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This session of the 2013 Adelaide festival of ideas was recorded by
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radio Adelaide through the support of the vast mid library,
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university of Adelaide,
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the university of south Australia library and Flinders university library.
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Well, good evening. My name is Stephen Yarwood.
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I'm the Lord mayor of the city of Adelaide,
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and it gives me great pleasure to welcome you all here for this wonderful debate
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tonight.
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It is also my job to acknowledge that we're on the traditional land of the
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Kaurna people.
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And I always talk about how we need to all think about how we can respect their
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cultural and spiritual connection to the land. Well,
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Adelaide city council has always supported the festival of
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ideas from its inception and very pleased that we continues to
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support it today and particularly pleased to have this wonderful debate here in
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this beautiful Adelaide town hall of hours. It's wonderful to see you all here.
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I'm really keen to let the ideas flow at the town hall.
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And this is a wonderful opportunity.
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I think most of you know exactly where I stand when it comes to the internet,
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but I'm certainly looking forward to the debate in suing tonight.
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So without further ado, I'd like to encourage you all have a wonderful time,
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make some noise and please welcome Sophie black.
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[Inaudible]
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[inaudible].
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Thank you, Lord mayor.
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And thank you to Adelaide city council for supporting this event.
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I'm Sophie black, the director of the Adelaide festival of ideas,
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and you're in for an intellectual intellectual treat slash smack down
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tonight as both teams face off in tonight's battle of the ideas.
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But first a few notes, please switch your phones to silent,
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but make sure you tweet and Instagram using at ADL F
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O I and the hashtag hashtag ADL FOI
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and the hashtag the internet is evil.
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You don't need to agree with that, but just,
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we will go with the one hashtag I think also be sure to vote for your
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favorite team, but not until the end of the debate.
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Don't make your mind up too early and wait until your host prompts you and he'll
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take you through it, but I'll just explain it. It's very, very simple.
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You can either text or tweet. So you text the relevant key word,
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2 0 4 2 9 double 8 3 4 8 1.
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And this number will come up again and a standard call charges apply,
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or you can tweet the key word and
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include at poll. So there are two key words. Yes.
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The internet is evil. Your keyword is vote. Yes and no.
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The internet is not evil. Your keyword is vote. No, all one word,
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all one.
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Now please join me in welcoming to the stage, your host,
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Julian Morrow,
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plus warring team members. Katherine Viner,
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Andrew Marlton, AK first dog on the moon.
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David Marr versus Jonathan Kneebone,
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Rick Smolan and Annabel Crabb.
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Thanks very much Sophie, where else Baker's give him a big round of applause,
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ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard
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[inaudible]. Yes.
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My name is Julian Morrow and I'm from the ABC.
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It's a great pleasure to be here, but because I am from the ABC,
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it's important that I am imbalanced.
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So I also have to say it's also not a great pleasure to be here.
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For those of you who haven't heard of anything I've ever done,
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which is probably most of you.
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I looked it up on a single Wikipedia earlier on and it's an
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open source encyclopedia
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and that's actually one of the few accurate things I've read on Wikipedia.
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So it hasn't been vandalized at all our topic tonight,
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the internet is evil discuss from Lolcats to
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Google and everything in between from activism to activism,
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the NSA to the Arab spring, Gonzo porn,
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to the death of the media and the music industry who writes this stuff in the
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promos for these events. That's what you came here to see.
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And something like it will occur over the next hour.
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My role is not to take one side or the other.
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I'm here as a moderator,
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given that the am known for moderation across the country.
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My approach to tonight's debate will be essentially what I'm going to call the
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ISP approach. I will be hosting this event,
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but I will not be taking any responsibility for content.
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You don't worry though, because the,
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the event itself will be strictly policed by Acme,
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the Australian communications and media authority.
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So we can say whatever we like, and no one will be punished. It's fine.
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Just a bit of a warning because tonight is about the internet.
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Some of the content may be a little bit explicit.
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If there's anyone in the room who is under 18,
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it's very important that you start a fake email accounts and say that you're
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over 18 should take a couple of minutes,
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but you'll be fine to see everything that's on tonight.
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The debate of course we'll follow the traditions of,
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of debate that the internet has established.
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One person will come up and say something,
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a very strident opinion about something they don't truly understand.
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They will then be a stupid response from the other side,
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an intense heated argument. Somebody will be called guy,
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and then everyone will be banned. So it's going to be a fun evening.
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Of course the form of debate involves an affirmative and a negative.
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For those of you who haven't seen the debate before I thought I'd give you a
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little bit of an orientation the affirmative for example, that they kind of,
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they might say, oh, you know, there's a diversity of news opinions on the web,
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things like that. The negative team might say, yeah, but that's just, you know,
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I we'll just print all those things.
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Although it's actually the other way round on this one, anyway,
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it doesn't matter. Yeah, people might say, well,
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you know the internet is good because it allows star Trek pans to socialize.
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And the negative is also say, yeah,
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but that increases the likelihood that they'll reproduce formative might say,
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you know, look, it's the biggest repository of information in human history.
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Negative, we'll say here, but most of that's about Paris Hilton.
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The affirmative will say it allows distant relatives to stay in touch.
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That's what the Internet's all about. And the negative will say, yeah,
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but the internet allows distant relatives to stay in touch. Sure.
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Your family might say you know,
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the internet allows democratization of information.
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Negative we'll point out that means idiots get a voice.
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That's the sort of structure that we're having this evening.
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It'll go affirmative, negative, affirmative negative. You've only got about,
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I think it's six or seven minutes for each person to speak. Now,
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normally the debate you'd ring a bell. When you get to the time limit,
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I thought we'd changed that a bit to try and make it appropriate for the
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internet. If you go over your allotted time during tonight's debate,
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this will happen. No, it won't happen.
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Nothing will happen.
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The man being upstaged by his own powerpoint, I love it. Oh, I see.
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None of that's work, oh there you go that's what's going to happen.
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Can I just pause there to say let's give a big round of applause to the Auslan
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interpreter. [inaudible]
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I thought I'd give you a quick, well, actually, by the way,
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every speaker tonight has been asked to nominate their favorite bit of the
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internet.
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And the reason I played that was cause that's actually Andrew Marlton first dog
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on the moon likes and yarn cats who knew.
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So we'll hear a little bit about that throughout the evening.
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I'm confused as to which side I'm on now. Oh, it doesn't matter.
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Don't worry about it. I thought I'd give you a quick history.
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All. Yes. That's the non-Cat site.
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The reason I love the internet because there's on YouTube.
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There's a 10 hour rendition of the neon cat.
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That's what, that's the sort, you know, human ingenuity.
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That's being unleashed by the internet. All right, look, I'll give you a quick,
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quick history of the internet.
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I didn't actually know what the internet was until this morning.
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I had to Google it.
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So my history is going to be poorly researched full of conspiracy theories
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and involve a large amount of material about star Trek. But broadly speaking,
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the internet was developed back in the 1970s by the U S department of
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defense,
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who at the height of the cold war realized that the American military needed a
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technology that would allow fast, easy, and secure access to pornography
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In 1971,
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Ray Tomlinson at BBN made history when he created the world's first email
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program.
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That was actually the only thing Ray invented because he spent the rest of his
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life deleting spam from his inbox in 1974.
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Bob can use the term internet for the first time. In 1991,
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Tim Berners Lee launched the worldwide web projects.
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He was an idealistic and great man who believed that the web should be made
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available to everyone for free the decision that the industry has been trying to
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reverse ever since. Let's get on with the debate. Ladies and gentlemen.
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We begin just tomorrow, just quickly. Look,
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we we all got together and we got you with a fish dog on the
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moon tea towel
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with love to Julian from cath David and
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you know.
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So please vote on the winner of the debate. Now, if you can
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I dunno, it's an open question, but they're available in the shop they're.
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Available in the shop.
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Reputable retail retailers. I'm sure let's get on with it.
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The internet is evil discuss. It's my great pleasure to welcome now,
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the editor of the guardian Australia,
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Kath Viner and now Kath came from the United Kingdom to Australia without a
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criminal conviction. So she should be at home in Adelaide.
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I think it's very appropriate that she's here.
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Very appropriate.
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That's a good accolade recently gave the AAN Smith
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Memorial lecture.
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And I'm told that the intellectual substance of her lecture was a great tribute
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to Anna Nicole Smith. It was a beautiful,
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beautiful aeration I'm told now Kath obviously has
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thought deeply about this topic because her nomination for the thing that
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she most likes on the internet is a very poignant piece of video.
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It's about two minutes long,
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but given that we all grew up in the internet generation,
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that was a little bit too long for me. I couldn't,
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I couldn't actually last at the end of it. So I've had to edit it down,
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but let's, before we welcome Kath to the stage,
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let's have a look a bit at a bit of cat's favorite bit of the internet.
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Now I know Cath probably couldn't vote in the most recent election,
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but I'm assuming she wouldn't have voted for Kevin Rogers.
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She's not a fan of selfies plays make her welcome ladies and gentlemen,
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Cath Viner.
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Ladies or gentlemen of beautiful, beautiful Adelaide.
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And the rest of my team are funny and lovable, but I'm afraid.
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You've got me first ladies and gentlemen,
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the internet is evil. The internet is ruining life. As we know it,
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it's ruining my life. It's ruining your life.
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It's ruling all of our lives and our collective life.
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It's destroying who we are at the airport yesterday.
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I encountered a familiar yet mournful theme,
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a family of three, a man swiping away at an iPad,
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mini a small child, blocked to the world with enormous headphones,
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plugged into an iPad and a woman looking half-heartedly at her phone.
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Suddenly the woman looked up, she smiled at me imploring.
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Talk to me, the smile said, talk to them, make them,
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talk to me,
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make this stop in the words of Rebecca Solnit.
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It's hard now to be with someone else wholly uninterruptedly.
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And it's hard to be truly alone. Before, about 1995,
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we had long languorous phone calls with each other events.
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We look forward to the phone was fixed to a wall
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children. So we were fixed in the moment getting close to one another.
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Now, if we call anyone at all, we're walking or driving or on a train,
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shouting at shatter with sharing our chatter with the carriage.
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But mostly we don't call we text or tweet or post a message on Facebook or DM,
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or I am anything to avoid an actual chat with an
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actual human. When you do meet in person, that was the point of that film.
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You don't get their undivided attention and you don't give it either
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bonds. The kind that we built up over centuries are fracturing before our eyes
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intimacy is lost close. No more. Meanwhile,
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we happily invade our own privacy,
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revealing so much of our lives to everyone else.
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Our lives are filtered for the external gaze turn humans into a species of
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brackets, showing off boasting about our exceptional achievements,
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our specialists, our perfect lives.
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And so many of these conversations we have with each other now, or in public,
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we discuss something. We make a plan. We meet for coffee. Why in public?
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Why has the internet made us require? We have witnesses to our lives?
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Are we nothing without big brother
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in happily forsaking our privacy we've given a gift to any would be or
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authoritarian government of the present or the future.
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We now know the U S is spying on our, all our emails and our phone calls.
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This is very grave and has led to at least three major surveillance reform bills
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with cross party support in the U S but few seem to mind in
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comfortable Australia or complacent Britain.
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They mind in Germany because Germans know where mass surveillance can lead.
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We should be afraid to. And ladies and gentlemen,
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what about civility?
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Kindness is hard to find on the internet. What is abused as a matter of course,
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a British woman, Caroline creative,
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pres who did a campaign to get a woman featured on Britain's.
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Banknotes not exactly radical,
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just a woman on a banknote and she succeeded.
