how they predict our violence and conflict,

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<v Robert Finnian>and how they allow us to imagine others as not entirely human.

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<v Robert Finnian>The Curse of Cain speaks particularly to the problem of national identity and genocide.

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<v Robert Finnian>It also speaks, to my delight, to the deep themes of this festival.

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<v Robert Finnian>The deep themes of this festival, although it may not be exceedingly obvious to you,

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<v Robert Finnian>have been scarcity and abundance.

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<v Robert Finnian>That has been our sort of organising principle.

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<v Robert Finnian>And from the preface to The Curse of Cain,

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<v Robert Finnian>I shall quote, because that's what English lecturers do,

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<v Robert Finnian>we steal other people's words,

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<v Robert Finnian>and Regina writes,

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<v Robert Finnian>But why the violence?

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<v Robert Finnian>Why is claiming a distinctive collective identity important enough to spawn violence?

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<v Robert Finnian>I found an answer to this question in a principle of scarcity

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<v Robert Finnian>that pervades most thinking about identity.

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<v Robert Finnian>When everything is in short supply,

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<v Robert Finnian>it must be all competed for,

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<v Robert Finnian>land, prosperity, favour, even identity itself.

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<v Robert Finnian>And here I imagine she's thinking particularly of the Middle East,

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<v Robert Finnian>of biblical times where different people were competing for those things,

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<v Robert Finnian>and still are.

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<v Robert Finnian>In many biblical narratives she goes on,

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<v Robert Finnian>the one God is not imagined as infinitely giving,

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<v Robert Finnian>but strangely withholding.

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<v Robert Finnian>So there's that strange reversal through God's work that she's thinking of.

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<v Robert Finnian>She goes on to mention the glimpses of monotheistic plenitude,

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<v Robert Finnian>instead of scarcity.

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<v Robert Finnian>Plenitude, fullness.

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<v Robert Finnian>But then returns at the end of this paragraph to the idea

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<v Robert Finnian>that scarcity is encoded in the Bible as a principle of oneness.

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<v Robert Finnian>One land, one people, one nation.

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<v Robert Finnian>And in monotheistic thinking, one deity.

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<v Robert Finnian>It becomes a demand of exclusive allegiance

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<v Robert Finnian>that threatens with the violence of exclusivity,

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<v Robert Finnian>and it's violence of exclusion

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<v Robert Finnian>that I think we'll be talking about today.

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<v Robert Finnian>She concludes,

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<v Robert Finnian>when that thinking is translated into secular formations about peoples,

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<v Robert Finnian>one nation under God becomes less comforting than threatening.

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<v Robert Finnian>One nation under God,

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<v Robert Finnian>referring, I understand, to a nation that exists between Canada and Mexico,

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<v Robert Finnian>on the North American continent.

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<v Robert Finnian>So today she's going to expand on these ideas,

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<v Robert Finnian>on holy terror and the links between religion and violence.

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<v Robert Finnian>Regina Schwartz.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Thank you very much,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and thanks very much to the organizers of the conference

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<v Regina Schwartz>for including me in this fascinating event.

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<v Regina Schwartz>I've been teaching the Bible for 20 years in different contexts now,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and I should confess that there are days

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<v Regina Schwartz>when teaching the Bible is not as important as it is now.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Teaching the Bible makes you feel like a prophet.

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<v Regina Schwartz>You're slow of speech, like Moses.

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<v Regina Schwartz>You want to escape to the ends of the earth

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<v Regina Schwartz>rather than convey certain messages, like Jonah.

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<v Regina Schwartz>You feel alone, like Amos,

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<v Regina Schwartz>who was not in one of the professional bands of prophets,

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<v Regina Schwartz>especially if you're in a secular university

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<v Regina Schwartz>interpreting the Bible without the authorization of a church community.

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<v Regina Schwartz>And you feel persecuted by everyone,

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<v Regina Schwartz>by those who think you ought to be teaching the canon of Western religion,

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<v Regina Schwartz>rather than the Bible,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and by those who wonder why you aren't doing something hip

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<v Regina Schwartz>and non-canonical rather than the Bible.

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<v Regina Schwartz>So in general, you often wish you'd never been born,

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<v Regina Schwartz>like Jeremiah.

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<v Regina Schwartz>But there are also days when you do feel inspired,

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<v Regina Schwartz>like the prophets.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Not because the word of God has been conveyed to you,

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<v Regina Schwartz>but because you have to rise to the challenge

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<v Regina Schwartz>of making the most familiar narratives of Western culture

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<v Regina Schwartz>stories like the creation,

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<v Regina Schwartz>the fall, and the flood,

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<v Regina Schwartz>unfamiliar to students,

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<v Regina Schwartz>so that they can see their wonder.

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<v Regina Schwartz>And because you must face the challenge of making unfamiliar stories,

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<v Regina Schwartz>stories like the rape of the concubine in Judges,

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<v Regina Schwartz>the slaughter of the Shechemites,

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<v Regina Schwartz>the horrific curses of Deuteronomy,

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<v Regina Schwartz>sound less strange and perhaps less troubling.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Amid all the vast variety of representations of God in the Bible,

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<v Regina Schwartz>one that emerged with attention to each narrative,

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<v Regina Schwartz>two basements,

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<v Regina Schwartz>two basic poles have emerged for me.

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<v Regina Schwartz>At one end of the spectrum,

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<v Regina Schwartz>God is depicted as infinitely charitable.

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<v Regina Schwartz>This is the abundance side of our conference.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Infinitely charitable,

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<v Regina Schwartz>infinitely giving,

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<v Regina Schwartz>In Exodus, for example,

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<v Regina Schwartz>the story of manna offers the depiction of God

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<v Regina Schwartz>raining food from the heavens,

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<v Regina Schwartz>enough for everyone.

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<v Regina Schwartz>The notion that some would want to hoard,

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<v Regina Schwartz>to take more than they need,

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<v Regina Schwartz>that schools the ancient Israelites

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<v Regina Schwartz>This is God's command.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Everyone must gather enough of it for his needs.

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<v Regina Schwartz>When they measured in an omer of what they'd gathered,

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<v Regina Schwartz>the man who had gathered more had not too much,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and the man who'd gathered less had not too little.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Each found he had gathered what he needed.

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<v Regina Schwartz>But the ancient Israelites' failure to accept this divine,

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<v Regina Schwartz>eventually engenders greed,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and they hoard their food,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and it rots.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Moses said to them,

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<v Regina Schwartz>no one must keep any of it for tomorrow.

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<v Regina Schwartz>But some would not listen,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and it bred maggots and smelt fowl,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and Moses was angry with them.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Despite all evidence to the contrary,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and they are asked to trust in a God

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<v Regina Schwartz>And they are asked to base their ethics

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<v Regina Schwartz>Reading selectively,

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<v Regina Schwartz>the way biblical interpretation has indeed always proceeded,

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<v Regina Schwartz>produces a Bible that can fit any particular agenda.

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<v Regina Schwartz>The manna story can offer up a vision of a generous, egalitarian God,

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<v Regina Schwartz>in Adelaide, I will make water flow.

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<v Regina Schwartz>revisits this motif of a miraculous generosity,

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<v Regina Schwartz>Even Jesus, who multiplied bread and fishes,

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<v Regina Schwartz>I was in the midst of a book about misuses of the Bible.

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<v Regina Schwartz>I read from pulpits of pro-slavery antebellum ministers

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<v Regina Schwartz>that a whole race of mankind was cursed by Noah

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<v Regina Schwartz>Unhappily, this reading has recently been revived

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<v Regina Schwartz>One minister writes alarmingly in his book

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<v Regina Schwartz>and Canaan's descendants were a cursed people.

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<v Regina Schwartz>He thinks Canaan's descendants are African Americans.

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<v Regina Schwartz>These are the sinful people living in the Promised Land

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<v Regina Schwartz>In Deuteronomy 7,

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<v Regina Schwartz>acting as pricks and as thorns.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Okay, historical history.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Historical examples of this kind of abuse of the scriptures are rife,

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<v Regina Schwartz>from the slaughter of Muslims by crusaders

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<v Regina Schwartz>to the slaughter of Anabaptists by less radical Protestants,

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<v Regina Schwartz>to hate crimes against gays by the Christian identity movement,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and I can go on and on.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Too often a people forges its collective identity negatively

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<v Regina Schwartz>and too easily us, as distinguished from them,

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<v Regina Schwartz>As Abraham Lincoln lamented in his second inaugural address,

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<v Regina Schwartz>both sides in the Civil War read the same Bible,

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<v Regina Schwartz>both pray to the same God,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and each invokes his aid against the other.

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<v Regina Schwartz>In the process of becoming preoccupied

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<v Regina Schwartz>people can end up compromising their religious ethics.

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<v Regina Schwartz>I am not the first to say this,

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<v Regina Schwartz>Jeremiah stood on the steps of the Temple of Jerusalem

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<v Regina Schwartz>when worshippers streamed past him

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<v Regina Schwartz>to warn them that their abuses of religion

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<v Regina Schwartz>and the worship of their fellow men

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<v Regina Schwartz>Erasmus was impatient that monks worried too much

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<v Regina Schwartz>and not enough about feeding the poor.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Matthew Arnold defined religion

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<v Regina Schwartz>as a heightened ethical sensibility,

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<v Regina Schwartz>so the idea of genocide in the name of God

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<v Regina Schwartz>could make no sense.

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<v Regina Schwartz>I wish that this were the whole story,

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<v Regina Schwartz>that frequent perversions of biblical narratives

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<v Regina Schwartz>have been deployed for causes of hatred and even genocide,

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<v Regina Schwartz>for those of us who love the Bible,

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<v Regina Schwartz>is terrible enough.

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<v Regina Schwartz>But after these 20 years of stressing

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<v Regina Schwartz>of allegorizing when I needed to

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<v Regina Schwartz>I was finally forced to confront the violence

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<v Regina Schwartz>depicted in some of its narratives,

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<v Regina Schwartz>prompted by a student who didn't think

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<v Regina Schwartz>I was telling the whole story

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<v Regina Schwartz>when I extolled the Exodus

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<v Regina Schwartz>as a magnificent myth of liberation

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<v Regina Schwartz>in contrast to many other foundational myths of conquest.

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<v Regina Schwartz>What about the Canaanites? he asked.

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<v Regina Schwartz>I can remember him just raising his hand.

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<v Regina Schwartz>He was a very young student.

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<v Regina Schwartz>What about the Canaanites?

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<v Regina Schwartz>And I've just been describing how great the Exodus is

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<v Regina Schwartz>that this is a God of liberation from slavery.

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<v Regina Schwartz>What about the Canaanites?

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<v Regina Schwartz>The conquered Canaanites is what he meant.

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<v Regina Schwartz>After that, I could not in all honesty

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<v Regina Schwartz>close my eyes to the violence I began seeing

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<v Regina Schwartz>in biblical narratives.

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<v Regina Schwartz>And so I embarked on what has been a painful journey

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<v Regina Schwartz>to come to terms with not only the narratives

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<v Regina Schwartz>that are a vital part of my own religious tradition,

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<v Regina Schwartz>but the roots of my imaginative life,

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<v Regina Schwartz>that is, the literature that I focus on,

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<v Regina Schwartz>is explicitly indebted to the Bible.

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<v Regina Schwartz>I discovered that while the Bible is indeed

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<v Regina Schwartz>a repository of inspiring ethics and hope,

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<v Regina Schwartz>that is not the whole story.

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<v Regina Schwartz>The other pole, the dark side of monotheism,

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<v Regina Schwartz>seems to cooperate with interpretations

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<v Regina Schwartz>of exclusion and intolerance.

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<v Regina Schwartz>In those stories, divine favor and blessings

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<v Regina Schwartz>are scarce and must be competed for,

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<v Regina Schwartz>inspiring deadly rivalries

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<v Regina Schwartz>like the first fratricide,

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<v Regina Schwartz>the story of Cain and Abel.