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And she got Jane Austin on a bank moat.
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She was subjected to a campaign of death and rape threats that were specific and
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taken seriously by the police on Twitter.
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Many other prominent women enjoy the same fate all for Jane Austin on a bank
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note. And what about the truth?
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The internet is close to destroying the truth.
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Turning us away from the clear contained dependable facts you find in
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glorious news sprint.
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I was assigned this side of the argument when the Boston marathon was
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bombed, the internet name was CircleCI puffy.
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then several of Australia's TV news stations and newspaper websites did the
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same, but neither of them did, did it.
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Paulson ultra puffy was in fact,
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a missing student later found dead in a river in the UK.
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When a footballer was found guilty of rape,
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his family went on Twitter and named his victim,
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writing deeply unpleasant things about her.
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One quarter of Americans think Obama was born abroad because they read it on the
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internet in such a free for all. No one's reputation is safe.
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Ladies and gentlemen, there will be some last tonight. I'll be at non so far,
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but make no. This is a new dark ages.
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We are steps away from Salem.
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As Nicholas car says the computer screen bulldoze is our doubts with its
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bounties and conveniences.
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It is so much our servant that it would seem churlish to notice that it is
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also a master resist ladies and gentlemen,
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the internet has ruined our lives while appearing to liberate liberator's
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destroyed intimacy, civility, profundity,
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and truth. The internet is evil. Thank you.
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Thanks very much, Kathy. Sorry. I had to duck out there.
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I had to update my Facebook. So I
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I assume that you made some really profound points
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negative team. Are you,
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are you convinced that you actually going to give up now,
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does anyone really seriously want to oppose what Kath has said?
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I would just like to ask Kath about what she does in Australia. Exactly.
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There's a downside to everything Annabelle. But what's your current position?
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Katherine Viner. I'm the editor of God, you know, Australia, which yes,
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it's a digital only newspaper publication. Oh an online publication?
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No further questions, your honor. I was assigned this side.
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I didn't choose it.
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I'm not sure when being a media proprietor and being
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evil were incompatible though. I think that's,
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to me that seems to be fairly common place. So you're, you're, you're,
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you're going to continue with the negative cases. Is that right?
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I would say she's argued that people, not the internet in and of itself,
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I've just been desperate to say in and of itself.
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It sounds so sophisticated rather than the internet or evil.
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That's what I think Katherine just said.
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Doug, are you you exist online as well?
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Do you seriously think that it's as bad as that.
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It's horrible? No, I Just because I work, I mean,
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the fact that I work online only makes me an expert and I can,
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I can safely say it's it's, it's truly terrible. I mean,
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have you been on the internet? Well, that's.
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Actually a question I wanted to ask David Marr [inaudible].
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That's the kind of scandalous cheap question that you put all the time.
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And I prefer not to answer it until my time comes to speak. Take that as a no.
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The moon doesn't mean you did exactly that. There's no air on the moon.
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That's very philosophical, but unconvincing. Okay. Let's move on. All right.
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The first speaker for the negative man,
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Jonathan Kneebone,
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Jonathan works for a fantastic advertising organization called the
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glue society.
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Now he's nominated a bit of his intervenes net, which is his favorite,
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which I must say I hadn't come across. Has anyone
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heard of pronunciation manual? It's absolutely fantastic.
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It's an online YouTube resource that God's people in the pronunciation of
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words as an example he is the pronunciation
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manual for the word month.
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There are thousands of those and I hired you to adopt them and
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spread them as far as you can doing that little bit for cultural
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misunderstanding around the world. Now Jonathan has, I said,
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he's from the glue society, which is an advertising agency,
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but it's simultaneously commercially successful,
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but also renowned for its creative integrity.
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He really is the George Clooney of Australian advertised. Sorry,
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I should say he's the Dean.
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Gorgeous Gord clowning.
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It's a very tough gig tonight. Big old Clowney of Australian advertising.
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Ladies and gentlemen, please make welcome Jonathan Kneebone
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[inaudible].
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Thank you very much, Jim.
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It occurs to me as one of the only unknown's on the panel,
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but south Samson must've been busy
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and we all know that Russell Howcroft is busy because he's desperately trying to
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get us off of the ABC to watch channel 10, which is rather extraordinary.
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Anyway, what I've realized is that I'm never going to win a logical argument,
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not with these esteemed minds, I'm going to have to go straight to the heart.
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argument that the internet is,
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is not evil stems from the fact that it's one huge party
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where we all globally share things that are completely mindless.
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It connects cultures at the lowest possible denominator level.
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And everyone's invited, particularly if they're anonymous,
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it's the most participatory experience ever.
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And yes, in a few moments time,
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we're going prove it just to warn you.
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So first, a true story.
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In 1985,
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a guy called Al B Albert Boyce during
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halftime in basketball games in America, he used to do a sort of rhythmic dance.
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He used to sort of do this movement as if he was wrapped up like an Egyptian
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mummy. And the only thing he could do was shake.
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This was in a place called Rucker park in Harlem in
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2001,
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a rapper called G DEP did a video for let's get it. And it's,
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it's sort of featured, brought to life. This,
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this particular shaky Harlem thing in
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2006, a girl called young B popularized.
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It it was an evolution of the Harlem shake and it was called chicken noodle soup
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on may the 22nd, 2012,
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a DJ called Bauer whose real name was Henry Rodriguez sampled a
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song the plastic plastic littles track Miller time,
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which included the word Harlem shake on February.
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The first 2013,
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a guy called filthy Frank of lager whose real name is possibly George Miller
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posted this
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[inaudible] On February, the second five teenagers in Belle Vista, Queensland,
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Matt Stanion, Corey Walsh, Jimmy Dale, George Warren, Oscar Mitchell.
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It was raining in Queensland. It was still me. They posted this
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[inaudible] Eight days later,
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the know the Danish army posted this.
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[Inaudible].
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Say days later, 4,000 videos a day were being uploaded, including by
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[inaudible]
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February 18. Even the daily
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[inaudible]
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February 20.
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Over 40,000, where online,
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everyone was working out how to go from
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someone in a helmet dog thing while everyone else ignored them to the
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point where everyone could participate.
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March the 31st, we're over a hundred thousand variants now,
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and believe it or not on April the 20th,
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1.2,
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1 billion views is the fastest clip
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on YouTube to get to a billion in twice as fast as Gangnam style,
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six times first and then called me.
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Maybe I've had to rush through that because six months later on
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Saturday, October the 19th,
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it's the Harlem shake. Adelaide style
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pot one. Did anyone bring a motorbike?
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So today's one here.
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There's a lady here. Could you just stand up one here?
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Oh, we've got a helmet. Can I ask a name? Karen. Karen,
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are you prepared to do the opening part of this?
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Say what that means is you're going to dance in isolation for the first 15
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seconds.
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While I pretend to give a really boring lecture to the rest of the room,
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your motivation is to imagine it's the other side's argument being
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so really bored. Everybody really bought. Are you ready? Karen helmet on?
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And we got the camera ready. We need a camera on stage to film this because yes.
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Thank you very much.
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This is going to be live on the internet by the end of the debate. Okay,
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so.
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Ready? Ready board.
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[inaudible].
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Okay, good. We got the first part done Everyone up, everyone up
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made some inflatables. Can I get an inflatable?
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I've never worked in
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I need to release the mass that he would have an inflatable.
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Come on. Thank you. Sorry.
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We're really getting close to being over time. Can you, oh, sorry. Oh,
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thank you. Alright.
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Okay. So you're going to get 15 seconds.
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You're going to get 15 seconds of music. You don't have to do anything,
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but on the drop, you've got to go wild. All right, Here we go.
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Karen, you should be
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going. [inaudible - video playing]
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I think we've proved the internet is not evil because in an hour's time,
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we're on it.
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Great. Good job. Thank you. Todd
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Samson, ladies and gentlemen.
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Oh, so glad Todd was busy tonight.
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And I've got to say, Lord Major,
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it's amazing what props you can find backstage at the town hall
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that was pure coincidence. One huge party.
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That's what debate is always about.
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I just wish parliamentary debate was like that.
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Don't you think that'd be far better?
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I'm not sure that you actually argued the point Though. As far as
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I can tell you just wrote 10 dates down. I was so confused about
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the thing that really struck me about that was that the people who teed it off
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were five teenagers in Queensland. I mean, nothing else. John's speeches,
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a plaintive cry for increased education funding
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in that state. Hi. I have a question, Julian,
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what the hell do you think you're doing?
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I've always wanted to do the Hobbit shake. Yes.
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I'm sorry, team. I'm sorry. Even if it's at the expense of our side.
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Sorry guys. Join us. No the internet is still evil, it's just a nice dance.
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I want to ask you one thing, Jonathan. I mean, you took a big risk.
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Were you really that confident that there'd be somebody in the audience who had
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a motorcycle helmet? It's amazing. What a hundred bucks can do
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you hear that, Andrew? Yeah. Amazing what 100
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bucks can do. Do you take visa? Amazing
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what 200 bucks can do that? Yeah.
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Given them where all of the ABC,
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this is just your taxes being circulated around five on stage.
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Just out of interest.
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Is there anyone actually been involved in a Harlem shake before where you all
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Harlem shake virgins before this? Oh, good.
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David. No, this is a 70 year old man over there. Who said five times
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and one in the new door. Well, there you go.
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I think that break breaks the form server anyway, still well done.
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That was absolutely superb. It's time now to throw back to the party poopers
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come with cash though. So it's time now to hear from Andrew Malton,
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although you probably don't know him as Andrew Malton,
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you probably know him as first dog on the moon.
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Now like many things to do with the moon.
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I actually believe that Andrew Malton is a conspiracy who was liked by the CIA.
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And in fact,
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the things that are supposed to have happened at area 51 are far less weird than
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first off on the moon cartoon.
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First over the moon for some years has been publishing on,
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I think called the internet and
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on a publication called crock examine, read cracky. It's a quick one.
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How many, Hey, how are you for cracking
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fast, smaller number? I thought so. Okay. I've got a couple of, I used to,
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I used to. Yeah.
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Now Andrew is very distinctive cartooning style as with so many things in
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history happens in a way by accident it's because the
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proprietors of crikey agreed to pay him by the word.
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And ever since he's been kind of elaborating the world's longer,
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he, I think he said he wanted to walk away before it was the Walkley for longest
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cartoon ever. He's the finalist every year.
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But he will be breaking the form tonight and speaking to us. Well,
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I think there might be the, of some props actually, ladies and gentlemen,
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please welcome the first dog on the moon. Andrew Marlton
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[inaudible].
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Good evening. Thank you so much for,
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for having me along tonight. I am first job on the moon.
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I am a cartoonist and as has been noted I'm
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Australia's first ever. Full-Time only online cartoonist.
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Ah, that's true.
482
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My cartoons are never printed only ever on the web and
483
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obviously this makes me an internet expert and
484
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I I'm quite a good one.
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I think it's reasonable to say that for someone,
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with my credentials,
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someone who's an actual internet celebrity that for me to stand up here
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in front of you all this evening to say how awful the internet is,
489
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that it must be true because I mean, I'm a professional.
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I know what I'm doing.
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So I'm here to tell you this evening to even warn you this evening,
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that the internet is clearly evil. Here is a picture of it.
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[Inaudible].
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Any decent, hardworking Australian, or even those on the negative.
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Anyone who spends any time you wandering along the sinister highways and byways
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00:37:17.931 --> 00:37:19.700
of the worldwide web and they,
497
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:24.650
they call it the web for a reason we'll have encountered some truly
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00:37:24.651 --> 00:37:28.160
awful things right. Accidentally or otherwise.