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<v Regina Schwartz>While centuries of Christian theology

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<v Regina Schwartz>is focused on the original sin of Adam and Eve,

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<v Regina Schwartz>I turned my attention to the next narrative in Genesis,

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<v Regina Schwartz>the story of Cain and Abel.

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<v Regina Schwartz>For in it, the first brothers commit the first murder,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and I see us as the heirs of Cain

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<v Regina Schwartz>because we continue to murder our brothers.

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<v Regina Schwartz>What disturbs me about the story

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<v Regina Schwartz>the very first brothers engaged in a deadly rivalry,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and I suppose sibling rivalry

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<v Regina Schwartz>does offer the virtue of realism,

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<v Regina Schwartz>why does it depict God as implicated in the problem

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<v Regina Schwartz>rather than solving it?

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<v Regina Schwartz>As you know, the story depicts both brothers

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<v Regina Schwartz>offering a sacrifice to God,

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<v Regina Schwartz>Abel from the flock and Cain from the soil.

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<v Regina Schwartz>But God looks inexplicably with favor

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<v Regina Schwartz>upon Abel and his offering,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and does not look with favor upon Cain and his.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Cain is devastated, of course,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and murders Abel in a jealous rage.

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<v Regina Schwartz>I couldn't help but wonder

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<v Regina Schwartz>what would have happened

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<v Regina Schwartz>if the story had described God

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<v Regina Schwartz>accepting both of their sacrifices,

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<v Regina Schwartz>thereby promoting cooperation

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<v Regina Schwartz>between the sower and the shepherd

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<v Regina Schwartz>instead of violent competition.

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<v Regina Schwartz>And then I noticed that this deeply troubling depiction of divinity

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<v Regina Schwartz>for God is depicted as playing favorites repeatedly,

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<v Regina Schwartz>with someone receiving his blessings

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<v Regina Schwartz>at someone else's expense.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Some are blessed, and some are cursed.

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<v Regina Schwartz>As a drunken Cassio puts it in Othello,

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<v Regina Schwartz>God's above all,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and there be souls that must be saved,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and there be souls must not be saved.

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<v Regina Schwartz>In the story of Jacob and Esau,

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<v Regina Schwartz>after Jacob steals his elder brother's blessing,

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<v Regina Schwartz>the unsuspecting Esau approaches his father

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<v Regina Schwartz>to ask for his blessing,

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<v Regina Schwartz>only to learn that because his younger brother

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<v Regina Schwartz>has already been blessed,

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<v Regina Schwartz>there is no blessing left for him.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Here's the narrative.

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<v Regina Schwartz>When Esau heard his father's words,

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<v Regina Schwartz>he burst out with a loud and bitter cry

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<v Regina Schwartz>and said to his father,

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<v Regina Schwartz>Bless me, me too, my father.

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<v Regina Schwartz>But he said,

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<v Regina Schwartz>Your brother came deceitfully

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<v Regina Schwartz>and took your blessing.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Haven't you reserved any blessing for me?

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<v Regina Schwartz>Isaac answered Esau,

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<v Regina Schwartz>I've made him lord over you,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and I've made all his relatives his servants,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and I've sustained him with grain and new wine.

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<v Regina Schwartz>So what can I possibly do for you, my son?

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<v Regina Schwartz>And then Esau asks a profound question,

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<v Regina Schwartz>one that resonates throughout the history,

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<v Regina Schwartz>the long history of religious strife.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Do you have only one blessing, my father?

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<v Regina Schwartz>Bless me, me too, my father.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Then Esau wept aloud.

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<v Regina Schwartz>This ancestral myth of Jacob, Israel, and Esau, Edom,

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<v Regina Schwartz>with its terrible answer to Esau's pointed question,

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<v Regina Schwartz>Have you only one blessing?

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<v Regina Schwartz>points to an interminable future of violence

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<v Regina Schwartz>between peoples.

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<v Regina Schwartz>There will be no blessed future for the Edomites,

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<v Regina Schwartz>the enemies of ancient Israel.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Scarcity impels this pain.

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<v Regina Schwartz>What if the authors had imagined

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<v Regina Schwartz>the Edomites and the Israelites enjoying equally blessed futures?

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<v Regina Schwartz>What if there had been two blessings?

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<v Regina Schwartz>Would the cultural legacy of the Bible

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<v Regina Schwartz>have been a less violent one?

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<v Regina Schwartz>Would it have been more difficult to use the Bible as a weapon

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<v Regina Schwartz>to degrade those who have strayed from the one jealous God,

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<v Regina Schwartz>peoples who have been classified as infidels?

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<v Regina Schwartz>Surely we would still have had the Crusades,

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<v Regina Schwartz>the Inquisition,

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<v Regina Schwartz>the Christian identity movement,

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<v Regina Schwartz>but would the perpetrators have had to look elsewhere

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<v Regina Schwartz>in their cultural legacy,

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<v Regina Schwartz>other than representations of the will of God

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<v Regina Schwartz>as recorded in his authorized text

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<v Regina Schwartz>in order to authorize their hate crimes?

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<v Regina Schwartz>Let me make my presuppositions clearer.

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<v Regina Schwartz>I want to underscore that for me,

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<v Regina Schwartz>these narratives, all narratives,

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<v Regina Schwartz>are necessarily imperfect renderings of divinity.

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<v Regina Schwartz>They reflect human preoccupations,

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<v Regina Schwartz>offering more of a window onto our social realm

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<v Regina Schwartz>than any divine one.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Needless to say, scarcity is a tragic condition of our world,

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<v Regina Schwartz>and willing it away through utopian religions doesn't work.

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<v Regina Schwartz>But what is different about this human depiction of God,

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<v Regina Schwartz>this notion of monotheism,

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<v Regina Schwartz>is that it transfers the real material scarcity of the world

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<v Regina Schwartz>to divinity.

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<v Regina Schwartz>No longer is scarcity only a condition experienced by God,

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<v Regina Schwartz>or experienced by human beings,

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<v Regina Schwartz>but it also comes to be conceived as a limitation

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<v Regina Schwartz>in the spiritual sphere.

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<v Regina Schwartz>And then, in a circular and deadly way,

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<v Regina Schwartz>this divine principle of scarcity

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<v Regina Schwartz>is used to justify real-world exclusions,

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<v Regina Schwartz>blessings for some and not for others,

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<v Regina Schwartz>haves and have-nots.

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<v Regina Schwartz>We should be wary, by the way,

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<v Regina Schwartz>of making the alarming mistake

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<v Regina Schwartz>of attaching this dark side of monotheism,

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<v Regina Schwartz>this exclusivism and terror,

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<v Regina Schwartz>to Judaism,

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<v Regina Schwartz>which has been historically a notably tolerant religion.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Understanding the biblical conquest story

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<v Regina Schwartz>as expressing the hope of a powerless,

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<v Regina Schwartz>exiled people for a homeland,

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<v Regina Schwartz>the context in which it was presumably written,

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<v Regina Schwartz>is one thing.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Using the conquest story,

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<v Regina Schwartz>as dominant cultures have,

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<v Regina Schwartz>to justify their own conquests,

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<v Regina Schwartz>that is, the context in which it is so often interpreted,

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<v Regina Schwartz>is quite another.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Furthermore,

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<v Regina Schwartz>the Bible's role in our understandings

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<v Regina Schwartz>of collective identity,

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<v Regina Schwartz>in the ways in which we imagine people

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<v Regina Schwartz>and the way in which we imagine the other,

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<v Regina Schwartz>can hardly be overestimated.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Simply put,

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<v Regina Schwartz>the Bible encodes Western culture's central myth

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<v Regina Schwartz>of what it is to be a people.

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<v Regina Schwartz>It's to have a god,

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<v Regina Schwartz>to have a land,

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<v Regina Schwartz>to have a nation,

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<v Regina Schwartz>to be a kinship group,

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<v Regina Schwartz>to share a common cause,

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<v Regina Schwartz>to have a collective history.

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<v Regina Schwartz>And its narratives are devoted

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<v Regina Schwartz>not just to ethical precepts

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<v Regina Schwartz>or to Sunday school lessons in piety,

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<v Regina Schwartz>but to detailing the process of forming a people.

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<v Regina Schwartz>When the transcendent deity

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<v Regina Schwartz>breaks into human history

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<v Regina Schwartz>with the demand that the people he constitutes

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<v Regina Schwartz>obey the laws that he institutes,

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<v Regina Schwartz>first and foremost among those laws

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<v Regina Schwartz>to him and to him alone.

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<v Regina Schwartz>Thou shalt have no other gods before me,

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<v Regina Schwartz>as the familiar commandment puts it.

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<v Regina Schwartz>In this story,

449
00:21:40.560 --> 00:21:42.740
<v Regina Schwartz>a people who will be the ancient Israelites

450
00:21:42.740 --> 00:21:45.760
<v Regina Schwartz>are forged by their worship of that one deity,

451
00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:49.000
<v Regina Schwartz>and what makes the other into the other,

452
00:21:49.100 --> 00:21:51.760
<v Regina Schwartz>that is, Egyptians, Moabites, Ammonites,

453
00:21:51.860 --> 00:21:54.040
<v Regina Schwartz>Canaanites, Perizzites, Hittites, or Hurrians,

454
00:21:54.280 --> 00:21:56.660
<v Regina Schwartz>is their worship of other deities.

455
00:21:57.240 --> 00:21:59.260
<v Regina Schwartz>When ancient Israel is forged

456
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<v Regina Schwartz>as a collective identity against the other,

457
00:22:02.320 --> 00:22:03.600
<v Regina Schwartz>it is figured as a collective identity

458
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<v Regina Schwartz>against other gods.

459
00:22:05.040 --> 00:22:06.920
<v Regina Schwartz>And so when Israel is threatened,

460
00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:09.360
<v Regina Schwartz>it's not by the power of other peoples

461
00:22:09.360 --> 00:22:10.260
<v Regina Schwartz>or other nations,

462
00:22:10.520 --> 00:22:12.900
<v Regina Schwartz>but by the power and wrath of her own god,

463
00:22:13.020 --> 00:22:14.200
<v Regina Schwartz>because she has wavered

464
00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:16.320
<v Regina Schwartz>in her exclusive loyalty to him.

465
00:22:17.660 --> 00:22:19.540
<v Regina Schwartz>Inclinations toward polytheism

466
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<v Regina Schwartz>are repeatedly figured as sexual infidelity.

467
00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:24.720
<v Regina Schwartz>I am a jealous god.

468
00:22:24.900 --> 00:22:26.180
<v Regina Schwartz>You will have none but me.

469
00:22:26.420 --> 00:22:28.300
<v Regina Schwartz>And Israel is castigated

470
00:22:28.300 --> 00:22:30.220
<v Regina Schwartz>for whoring after other gods,

471
00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:32.620
<v Regina Schwartz>thereby imperiling her purity.

472
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<v Regina Schwartz>So shameless was her whoring

473
00:22:36.100 --> 00:22:38.180
<v Regina Schwartz>that at last she polluted the country.

474
00:22:38.900 --> 00:22:42.740
<v Regina Schwartz>Jeremiah's confusion of idolatry and adultery

475
00:22:42.740 --> 00:22:45.980
<v Regina Schwartz>condemns Israel for committing adultery

476
00:22:45.980 --> 00:22:49.260
<v Regina Schwartz>with lumps of stone and pieces of wood.

477
00:22:50.360 --> 00:22:53.500
<v Regina Schwartz>When identity is constituted by possession,

478
00:22:53.940 --> 00:22:56.060
<v Regina Schwartz>you are mine, I am yours,

479
00:22:56.280 --> 00:22:58.500
<v Regina Schwartz>it must be an exclusive possession.

480
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<v Regina Schwartz>Pluralism is betrayal,

481
00:23:01.080 --> 00:23:03.260
<v Regina Schwartz>punishable with every kind of exile,

482
00:23:03.260 --> 00:23:05.900
<v Regina Schwartz>loss of home, loss of land,

483
00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:07.980
<v Regina Schwartz>even alienation from the earth itself.

484
00:23:08.420 --> 00:23:10.180
<v Regina Schwartz>As the Lord says in Hosea,

485
00:23:10.380 --> 00:23:11.880
<v Regina Schwartz>They came to forget me?

486
00:23:11.980 --> 00:23:13.980
<v Regina Schwartz>Very well, I'll be a lion to them,

487
00:23:14.060 --> 00:23:15.620
<v Regina Schwartz>a leopard lurking by the way.

488
00:23:15.700 --> 00:23:17.340
<v Regina Schwartz>Like a bear robbed of her cubs,

489
00:23:17.380 --> 00:23:18.180
<v Regina Schwartz>I'll pounce on them

490
00:23:18.180 --> 00:23:19.800
<v Regina Schwartz>and tear the flesh around their hearts.

491
00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:21.960
<v Regina Schwartz>The dogs shall eat their flesh

492
00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:23.840
<v Regina Schwartz>and the wild beasts tear them to pieces.

493
00:23:24.120 --> 00:23:24.680
<v Speaker 3>It's nice.

494
00:23:25.320 --> 00:23:28.780
<v Regina Schwartz>Thinking of land as a possession

495
00:23:29.580 --> 00:23:31.600
<v Regina Schwartz>yields two powerful alternatives.

496
00:23:31.600 --> 00:23:34.360
<v Regina Schwartz>To have it is to have a home.

497
00:23:34.760 --> 00:23:36.760
<v Regina Schwartz>To lose it is to be in exile.

498
00:23:37.140 --> 00:23:39.700
<v Regina Schwartz>In one model, someone's land is seized,

499
00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:40.440
<v Regina Schwartz>conquest.

500
00:23:40.820 --> 00:23:42.860
<v Regina Schwartz>In the other, your land is seized, exile.

501
00:23:43.580 --> 00:23:45.060
<v Regina Schwartz>There's a dangerous consequence

502
00:23:45.060 --> 00:23:47.260
<v Regina Schwartz>of attaching identity to territory.

503
00:23:47.660 --> 00:23:49.340
<v Regina Schwartz>When a people imagines itself

504
00:23:49.340 --> 00:23:50.960
<v Regina Schwartz>as the people of a given land,

505
00:23:51.060 --> 00:23:52.800
<v Regina Schwartz>the obvious threat to its identity

506
00:23:52.800 --> 00:23:54.500
<v Regina Schwartz>is going to be loss of that land.

507
00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:56.920
<v Regina Schwartz>And precisely that fear drives

508
00:23:56.920 --> 00:23:58.900
<v Regina Schwartz>the plot of biblical narrative.

509
00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:00.600
<v Regina Schwartz>It tells of the ancient Israelites,

510
00:24:00.780 --> 00:24:03.060
<v Regina Schwartz>acquiring the land of Canaan,

511
00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:04.680
<v Regina Schwartz>then of them losing it,

512
00:24:04.760 --> 00:24:07.200
<v Regina Schwartz>devastated by their exile to Babylon.

513
00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:09.940
<v Regina Schwartz>Both the gift and the loss

514
00:24:09.940 --> 00:24:12.080
<v Regina Schwartz>depend upon obedience to the Lord.

515
00:24:12.220 --> 00:24:14.680
<v Regina Schwartz>If the Israelites are not the people of God,

516
00:24:14.900 --> 00:24:17.080
<v Regina Schwartz>they cannot be the people of the land.

517
00:24:17.340 --> 00:24:18.780
<v Regina Schwartz>As Deuteronomy 8 warns,

518
00:24:19.380 --> 00:24:21.600
<v Regina Schwartz>take care you do not forget your God,

519
00:24:21.740 --> 00:24:22.880
<v Regina Schwartz>neglecting his commandments,

520
00:24:23.060 --> 00:24:23.820
<v Regina Schwartz>customs, and laws,

521
00:24:23.940 --> 00:24:24.940
<v Regina Schwartz>which I lay on you today.

522
00:24:25.180 --> 00:24:26.920
<v Regina Schwartz>When you've eaten and had all you want,

523
00:24:27.020 --> 00:24:28.320
<v Regina Schwartz>when you've built your fine houses,

524
00:24:28.380 --> 00:24:30.200
<v Regina Schwartz>when you've seen your flocks and herds increase

525
00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:31.780
<v Regina Schwartz>and your silver and gold abound

526
00:24:31.780 --> 00:24:33.200
<v Regina Schwartz>and all your possessions grow great,

527
00:24:33.360 --> 00:24:35.160
<v Regina Schwartz>do not become proud of heart.

528
00:24:35.620 --> 00:24:39.440
<v Regina Schwartz>But if neither seizing nor having land seized

529
00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:42.340
<v Regina Schwartz>is attractive to peace-loving people,

530
00:24:42.520 --> 00:24:43.920
<v Regina Schwartz>is there an alternative?

531
00:24:44.400 --> 00:24:46.440
<v Regina Schwartz>In fact, biblical narratives

532
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:48.280
<v Regina Schwartz>do delineate a third option,

533
00:24:48.540 --> 00:24:50.360
<v Regina Schwartz>one in which the territory

534
00:24:50.360 --> 00:24:53.280
<v Regina Schwartz>is not owned by man, but by God.

535
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:56.100
<v Regina Schwartz>Leviticus 25 spells this out.

536
00:24:56.280 --> 00:24:58.980
<v Regina Schwartz>The land must not be sold permanently

537
00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:00.800
<v Regina Schwartz>because the land is mine,

538
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:03.760
<v Regina Schwartz>and you are but aliens and my tenants,

539
00:25:03.980 --> 00:25:04.580
<v Regina Schwartz>says God.

540
00:25:04.800 --> 00:25:07.960
<v Regina Schwartz>Throughout the country that you hold as a possession,

541
00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:11.240
<v Regina Schwartz>you must provide for the redemption of the land.

542
00:25:11.620 --> 00:25:14.120
<v Regina Schwartz>Man is only a sojourner in the land,

543
00:25:14.300 --> 00:25:15.820
<v Regina Schwartz>and in a remarkable passage,

544
00:25:16.020 --> 00:25:17.920
<v Regina Schwartz>this alternative is brought into relief

545
00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:20.180
<v Regina Schwartz>in the context of the failure

546
00:25:20.180 --> 00:25:21.700
<v Regina Schwartz>of the land-holding paradigm.

547
00:25:22.580 --> 00:25:25.180
<v Regina Schwartz>The word addressed to Jeremiah by God

548
00:25:25.180 --> 00:25:26.520
<v Regina Schwartz>in the days of Jehoiakim,

549
00:25:26.560 --> 00:25:28.080
<v Regina Schwartz>son of Josiah, king of Judah.

550
00:25:28.080 --> 00:25:30.300
<v Regina Schwartz>Go to the clan of the Rechabites

551
00:25:30.300 --> 00:25:31.200
<v Regina Schwartz>and speak to them.

552
00:25:31.400 --> 00:25:33.060
<v Regina Schwartz>Bring them into one of the apartments

553
00:25:33.060 --> 00:25:34.160
<v Regina Schwartz>of the temple of God

554
00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:35.540
<v Regina Schwartz>and offer them wine to drink.

555
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:36.740
<v Regina Schwartz>They replied,

556
00:25:37.080 --> 00:25:38.840
<v Regina Schwartz>We do not drink wine,

557
00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:41.220
<v Regina Schwartz>because our ancestor gave us this order.

558
00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:43.240
<v Regina Schwartz>You must never drink wine,

559
00:25:43.340 --> 00:25:44.680
<v Regina Schwartz>neither you nor your sons,

560
00:25:44.900 --> 00:25:46.600
<v Regina Schwartz>nor must you build houses,

561
00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:48.300
<v Regina Schwartz>sow seed, plant vineyards,

562
00:25:48.380 --> 00:25:49.780
<v Regina Schwartz>or own property.

563
00:25:50.500 --> 00:25:53.400
<v Regina Schwartz>No, you must live in tents all your lives,

564
00:25:53.540 --> 00:25:55.160
<v Regina Schwartz>so that you may live long

565
00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:57.580
<v Regina Schwartz>on the soil on which you are alien.

566
00:25:58.800 --> 00:26:01.060
<v Regina Schwartz>Could this talk of sojourning

567
00:26:01.060 --> 00:26:03.120
<v Regina Schwartz>on the land of God be of any use

568
00:26:03.120 --> 00:26:05.280
<v Regina Schwartz>for today's war-torn Middle East?

569
00:26:05.540 --> 00:26:07.580
<v Regina Schwartz>Is it possible that when two peoples

570
00:26:07.580 --> 00:26:09.580
<v Regina Schwartz>both claim exclusive ownership

571
00:26:09.580 --> 00:26:11.540
<v Regina Schwartz>of the same piece of land,

572
00:26:12.180 --> 00:26:12.780
<v Regina Schwartz>Jerusalem,

573
00:26:13.100 --> 00:26:16.240
<v Regina Schwartz>that giving up the idea of ownership altogether

574
00:26:16.240 --> 00:26:19.160
<v Regina Schwartz>or allowing even a transcendent principle

575
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:21.420
<v Regina Schwartz>to own it and have it administered

576
00:26:21.420 --> 00:26:23.320
<v Regina Schwartz>by a neutral body could help resolve

577
00:26:23.320 --> 00:26:24.540
<v Regina Schwartz>the intractable problem?

578
00:26:25.260 --> 00:26:27.680
<v Regina Schwartz>Such a Jerusalem would not be the possession,

579
00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:29.840
<v Regina Schwartz>of any state or any people,

580
00:26:29.980 --> 00:26:31.500
<v Regina Schwartz>Israeli or Palestinian.

581
00:26:31.740 --> 00:26:34.260
<v Regina Schwartz>It would be recognized as a city of the world,

582
00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:36.520
<v Regina Schwartz>and perhaps for some beyond the world,

583
00:26:36.660 --> 00:26:39.180
<v Regina Schwartz>where the Western religions have their holy sites

584
00:26:39.180 --> 00:26:40.980
<v Regina Schwartz>into which they conduct their pilgrimages.

585
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:43.500
<v Regina Schwartz>Not the exclusive possession of any state,

586
00:26:43.620 --> 00:26:46.200
<v Regina Schwartz>Jerusalem could then be the possession of all.

587
00:26:46.420 --> 00:26:48.280
<v Regina Schwartz>As it says in Psalm 87,

588
00:26:48.980 --> 00:26:51.460
<v Regina Schwartz>Here so and so was born, men say,

589
00:26:51.700 --> 00:26:54.300
<v Regina Schwartz>but all call Zion mother,

590
00:26:54.460 --> 00:26:56.820
<v Regina Schwartz>since all were born in her,

591
00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:57.660
<v Regina Schwartz>all are born in her.

592
00:26:57.680 --> 00:26:59.300
<v Regina Schwartz>All find their home in you.

593
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:05.340
<v Regina Schwartz>In his adultery, King David violated

594
00:27:05.340 --> 00:27:07.060
<v Regina Schwartz>a whole string of commandments,

595
00:27:07.760 --> 00:27:10.180
<v Regina Schwartz>reflecting the fact that any doctrine of possession

596
00:27:10.180 --> 00:27:12.480
<v Regina Schwartz>is inevitably obsessed once again

597
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:15.360
<v Regina Schwartz>with faithlessness and violence.