499
00:37:29.030 --> 00:37:32.060
So the question is if there's terrible things, it means,
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00:37:32.150 --> 00:37:36.260
and it does that actually make it evil. Well, yes it does.
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00:37:36.261 --> 00:37:40.820
And I'll explain that. I have two words for you. Facebook
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00:37:48.410 --> 00:37:50.330
it's evil. Yes it is.
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00:37:50.331 --> 00:37:53.630
It's it's stopped working.
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00:37:56.840 --> 00:37:59.870
It's going backwards. You should.
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Okay. Where was I Facebook now?
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Doesn't that make you want to kill somebody? All right. I know I do.
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00:38:12.410 --> 00:38:17.330
How many billions of hours we as a species collectively
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lost to say something like Farmville on Facebook. All right.
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All that time wasted that could have been spent with our loved ones in the
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real world,
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or perhaps perhaps curing cancer or thinking
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00:38:33.711 --> 00:38:37.900
about how nobody about us and our lives are empty and sad.
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00:38:39.970 --> 00:38:44.500
The negative will try to suggest that being able to carry the sum total of human
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00:38:44.501 --> 00:38:47.770
knowledge around on your phone is a good thing,
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00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:53.050
but it's not like you're ever going to read it. Is it
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my bedside table?
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00:38:57.720 --> 00:39:02.250
My bedside table is groaning with unread books because I spent whole,
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my time creating the internet.
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00:39:06.900 --> 00:39:11.790
And the internet is Kneebone only as good as the people who are
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in it. And people are awful. In the old days,
521
00:39:15.241 --> 00:39:19.710
you could hide in your house or you could live underground, but not anymore.
522
00:39:20.430 --> 00:39:24.450
The terrible internet people are everywhere. And obviously when I say people,
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I don't mean you, of course, or Mr.
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I mean, I mean, these people,
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all of the terrible little internet friends who,
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who people so much draws online now,
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00:39:42.270 --> 00:39:45.990
they may argue that the incident is more than the people it's filled with.
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It's what you do with it.
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00:39:47.430 --> 00:39:51.720
It's counts like a Harlem shake or audience participation is
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a winning strategy.
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00:39:53.910 --> 00:39:57.990
The incident perhaps they might say is a tool like a hammer or a pair of those
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00:39:58.140 --> 00:40:02.340
really handy needle, nose pliers. I love those.
533
00:40:05.130 --> 00:40:09.600
Plus they may even argue that blaming the internet for the things that are in it
534
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is the same as hiding weapons of mass destruction in a shed,
535
00:40:13.560 --> 00:40:17.550
and then blaming the shed. But what if the sheds in ours?
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00:40:19.410 --> 00:40:21.690
And of course, when it Comes to the incident,
537
00:40:23.310 --> 00:40:26.430
You can't trust anything on their websites can be hacked.
538
00:40:26.460 --> 00:40:29.760
People can pretend to be something or someone they're not. For example,
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I did some investigative journalism and it's not actually that hard I don't know
540
00:40:34.620 --> 00:40:35.910
what everybody is on about.
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And I found this the internet
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Really bad.
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I have to tell you it is, it don't believe me. I am from the,
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I was, I was as shocked as you are, but it gets worse.
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00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:10.220
Gosh, the internet is evil. Isn't it also how is,
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I don't want to go to this stupid ideas festivals and Julian Morrow.
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00:41:17.190 --> 00:41:21.750
What a dickhead. I dunno what to say.
548
00:41:21.930 --> 00:41:22.770
I don't know what to say.
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00:41:23.010 --> 00:41:27.780
And of course I had to look at Jonathan Kneebone's
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Twitter Account. If that's your real name, Mr. Kneebone,
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00:41:33.380 --> 00:41:37.160
I work in advertising. So everything I say is true. And I reckon that in and of
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00:41:37.160 --> 00:41:41.900
Itself, the internet Is like a big evil out of control.
553
00:41:41.901 --> 00:41:46.550
Baby babies are evil. And so is the internet. No, really it is.
554
00:41:47.540 --> 00:41:49.970
Do we even know these people are who they say they are.
555
00:41:52.250 --> 00:41:55.520
If you still think that the internet is not evil,
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00:41:56.090 --> 00:42:00.140
I'm tell him I'm standing in a room with 300 people.
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I'm not sure this is a degrade ID,
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but I'm going to sell you something really terrible.
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Think of the worst thing that you can think of.
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00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:11.060
I'm thinking of it. All right.
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00:42:11.270 --> 00:42:15.410
I bet that not only does someone have a sexual fetish for it,
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00:42:15.860 --> 00:42:18.500
but there is a website for it. Now
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00:42:20.120 --> 00:42:23.390
my little pony is a cartoon about magical ponies.
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00:42:23.390 --> 00:42:25.730
Look away, kids look away. If there.
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00:42:25.730 --> 00:42:29.360
Are children, if there are children, it's intended for little children,
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00:42:29.361 --> 00:42:32.810
but not according to the internet. All right,
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00:42:33.260 --> 00:42:34.820
I'm going to show you all, some,
568
00:42:36.020 --> 00:42:39.000
some my little pony porn now. It's okay.
569
00:42:39.080 --> 00:42:42.470
How you can actually look away in there. I took off the soundtrack.
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00:42:43.100 --> 00:42:46.700
You must understand that if there was no internet,
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00:42:47.120 --> 00:42:49.430
I wouldn't even know about my little pony,
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00:42:50.150 --> 00:42:52.790
let alone be able to find any to show you.
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Unless of course I drew it myself,
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00:42:55.640 --> 00:42:59.840
which is a subject for another festival altogether. And anyway,
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00:43:01.670 --> 00:43:05.810
I don't draw bottoms. It's not nice. So, and when I say, of course,
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00:43:05.811 --> 00:43:08.210
my little pony point, I don't mean from a high,
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00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:15.020
well anyway, pay, be prepared to look away in a
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00:43:16.640 --> 00:43:17.473
3, 2, 1,
579
00:43:22.090 --> 00:43:23.950
tell me that's not evil.
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00:43:25.970 --> 00:43:28.270
And there's more all right, this and this,
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00:43:28.450 --> 00:43:30.910
this isn't even the worst tenure actually,
582
00:43:30.911 --> 00:43:34.660
but the people actually make this stuff. And I mean, it takes me, I mean,
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00:43:34.661 --> 00:43:37.660
not what the pony is doing, but to actually to make that.
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00:43:37.661 --> 00:43:42.490
And then there's this one, which I think is probably
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00:43:43.060 --> 00:43:46.910
The most offensive. And, and this one too, which is
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00:43:51.250 --> 00:43:55.630
I'm so sorry. I have, I have no idea how that happened.
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00:43:55.631 --> 00:44:00.430
I someone, someone must've hacked my computer, which does happen,
588
00:44:00.520 --> 00:44:02.170
it's probably the NSA.
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00:44:02.260 --> 00:44:07.210
We we all know that there is a back door in every router and that's not a
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00:44:07.211 --> 00:44:12.040
euphemism, but If it was, There would be a website for it
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00:44:14.230 --> 00:44:15.640
before Edward Snowden,
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00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:18.970
you might've thought this was just a crazy conspiracy theory,
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00:44:18.971 --> 00:44:23.830
but now we know that they can do it and they actually do so
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00:44:24.670 --> 00:44:27.520
in conclusion, I would Like to say that
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On our side of the room,
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we've won a combined total of four Walkleys and we have a nomination for one.
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00:44:34.380 --> 00:44:36.330
Whereas on this side they only have one.
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00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:40.050
Also I'm the only person who went to the trouble of wearing a suit,
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00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:46.800
just saying, I think it's nice to be nice, unlike the internet,
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00:44:47.100 --> 00:44:48.840
which is evil. And of course,
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I forget to visit the festival shop and pick up one of the marvelous details.
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00:44:53.910 --> 00:44:56.460
So thank you for your time.
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00:45:11.871 --> 00:45:13.070
I don't mean to be critical,
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00:45:13.071 --> 00:45:17.750
but I think the the credibility of Andrew's presentation was
605
00:45:18.230 --> 00:45:21.260
somewhat undermined. When he said, I have two words for you, Facebook
606
00:45:23.570 --> 00:45:26.870
check the trademarks, my friends, it's only one word,
607
00:45:26.900 --> 00:45:31.280
but still I find presentation and
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quite disturbing. Some of the things I learned,
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00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:37.970
I have to say from you guys Rick Smolan
610
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tweeting a lot, obviously.
611
00:45:40.940 --> 00:45:44.540
All I can say Rick is it's amazing what $500 can do.
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00:45:48.560 --> 00:45:53.270
Our next speaker is Rick small and now his favorite bit of the
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00:45:53.271 --> 00:45:58.130
internet is apparently a page called way back
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00:45:58.190 --> 00:46:01.160
when, the way back machine.org,
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00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:04.640
at least that's what he told me before the debate. It's,
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00:46:04.930 --> 00:46:08.270
it's this website that an hour allows you to choose a domain and a date,
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00:46:08.271 --> 00:46:08.931
and you can look at it.
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00:46:08.931 --> 00:46:13.100
It's like it's captures it in time in the internet at any point. Unfortunately,
619
00:46:13.730 --> 00:46:17.240
that's what Andrew used to get all the tweets from these guys.
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00:46:17.720 --> 00:46:21.500
So it's no longer his favorite part of the internet,
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00:46:21.740 --> 00:46:23.900
but Rick small and I'm sure you know,
622
00:46:23.930 --> 00:46:28.490
because he has done something amazing in the internet era,
623
00:46:28.491 --> 00:46:31.790
he sold 5 million copies of a thing that you kids won't remember.
624
00:46:31.791 --> 00:46:35.300
It's what was called a book. I don't know what it was,
625
00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:39.500
and it was hugely overrated, but he has sold truckloads of them.
626
00:46:40.160 --> 00:46:44.990
He's a former time life, lifetime, lifetime.
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00:46:45.680 --> 00:46:47.930
He, he was sentenced to life
628
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:51.890
with no parole and national geographic,
629
00:46:52.040 --> 00:46:56.720
but his work as a photographer he's also involved in a project, apple,
630
00:46:56.721 --> 00:46:59.540
the human face of big data.
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00:47:00.860 --> 00:47:05.840
And he's involved in a company which has been described as one of the 25
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00:47:05.841 --> 00:47:09.070
coolest companies in America. I'm going to make him well,
633
00:47:09.071 --> 00:47:12.410
we're gonna introduce him to the stage, just in one second.
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00:47:13.100 --> 00:47:15.020
Cause I do want to get back to one thing that Andrew said,
635
00:47:16.490 --> 00:47:18.770
I want to ask David when Andrew said,
636
00:47:19.340 --> 00:47:21.470
think of the worst thing that you can think Of,
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00:47:23.390 --> 00:47:24.650
you willing to tell us what it was.
638
00:47:30.640 --> 00:47:32.410
And what about you, Jonathan? What was it?
639
00:47:33.970 --> 00:47:36.130
I was mentally undressing the speaker.
640
00:47:39.340 --> 00:47:41.290
Well, he had that much fine clothes on.
641
00:47:41.291 --> 00:47:43.480
I'm sure it took time and you didn't quite get to the end of it.
642
00:47:43.570 --> 00:47:44.740
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Rick Smolan.
643
00:47:53.910 --> 00:47:56.340
So I have a slightly different take at all of this,
644
00:47:56.370 --> 00:47:59.940
which is that the internet is actually kind of old news at this point.