598
00:27:15.980 --> 00:27:19.440
<v Regina Schwartz>Among the commandments that he violated were,

599
00:27:19.600 --> 00:27:22.020
<v Regina Schwartz>you shall not kill, you shall not commit adultery,

600
00:27:22.100 --> 00:27:24.640
<v Regina Schwartz>you shall not steal, you shall not bear false witness

601
00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:25.560
<v Regina Schwartz>against your neighbor.

602
00:27:25.820 --> 00:27:27.640
<v Regina Schwartz>That is, King David,

603
00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:29.740
<v Regina Schwartz>has been faithless to the rules of God.

604
00:27:29.940 --> 00:27:32.680
<v Regina Schwartz>And just before commandments about not killing,

605
00:27:32.820 --> 00:27:33.960
<v Regina Schwartz>not having adultery,

606
00:27:34.060 --> 00:27:35.600
<v Regina Schwartz>not taking what is your neighbor's,

607
00:27:35.600 --> 00:27:38.020
<v Regina Schwartz>that is the laws that regulate the social order,

608
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:40.600
<v Regina Schwartz>is that command that legislates

609
00:27:40.600 --> 00:27:42.440
<v Regina Schwartz>exclusive allegiance to God.

610
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:45.820
<v Regina Schwartz>This commandment seems desperately difficult

611
00:27:45.820 --> 00:27:47.500
<v Regina Schwartz>for ancient Israel to keep.

612
00:27:47.660 --> 00:27:50.760
<v Regina Schwartz>For while biblical theology insists that Israel

613
00:27:50.760 --> 00:27:52.820
<v Regina Schwartz>is the possession of the Lord,

614
00:27:53.080 --> 00:27:55.980
<v Regina Schwartz>the narratives suggest over and over

615
00:27:55.980 --> 00:27:57.660
<v Regina Schwartz>that Israel cannot live.

616
00:27:57.680 --> 00:27:58.360
<v Regina Schwartz>That is, that Israel cannot be so possessed.

617
00:27:59.120 --> 00:28:01.700
<v Regina Schwartz>In short, Israel is unfaithful.

618
00:28:01.840 --> 00:28:04.960
<v Regina Schwartz>And the Almighty even kills his own people

619
00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:07.400
<v Regina Schwartz>because he cannot command their loyalty,

620
00:28:07.600 --> 00:28:09.540
<v Regina Schwartz>cannot, that is, fully own them.

621
00:28:10.420 --> 00:28:12.820
<v Regina Schwartz>Hosea's extended allegory of Israel

622
00:28:12.820 --> 00:28:15.120
<v Regina Schwartz>focuses on that failure to possess

623
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:17.100
<v Regina Schwartz>and its violent consequences.

624
00:28:18.820 --> 00:28:20.000
<v Regina Schwartz>Denounce your mother,

625
00:28:20.120 --> 00:28:21.440
<v Regina Schwartz>this is Israel,

626
00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:24.120
<v Regina Schwartz>denounce her, for she is not my wife,

627
00:28:24.180 --> 00:28:25.500
<v Regina Schwartz>nor am I her husband.

628
00:28:25.500 --> 00:28:28.400
<v Regina Schwartz>Let her rid her face of her whoring

629
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:30.020
<v Regina Schwartz>and her breasts of her adultery,

630
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:32.260
<v Regina Schwartz>or else I'll make a wilderness of her.

631
00:28:32.340 --> 00:28:34.240
<v Regina Schwartz>Turn her into an arid land

632
00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:36.300
<v Regina Schwartz>and leave her to die of thirst.

633
00:28:37.780 --> 00:28:40.980
<v Regina Schwartz>In the deep analogy of monotheism

634
00:28:40.980 --> 00:28:43.080
<v Regina Schwartz>and monogamy throughout the Bible,

635
00:28:43.320 --> 00:28:44.700
<v Regina Schwartz>women must be faithful,

636
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:46.380
<v Regina Schwartz>Israel must be faithful,

637
00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:48.760
<v Regina Schwartz>or the land itself will be polluted

638
00:28:48.760 --> 00:28:50.000
<v Regina Schwartz>and adulterated.

639
00:28:50.320 --> 00:28:53.520
<v Regina Schwartz>A body-land analogy governs a rhetoric

640
00:28:53.520 --> 00:28:55.360
<v Regina Schwartz>that describes women and land

641
00:28:55.500 --> 00:28:55.980
<v Regina Schwartz>as possessions,

642
00:28:56.460 --> 00:28:59.540
<v Regina Schwartz>women and land as faithful or idolatrous,

643
00:28:59.740 --> 00:29:02.820
<v Regina Schwartz>women and land as monogamous or adulterous,

644
00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:05.700
<v Regina Schwartz>women and land as fertile or barren.

645
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:08.520
<v Regina Schwartz>But women and land are not only analogous

646
00:29:08.520 --> 00:29:11.600
<v Regina Schwartz>in this nexus of monogamy and monotheism.

647
00:29:11.780 --> 00:29:13.900
<v Regina Schwartz>One's fate affects the other.

648
00:29:14.020 --> 00:29:16.020
<v Regina Schwartz>When Israel worships a foreign deity,

649
00:29:16.260 --> 00:29:17.320
<v Regina Schwartz>she is a harlot,

650
00:29:17.420 --> 00:29:18.980
<v Regina Schwartz>the land is made barren,

651
00:29:18.980 --> 00:29:21.080
<v Regina Schwartz>and Israel is ejected from the land.

652
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:24.180
<v Regina Schwartz>So God says to Israel,

653
00:29:24.180 --> 00:29:26.980
<v Regina Schwartz>Lift your eyes up to the high places and look.

654
00:29:27.140 --> 00:29:28.500
<v Regina Schwartz>Is there not a single place

655
00:29:28.500 --> 00:29:30.040
<v Regina Schwartz>where you have not offered your body?

656
00:29:30.180 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Regina Schwartz>You have polluted the country

657
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:33.660
<v Regina Schwartz>with your prostitution and your vices,

658
00:29:33.700 --> 00:29:36.940
<v Regina Schwartz>and this is why the showers have been withheld

659
00:29:36.940 --> 00:29:39.220
<v Regina Schwartz>and the late rains have not come.

660
00:29:39.620 --> 00:29:41.940
<v Regina Schwartz>Now we understand Adelaide's water problems.

661
00:29:43.280 --> 00:29:43.840
<v Regina Schwartz>Okay.

662
00:29:44.220 --> 00:29:47.900
<v Regina Schwartz>Ezekiel 16 is the extended allegory of Israel

663
00:29:47.900 --> 00:29:48.920
<v Regina Schwartz>as a whore,

664
00:29:49.020 --> 00:29:51.520
<v Regina Schwartz>bringing the relation between infidelity,

665
00:29:51.780 --> 00:29:53.100
<v Regina Schwartz>possession, and exile

666
00:29:53.100 --> 00:29:54.480
<v Regina Schwartz>into a sharp focus.

667
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.500
<v Regina Schwartz>It's the story of a child being born

668
00:29:57.500 --> 00:30:00.320
<v Regina Schwartz>and growing up wild and unloved in the field,

669
00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:02.580
<v Regina Schwartz>and when she matures into puberty,

670
00:30:02.580 --> 00:30:03.720
<v Regina Schwartz>of her being owned,

671
00:30:03.980 --> 00:30:05.920
<v Regina Schwartz>sexually and materially,

672
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:06.700
<v Regina Schwartz>by the Lord.

673
00:30:07.500 --> 00:30:08.340
<v Regina Schwartz>God speaks.

674
00:30:08.620 --> 00:30:10.040
<v Regina Schwartz>And I passed by you,

675
00:30:10.120 --> 00:30:11.000
<v Regina Schwartz>and I looked on you,

676
00:30:11.020 --> 00:30:12.200
<v Regina Schwartz>on Israel, young Israel,

677
00:30:12.260 --> 00:30:14.760
<v Regina Schwartz>and behold, your time was the time of love.

678
00:30:14.940 --> 00:30:17.040
<v Regina Schwartz>And I spread my skirt over you,

679
00:30:17.140 --> 00:30:18.580
<v Regina Schwartz>and I covered your nakedness,

680
00:30:18.700 --> 00:30:20.080
<v Regina Schwartz>and I swore to you

681
00:30:20.080 --> 00:30:21.720
<v Regina Schwartz>and entered into a covenant with you,

682
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:24.380
<v Regina Schwartz>and you, Israel, became mine.

683
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:28.000
<v Regina Schwartz>She is now washed, anointed, dressed, wrapped,

684
00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:30.800
<v Regina Schwartz>covered, and adorned with silks, embroidery, gold, and silver.

685
00:30:31.500 --> 00:30:32.860
<v Regina Schwartz>And you were very beautiful,

686
00:30:32.980 --> 00:30:34.420
<v Regina Schwartz>and you advanced to regal estate,

687
00:30:34.600 --> 00:30:36.060
<v Regina Schwartz>and your name went out among the nations

688
00:30:36.060 --> 00:30:37.100
<v Regina Schwartz>because of your beauty,

689
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:39.100
<v Regina Schwartz>for it was perfect by my splendor

690
00:30:39.100 --> 00:30:40.020
<v Regina Schwartz>which I had set on you.

691
00:30:40.740 --> 00:30:43.200
<v Regina Schwartz>But then young Israel commits adultery,

692
00:30:43.300 --> 00:30:45.180
<v Regina Schwartz>commits adultery with the nations,

693
00:30:45.380 --> 00:30:48.520
<v Regina Schwartz>with Egypt, Assyria, Canaan, Chaldea,

694
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.380
<v Regina Schwartz>with, not incidentally, all of Israel's enemies.

695
00:30:52.180 --> 00:30:53.560
<v Regina Schwartz>At every head of the highway

696
00:30:53.560 --> 00:30:54.720
<v Regina Schwartz>you've built your high place

697
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:56.320
<v Regina Schwartz>and made your beauty despised,

698
00:30:56.380 --> 00:30:58.600
<v Regina Schwartz>and have parted your feet to all who passed by

699
00:30:58.600 --> 00:31:00.160
<v Regina Schwartz>and multiplied your fornications.

700
00:31:01.520 --> 00:31:03.480
<v Regina Schwartz>You have whored with the sons of Egypt,

701
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:05.400
<v Regina Schwartz>you have whored with the sons of Assyria,

702
00:31:05.540 --> 00:31:07.160
<v Regina Schwartz>you have multiplied your fornication

703
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:08.480
<v Regina Schwartz>in the land of Canaan.

704
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:11.240
<v Regina Schwartz>She is then stripped of her property,

705
00:31:11.360 --> 00:31:13.180
<v Regina Schwartz>her garments, and then brutally stoned

706
00:31:13.180 --> 00:31:14.120
<v Regina Schwartz>and stabbed to death.

707
00:31:14.820 --> 00:31:16.740
<v Regina Schwartz>Because your lewdness was poured out

708
00:31:16.740 --> 00:31:18.220
<v Regina Schwartz>and your nakedness was bared,

709
00:31:18.300 --> 00:31:20.140
<v Regina Schwartz>and your fornications with your lovers

710
00:31:20.140 --> 00:31:21.760
<v Regina Schwartz>and the idols of your abominations.

711
00:31:21.760 --> 00:31:23.620
<v Regina Schwartz>Therefore I will gather all your lovers

712
00:31:23.620 --> 00:31:24.760
<v Regina Schwartz>with whom you've been pleased,

713
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:26.680
<v Regina Schwartz>even all whom you've loved

714
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:28.040
<v Regina Schwartz>and all whom you've hated,

715
00:31:28.100 --> 00:31:29.900
<v Regina Schwartz>and I'll uncover your nakedness to them.

716
00:31:30.180 --> 00:31:32.080
<v Regina Schwartz>They shall strip you of your clothes,

717
00:31:32.140 --> 00:31:33.240
<v Regina Schwartz>take your beautiful things,

718
00:31:33.360 --> 00:31:34.400
<v Regina Schwartz>and leave you naked and bare,

719
00:31:34.580 --> 00:31:36.220
<v Regina Schwartz>and they will stone you with stones,

720
00:31:36.340 --> 00:31:39.040
<v Regina Schwartz>and they will cut you with their swords."

721
00:31:40.340 --> 00:31:42.900
<v Regina Schwartz>King Lear's condemnation of his daughter

722
00:31:42.900 --> 00:31:46.040
<v Regina Schwartz>when she refuses exclusive allegiance to him

723
00:31:46.040 --> 00:31:48.700
<v Regina Schwartz>is almost, but not quite, this terrible.

724
00:31:50.140 --> 00:31:51.060
<v Regina Schwartz>Which of you will say,

725
00:31:51.140 --> 00:31:53.420
<v Regina Schwartz>she loves us most, he asks his daughters,

726
00:31:53.520 --> 00:31:56.100
<v Regina Schwartz>so we can bestow our largest bounty on you?

727
00:31:56.860 --> 00:31:59.720
<v Regina Schwartz>Abusing his power by commanding love for payment.

728
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.500
<v Regina Schwartz>When Cordelia refuses this bartering,

729
00:32:02.660 --> 00:32:05.380
<v Regina Schwartz>she also rejects the terms of exclusivity

730
00:32:05.380 --> 00:32:06.980
<v Regina Schwartz>that her false sisters offer.

731
00:32:08.040 --> 00:32:10.740
<v Regina Schwartz>Good my lord, she says, I obey you,

732
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:13.260
<v Regina Schwartz>I love you, and most honor you.

733
00:32:13.820 --> 00:32:15.980
<v Regina Schwartz>Why have my sisters husbands

734
00:32:15.980 --> 00:32:19.060
<v Regina Schwartz>if they say they love you only?

735
00:32:20.140 --> 00:32:22.420
<v Regina Schwartz>Sure, I shall never marry like my sisters,

736
00:32:22.560 --> 00:32:24.600
<v Regina Schwartz>to love my father only.

737
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:28.480
<v Regina Schwartz>While Lear stops short of stabbing Cordelia to death,

738
00:32:28.660 --> 00:32:30.640
<v Regina Schwartz>he does strip her of her inheritance,

739
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:32.940
<v Regina Schwartz>her dowry, and he does exile her.

740
00:32:33.220 --> 00:32:35.120
<v Regina Schwartz>Take her, he says, to her suitors,

741
00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:37.360
<v Regina Schwartz>if you want what you see, for that's all you'll get.

742
00:32:37.500 --> 00:32:40.200
<v Regina Schwartz>There she stands, if aught within that little seeming substance

743
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:42.820
<v Regina Schwartz>and nothing more, may fitly like your grace,

744
00:32:42.940 --> 00:32:44.200
<v Regina Schwartz>she's there, she's yours.

745
00:32:44.840 --> 00:32:46.560
<v Regina Schwartz>Turns out that the Duke of Burgundy

746
00:32:47.140 --> 00:32:49.220
<v Regina Schwartz>wanted her share of the kingdom rather than her,

747
00:32:49.220 --> 00:32:51.420
<v Regina Schwartz>and she responds to him suitably,

748
00:32:51.500 --> 00:32:53.840
<v Regina Schwartz>peace be with Burgundy, since respects of fortune

749
00:32:53.840 --> 00:32:55.720
<v Regina Schwartz>are his love, I shall not be his wife.

750
00:32:56.580 --> 00:32:58.380
<v Regina Schwartz>She can't be sold to a husband

751
00:32:58.380 --> 00:33:00.560
<v Regina Schwartz>any more than she can be bought by her father,

752
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.780
<v Regina Schwartz>the point being that love is not bought and sold.

753
00:33:04.120 --> 00:33:07.140
<v Regina Schwartz>It is not a possession to be owed,

754
00:33:07.340 --> 00:33:10.060
<v Regina Schwartz>demanded, purchased, or traded.

755
00:33:10.360 --> 00:33:13.040
<v Regina Schwartz>Its stock does not go up and down.

756
00:33:13.820 --> 00:33:16.040
<v Regina Schwartz>But the dark side of monotheism

757
00:33:16.040 --> 00:33:18.320
<v Regina Schwartz>confuses love with possession.

758
00:33:18.320 --> 00:33:21.300
<v Regina Schwartz>Possession of a people by God,

759
00:33:21.320 --> 00:33:24.600
<v Regina Schwartz>of a land by people, and women by men.

760
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:28.640
<v Regina Schwartz>These preoccupations with divine and sexual possession

761
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:31.580
<v Regina Schwartz>and fidelity are part of its understanding

762
00:33:31.580 --> 00:33:34.200
<v Regina Schwartz>of collective identity as a people set apart,

763
00:33:34.540 --> 00:33:36.540
<v Regina Schwartz>with boundaries that can be mapped

764
00:33:36.540 --> 00:33:38.300
<v Regina Schwartz>and ownership that can be titled.

765
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:41.720
<v Regina Schwartz>If they are the exclusive possession of the deity,

766
00:33:41.900 --> 00:33:44.000
<v Regina Schwartz>it is to none other, and they are to have

767
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:46.200
<v Regina Schwartz>exclusive allegiance to him and none other.

768
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:48.300
<v Regina Schwartz>So we have this huge,

769
00:33:48.320 --> 00:33:49.320
<v Regina Schwartz>huge doctrine of possession

770
00:33:50.320 --> 00:33:52.880
<v Regina Schwartz>embedded in the dark side of monotheism.

771
00:33:53.040 --> 00:33:56.080
<v Regina Schwartz>The other, against whom Israel's identity is forged,

772
00:33:56.340 --> 00:33:59.380
<v Regina Schwartz>is abhorred, abject, impure,

773
00:33:59.500 --> 00:34:02.780
<v Regina Schwartz>and in the Hebrew Bible, vast numbers of them are obliterated,

774
00:34:02.820 --> 00:34:05.240
<v Regina Schwartz>while in the New Testament they must be converted

775
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:07.840
<v Regina Schwartz>or be lost, that is, damned.

776
00:34:08.380 --> 00:34:11.740
<v Regina Schwartz>Thus, when biblical stories carve up humanity into peoples,

777
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:14.500
<v Regina Schwartz>they describe identity in negative terms.

778
00:34:14.640 --> 00:34:17.720
<v Regina Schwartz>To be Israel is to be not Egypt,

779
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:18.420
<v Regina Schwartz>but to be Israel.

780
00:34:18.420 --> 00:34:20.320
<v Regina Schwartz>There must be vigilance against outsiders,

781
00:34:20.520 --> 00:34:22.160
<v Regina Schwartz>even to the point of violent exclusion

782
00:34:22.160 --> 00:34:23.460
<v Regina Schwartz>and destruction of them.

783
00:34:23.780 --> 00:34:26.740
<v Regina Schwartz>The outside and outsider is imaged as polluted,

784
00:34:26.860 --> 00:34:29.780
<v Regina Schwartz>their pollution must be abhorred, reviled, and ejected,

785
00:34:29.780 --> 00:34:32.460
<v Regina Schwartz>for it is outside of the compass of the holy.

786
00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:37.220
<v Regina Schwartz>But how can the ethical commandments of God be kept

787
00:34:37.220 --> 00:34:40.160
<v Regina Schwartz>alongside this reviling of the foreigner?

788
00:34:41.040 --> 00:34:43.500
<v Regina Schwartz>How can the Lord be obeyed

789
00:34:43.500 --> 00:34:46.100
<v Regina Schwartz>so long as Cain is murdering Abel?

790
00:34:46.100 --> 00:34:48.060
<v Regina Schwartz>We are murdering our brothers.

791
00:34:49.220 --> 00:34:51.740
<v Regina Schwartz>This tying of collective identity

792
00:34:51.740 --> 00:34:53.720
<v Regina Schwartz>to rejection of the other

793
00:34:53.720 --> 00:34:57.320
<v Regina Schwartz>runs counter to so much of the drive that can be found

794
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.080
<v Regina Schwartz>both in the Bible and throughout religious myth and ritual

795
00:35:00.080 --> 00:35:02.640
<v Regina Schwartz>of identity, analogy.

796
00:35:03.520 --> 00:35:07.000
<v Regina Schwartz>Instead of envisioning Israel as not Egypt,

797
00:35:07.060 --> 00:35:09.420
<v Regina Schwartz>there are other biblical stories of origin

798
00:35:09.420 --> 00:35:11.780
<v Regina Schwartz>in which Israel is part Egypt,

799
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:13.660
<v Regina Schwartz>with a part Egyptian Moses,

800
00:35:13.820 --> 00:35:15.860
<v Regina Schwartz>born of one people and bred of another,

801
00:35:16.100 --> 00:35:17.660
<v Regina Schwartz>leading the people out of Egypt.

802
00:35:17.780 --> 00:35:20.920
<v Regina Schwartz>And in another story, Joseph, the son of Jacob, Israel,

803
00:35:21.140 --> 00:35:24.200
<v Regina Schwartz>saves the Israelites by means of the high Egyptian status

804
00:35:24.200 --> 00:35:25.520
<v Regina Schwartz>that is conferred upon him.

805
00:35:26.040 --> 00:35:29.180
<v Regina Schwartz>In the end, the Bible conceives of Israel's relation

806
00:35:29.180 --> 00:35:30.800
<v Regina Schwartz>with the other in diverse ways.

807
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:34.980
<v Regina Schwartz>If the book of Ezra recommends separation from the other,

808
00:35:35.100 --> 00:35:38.260
<v Regina Schwartz>advising the Israelites to put away their foreign wives

809
00:35:38.260 --> 00:35:39.720
<v Regina Schwartz>acquired during their exile,

810
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:43.600
<v Regina Schwartz>in contrast, the book of Ruth embraces a foreign wife,

811
00:35:43.820 --> 00:35:45.360
<v Regina Schwartz>Ruth the Moabitess,

812
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:48.360
<v Regina Schwartz>and gives her the honorific role of progenitress

813
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:49.540
<v Regina Schwartz>in King David's lineage.

814
00:35:50.300 --> 00:35:53.380
<v Regina Schwartz>If the book of Exodus depicts wrath against the other,

815
00:35:53.520 --> 00:35:55.540
<v Regina Schwartz>plagues against the firstborn Egyptians,

816
00:35:55.680 --> 00:35:57.180
<v Regina Schwartz>the drowning of Pharaoh's army,

817
00:35:57.340 --> 00:36:00.420
<v Regina Schwartz>the book of Jonah depicts such forgiveness of the other,

818
00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:02.940
<v Regina Schwartz>such compassion for the people of Nineveh,

819
00:36:02.940 --> 00:36:04.660
<v Regina Schwartz>Israel's historical enemy,

820
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:07.140
<v Regina Schwartz>that the prophet is furious with God

821
00:36:07.140 --> 00:36:08.760
<v Regina Schwartz>for being so merciful.

822
00:36:09.460 --> 00:36:12.780
<v Regina Schwartz>And if the God who curses with dearth and with death

823
00:36:12.780 --> 00:36:15.440
<v Regina Schwartz>is depicted in Amos and Deuteronomy,

824
00:36:15.560 --> 00:36:17.500
<v Regina Schwartz>in Genesis we're offered a God

825
00:36:17.500 --> 00:36:20.300
<v Regina Schwartz>who blesses the creation with fecundity,

826
00:36:20.500 --> 00:36:23.900
<v Regina Schwartz>enjoining all created things to be fruitful

827
00:36:23.900 --> 00:36:26.940
<v Regina Schwartz>and multiply and fill all the earth.