645
00:47:59.970 --> 00:48:01.350
It's about 20 years old.
646
00:48:01.380 --> 00:48:04.350
It's kind of hard to imagine this all started only 20 years ago.
647
00:48:04.770 --> 00:48:05.700
And you think of what would happen.
648
00:48:05.701 --> 00:48:09.030
Now if the internet was unplugged to try to get money out of your bank,
649
00:48:09.060 --> 00:48:11.550
talk to your friends, share pictures.
650
00:48:12.540 --> 00:48:14.190
I've been watching something for the last year.
651
00:48:14.250 --> 00:48:16.440
I've been working on a project called the human face of big data.
652
00:48:16.500 --> 00:48:20.910
And what's interesting to me about it is that it almost looks like we're
653
00:48:20.911 --> 00:48:24.600
watching the planet devolving a nervous system, like the internet this way,
654
00:48:24.601 --> 00:48:27.090
he needed to have microprocessors and you needed to have computers.
655
00:48:27.210 --> 00:48:28.380
Then you need to have the internet,
656
00:48:28.410 --> 00:48:32.340
the Internet's now in place to connect all these devices that are talking to
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00:48:32.341 --> 00:48:35.550
each other. So let's see if he can get my first slide up here.
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00:48:36.270 --> 00:48:38.700
What's happening right now is like the first time in human history,
659
00:48:38.910 --> 00:48:42.510
we have the devices are getting so cheap. All of our smartphones,
660
00:48:42.810 --> 00:48:46.050
all of our Google searches all of our ATM passes,
661
00:48:46.290 --> 00:48:47.940
everything we're doing now is generating dead.
662
00:48:47.950 --> 00:48:51.720
Even our bodies and all this information is being generated and collected in
663
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real time.
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00:48:52.590 --> 00:48:57.510
It seems like so many of the problems that we face as a species have to do
665
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with the fact that something happens.
666
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:02.370
And then we don't see the cause and effect until six or eight months or three
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00:49:02.371 --> 00:49:04.410
years later, suddenly for the first time,
668
00:49:04.710 --> 00:49:07.380
things happen on one side of the planet, we're able to see them immediately.
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00:49:07.650 --> 00:49:11.220
Now all these devices that we've created as a species are starting to talk to
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each other and they're starting to change their behavior without us being in the
671
00:49:14.251 --> 00:49:18.810
middle of that conversation. There's something happening right now,
672
00:49:18.811 --> 00:49:20.040
which is it's a new phrase,
673
00:49:20.160 --> 00:49:23.280
which I'm just starting to hear talking to my friends in Silicon valley,
674
00:49:23.281 --> 00:49:27.000
it's called the internet of things. So instead of us doing Google searches,
675
00:49:27.001 --> 00:49:29.370
which we're all doing and looking up things on Facebook,
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00:49:29.700 --> 00:49:33.420
these devices are now starting to exist and live on the internet.
677
00:49:33.421 --> 00:49:34.770
It sounds like Skynet.
678
00:49:34.830 --> 00:49:37.470
Maybe it sounds like I'm arguing the other side of this argument.
679
00:49:37.680 --> 00:49:40.620
Some of it sounds really scary, but some of it's actually pretty exciting.
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00:49:40.860 --> 00:49:44.340
I was going to give you a couple of examples, all of us right now.
681
00:49:44.341 --> 00:49:46.530
I don't know how, how, how you all feel about this,
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00:49:46.531 --> 00:49:48.450
but it feels like we're all a drowning in information.
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00:49:48.750 --> 00:49:51.510
The average person in Adelaide today, or time square,
684
00:49:51.511 --> 00:49:54.620
any Western city is exposed to as much information.
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One day as one of our ancestors experienced in their entire
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lifetime. It's like a straight vertical line.
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00:50:02.640 --> 00:50:06.600
This is also reminisce reminiscent of one of the videos we just saw the during
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the first day of a baby's life.
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00:50:07.831 --> 00:50:12.390
Now the internet is actually because of the devices that we're now using.
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00:50:12.961 --> 00:50:15.750
The human race is generating 70 times the information in the library of
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Congress. And I sort of love this picture,
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this idea that basically everything we're doing for better or worse,
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there's this data stream coming out behind us.
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00:50:23.671 --> 00:50:26.780
And the internet is like the layer. It's like the glue. It's the,
695
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it's the wires that conduct electricity.
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The internet is what allows all these devices to collect the data and to go back
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and forth. So here's, it can be a couple of very interesting examples of that.
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00:50:36.861 --> 00:50:41.770
You might not think of as being related to internet when the earthquake hit six
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years ago in Japan, terrible devastation.
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One of the things very few people heard about is that 15 seconds before the
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earthquake hit,
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before it hit every bullet train and every factory in Japan came to a halt.
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So the Japanese had spent half a billion dollars over 15 years putting in this
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00:50:57.731 --> 00:51:01.450
early, very expensive, really earthquake warning system. Well,
705
00:51:01.451 --> 00:51:03.730
a group of entrepreneurs looked at the internet and said,
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00:51:03.731 --> 00:51:06.070
all of our laptops have accelerometers in them.
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00:51:06.490 --> 00:51:08.230
And then if your laptop falls off the table,
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if your kids are running through the kitchen and they trip over the wire before
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00:51:11.021 --> 00:51:12.310
your laptop hits the floor,
710
00:51:12.340 --> 00:51:15.940
the laptop knows it's falling and it can actually lift the head off.
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00:51:15.941 --> 00:51:18.010
The platter would saves your data. Well now,
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00:51:18.011 --> 00:51:19.870
because all of us have internet all the time,
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24 hours a day Charlotte's internet.
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These programmers were in a program called quake. Casher the free program.
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You download it, you fire up your computer. Before you go to bed,
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00:51:29.411 --> 00:51:32.800
you go to sleep and you leave quake catcher on your, on your desktop.
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00:51:33.070 --> 00:51:36.850
And it's a free ubiquitous crowdsourced, early earthquake warning system.
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00:51:37.120 --> 00:51:42.040
So the internet is actually now providing a completely free service that costs
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half a billion dollars just a few years ago.
720
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A lot of you have been hearing perhaps about these really cool devices.
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This is one of them. This is called the up band. Nike makes one job,
722
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:55.810
but there's a million of these things. Now, this measure is how I sleep.
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00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:58.180
How many steps I take during the day.
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00:51:58.990 --> 00:52:02.800
My wife thinks this is Northern California and hippie self-indulgent self
725
00:52:02.801 --> 00:52:06.670
absorption. I have doctor friends who say, no, no,
726
00:52:06.671 --> 00:52:09.460
this is actually the way that we're going to get our hands finally,
727
00:52:09.461 --> 00:52:13.300
on the healthcare crisis, because Three years before,
728
00:52:13.300 --> 00:52:15.670
One of us is in an ambulance on the way to the hospital.
729
00:52:15.910 --> 00:52:18.340
Our body has been giving off information and data.
730
00:52:18.700 --> 00:52:21.700
And now these devices connected to our cell phones and then going out to the
731
00:52:21.701 --> 00:52:25.690
internet, allowing us to see the sort of 30,000 foot view of our life,
732
00:52:25.810 --> 00:52:29.230
like looking at patterns and saying, this is what's normal for Rick.
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00:52:29.410 --> 00:52:31.120
And this is what's normal for someone else.
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00:52:31.300 --> 00:52:33.460
And when my pattern of what's normal changes,
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00:52:33.670 --> 00:52:36.880
this device says to me or my doctor, there's something going on here.
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You should pay attention to. If we catch these things early on,
737
00:52:40.390 --> 00:52:43.480
we may be able to actually turn around this terrible wave of,
738
00:52:43.690 --> 00:52:46.600
of expense and the healthcare crisis that we're dealing with.
739
00:52:47.470 --> 00:52:50.830
I'll give you one kind of really cool example. My mother's 90 years old,
740
00:52:50.860 --> 00:52:52.480
just turned 90 about two months ago.
741
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And she started falling a few years after my dad passed away.
742
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She was living alone. She wanted to be by herself.
743
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We asked her to move with us and she wouldn't and Intel and general electric are
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00:53:02.771 --> 00:53:05.530
working on a carpet that you install in the home of your loved one.
745
00:53:05.830 --> 00:53:07.870
That measures how they walk, how fast,
746
00:53:07.871 --> 00:53:09.460
what time of the day they touch the carpet.
747
00:53:09.700 --> 00:53:12.040
If what their balance is like that to say good or bad, this is,
748
00:53:12.041 --> 00:53:13.480
this is Rick's mom's pattern.
749
00:53:13.780 --> 00:53:16.720
All that information is conveyed back to through the internet.
750
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And if suddenly my mother's balance is different.
751
00:53:20.771 --> 00:53:22.870
It can predict two days before she falls.
752
00:53:23.050 --> 00:53:26.010
These are all things that you would never think of being to the internet,
753
00:53:26.190 --> 00:53:28.380
but they're actually affecting how our children are living,
754
00:53:28.381 --> 00:53:30.420
how our parents were living and how our lives are going to be.
755
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:35.040
I'm I'm convinced that looking back in the future this year
756
00:53:35.041 --> 00:53:39.210
2013 is going to be the year that we start realizing there was a sea change that
757
00:53:39.220 --> 00:53:42.600
the human race for the first time had a real-time feedback system that the
758
00:53:42.601 --> 00:53:43.590
internet enabled.
759
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:47.310
That's allowing us to actually see these patterns in our lives. Now,
760
00:53:47.370 --> 00:53:49.740
obviously this can be a terribly abused.
761
00:53:49.980 --> 00:53:53.340
And I think what someone said before is this is a new tool and like any tool it
762
00:53:53.341 --> 00:53:55.260
can be used for good or for evil.
763
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.080
I think there's lots of concerns that all of us need to have right now about
764
00:53:58.081 --> 00:54:00.420
who's using this data. That's being collected,
765
00:54:00.421 --> 00:54:02.370
it's being conveyed through the internet.
766
00:54:03.240 --> 00:54:05.430
I'm going to show you a couple of the examples very quickly and then get off the
767
00:54:05.431 --> 00:54:07.950
stage going through this quickly.
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00:54:09.600 --> 00:54:11.700
Some of you were at here at the Adelaide film festival,
769
00:54:11.701 --> 00:54:15.240
went to the movie about Robin Davidson's camel trip tracks,
770
00:54:15.270 --> 00:54:18.600
which was the opening film here, Robin and I are working on a book right now.
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00:54:18.660 --> 00:54:20.580
And I want to show you something related to the internet.
772
00:54:20.581 --> 00:54:24.180
It's a book that flips over one side of it is pictures from the original project
773
00:54:24.181 --> 00:54:24.540
that we did.
774
00:54:24.540 --> 00:54:26.580
The other side is this book's not out and trying to sell you the book.
775
00:54:26.581 --> 00:54:29.610
I'm trying to show you a technology. There's a very cool technology,
776
00:54:29.611 --> 00:54:31.980
which is now you can take your smartphone.
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00:54:32.610 --> 00:54:35.340
You can point it at a picture from Robin's original trip.
778
00:54:35.490 --> 00:54:38.520
So the picture there is Robin and her father, the day she started her trip.
779
00:54:38.790 --> 00:54:42.420
And when you point the camera in your smartphone at this photograph,
780
00:54:42.450 --> 00:54:45.060
it reaches out into the internet and it does this.
781
00:54:53.390 --> 00:54:56.840
I'm not teaching the radio You wanna die out there or something.