828
00:36:27.820 --> 00:36:29.680
<v Regina Schwartz>Even the God of Cain and Abel,

829
00:36:29.720 --> 00:36:32.460
<v Regina Schwartz>who accepts one sacrifice but rejects another,

830
00:36:32.680 --> 00:36:34.520
<v Regina Schwartz>and the God of Jacob and Esau,

831
00:36:34.600 --> 00:36:35.920
<v Regina Schwartz>who has only one blessing,

832
00:36:36.100 --> 00:36:38.420
<v Regina Schwartz>is challenged by the God of Exodus

833
00:36:38.420 --> 00:36:42.200
<v Regina Schwartz>who rains manna from the heavens enough for every one.

834
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.940
<v Regina Schwartz>Who is an insider and who is an outsider

835
00:36:45.940 --> 00:36:49.120
<v Regina Schwartz>is perpetually negotiated in biblical narratives,

836
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:51.280
<v Regina Schwartz>and these are not the only options.

837
00:36:51.360 --> 00:36:53.180
<v Regina Schwartz>There are also outsiders within,

838
00:36:53.300 --> 00:36:56.080
<v Regina Schwartz>or outcasts who are not altogether cast out.

839
00:36:56.260 --> 00:36:59.500
<v Regina Schwartz>That is, the parameters of who the people are

840
00:36:59.500 --> 00:37:02.060
<v Regina Schwartz>is always shifting and blurred.

841
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:05.040
<v Regina Schwartz>They are a people bound by a law

842
00:37:05.040 --> 00:37:06.580
<v Regina Schwartz>that they refuse to obey.

843
00:37:06.900 --> 00:37:09.940
<v Regina Schwartz>They are a people defined by their nomadism,

844
00:37:09.980 --> 00:37:11.900
<v Regina Schwartz>but who are promised a land.

845
00:37:11.900 --> 00:37:16.180
<v Regina Schwartz>They are a people who remember or adopt a shared history,

846
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:18.880
<v Regina Schwartz>only to constantly forget it.

847
00:37:19.540 --> 00:37:21.720
<v Regina Schwartz>The closer we look at these narratives,

848
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:23.300
<v Regina Schwartz>the more difficult it becomes

849
00:37:23.900 --> 00:37:26.240
<v Regina Schwartz>to name the people and name the other,

850
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:28.140
<v Regina Schwartz>and therefore to hurt the other.

851
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:31.840
<v Regina Schwartz>If the structure of thought that dwells on possession

852
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:36.260
<v Regina Schwartz>and reduces the other to an object to be owned or cast out

853
00:37:36.260 --> 00:37:38.580
<v Regina Schwartz>is the dark side of monotheism,

854
00:37:38.780 --> 00:37:40.160
<v Regina Schwartz>there is another side.

855
00:37:40.160 --> 00:37:43.360
<v Regina Schwartz>We could read the Bible as a vast critique

856
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:46.180
<v Regina Schwartz>of the ideology of possession,

857
00:37:46.540 --> 00:37:50.540
<v Regina Schwartz>an expose of the inevitable failure of possession

858
00:37:50.540 --> 00:37:52.340
<v Regina Schwartz>and its attendant violence.

859
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.260
<v Regina Schwartz>Such a reading would suggest that possession

860
00:37:55.260 --> 00:37:56.720
<v Regina Schwartz>is not only impossible,

861
00:37:57.020 --> 00:38:01.220
<v Regina Schwartz>as the story of Israel's repeated idolatry and exile suggests,

862
00:38:01.640 --> 00:38:03.000
<v Regina Schwartz>it's not desirable,

863
00:38:03.220 --> 00:38:05.140
<v Regina Schwartz>for it's from this possession

864
00:38:05.140 --> 00:38:07.340
<v Regina Schwartz>and this whole doctrine of possession

865
00:38:07.340 --> 00:38:09.140
<v Regina Schwartz>that so much violence springs.

866
00:38:09.140 --> 00:38:13.520
<v Regina Schwartz>Many biblical strains challenge violent exclusiveness.

867
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:17.380
<v Regina Schwartz>One of the most eloquent in its simplicity is in Micah.

868
00:38:17.620 --> 00:38:21.520
<v Regina Schwartz>Let every man walk, each in the name of his God,

869
00:38:21.740 --> 00:38:25.180
<v Regina Schwartz>but I will walk in the name of my God forever.

870
00:38:26.640 --> 00:38:28.400
<v Regina Schwartz>If, from one perspective,

871
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.500
<v Regina Schwartz>monotheism depicts multiple allegiances

872
00:38:31.500 --> 00:38:34.700
<v Regina Schwartz>as adulterating, pollution, a base admixture,

873
00:38:34.860 --> 00:38:37.920
<v Regina Schwartz>constituting faithlessness against God,

874
00:38:38.140 --> 00:38:39.120
<v Regina Schwartz>an idolatry,

875
00:38:39.140 --> 00:38:42.240
<v Regina Schwartz>that pollutes the purity of the land and the peoples themselves,

876
00:38:42.700 --> 00:38:44.660
<v Regina Schwartz>issuing in violence and exile.

877
00:38:45.420 --> 00:38:46.880
<v Regina Schwartz>From another perspective,

878
00:38:47.560 --> 00:38:49.760
<v Regina Schwartz>monotheism offers a vision of love

879
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:51.900
<v Regina Schwartz>that is not reducible to possession

880
00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:55.620
<v Regina Schwartz>and that is not burdened by rules of obedience to one,

881
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:59.340
<v Regina Schwartz>that is not exclusive and abhorrent of the other.

882
00:38:59.740 --> 00:39:02.620
<v Regina Schwartz>This love is not driven by laws

883
00:39:02.620 --> 00:39:04.500
<v Regina Schwartz>to an end that breaks the law,

884
00:39:04.720 --> 00:39:08.500
<v Regina Schwartz>to violations of exclusivity that spawn violence.

885
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:12.600
<v Regina Schwartz>Monotheism also has a proliferating dimension

886
00:39:13.140 --> 00:39:15.240
<v Regina Schwartz>in those blessings to be fruitful and multiply,

887
00:39:16.140 --> 00:39:17.600
<v Regina Schwartz>even embracing pluralism,

888
00:39:17.640 --> 00:39:20.240
<v Regina Schwartz>to love others as thyself,

889
00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:21.600
<v Regina Schwartz>a generous love

890
00:39:22.140 --> 00:39:24.880
<v Regina Schwartz>that contrasts to the exclusivism of

891
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:26.920
<v Regina Schwartz>obey me or lose all.

892
00:39:28.200 --> 00:39:30.120
<v Regina Schwartz>Charity is promiscuous.

893
00:39:31.140 --> 00:39:33.000
<v Regina Schwartz>Faith is promiscuous.

894
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:35.380
<v Regina Schwartz>Hope is promiscuous.

895
00:39:36.140 --> 00:39:38.320
<v Regina Schwartz>They do not speak the language of exile.

896
00:39:39.140 --> 00:39:39.720
<v Regina Schwartz>They do not speak the language of censure,

897
00:39:39.820 --> 00:39:41.840
<v Regina Schwartz>of murder and terror.

898
00:39:42.820 --> 00:39:45.620
<v Regina Schwartz>Infidelity is not the opposite of fides,

899
00:39:45.780 --> 00:39:46.460
<v Regina Schwartz>of faith,

900
00:39:46.660 --> 00:39:49.660
<v Regina Schwartz>for faith does not speak the language of possession,

901
00:39:49.980 --> 00:39:51.780
<v Regina Schwartz>threatening with the demand of obedience.

902
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:55.240
<v Regina Schwartz>Faith, like Hosea's hesed or love,

903
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:58.980
<v Regina Schwartz>is unrequired, unrequited, and unconditional.

904
00:40:00.300 --> 00:40:02.700
<v Regina Schwartz>For this reason, I am determined,

905
00:40:03.060 --> 00:40:07.060
<v Regina Schwartz>despite being mislabeled a Bible-bashing atheist,

906
00:40:07.060 --> 00:40:11.060
<v Regina Schwartz>determined not to embrace the simple secularism

907
00:40:11.700 --> 00:40:13.060
<v Regina Schwartz>that argues that monotheism,

908
00:40:14.140 --> 00:40:17.820
<v Regina Schwartz>with its impossible demand of allegiance to one,

909
00:40:17.980 --> 00:40:21.900
<v Regina Schwartz>issues in the twin disasters of disobedience to God

910
00:40:21.900 --> 00:40:23.760
<v Regina Schwartz>and violence toward our brother.

911
00:40:24.240 --> 00:40:28.300
<v Regina Schwartz>Rather, I restrict my critique to the possessive monotheism

912
00:40:28.300 --> 00:40:31.060
<v Regina Schwartz>that reduces the other to an object of instrumentality

913
00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:34.580
<v Regina Schwartz>and thereby condemns her to a living death,

914
00:40:34.860 --> 00:40:37.040
<v Regina Schwartz>a violence more common than the other.

915
00:40:37.060 --> 00:40:40.880
<v Regina Schwartz>To a possession of land that demands

916
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:42.480
<v Regina Schwartz>either seizing land from another

917
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:44.360
<v Regina Schwartz>or having one's land seized.

918
00:40:44.780 --> 00:40:47.960
<v Regina Schwartz>Conquest or exile are the logical elaborations

919
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:49.860
<v Regina Schwartz>of that doctrine of land possession.

920
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:53.960
<v Regina Schwartz>For that reason, I want to revisit the ancient distinction

921
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:56.700
<v Regina Schwartz>between fidelity and faith.

922
00:40:57.160 --> 00:40:59.840
<v Regina Schwartz>Fidelity suggested keeping a pledge

923
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:02.880
<v Regina Schwartz>with connotations of certainty, firmness, stability,

924
00:41:03.240 --> 00:41:04.500
<v Regina Schwartz>having confidence in,

925
00:41:04.620 --> 00:41:07.020
<v Regina Schwartz>carrying the basic sense of the Hebrew root,

926
00:41:07.060 --> 00:41:10.260
<v Regina Schwartz>to sustain, to support, to carry, aman.

927
00:41:11.100 --> 00:41:12.800
<v Regina Schwartz>It's part of the realm of law,

928
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:16.080
<v Regina Schwartz>requiring pledges, evidence, and above all, obedience.

929
00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:20.320
<v Regina Schwartz>Faithfulness is often synonymous with obedience.

930
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:25.200
<v Regina Schwartz>Faith, in contrast, is having trust where there is no evidence,

931
00:41:25.420 --> 00:41:27.080
<v Regina Schwartz>no warrant for such trust.

932
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:28.680
<v Regina Schwartz>Like the faith of Abraham,

933
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:31.520
<v Regina Schwartz>that an impossible promise could be fulfilled.

934
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:33.920
<v Regina Schwartz>Faith rests on no knowledge.

935
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:36.540
<v Regina Schwartz>Faith in the other has no interest

936
00:41:36.540 --> 00:41:37.700
<v Regina Schwartz>in possessing her,

937
00:41:37.820 --> 00:41:41.720
<v Regina Schwartz>whether epistemologically, ideologically, or materially.

938
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:44.960
<v Regina Schwartz>Such faith embraces her in full life

939
00:41:45.540 --> 00:41:48.380
<v Regina Schwartz>instead of decreeing her objectification or death

940
00:41:48.380 --> 00:41:49.340
<v Regina Schwartz>by possession.

941
00:41:49.680 --> 00:41:52.660
<v Regina Schwartz>In other words, such faith simply loves.

942
00:41:53.140 --> 00:41:56.200
<v Regina Schwartz>Where there are prophecies, they will fail.

943
00:41:56.380 --> 00:41:58.800
<v Regina Schwartz>Where there are tongues, they will cease.

944
00:41:59.120 --> 00:42:02.180
<v Regina Schwartz>Where there is knowledge, it will vanish away.

945
00:42:02.620 --> 00:42:04.200
<v Regina Schwartz>Love never fails.

946
00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.320
<v Regina Schwartz>These sentiments are also biblical.

947
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:08.600
<v Regina Schwartz>Thank you.

948
00:42:17.720 --> 00:42:25.000
<v Robert Finnian>Well, thank you very much, Regina.

949
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:28.600
<v Robert Finnian>I'm glad that no mobile phones went off,

950
00:42:28.660 --> 00:42:31.840
<v Robert Finnian>because I forgot to tell you to turn them off before we started.

951
00:42:32.160 --> 00:42:34.180
<v Robert Finnian>And just one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, ten,

952
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:37.180
<v Robert Finnian>there's three messages that I also forgot.

953
00:42:37.300 --> 00:42:40.560
<v Robert Finnian>There are survey forms in the foyer about the Festival of Ideas.

954
00:42:40.620 --> 00:42:41.480
<v Robert Finnian>Please fill them out.

955
00:42:43.060 --> 00:42:46.740
<v Robert Finnian>And vote early and often, as far as I'm concerned.

956
00:42:47.660 --> 00:42:50.220
<v Robert Finnian>I'm quite willing to tell you the answers if you get me afterwards.

957
00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:55.180
<v Robert Finnian>And also, all the sessions of the Festival of Ideas

958
00:42:55.180 --> 00:42:56.660
<v Robert Finnian>have been recorded by 5UV

959
00:42:57.180 --> 00:43:00.920
<v Robert Finnian>and will be replayed on 5UV from time to time

960
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:03.320
<v Robert Finnian>probably in the next 15 years,

961
00:43:03.420 --> 00:43:04.160
<v Robert Finnian>but certainly over the next three years.

962
00:43:04.160 --> 00:43:11.760
<v Robert Finnian>next few months. Now, has anybody got any questions? We should know the drill by now.

963
00:43:11.820 --> 00:43:18.320
<v Robert Finnian>There's a microphone in the hall here and a microphone up in the gods, and they've turned

964
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:24.080
<v Robert Finnian>off the floodlights beside it, so I can actually see you if you're up there now. Yes, sir.

965
00:43:25.300 --> 00:43:35.400
<v Speaker 4>Professor Schwartz, your sentiments are shared by many, and I can understand that you perhaps

966
00:43:35.400 --> 00:43:42.640
<v Speaker 4>sometimes feel persecuted. No doubt you'll have empathetic understanding for your colleague at

967
00:43:42.640 --> 00:43:51.300
<v Speaker 4>Northwestern, Professor Arthur Butts, the writer of The Hoax of the 20th Century, but to my question,

968
00:43:52.540 --> 00:43:53.920
<v Speaker 4>don't you think,

969
00:43:54.080 --> 00:44:00.480
<v Speaker 4>if you're focusing on Christianity only, that you should also now to augment your argument

970
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:10.120
<v Speaker 4>by focusing on the contents of the Babylonian Talmud, because that mindset emerging out of that

971
00:44:10.120 --> 00:44:18.680
<v Speaker 4>material actually divides the world rigorously into them and us, them, the cattle, the goyim,

972
00:44:18.680 --> 00:44:23.680
<v Speaker 4>and us, the chosen people. Sure.

973
00:44:24.720 --> 00:44:32.060
<v Regina Schwartz>Absolutely. I agree with you, and I've just left it to Talmudic scholars to do that work.

974
00:44:32.180 --> 00:44:40.460
<v Regina Schwartz>The reason that I focus so much on the Hebrew Bible is because I think it's had an enormous

975
00:44:40.460 --> 00:44:44.720
<v Regina Schwartz>cultural influence because it has been appropriated by Christianity, but certainly

976
00:44:44.720 --> 00:44:52.400
<v Regina Schwartz>this tradition continues in the Talmud, and it's not restricted to the Judeo-Christian tradition

977
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:54.060
<v Regina Schwartz>either. I mean, certainly, but it's not restricted to the Jewish tradition either.

978
00:44:54.060 --> 00:45:00.120
<v Regina Schwartz>Certainly, other religions around the world are capable of coming up with concepts of identity that are negative.

979
00:45:00.560 --> 00:45:02.540
<v Speaker 4>That was going to be my next question. Thank you.

980
00:45:02.860 --> 00:45:03.700
<v Regina Schwartz>Oh, I'm sorry.

981
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:13.260
<v Speaker 5>Well, thank you for a very interesting talk, Professor Swartz. I wonder, though, if you

982
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:23.100
<v Speaker 5>will give any comments on the idea that all of our concepts of religion, not just Christianity and Judaism,

983
00:45:24.120 --> 00:45:41.880
<v Speaker 5>but all of them seem to include characteristics that could simply be a vehicle for our tenuous grasp of rationality to use as a vehicle to deny a madness in us,

984
00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:49.320
<v Speaker 5>to absolve us and justify a madness. And the thing that prompts me to say that is that

985
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:53.760
<v Speaker 5>all religions have a...

986
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:54.040
<v Speaker 5>...a...

987
00:45:54.060 --> 00:45:57.500
<v Speaker 5>...a numerological and ritualistic nature that is

988
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:02.980
<v Speaker 5>recognised as being closely associated with a wide range of psychiatric illness.

989
00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:05.400
<v Speaker 5>And

990
00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:11.780
<v Speaker 5>that probably the best example of that is probably the writings of, say, someone like

991
00:46:11.780 --> 00:46:17.080
<v Speaker 5>Martin Luther, who, for no other reason than it's reasonably recent, and therefore we have a lot of his personal

992
00:46:17.080 --> 00:46:23.640
<v Speaker 5>writings to refer to. He himself recognises his inability to

993
00:46:23.640 --> 00:46:31.540
<v Speaker 5>control his ritualistic behaviour right down to the classic obsessive-compulsive neurosis of continually washing hands.

994
00:46:33.140 --> 00:46:40.980
<v Speaker 5>And his psychotic episodes repeatedly of hearing voices and visions almost invariably of a paranoid nature.

995
00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:51.280
<v Speaker 5>And his absolute rabid, violent hatred of other groups who often appear to have characteristics which

996
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:53.620
<v Speaker 5>are not enslaved to his more...

997
00:46:53.620 --> 00:46:56.580
<v Speaker 5>morbid fears. In other words,

998
00:46:57.620 --> 00:47:01.440
<v Speaker 5>are we largely mad and use religion as

999
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:02.620
<v Speaker 5>an excuse for it?

1000
00:47:11.260 --> 00:47:11.980
<v Regina Schwartz>Yes.

1001
00:47:15.640 --> 00:47:17.600
<v Regina Schwartz>And yes. Yes, we are

1002
00:47:17.600 --> 00:47:21.360
<v Regina Schwartz>largely mad. People more

1003
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:25.240
<v Regina Schwartz>expert on our psychology than I am

1004
00:47:25.240 --> 00:47:29.500
<v Regina Schwartz>understand that we're really all crazy to different degrees.

1005
00:47:29.900 --> 00:47:33.060
<v Regina Schwartz>And do we use religion? Yes. It's not the only

1006
00:47:33.060 --> 00:47:37.420
<v Regina Schwartz>cultural formation that we use to rationalize and justify

1007
00:47:37.420 --> 00:47:41.440
<v Regina Schwartz>our madness. At various

1008
00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:45.640
<v Regina Schwartz>times, other cultural formations do the work.

1009
00:47:45.860 --> 00:47:48.300
<v Regina Schwartz>I mean, theater can justify our madness.

1010
00:47:49.300 --> 00:47:51.120
<v Regina Schwartz>Pornography can justify our

1011
00:47:51.120 --> 00:47:51.340
<v Regina Schwartz>madness.

1012
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:51.660
<v Regina Schwartz>Madness.

1013
00:47:52.940 --> 00:47:55.240
<v Regina Schwartz>Politics can justify our madness.

1014
00:47:56.260 --> 00:47:59.400
<v Regina Schwartz>So, yes. I mean, we devise cultural institutions

1015
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:02.600
<v Regina Schwartz>to justify our madness, and religion is one of them.

1016
00:48:03.680 --> 00:48:07.100
<v Regina Schwartz>I do think it doesn't have a privileged

1017
00:48:07.100 --> 00:48:10.980
<v Regina Schwartz>position in that story of the justification

1018
00:48:10.980 --> 00:48:15.220
<v Regina Schwartz>of our madness. However, I think because there's both a

1019
00:48:15.220 --> 00:48:19.240
<v Regina Schwartz>dark side and a bright side in religion, the bright side being

1020
00:48:19.240 --> 00:48:20.560
<v Regina Schwartz>charity, generosity,

1021
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:25.460
<v Regina Schwartz>the promiscuity of love rather than the exclusiveness of it.

1022
00:48:25.520 --> 00:48:31.020
<v Regina Schwartz>It can offer therapy for our madness as well as justification for madness.

1023
00:48:37.220 --> 00:48:41.380
<v Speaker 6>Hi. You commented that you've been considered a Bible basher and an atheist.

1024
00:48:41.620 --> 00:48:45.320
<v Speaker 6>And perhaps the term anarchist might be thrown in there as well because amongst

1025
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:49.980
<v Speaker 6>what you've talked about today were two of Proudhon's comments that property is impossible,

1026
00:48:50.240 --> 00:48:51.340
<v Speaker 6>as in, you know, the idea of a Christian being a Christian. And I think that's a great point.

1027
00:48:51.340 --> 00:48:54.040
<v Speaker 6>You know, we cannot truly own things like the land and so forth.

1028
00:48:54.260 --> 00:48:56.340
<v Speaker 6>And you also made a comment that property is theft.

1029
00:48:56.560 --> 00:48:57.340
<v Speaker 6>So, there's...

1030
00:48:57.340 --> 00:48:58.060
<v Speaker 6>Property is what?

1031
00:48:58.200 --> 00:49:01.360
<v Speaker 6>Property is theft is one of Proudhon's comments that he made, and property is impossible.

1032
00:49:01.680 --> 00:49:02.880
<v Speaker 6>We've made two of those comments.

1033
00:49:03.220 --> 00:49:05.000
<v Speaker 6>I was just wondering if you...

1034
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:10.440
<v Speaker 6>if I could try and draw you out on some comments between religions that are like religions of the book,

1035
00:49:11.220 --> 00:49:14.680
<v Speaker 6>such as Judaism, Christianity, Muslim and so forth.

1036
00:49:15.100 --> 00:49:20.820
<v Speaker 6>That relationship between those hierarchical societies and cultures which are basically

1037
00:49:20.820 --> 00:49:23.820
<v Speaker 6>oral traditions where there is more chance to change.

1038
00:49:24.240 --> 00:49:26.540
<v Speaker 6>And none of those oral traditions seem to have...

1039
00:49:27.620 --> 00:49:31.840
<v Speaker 6>they're usually non-hierarchical cultures and they don't have monotheism.

1040
00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:35.420
<v Speaker 6>It seems pretty invariable. So, yeah, if you could draw out some of the relations between that would be great.

1041
00:49:35.620 --> 00:49:36.740
<v Regina Schwartz>Thank you. Yeah. That's helpful.

1042
00:49:37.200 --> 00:49:41.780
<v Regina Schwartz>The last chapter of my book, The Curse of Cain, The Violent Legacy of Monotheism,

1043
00:49:41.860 --> 00:49:46.160
<v Regina Schwartz>is actually engaged with the question of the book, the people of the book,

1044
00:49:46.240 --> 00:49:48.660
<v Regina Schwartz>those who constitute their identity through these stories.

1045
00:49:48.780 --> 00:49:50.800
<v Regina Schwartz>And I talk about the process of Cain.

1046
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:55.760
<v Regina Schwartz>It's a process of canonization whereby some stories are considered authorized and some are excluded.