782
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:03.950
So suddenly it's taking this sort of, you know, 500 year,
783
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a medium of the book and connecting it to video clips,
784
00:55:08.660 --> 00:55:09.800
to content on the internet.
785
00:55:09.801 --> 00:55:12.200
It's like Harry Potter and you touch on somebody in the newspaper and that
786
00:55:12.201 --> 00:55:13.700
person turns around and talks to you.
787
00:55:15.680 --> 00:55:17.120
I'm going to show you the two last website,
788
00:55:17.121 --> 00:55:18.680
the way back machine I mentioned before.
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So imagine if you wanted to see what the front page of the Adelaide advertiser
790
00:55:23.390 --> 00:55:27.080
looked like the morning that the planes hit the world trade towers.
791
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So it was a morning normal morning and Adelaide people waking up sports stories,
792
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political stories. If you went to the Adelaide website,
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the Adelaide advertiser website that morning,
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you could see what things look like.
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And then you type in basically www dot Adelaide,
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advertiser.com.edu.
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And you can see throughout the day how that website changed.
798
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It's like an archeological dig.
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I lost my website a couple of years ago because I was stupid enough not to have
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a backup of it.
801
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And I was totally freaked out because the company we're using to host our
802
00:55:56.571 --> 00:55:59.390
website, went out of business and suddenly we were completely dead.
803
00:55:59.660 --> 00:56:01.820
And one of my friends said go to the way back machine.
804
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So we typed in the URL of our website, sucked our website back down,
805
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and we were back in business on this immediately.
806
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So this is what you'd see if you went to CNN right now and typed in and looked
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00:56:11.841 --> 00:56:13.970
at the front page of a nine 11.
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And the last thing I'll show you is that also part of this way back machine is
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that there's this,
810
00:56:19.221 --> 00:56:22.880
there's a project now for students so that your kids can go to the internet and
811
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say are things that are worth preserving.
812
00:56:24.610 --> 00:56:27.220
What are the websites that are disappearing sort of moment by moment?
813
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So there's a project where you can go out there. So, I mean,
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I think the internet,
815
00:56:32.111 --> 00:56:34.570
I think there's lots of scary and dangerous things about it.
816
00:56:34.720 --> 00:56:37.990
I think we've gotten beyond websites. I think what we're looking at with mobile,
817
00:56:37.991 --> 00:56:40.900
all of the things you're doing now on your cell phones, all of these,
818
00:56:41.050 --> 00:56:44.140
all the ability to look for a restaurant or make a plane reservation,
819
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or look up what the word, you know, George Clooney means all of this.
820
00:56:48.251 --> 00:56:50.530
Now it's no longer going to websites.
821
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Everything's moving to mobile and the internet is like the glue underneath it.
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00:56:53.530 --> 00:56:54.610
So thank you very much.
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[Inaudible].
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Gentlemen. thank you for that.
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00:57:05.490 --> 00:57:10.350
Truly optimistic insight into the amazing technology that's available
826
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:13.410
today and which got me so terrified.
827
00:57:16.980 --> 00:57:19.080
The way back machine is fantastic.
828
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Although if you wanted to know what was on the front page of the Northern
829
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territory news on the 11th of September, 2001,
830
00:57:24.241 --> 00:57:26.040
you don't need that sort of technology.
831
00:57:26.520 --> 00:57:31.410
My favorite phrase from Rick's presentation was the average
832
00:57:31.440 --> 00:57:33.960
person today in Adelaide or times square,
833
00:57:34.230 --> 00:57:38.070
a great local material. I like it. Hold on.
834
00:57:39.210 --> 00:57:42.210
And you know, that bullet train stuff, that was pretty impressive, but you know,
835
00:57:42.240 --> 00:57:45.870
all the bullet trains came to a halt at the same time that happens in Sydney all
836
00:57:45.871 --> 00:57:48.420
the time. I don't know. That's not that hard.
837
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:53.670
But I I've got to say Rick's presentation did make me think that the only thing
838
00:57:53.671 --> 00:57:57.600
better than getting everyone in this audience to do the Harlem shake together
839
00:57:57.601 --> 00:58:00.090
would have been, if they'd all had Fitbit's on at the same time,
840
00:58:01.330 --> 00:58:05.190
counted the loss of calories as we shook away.
841
00:58:08.100 --> 00:58:12.630
Is anyone on the affirmative side wearing a Fitbit at the moment? No,
842
00:58:12.900 --> 00:58:16.890
I pick a pub. Have you got one on Andrew?
843
00:58:16.950 --> 00:58:20.910
If we were to track the data on your Fitbit, what would it have?
844
00:58:20.911 --> 00:58:22.770
Tell us that told us about what you've done today.
845
00:58:23.790 --> 00:58:28.560
Oh, well, I've walked all over bloody Adelaide today. So this week,
846
00:58:28.590 --> 00:58:32.100
this weekend has been, I've been I've had, I have a Fitbit.
847
00:58:33.900 --> 00:58:35.310
Yes. Normally, no.
848
00:58:36.140 --> 00:58:38.540
David, you're not app enabled in any way at the moment.
849
00:58:40.610 --> 00:58:44.240
Not yet, time may do it's terrible toll, but for the moment, no,
850
00:58:44.241 --> 00:58:45.950
it's all natural.
851
00:58:47.340 --> 00:58:50.300
I've only got 6,156 steps so far today.
852
00:58:50.301 --> 00:58:54.980
So I really go and have a walk after David's very interested in that
853
00:58:54.981 --> 00:58:56.480
carpet thing then. Yeah.
854
00:58:56.810 --> 00:59:00.470
Yeah. Oh, that's terrifying. Is that, is that, that exists now?
855
00:59:00.680 --> 00:59:04.940
It's not out yet. God. Imagine if I can put that in pubs.
856
00:59:04.941 --> 00:59:09.170
That would be incredible. All right.
857
00:59:09.171 --> 00:59:10.520
It's time to move on ladies and gentlemen.
858
00:59:10.521 --> 00:59:15.320
Our next speaker is part of the amazing
859
00:59:15.560 --> 00:59:19.370
world, famous comedy duo, David Mara, and Jared Henderson.
860
00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:20.900
They've been working
861
00:59:22.580 --> 00:59:26.420
for a number of years and really should take that show on the road. David,
862
00:59:26.421 --> 00:59:30.800
of course is a a national treasure of journalism and writing.
863
00:59:31.310 --> 00:59:33.620
He's an award winning author as well. I don't need to tell you that.
864
00:59:33.621 --> 00:59:36.370
Andrew's already told you about all the awards that everyone on the affirmative
865
00:59:36.470 --> 00:59:39.680
is one. But he's the author of four quarterly essays,
866
00:59:39.770 --> 00:59:41.180
which together makes one essay
867
00:59:44.470 --> 00:59:49.450
well done. That was them quarter by quarter. I like it.
868
00:59:51.320 --> 00:59:54.460
He's worked for many publications the age the monthly,
869
00:59:54.461 --> 00:59:55.690
the Sydney morning Herald.
870
00:59:55.820 --> 00:59:59.230
He was editor of the national times reporter for four quarters presented for
871
00:59:59.231 --> 01:00:02.320
media watch. But now he writes for the guardian Australia.
872
01:00:02.350 --> 01:00:06.490
So he's here because his boss calf instructed him to attend
873
01:00:07.450 --> 01:00:09.010
ladies and gentlemen, please welcome David.
874
01:00:18.550 --> 01:00:23.140
Thank you sometimes at these debates and I do well to the most weeks,
875
01:00:24.850 --> 01:00:27.370
there is a sense I have that.
876
01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:32.230
It's almost cruel to come to the microphone when the other team has
877
01:00:32.231 --> 01:00:34.420
made such a hash of their own case,
878
01:00:35.260 --> 01:00:39.670
but it would seem to be kinder and more entertaining simply to wave across the
879
01:00:39.671 --> 01:00:41.860
stage and say, look just the bill.
880
01:00:41.870 --> 01:00:46.060
See what you can do to rescue the situation so far,
881
01:00:46.061 --> 01:00:51.040
it's been pretty dire. I have never seen a team present.
882
01:00:51.041 --> 01:00:54.820
So graphically the case for the other side,
883
01:00:56.800 --> 01:01:01.570
when I sat there watching you all, jitterbugging in your seats.
884
01:01:01.660 --> 01:01:03.100
I thought to myself,
885
01:01:03.550 --> 01:01:08.440
what more graphic evidence is required of the inane stupidity of the internet,
886
01:01:08.980 --> 01:01:10.180
but you are dignified.
887
01:01:10.300 --> 01:01:15.040
An intelligent crowd should so demeanor yourselves to do that just for the
888
01:01:15.041 --> 01:01:19.960
opportunity of one day, seeing yourself on some stupid little screen,
889
01:01:20.410 --> 01:01:22.480
she's a bugging around in,
890
01:01:22.590 --> 01:01:26.350
in response to this plant here with her convenient
891
01:01:26.900 --> 01:01:29.460
convenience. I'm sorry. I'm,
892
01:01:29.461 --> 01:01:33.850
I'm a little overheated and I must've in my day we did the
893
01:01:33.851 --> 01:01:38.380
twist. We did it privately.
894
01:01:40.150 --> 01:01:44.590
We did it privately. There's no record of me twisting, and I'm glad of that,
895
01:01:45.340 --> 01:01:49.150
but all of you now stand condemned for all Time.
896
01:01:49.210 --> 01:01:53.920
I haven't done the Harlem Shake in this glorious town hall.
897
01:01:55.750 --> 01:02:00.520
How foolish, how very, very foolish. Then Rick came,
898
01:02:01.720 --> 01:02:03.790
stood here where I'm standing. Now.
899
01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:08.650
It is tragic over informed slides up on the screen here
900
01:02:09.520 --> 01:02:13.240
because he is so contemptuous of you, ladies and gentlemen,
901
01:02:13.241 --> 01:02:17.980
that he thinks you won't remember a thing, unless you've read it too.
902
01:02:18.790 --> 01:02:22.020
And fancy language, the fancy language,
903
01:02:22.050 --> 01:02:26.220
real time feedback system, Rick,
904
01:02:26.221 --> 01:02:29.480
we call it memory still works
905
01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:35.430
the way back machine Rick, we call it a library and it's
906
01:02:41.600 --> 01:02:46.520
[inaudible] And those fancy devices. You're Talking about, let me tell you some
907
01:02:50.600 --> 01:02:54.020
[inaudible] In my day, we hired magicians at kiddies parties.
908
01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:59.540
We didn't come out to listen to them and we didn't buy apps,
909
01:03:00.500 --> 01:03:04.490
but you know, the most stunning reputation of their arguments.
910
01:03:04.850 --> 01:03:08.540
And I think it's going to hold good for Paul Atlanta. Bill's attempt.
911
01:03:11.660 --> 01:03:14.720
I looked around the hall. I looked at all of you and yet,
912
01:03:15.380 --> 01:03:17.270
despite how tedious they were,
913
01:03:17.510 --> 01:03:21.740
despite how completely unconvincing they were.
914
01:03:21.830 --> 01:03:24.470
I saw none of you checking your emails.
915
01:03:25.850 --> 01:03:28.850
None of you going out on the net to find something good to read.
916
01:03:29.390 --> 01:03:33.380
You were actually paying attention to them because you knew that the alternative
917
01:03:37.490 --> 01:03:41.480
even stupider, you were trapped, listening to them,
918
01:03:41.600 --> 01:03:44.120
but you knew the alternative was even stupid.