1047
00:49:55.960 --> 00:50:02.240
<v Regina Schwartz>And the processes by which voices are silenced as stories are left out.

1048
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:08.300
<v Regina Schwartz>So that the process of canonization in theory is a process of exclusivity

1049
00:50:08.300 --> 00:50:13.540
<v Regina Schwartz>that recapitulates the ideology of exclusion and intolerance.

1050
00:50:13.660 --> 00:50:17.860
<v Regina Schwartz>If you can't find your story in there, if your story has been deleted,

1051
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:19.360
<v Regina Schwartz>then you're not part of the community.

1052
00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:25.240
<v Regina Schwartz>That, however, has been countered, just as you so wisely say, by an oral tradition

1053
00:50:25.240 --> 00:50:31.580
<v Regina Schwartz>that has gone alongside of this written process of exclusion and selection.

1054
00:50:32.260 --> 00:50:35.020
<v Regina Schwartz>That is a proliferative tradition.

1055
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:43.100
<v Regina Schwartz>The rabbinic tradition says that when God gave the Bible, the Torah, in a written form,

1056
00:50:43.180 --> 00:50:44.760
<v Regina Schwartz>he also gave it in an oral form.

1057
00:50:44.980 --> 00:50:49.300
<v Regina Schwartz>And that's the form that is authorized by the rabbis through the tradition of interpretation.

1058
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:55.040
<v Regina Schwartz>Well, as long as it's oral, the Bible stories can be fruitful and multiply.

1059
00:50:55.380 --> 00:50:58.760
<v Regina Schwartz>In fact, I end the book suggesting that with Augustine,

1060
00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:04.360
<v Regina Schwartz>that we close the old monotheistic book of exclusivism, terror, and possession

1061
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:07.900
<v Regina Schwartz>so that new Bibles can be fruitful and multiply.

1062
00:51:08.420 --> 00:51:09.580
<v Regina Schwartz>So thank you. Yeah.

1063
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:11.360
<v Robert Finnian>Yes.

1064
00:51:11.700 --> 00:51:12.680
<v Robert Finnian>The last question.

1065
00:51:13.200 --> 00:51:18.340
<v Speaker 7>The cruelties that result from biblical references and so on.

1066
00:51:18.340 --> 00:51:21.580
<v Speaker 7>Are excused by saying it's misinterpretations or out of context.

1067
00:51:21.980 --> 00:51:25.060
<v Speaker 7>Now, God's got the power to send angels anywhere, anytime.

1068
00:51:26.340 --> 00:51:31.540
<v Speaker 7>Like he did tell Joseph that Mary's adultery and pregnancy was due to the Holy Spirit.

1069
00:51:31.900 --> 00:51:37.180
<v Speaker 7>Now, why doesn't, didn't, or now, God telling, through angels,

1070
00:51:37.420 --> 00:51:40.060
<v Speaker 7>say the popes and all the authorities, Calvin and Luther,

1071
00:51:41.700 --> 00:51:47.280
<v Speaker 7>that this behavior interpreted from the Bible are wrong?

1072
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:50.320
<v Speaker 7>Why, he's got the power to send angels anywhere, anytime.

1073
00:51:50.500 --> 00:51:53.800
<v Speaker 7>Why doesn't he send angels to tell the church's authorities

1074
00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:56.280
<v Speaker 7>that they misinterpret or take it out of context?

1075
00:51:56.960 --> 00:52:00.300
<v Regina Schwartz>Gee, I don't know why God does or doesn't do things.

1076
00:52:02.740 --> 00:52:06.300
<v Regina Schwartz>And I would reframe the question to ask,

1077
00:52:06.520 --> 00:52:11.460
<v Regina Schwartz>why do human beings depict God in this way or that way?

1078
00:52:12.580 --> 00:52:14.260
<v Regina Schwartz>Because I think that's all we have.

1079
00:52:14.380 --> 00:52:16.280
<v Regina Schwartz>Finally, I'm a mystical theologian,

1080
00:52:17.380 --> 00:52:20.960
<v Regina Schwartz>and the God in my life cannot be depicted.

1081
00:52:21.060 --> 00:52:24.520
<v Regina Schwartz>And I think that depicting God is a kind of idolatry.

1082
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:27.900
<v Regina Schwartz>And we, and, yeah.

1083
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:35.400
<v Regina Schwartz>I think that's why these stories about God have been so troublesome, actually,

1084
00:52:35.500 --> 00:52:38.540
<v Regina Schwartz>is that there, any attempt to capture God.

1085
00:52:38.620 --> 00:52:44.020
<v Regina Schwartz>There's a story I often tell my students about a minister

1086
00:52:44.020 --> 00:52:46.620
<v Regina Schwartz>who's sitting at the table with his son,

1087
00:52:46.620 --> 00:52:48.260
<v Regina Schwartz>and his son says to his father,

1088
00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:49.360
<v Regina Schwartz>is God everywhere, Daddy?

1089
00:52:49.460 --> 00:52:51.200
<v Regina Schwartz>And the minister says, well, yes.

1090
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:54.020
<v Regina Schwartz>And his son says, well, then, is he in the dining room with us?

1091
00:52:54.080 --> 00:52:55.300
<v Regina Schwartz>And his father said, well, I suppose.

1092
00:52:55.680 --> 00:52:57.100
<v Regina Schwartz>And he said, is he even at this table?

1093
00:52:57.160 --> 00:52:58.140
<v Regina Schwartz>And his father said, I suppose.

1094
00:52:58.300 --> 00:53:00.880
<v Regina Schwartz>So then his son picked up the lid to the sugar bowl

1095
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:03.320
<v Regina Schwartz>and clamped it on the sugar bowl and said, gotcha, God.

1096
00:53:04.380 --> 00:53:07.500
<v Regina Schwartz>So that's the kind of idolatry that I think is inherent

1097
00:53:07.500 --> 00:53:10.160
<v Regina Schwartz>in descriptions of God, that kind of gotcha God

1098
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:14.460
<v Regina Schwartz>that I think is indeed violent and possessive.

1099
00:53:16.620 --> 00:53:17.820
<v Robert Finnian>We are technically out of time.

1100
00:53:17.860 --> 00:53:19.420
<v Robert Finnian>If you have a quick question.

1101
00:53:19.560 --> 00:53:20.360
<v Robert Finnian>Yeah, quick question.

1102
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:20.700
<v Robert Finnian>Thank you.

1103
00:53:21.080 --> 00:53:23.980
<v Speaker 3>I might not add really to the comfort of the human beings,

1104
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<v Speaker 3>because we said before, human beings are mad,

1105
00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:27.640
<v Speaker 3>and I think they're stupid as well.

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00:53:27.740 --> 00:53:32.000
<v Speaker 3>But because I think that it's not so much the belief in property

1107
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:35.860
<v Speaker 3>that it stems from, but the inability to accept something different

1108
00:53:35.860 --> 00:53:38.360
<v Speaker 3>that started a lot of wars on religious grounds as well.

1109
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:41.420
<v Speaker 3>How would you make the connection between, like, saying,

1110
00:53:41.500 --> 00:53:43.800
<v Speaker 3>the fight for a land on religious reasons,

1111
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:46.600
<v Speaker 3>and also, but also the fact that other people,

1112
00:53:46.620 --> 00:53:48.880
<v Speaker 3>people coming to that land have just another culture,

1113
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:51.780
<v Speaker 3>and thus being alien, and thus the human being mind,

1114
00:53:51.900 --> 00:53:54.940
<v Speaker 3>the human being's mind is not able to grapple with that differences,

1115
00:53:55.040 --> 00:53:56.800
<v Speaker 3>and that started quite a few wars as well.

1116
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:00.380
<v Speaker 3>How would you make the connection between that?

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<v Regina Schwartz>I don't think that these two twin problems

1118
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<v Regina Schwartz>of a lack of understanding of difference, on the one hand,

1119
00:54:10.520 --> 00:54:14.900
<v Regina Schwartz>as you depict it, and the drive to ownership are unrelated.

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<v Regina Schwartz>I think that one accompanies the other.

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00:54:17.900 --> 00:54:22.860
<v Regina Schwartz>That is, if you say, okay, I understand myself as a member of this community,

1122
00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:28.420
<v Regina Schwartz>and this community is bounded, and identified, and possessed,

1123
00:54:28.700 --> 00:54:36.620
<v Regina Schwartz>and is a possessor, that then feeds into a lack of understanding of difference.

1124
00:54:36.900 --> 00:54:41.140
<v Regina Schwartz>Part of the reason that you cannot understand the other

1125
00:54:41.140 --> 00:54:44.700
<v Regina Schwartz>is that they're really not part of,

1126
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<v Regina Schwartz>of the boundaries that you have drawn.

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00:54:46.500 --> 00:54:48.640
<v Regina Schwartz>I mean, the whole thing is very much boundary drawing.

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<v Regina Schwartz>At one point when I was working on the book, I thought,

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<v Regina Schwartz>you know, what would happen if people came from Mars,

1130
00:54:53.980 --> 00:54:57.980
<v Regina Schwartz>and looked at the Earth, and saw all these lines dividing up nations,

1131
00:54:58.700 --> 00:55:01.040
<v Regina Schwartz>and were told that, you know, a whole generation,

1132
00:55:01.240 --> 00:55:04.800
<v Regina Schwartz>several generations have been murdered in the 20th century

1133
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:09.180
<v Regina Schwartz>over refiguring where you put these lines in Europe.

1134
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<v Regina Schwartz>How could someone understand that?

1135
00:55:12.000 --> 00:55:14.280
<v Regina Schwartz>I mean, an awful lot of the time,

1136
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<v Regina Schwartz>not understanding the other,

1137
00:55:17.480 --> 00:55:20.980
<v Regina Schwartz>or depicting the other as the abhorred, abject, and alien,

1138
00:55:21.060 --> 00:55:24.340
<v Regina Schwartz>is feeding the ideology of possession,

1139
00:55:24.580 --> 00:55:27.380
<v Regina Schwartz>because you feel like someone might take what is yours.

1140
00:55:27.680 --> 00:55:30.840
<v Regina Schwartz>But if you get out of the thinking of what is mine and what is yours,

1141
00:55:30.900 --> 00:55:35.520
<v Regina Schwartz>you also get out of the thinking of the other and the same.

1142
00:55:36.520 --> 00:55:38.920
<v Regina Schwartz>But all barriers begin to break down.

1143
00:55:39.040 --> 00:55:39.880
<v Regina Schwartz>All the boundaries do.

1144
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:44.320
<v Regina Schwartz>And you start identifying, seeing analogy, and sharing.

1145
00:55:44.700 --> 00:55:47.440
<v Regina Schwartz>You end up with this vision of generosity

1146
00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:49.140
<v Regina Schwartz>in which there's no reason to hoard,

1147
00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:53.240
<v Regina Schwartz>because there's ideally enough to go around,

1148
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<v Regina Schwartz>and that should inspire an ethic of generosity.

1149
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<v Speaker 5>Well...

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you.

1151
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<v Speaker 8>Thank you very much, Regina.

1152
00:56:07.660 --> 00:56:10.500
<v Robert Finnian>You mentioned at the beginning that you feel unfashionable

1153
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<v Robert Finnian>for going back to canonical texts.

1154
00:56:12.080 --> 00:56:16.540
<v Robert Finnian>And I felt a sort of fellow feeling with that.

1155
00:56:17.580 --> 00:56:19.900
<v Robert Finnian>But far from being a Bible-bashing atheist,

1156
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<v Robert Finnian>I think you've shown us the value

1157
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:23.780
<v Robert Finnian>of going back to the sources of our cultural identity,

1158
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:25.720
<v Robert Finnian>but going back with critical eyes.

1159
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<v Robert Finnian>So thank you very much.

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<v Robert Finnian>APPLAUSE