919
01:03:49.460 --> 01:03:51.920
In 1983, I took a stand
920
01:03:54.620 --> 01:03:59.510
that was a year Fairfax introduced things called computers.
921
01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:04.460
They were in a sense typewriters attached to television screens.
922
01:04:08.840 --> 01:04:12.980
I looked at these being installed around the offices of the national times,
923
01:04:12.981 --> 01:04:17.810
which was a weekly newspaper that published in those days as an attempt to soak
924
01:04:17.811 --> 01:04:22.520
up the excess revenue of the Fairfax empire and successfully,
925
01:04:22.521 --> 01:04:27.350
I might say, and I looked at these machines and I said,
926
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:32.750
I won't be needing one of them. I was greeted with, you know,
927
01:04:33.040 --> 01:04:35.570
I was just told, I was told, I was instructed.
928
01:04:35.720 --> 01:04:39.080
I was instructed to use what I said, look,
929
01:04:39.380 --> 01:04:43.310
I'm not hostile to the new, I'll give it a try.
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01:04:43.940 --> 01:04:48.800
And I was bullied into using a computer what's anticipated because
931
01:04:48.950 --> 01:04:50.750
after Fortnite, I still thought to myself,
932
01:04:50.751 --> 01:04:52.730
I'm never going to use my typewriter again.
933
01:04:53.090 --> 01:04:57.710
And I gave my typewriter to a prisoner in a new south Wales jail who had
934
01:04:57.711 --> 01:04:59.090
ambitions to be a playwright.
935
01:05:00.050 --> 01:05:05.030
He broke out of jail about a week later and I was saddened that he left the
936
01:05:05.031 --> 01:05:07.100
typewriter behind. But anyway,
937
01:05:09.140 --> 01:05:10.070
I did the Turner.
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01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:14.690
I did to tell him that I was not going to be bullied into accepting
939
01:05:14.990 --> 01:05:18.070
further change that my way,
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01:05:18.250 --> 01:05:20.590
but I would resist where possible.
941
01:05:20.860 --> 01:05:24.730
And I have resisted to some extent, of course I email,
942
01:05:24.940 --> 01:05:29.530
but I resisted even email. I was checking before I came on stage tonight,
943
01:05:29.890 --> 01:05:34.570
I have 1,153 unread emails
944
01:05:35.650 --> 01:05:40.420
in my little phone here. And I'll never read them. That's my way of resisting.
945
01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:45.240
I have not joined Facebook. I don't want free. I know
946
01:05:47.340 --> 01:05:51.600
want to know what my family is up to. They'll tell me if they must,
947
01:05:51.810 --> 01:05:56.130
but I really don't want to know. I don't want to be sucked into Facebook.
948
01:05:56.700 --> 01:05:58.740
I don't want to be a member of LinkedIn.
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01:05:58.741 --> 01:06:01.800
I don't want people to be able to find me. I live a quiet,
950
01:06:02.010 --> 01:06:06.180
sheltered life getting on with my work and I don't need to be known.
951
01:06:06.930 --> 01:06:11.670
And of course I will have nothing to do with Twitter, Twitter.
952
01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:15.480
The dangers of Twitter, Jared Henderson's name has been mentioned it.
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01:06:15.570 --> 01:06:18.330
I don't go in for personal abuse in my work
954
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I don't. And anyway, at the Sydney writers' festival earlier this year,
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01:06:23.971 --> 01:06:27.330
I was sitting having a cup of tea, cup of tea with my friend, Mike Carlton.
956
01:06:27.390 --> 01:06:30.870
And we of course have a mutual fascination with this strange form of life called
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01:06:30.871 --> 01:06:34.530
Jared Henderson. And I said, I said to Mike,
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01:06:35.090 --> 01:06:39.330
I've worked out the word for him at last. I know what he is. He's just a crank.
959
01:06:40.020 --> 01:06:44.160
And Mike thought that that was terrific word. And then he tweeted it.
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01:06:44.220 --> 01:06:48.450
He tweeted David ma thinks Jared Henderson is a crank.
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01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:52.290
It took. And I'm glad to say,
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01:06:52.291 --> 01:06:55.590
and I think it speaks well for Jerry that he's so unconnected to Twitter that
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01:06:55.630 --> 01:06:57.600
took him two and a half months to discover this.
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01:06:59.250 --> 01:07:02.400
And I was left in having to email him to say, well,
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01:07:02.401 --> 01:07:06.000
I think it was very rude of Mike to tweet a private conversation,
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01:07:06.001 --> 01:07:08.030
but Jared [inaudible]
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01:07:11.100 --> 01:07:14.100
okay. You see, for me, it's all about time,
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01:07:15.420 --> 01:07:18.810
Rick, Jonathan, and even you Anabel,
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01:07:19.290 --> 01:07:21.960
there's all sorts of things you think the internet can do,
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01:07:21.990 --> 01:07:24.840
but it cannot buy you any more time.
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01:07:25.080 --> 01:07:27.810
Even with that fancy thing around your wrist,
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01:07:28.020 --> 01:07:31.950
which is supposed to tell the world the precise dosage of whatever needs and
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01:07:32.270 --> 01:07:34.560
patients get knocked over on an Adelaide street, though,
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01:07:34.561 --> 01:07:38.790
the chances of that are pretty slim. Okay.
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01:07:39.270 --> 01:07:42.330
I'm glad to see that Adelaide is still Adelaide.
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01:07:42.420 --> 01:07:46.380
And I'll tell you what Adelaide is. This is Adelaide, the streets,
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01:07:46.410 --> 01:07:48.450
the roads are deserted.
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01:07:49.140 --> 01:07:53.280
They extend in straight lines to the edges of the universe.
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01:07:53.310 --> 01:07:55.560
And there are no cars on them,
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01:07:56.310 --> 01:08:00.900
but still the people of Adelaide will not cross those streets
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01:08:01.200 --> 01:08:04.020
until a little green light says they can.
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01:08:04.770 --> 01:08:09.000
And I say that speaks well for the civic virtues of a town
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01:08:10.140 --> 01:08:11.610
where people have not much to do.
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01:08:14.990 --> 01:08:19.820
The point is the point is I don't want to live in a world with no book
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01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:24.890
shops and they're going, I don't want to live in a world with no newspapers,
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01:08:25.220 --> 01:08:30.110
Kath Viner over there runs the finest newspaper website in this
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01:08:30.111 --> 01:08:34.190
country. And I say that, not just because I have to,
988
01:08:35.510 --> 01:08:39.110
but frequently I'm persuaded of the truth of that proposition.
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01:08:39.410 --> 01:08:42.050
But I know in her heart what she'd like to be doing,
990
01:08:42.080 --> 01:08:45.620
she would like a set of printing presses in this country.
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01:08:46.100 --> 01:08:51.050
She would like an elegant Berlin Gotti and rolling off those presses if
992
01:08:51.051 --> 01:08:55.280
only she could, but the world has moved on because of this foul thing,
993
01:08:55.281 --> 01:09:00.230
the internet do, you know, even drug dealers are having a hard time. These days,
994
01:09:03.080 --> 01:09:07.820
hardworking drug dealers in towns and cities across Australia
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01:09:07.910 --> 01:09:08.691
out of work,
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01:09:08.691 --> 01:09:13.100
because you can just dial up your drugs these days and the nice
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01:09:13.130 --> 01:09:15.890
posty brings them to your door parently.
998
01:09:17.570 --> 01:09:22.490
It's also sadly a world in which labor party fundraisers
999
01:09:22.700 --> 01:09:23.533
are collapsing.
1000
01:09:24.170 --> 01:09:29.030
How can you have a trivia night fundraiser if everybody is just under the
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01:09:29.031 --> 01:09:33.440
table, the Third prime minister of Australia?
1002
01:09:34.870 --> 01:09:37.640
Yeah. Watson Watson. It's just, you know,
1003
01:09:37.700 --> 01:09:42.260
another part of our way of life is just disappearing
1004
01:09:43.280 --> 01:09:47.780
kitties in the backs of cars playing that stupid cat
1005
01:09:47.781 --> 01:09:52.490
game on their phones are throwing up more often on long
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01:09:52.491 --> 01:09:55.310
country journeys than kiddies have ever before.
1007
01:10:00.790 --> 01:10:05.050
It is a terrible situation. Ladies and gentlemen, there was a time,
1008
01:10:05.200 --> 01:10:07.300
a happy time a year or so.
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01:10:07.301 --> 01:10:11.380
There were that great politician in our country, deaf,
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01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:15.520
intelligent, full of full of human feeling.
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01:10:16.780 --> 01:10:17.613
Stephen Conroy
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01:10:20.020 --> 01:10:24.760
was going to clean up the net and I fought that here was a chance, you know,
1013
01:10:24.970 --> 01:10:28.090
the labor party, the labor government coming to the fore,
1014
01:10:28.240 --> 01:10:31.780
going to scrub that neck clean of dirt and filth.
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01:10:32.050 --> 01:10:35.470
So that here in Australia, we'd get a clean fee.
1016
01:10:35.500 --> 01:10:38.830
Don't you love that expression, a clean feed,
1017
01:10:39.070 --> 01:10:43.750
and yet the forces of evil plus some internal problems in his
1018
01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:49.990
party organization meant that the internet is
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01:10:49.991 --> 01:10:53.260
filthier than ever spewing up fifth.
1020
01:10:53.770 --> 01:10:55.600
Why does somebody like me,
1021
01:10:56.140 --> 01:10:58.960
somebody with all my future steal before me,
1022
01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:04.450
so resist change in this way, ladies and gentlemen,
1023
01:11:04.720 --> 01:11:09.160
it doesn't come without cost. I know the fun I'm missing.
1024
01:11:09.790 --> 01:11:13.560
I know that, but I have to keep my time for you.
1025
01:11:14.400 --> 01:11:18.990
I need every minute I can get to
1026
01:11:18.991 --> 01:11:23.910
squeeze out those sentences, which I know will delight you,
1027
01:11:23.911 --> 01:11:26.610
your highs, dancing over a page,
1028
01:11:27.140 --> 01:11:29.580
but has taken me probably three weeks to write.
1029
01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:36.600
I was a little disappointed last week when
1030
01:11:36.601 --> 01:11:41.490
that Canadian, nobody, Alice Munro got the Nobel prize, but
1031
01:11:43.110 --> 01:11:43.943
I think,
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01:11:45.240 --> 01:11:50.190
I think a rigorous program of continuing to turn
1033
01:11:50.191 --> 01:11:52.890
my back on the internet, Mike,
1034
01:11:52.980 --> 01:11:57.870
yet still you have the kind of results for literature in this
1035
01:11:57.871 --> 01:12:00.870
country that once could once again,
1036
01:12:01.110 --> 01:12:05.430
bring glory on Australia. I don't put it any higher than that.
1037
01:12:05.970 --> 01:12:08.160
I don't put it any higher than that.
1038
01:12:10.290 --> 01:12:12.270
Ladies and gentlemen, earlier tonight,
1039
01:12:12.810 --> 01:12:17.430
you will given hashtags and complex directions in order
1040
01:12:18.150 --> 01:12:22.200
to give you in order to, to, to vote on who should be,
1041
01:12:22.290 --> 01:12:26.790
who should win this debate. May I, as I leave this
1042
01:12:28.460 --> 01:12:33.360
lecture now urge you to do the old fashioned and simple thing,
1043
01:12:34.050 --> 01:12:38.880
which is to simply put up your hands now in affirmation that
1044
01:12:38.881 --> 01:12:41.730
we have even before Annabel Crabb does
1045
01:12:43.770 --> 01:12:48.330
to the argument of the negative resoundingly one,
1046
01:12:48.360 --> 01:12:49.410
this debate
1047
01:12:57.650 --> 01:13:00.260
gentlemen. Good luck.
1048
01:13:02.930 --> 01:13:03.763
Good luck.
1049
01:13:05.630 --> 01:13:09.710
The good news David is that Jonathan Kneebone actually videoed everyone,
1050
01:13:09.711 --> 01:13:13.220
putting their hands up there and it will be posted on the internet by the end of
1051
01:13:13.221 --> 01:13:16.730
tonight under the heading world's worst Harlem shake,
1052
01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:22.670
or perhaps we'll put it up under the heading Harlem jitterbug, just for you.
1053
01:13:24.500 --> 01:13:27.860
Just to remind you that at the end of the debate everyone will be called upon to
1054
01:13:27.861 --> 01:13:31.370
vote. Although if you did take down the hashtags or the numbers,
1055
01:13:31.371 --> 01:13:32.001
you can actually vote.
1056
01:13:32.001 --> 01:13:36.020
Now I know that the Lord mayor I'm voting quite furiously during David's
1057
01:13:36.890 --> 01:13:38.300
comments on Adelaide traffic.
1058
01:13:38.301 --> 01:13:42.950
So I think you're going to need to come back from behind just quietly guys.
1059
01:13:43.660 --> 01:13:44.720
And David, I've got to say,
1060
01:13:44.721 --> 01:13:47.240
I do think it was a little bit rough to blame the internet for a drop in
1061
01:13:47.241 --> 01:13:50.600
donations to the ALP. There are certainly other causes for that,
1062
01:13:50.601 --> 01:13:51.800
but what an amazing,
1063
01:13:52.280 --> 01:13:56.000
what an amazing revelation we had that David Maher has a son,
1064
01:13:56.001 --> 01:13:58.730
ladies and gentlemen, it's such a beautiful thing to have you here. Rick,
1065
01:13:59.570 --> 01:14:02.270
did you meet your father tonight for the first time?
1066
01:14:03.890 --> 01:14:08.570
Did you realize that he was an Australian man? I had no idea,
1067
01:14:09.010 --> 01:14:13.960
no, any and sisters that David hasn't told us about break this to my mom.
1068
01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:16.530
She be very surprised.
1069
01:14:19.200 --> 01:14:24.150
And what a touching story David about your donation to a prisoner
1070
01:14:24.151 --> 01:14:28.380
in the India justice Seinfeld was very grateful
1071
01:14:31.440 --> 01:14:34.830
and he falsified some affidavits using your implements.
1072
01:14:34.831 --> 01:14:39.450
So looking at a fantastic presentation don't get too worried. David,
1073
01:14:39.451 --> 01:14:44.370
about the number of unread emails. What did you say? 1,153 unread emails.
1074
01:14:45.180 --> 01:14:49.140
That's a far smaller number than the number of unread copies of your quarterly
1075
01:14:49.141 --> 01:14:53.100
essay. I don't think you need to worry.
1076
01:14:58.800 --> 01:15:00.660
It's time to, oh no, the jitterbug I,
1077
01:15:00.770 --> 01:15:03.000
then you said the twist was done discreetly.
1078
01:15:03.550 --> 01:15:08.460
Th the twist was actually illegal in Queensland until 1997.
1079
01:15:08.461 --> 01:15:09.420
That is a true fact.
1080
01:15:10.380 --> 01:15:14.310
It's time now to move on to our final speaker for the negative ladies and
1081
01:15:14.311 --> 01:15:14.980
gentlemen,
1082
01:15:14.980 --> 01:15:19.710
a woman whose daily media schedule is longer than the entire festival of
1083
01:15:19.711 --> 01:15:23.100
ideas in Adelaide. You might know her from the drum,
1084
01:15:23.430 --> 01:15:27.780
ABC radio Lateline election night the website,
1085
01:15:27.781 --> 01:15:30.210
her column in Fairfax, you may know her from everything,
1086
01:15:30.211 --> 01:15:32.940
but whatever you have seen him from, you will love her.
1087
01:15:33.750 --> 01:15:38.550
Annabel Crabb has complied with the directive to all speakers to
1088
01:15:38.551 --> 01:15:40.890
indicate what her favorite part of the internet is.
1089
01:15:41.700 --> 01:15:46.380
And she gave us this Australian
1090
01:15:47.850 --> 01:15:51.400
politics.com. Does anyone visit that site? Absolutely fantastic site.
1091
01:15:51.401 --> 01:15:54.090
And the great example of you know,
1092
01:15:54.510 --> 01:15:59.010
I suppose citizen archiving her favorite part of that is the
1093
01:15:59.011 --> 01:16:01.860
transcript of the Jeff Kennett,
1094
01:16:01.890 --> 01:16:06.660
Andrew peacock phone call which I think was recorded in the
1095
01:16:06.661 --> 01:16:11.220
days, even before the internet. But thanks to the advances in modern technology.
1096
01:16:11.221 --> 01:16:13.650
We do have an excerpt of it, which I can play for you.
1097
01:16:13.651 --> 01:16:18.450
Now it's a little bit a little bit crinkly, hard to understand.
1098
01:16:18.451 --> 01:16:21.830
So I've got a transcript for you as well, but do enjoy
1099
01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:25.320
tomorrow. I'm going to back up the hall,
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01:16:28.050 --> 01:16:32.640
hold you float the expression for shut up ladies, gentlemen,
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01:16:32.641 --> 01:16:35.820
if you've learned nothing else tonight, hold your flow.
1102
01:16:36.390 --> 01:16:40.170
Now Annabel on the off chance that there were some of you who didn't know and
1103
01:16:40.171 --> 01:16:43.470
love that clip also nominated one of my favorite parts of the internet as well.
1104
01:16:43.471 --> 01:16:44.760
Does anyone know drunk history?
1105
01:16:46.380 --> 01:16:51.300
Drunk history is an awesome website where they get people who specialize in
1106
01:16:51.301 --> 01:16:55.740
various areas of history to drink a huge amount of alcohols and then
1107
01:16:55.741 --> 01:17:00.540
explain the area of space. Okay.
1108
01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:04.320
And I thought just on the off chance that we hadn't had any videos, boy,
1109
01:17:04.350 --> 01:17:07.380
was I wrong? I'd again, edit down some of it.
1110
01:17:07.770 --> 01:17:10.370
For those of you haven't seen drunk history, here's just a taste of it.
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01:17:10.370 --> 01:17:11.084
[video audio]
1112
01:17:20.810 --> 01:17:23.840
Today we're going to talk about Ben Franklin, Ben Franklin.
1113
01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:27.200
The most Frank, the most
1114
01:17:30.410 --> 01:17:34.790
discussed Franklin adventure was the kite in the lightens.
1115
01:17:35.750 --> 01:17:36.583
I believe
1116
01:17:38.360 --> 01:17:41.750
Franklin had his son William
1117
01:17:43.820 --> 01:17:45.920
prove this point. Not himself.
1118
01:17:46.820 --> 01:17:51.470
I believe Franklin was sitting down at dinner with Franklin's nuts.
1119
01:17:51.471 --> 01:17:54.860
At this point, he says, holy, Williams.
1120
01:17:55.460 --> 01:18:00.320
There is a lightning storm happening right outside.
1121
01:18:02.270 --> 01:18:05.540
Come with me. Williams says,
1122
01:18:05.650 --> 01:18:09.590
I believe that thing in the sky is the same thing that happens when you touch
1123
01:18:09.591 --> 01:18:12.110
metal after I'm in your feet on the carpet. William's like,
1124
01:18:12.200 --> 01:18:16.040
I will come with you only because you're my dad. I don't think you're right.
1125
01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:21.590
I don't think that electricity comes from nature. I'm going to have to throw up,
1126
01:18:21.590 --> 01:18:22.423
You can film me throwing up if you want.
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01:18:25.850 --> 01:18:26.683
Now
1128
01:18:33.741 --> 01:18:37.970
that's history, ladies and gentlemen, please. Welcome Annabel Crabb.
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01:18:46.990 --> 01:18:50.800
Thank you, Julian. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen,
1130
01:18:50.830 --> 01:18:52.420
thank you for having me here tonight. You know,
1131
01:18:53.770 --> 01:18:57.730
I feel so grateful for the career that I've had the privilege of.
1132
01:19:02.470 --> 01:19:04.840
I wasn't mad. That's unkind.
1133
01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:08.770
I've seen some great things. I've I've I,
1134
01:19:08.771 --> 01:19:11.050
I watched Barack Obama be elected.
1135
01:19:11.051 --> 01:19:13.900
I saw Cathy Freeman win gold for Australia.
1136
01:19:14.140 --> 01:19:16.900
I've seen some hilariously funny things.
1137
01:19:16.990 --> 01:19:21.970
I've watched Tony Abbott be required to take his shirt off before entering
1138
01:19:21.971 --> 01:19:26.950
a ballot booth book, ballot box. True. Because he had a Tony Abbott shirt on,
1139
01:19:26.951 --> 01:19:31.600
this is in 2004. So he went in there just bare chested,
1140
01:19:31.810 --> 01:19:32.643
as you like.
1141
01:19:33.430 --> 01:19:37.720
I've seen that I've seen some very funny things and
1142
01:19:37.750 --> 01:19:42.280
nothing I think compares to the hilarity of watching
1143
01:19:42.490 --> 01:19:44.530
David Marr, trying to use a computer.
1144
01:19:46.480 --> 01:19:50.530
And I've been exposed to that over the years. And for drama,
1145
01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:55.060
hilarity and pathos, there is nothing like it in 2008,
1146
01:19:55.061 --> 01:19:57.040
shortly after I joined the Sydney morning,
1147
01:19:57.041 --> 01:20:01.660
Herald Fairfax in a brilliant innovation decided that we should be all
1148
01:20:01.661 --> 01:20:06.100
forced to use a device called the jazz jam,
1149
01:20:06.930 --> 01:20:08.700
the jazz jam.
1150
01:20:08.700 --> 01:20:13.560
It was kind of like a cross between a Palm pilot and
1151
01:20:13.770 --> 01:20:18.660
the ghost of the twinkle in the eye of the iPhone
1152
01:20:18.661 --> 01:20:21.300
with none of the convenience.
1153
01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:27.420
Needless to say, after everybody had been trained on this stubborn,
1154
01:20:27.421 --> 01:20:28.650
ridiculous device,
1155
01:20:28.860 --> 01:20:32.160
it disappeared entirely from Fairfax and was never seen again.
1156
01:20:32.161 --> 01:20:36.990
But the training sessions were advised to us
1157
01:20:36.991 --> 01:20:39.300
by means of increasingly urgent emails,
1158
01:20:39.301 --> 01:20:43.860
which most journalists in the company responded to and trotted it along to their
1159
01:20:44.160 --> 01:20:46.170
computer training on the jazz jam,
1160
01:20:46.440 --> 01:20:51.150
except for the ones that ignored those messages. And that's how is that?
1161
01:20:51.151 --> 01:20:55.710
I came to be sitting in a room in 2008 with
1162
01:20:55.740 --> 01:20:59.790
me, Paul Sheehan and David Maher,
1163
01:20:59.820 --> 01:21:04.410
the last three journalists at Fairfax to be fought into a
1164
01:21:04.411 --> 01:21:08.880
room and forced to use the judge jam ladies and gentlemen,
1165
01:21:09.090 --> 01:21:12.060
it was a two day course for the first day.
1166
01:21:12.360 --> 01:21:16.980
David Marr fretted sweated soaked
1167
01:21:17.490 --> 01:21:21.480
use the thing as a paperweight threatened to throw it out of a window
1168
01:21:22.620 --> 01:21:26.640
side and huffed. And on day two, ladies and gentlemen,
1169
01:21:26.850 --> 01:21:28.110
he did not turn
1170
01:21:31.280 --> 01:21:36.080
never in the history of organized thought.
1171
01:21:36.170 --> 01:21:40.400
Ladies and gentlemen has a debater taken the
1172
01:21:40.401 --> 01:21:44.300
lectern and demonstrated. So for a long thirdly,
1173
01:21:44.390 --> 01:21:48.080
so talented Lilly. So Melissa flawlessly,
1174
01:21:48.230 --> 01:21:51.440
his utter lack of qualification to comment. Yeah,
1175
01:21:55.430 --> 01:21:57.800
I was on tenterhooks,
1176
01:21:57.830 --> 01:22:02.300
ladies and gentlemen to see whether indeed he would move on to a
1177
01:22:02.301 --> 01:22:07.190
discussion of which was better, be a bit VHS or BETA.
1178
01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:10.010
Ladies and gentlemen,
1179
01:22:12.560 --> 01:22:14.570
we are nearing the end of this debate.
1180
01:22:14.630 --> 01:22:17.960
We are very close now to the rubber end of the plunger.
1181
01:22:18.470 --> 01:22:22.730
We have heard much, we have seen much thank you ponies.
1182
01:22:24.170 --> 01:22:24.711
And of course,
1183
01:22:24.711 --> 01:22:28.700
I understand that some of you may feel swayed by the affirmative team,
1184
01:22:28.701 --> 01:22:33.320
which consists. I'll remind you of a website editor who hates the internet,
1185
01:22:34.430 --> 01:22:35.660
an animated dog,
1186
01:22:36.980 --> 01:22:39.920
and a man who writes long hand on papyruses
1187
01:22:43.400 --> 01:22:45.080
isn't gentlemen, predictably enough.
1188
01:22:45.110 --> 01:22:50.060
They have paraded endless material before you that is nasty or inconvenient,
1189
01:22:50.061 --> 01:22:54.890
unspeakable children's toys, doing unrepeatable things to each other.
1190
01:22:55.250 --> 01:22:57.710
People who text in restaurants,
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many things that true enough,
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have all the obvious appurtenances of evil,
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but they don't it ladies and gentlemen.
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And here's why all the evil that is abroad on the
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internet could just as easily be found in a hand mirror,
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the size of humanity itself, the internet isn't evil folks.
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It's us with all that,
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that entails you don't need to convince me that the internet makes the carriage
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of nasties easier without social media.
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I would every day be in danger of forgetting what a stupid
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biased, smart and overpromoted idiot. I really am.
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And that my hair is a disgrace. Luckily,
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hundreds of helpful advisors working for free.
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Remind me every week.
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Here's an email I received just two days ago in reference to my current stint
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hosting seven 30. I read it in its entirety.
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Oh dear. Whoever did your makeup last night,
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obviously doesn't like you,
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did you sleep with her husband?
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You looked like a two bit
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ready for a bit of business on Handley street.
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And I thought you were such a nice girl.
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Don't you dare come into my house. Looking like that. Again.
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Regards Derek Mitchell,
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Derek. Wow. I can't believe you're single.
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You are single aren't you and you sound adorable. Ladies.
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I'm sensing.
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Derek is an Adelaide man run don't walk would be my advice.
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Now, 20 years ago,
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7:30 PM might have found Derek at home in
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his preferred sexual position,
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man on couch woman in magazine.
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Yeah. Where upon catching a glimpse of a TV presenter,
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he thought excessively made up.
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He might've muttered a critique to himself and there,
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the matter might have ended these days,
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Derek can pop online and let that present a knows what he,
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nobody thinks in seconds.
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Flat internet allows people to be awful to each other
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in real time.
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It is like an air trumpet to the world.
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Does that make it evil?
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Does that make the internet evil ladies and gentlemen,
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that evil has always been abroad.
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It just changes its interface.
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And we should not let that confuse us this evening.
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We used to have crusades,
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the KU Klux Klan and witch burnings.
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Now we have the Kardashians
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cyberstalking and in app purchases,
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six of one,
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half a dozen of tother now fabulously human way.
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We moan about the crappy things. The internet inflicts on us,
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forgetting again in our fabulously human way. A couple of things,
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one that it's always an option to walk away from the desk
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and to that for every troll attack or YouTube loop
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01:26:45.081 --> 01:26:47.060
of Kevin Rudd, eating his own ear wax.
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01:26:47.090 --> 01:26:51.830
There is a 75 year old woman in Perth who finds the girls.
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01:26:51.831 --> 01:26:55.310
She went to school within Glasgow. Thanks to Facebook.
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01:26:55.760 --> 01:26:59.690
There is a gay kid in a rural town. He, 30 years ago,
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might've considered suicide, but now knows he's not alone.
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01:27:04.040 --> 01:27:07.130
There is a silent injustice that isn't silent anymore.
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There is a ridiculous booty wiggle that starts with a couple of kids in Harlem
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and rolls like a goofy snowball across the globe until it reaches Belle
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Vista Queensland signifying nothing,
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nothing at all beyond the glorious exuberant,
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pointlessness of being alive. And so ladies and gentlemen,
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we have the negative say to you tonight, choose life
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humanity in all its ragged imperfection,
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choose life,
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knowing it to be full of pain and petty viciousness
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and petty or authority figures.
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And humanity's brute in humanity to itself and things
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that make you sit in traffic, wanting to punch someone,
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choose life because you only have one chance to find out whether all of that
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crappy depressing stuff is going to be outweighed by love,
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surprise,
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and the innocent delight of finding out that there are other people in the
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world who are interested in harpsichords
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choose life for the joy of listening to Andrew
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01:28:26.421 --> 01:28:31.230
peacock and Jeffrey Kennet cussing at each other at Beulah,
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currently on a car phone back when it was possible to eavesdrop
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on mobile phones, chose life, ladies and gentlemen,
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01:28:42.080 --> 01:28:44.810
the internet is vast beyond imagination,
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full of toxic swamps and islands of pure joy.
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01:28:50.390 --> 01:28:54.440
Horrible, fabulous, laugh out loud. Funny.
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And then it's now called an intricate cartography.
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We find for all of its elaborate confections,
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something approaching a truth about ourselves evil.
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01:29:07.350 --> 01:29:10.410
Oh my goodness. No ladies and gentlemen, it's us.
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And we have the negative say to you. Welcome
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gentlemen.
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Concludes the debate.
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It is now time for you to vote ladies and gentlemen I'll hopefully be able to
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01:29:34.341 --> 01:29:38.180
bring up the technical information. Oh,
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01:29:38.181 --> 01:29:39.920
this is fantastic. You know?
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01:29:43.610 --> 01:29:47.240
Can you give him a hug for the affirmative?
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David ma has ballot boxes up the front should only take a couple of
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hours and we're using the Senate system.
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01:29:55.800 --> 01:30:00.500
So please think carefully before you go onto the line or you can use your
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smartphone using the information on your screen now to vote.
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01:30:05.270 --> 01:30:10.070
Yes. the internet is evil. You, you, what do you do?
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[inaudible] You text the keyword, Vote Yes to 0429883481.
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01:30:21.620 --> 01:30:26.600
Or you text vote no to the same number or you can tweak the key word.
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01:30:26.780 --> 01:30:30.800
Oh, this is an advance.
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01:30:32.870 --> 01:30:37.670
It'll work. Trust me. That's better than your argument. Yeah,
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that's amazing. I'm forced to turn my phone off before this.
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And then you asked to switch it to silent. Not at all.
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I'm not sure how long it takes. We'll give you a couple of minutes.
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01:30:48.050 --> 01:30:52.430
Flight Annabel. I do understand these guys voting for themselves.
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Amazing.
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I do understand what you're saying about the sort of vile that you can get back
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over the internet. Stu stupid bias, self promoting idiot.
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I get that all the time. Not so much the stuff about the hair I've got to say,
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but still and I have so many
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wonderful moments. My favorite was actually a few words,
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which I want to repeat only so that we get to see them again from our wonderful
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Oz land interpreters. Let's have a round of applause for them again.
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Let's go back.
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[inaudible] It was that amazing.
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You mean Jovana bell and Paul Shane and David Marr all in the same room and
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David,
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the little bit upset at what he was being asked to learn.
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01:31:37.760 --> 01:31:41.690
And if I quote correctly, I believe that he fretted,
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01:31:42.470 --> 01:31:46.970
he sweated he salt and he sighed and he
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01:31:46.971 --> 01:31:50.900
huffed like the gentleman Australia's leading David Marr impersonator.
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01:31:56.720 --> 01:32:01.060
Just point out for the record that about three days later,
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Fairfax abandoned that technology is completely useless.
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01:32:06.310 --> 01:32:09.250
I was at the cutting edge of good sense,
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whereas the junkies who went into that room and anyway, sorry.
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01:32:16.670 --> 01:32:18.780
I thought it was amazing when Annabel mentioned the jazz jam,
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that there was actually something that was more redundant than Fairfax itself.
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That was truly amazing.
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01:32:25.980 --> 01:32:30.960
And I noted that calf while David was speaking clearly he's not
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01:32:31.080 --> 01:32:34.650
going to make you attend any formal training from any editing point.
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David's like, you'll be all right from here on ed.
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01:32:37.590 --> 01:32:40.950
We have something called [inaudible]. It was a nickname.
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01:32:42.660 --> 01:32:45.000
Somebody persuaded Fairfax to pay a huge sum of money.
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01:32:45.060 --> 01:32:49.680
Just been a fortune was spent training everybody. And then it was abandoned.
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01:32:50.280 --> 01:32:53.070
That's the story of Fairfax. I think there's a vast pile of them.
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01:32:53.071 --> 01:32:54.600
That's now an artificial reef.
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01:32:55.110 --> 01:32:57.840
That's right. Yes. Yeah. The Harlem jazz jam.
1333
01:32:58.140 --> 01:33:01.410
It's going crazy on the way ladies and gentlemen, I hope.
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01:33:01.800 --> 01:33:06.540
If we've been able to tabulate the results, they'll be flicked up on the screen.
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01:33:06.541 --> 01:33:09.300
I'm not sure if we bought them. Are we able to do it
1336
01:33:10.920 --> 01:33:14.400
is the no team. Let's have a big round of applause,
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01:33:14.401 --> 01:33:15.780
ladies and gentlemen for the negative
1338
01:33:25.290 --> 01:33:27.720
partner with a challenge, correct me if I'm.
1339
01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:30.900
Wrong, but that's the gist. There are 91 people in this room.
1340
01:33:32.400 --> 01:33:37.230
Can we have a show of hands please? Thanks the team one.
1341
01:33:37.650 --> 01:33:41.910
Come on. Show of hands. Oh, who thinks we lost?
1342
01:33:42.630 --> 01:33:43.770
Yay. Oh.
1343
01:33:46.350 --> 01:33:48.120
And based on the number of people who voted twice,
1344
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I'd say half the audience is from the labor party this evening.
1345
01:33:52.050 --> 01:33:52.830
Thank you very much.
1346
01:33:52.830 --> 01:33:55.650
Let's have a big round of applause for all our speakers at the debate tonight.
1347
01:34:02.340 --> 01:34:06.480
Thank you very much was fun.
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